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Fordham just wasn’t meant to ever have a good year!

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RamStock wrote: 2 years ago Fordham just wasn’t meant to ever have a good year!

Huge loss for Fordham.
He was the leading scorer for FIU in 20-21 and one of the better players in C-USA.
After this season would have 1-year eligibility left, wouldn't be surprised if he transfers close to home in NC.
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Jersey77 wrote: 2 years ago
RamStock wrote: 2 years ago Fordham just wasn’t meant to ever have a good year!

Huge loss for Fordham.
He was the leading scorer for FIU in 20-21 and one of the better players in C-USA.
After this season would have 1-year eligibility left, wouldn't be surprised if he transfers close to home in NC.
If he plays.... hopefully he's able to resolve his issues.
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Unbelievable
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Unbelievable? It's literally the most believable thing ever. Fordham is going to Fordham. Then, now, forever
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"Analyzing the Big 6: Who Can Win The A10?''
https://www.a10talk.com/analyzing-the-b ... n-the-a10/

"Rhody is an interesting team. They took Davidson to the wire on the road before collapsing in the last minute of that game, but have come back to beat Saint Joe’s and UMass pretty easily, although those two teams are at the bottom half of the conference. I’m not sure what it is from me. The team is top 100 on offense and defense, is #2 in 2pt defense, is top 25 in scoring from 2, and top 20 in both effective offense and defense. I think right now it is the lack of wins against the other Big 6 teams, as Rhode Island has lost the only game they have played against them (Davidson). They play La Salle, GW, and Richmond until they finally play another good team in Dayton. The Rams are definitely in my top teams list, but I have to wait until they play/win against another good team until I can believe they can win the conference. Still one of the favorites, though."
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Pretty fair analysis I think. It's so hard to get a real feel for where we're at right now since we haven't really beaten anybody.
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All of our O/D metrics are the best they’ve been under Cox’s tenure. Quality of opponent obviously effects that but we have played better on both sides of the ball vs previous Cox teams.
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Yeah I think the rotation of 9 is solid , we will have a chance in Brooklyn if we play well
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reef wrote: 2 years ago Yeah I think the rotation of 9 is solid , we will have a chance in Brooklyn if we play well
Reef,
I think we will have an even better chance in Washington DC if we play well :)

And what a great opportunity for our Coaches and players for those from the DMV. And players we are recruiting from the DMV. Could be we win the A10 Tournament this March in a very fan friendly environment that helps us achieve that NCAA Auto Bid!!! Think Big!

https://atlantic10.com/sports/2019/8/28/211810221.aspx
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Davidson with 34 votes in the AP poll. They are getting very close to becoming a top 25 team...
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Twan now has the highest eFG% in the league. 5 of our 7 guys on the right side of this graph. Ish clearly struggling the most.

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bigappleram wrote: 2 years ago Twan now has the highest eFG% in the league. 5 of our 7 guys on the right side of this graph. Ish clearly struggling the most.

Twan only getting 20 mpg should be a crime
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RoadyJay wrote: 2 years ago
bigappleram wrote: 2 years ago Twan now has the highest eFG% in the league. 5 of our 7 guys on the right side of this graph. Ish clearly struggling the most.

Twan only getting 20 mpg should be a crime
Seeing all these stats on how great Walker is just getting me angry since we may have the only coach in the country who plays him like this...
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steveystuds06 wrote: 2 years ago
RoadyJay wrote: 2 years ago
bigappleram wrote: 2 years ago Twan now has the highest eFG% in the league. 5 of our 7 guys on the right side of this graph. Ish clearly struggling the most.

Twan only getting 20 mpg should be a crime
Seeing all these stats on how great Walker is just getting me angry since we may have the only coach in the country who plays him like this...
Technically we have the only coach in the country who plays him at all!
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KingstonLane wrote: 2 years ago
steveystuds06 wrote: 2 years ago
RoadyJay wrote: 2 years ago

Twan only getting 20 mpg should be a crime
Seeing all these stats on how great Walker is is just getting me angry since we may have the only coach in the country who plays him like this...
Technically we have the only coach in the country who plays him at all!
I truly didn't think I would need to explain what I meant, but I'm saying I don't think any coach in the country would play Walker like this if they were the coach of our team...
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Maybe Walker wasn't 100% recovered from covid, the reason he didn't play much against UMass?

If so, that explains it.

If not, then it's all on Cox.
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Has this been brought up by the press recently? As in a direct question to Cox?
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rambone 78 wrote: 2 years ago Maybe Walker wasn't 100% recovered from covid, the reason he didn't play much against UMass?

If so, that explains it.

If not, then it's all on Cox.
What about all the other games?
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I don’t have the advanced defensive metrics of walker vs the twins, would be very interested to see that.

Other then potentially the above, only justification I can think of is purely keeping the Twins happy.
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KingstonLane wrote: 2 years ago I don’t have the advanced defensive metrics of walker vs the twins, would be very interested to see that.

Other then potentially the above, only justification I can think of is purely keeping the Twins happy.
The twins deserved to play a lot more than Walker last game.

They both were excellent.
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URI moves into 3rd place in the A10.
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Rhodymob05 wrote: 2 years ago URI moves into 3rd place in the A10.
Way too early for me to get excited.
We need to beat some of the upper tier A10 teams first.
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Jersey77 wrote: 2 years ago
Rhodymob05 wrote: 2 years ago URI moves into 3rd place in the A10.
Way too early for me to get excited.
We need to beat some of the upper tier A10 teams first.
……..yes, but just in case, I am packing a go bag, just in case the jump on the train is coming our way……toot toot……
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Got a kick out of this, but I guess anything is possible.

Just posted this for "Shits and Giggles."

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Keep dreaming Mooney

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It’s pretty inexcusable for those players to go to zero NCAAs.

There’s no way he doesn’t get canned this season if they don’t make the tourney.
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Rhody15 wrote: 2 years ago It’s pretty inexcusable for those players to go to zero NCAAs.

There’s no way he doesn’t get canned this season if they don’t make the tourney.
Unfortunately for them the 2020 NCAAT was canceled.
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UMass knocks off SLU and Dayton beats the Bonnies this week.

I wouldn’t be surprised if every A-10 team finishing right around .500 with 1 or 2 outliers at the top or bottom.
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Jersey77 wrote: 2 years ago Got a kick out of this, but I guess anything is possible.

Just posted this for "Shits and Giggles."

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;)

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Rhodymob05 wrote: 2 years ago ;)

Being the third closest to the bubble from the A10 equates to, what, the 79th team out?

:lol: :lol:
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Rhody15 wrote: 2 years ago
Rhodymob05 wrote: 2 years ago ;)

Being the third closest to the bubble from the A10 equates to, what, the 79th team out?

:lol: :lol:
Again, too early for me to pay attention to NET rankings.

Besides doubtful we would get an at-large bid anyway.
Only chance is to win the A10T.
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Rhodymob05 wrote: 2 years ago ;)


Good find RhodyMob05,

There are 5 A10 Teams without a win vs Q1/Q2 Teams and these are the 5 worst Strength of Schedule Teams:


SOS/Team/Record vs Q1/Q2
  • 282 URI (0-2)
  • 312 Fordham (0-3)
  • 302 Duquesne (0-3)
  • 288 George Washington (0-4)
  • 256 LaSalle (0-5)
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Rhodymob05 wrote: 2 years ago ;)

Was this supposed to make us feel better? Cause now I am just more depressed. :D

The one metric that really matters doesn't like us, and this other metric that doesn't matter also doesn't like us but it likes us a little more then the one that does matter.

Jokes aside, either way, we probably have to win at least the next 7 or 8 in a row for any of this to start to matter.
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Another informal metric concerning our only bad losses (Tulsa/FGCU), is those teams records, which aren't THAT bad. FGCU :12-7 Tulsa 6-10 (but have lost a handful by 2-3 points. Both on the road/neutral. Its Friday, I'm positive today.
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The youth of Dayton and VCU is already making a huge impact this season.
Should propel them to lead the A10 for the future.

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Certainly, deserving of all A10 PG honors, if he continues at this rate.
Imagine if Perkins didn't get injured.

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Wow 10.2 assists per game that kid is a player !!
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ramster wrote: 2 years ago
Rhodymob05 wrote: 2 years ago ;)


Good find RhodyMob05,

There are 5 A10 Teams without a win vs Q1/Q2 Teams and these are the 5 worst Strength of Schedule Teams:


SOS/Team/Record vs Q1/Q2
  • 282 URI (0-2)
  • 312 Fordham (0-3)
  • 302 Duquesne (0-3)
  • 288 George Washington (0-4)
  • 256 LaSalle (0-5)
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We are now officially a bottom feeder, and have no right to be critical of the other bottom feeders.

I mean, we lost to Fordham, who was without their second best [or maybe their best] player.

Keep Cox, and we will be bottom feeders for a while to come.

Even his recruiting is fair game now....it's crap.

If Thorr can't see that, then this program is toast.
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St Bonaventure upsets St Louis in St Louis. SLU was favored by 5.5 and had won 6 straight A10 games
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Friday February 18
Compares rankings that SpookyDog lists for every URI Game and Opponent:
NET
RPI
KenPom
BPI
Sagarin
Barttovick

Unfortunately, the NET, which the NCAA developed and uses for At-Large Selection and Seeding has the worst rankings for A10 candidates with Dayton the best at only 55, St. Louis at 56.

KenPom, BPI, Sagarin and Barttovik all have Dayton and St Louis ranked 50 and better but the NET is hurting the A10 by comparison.

Davidson, VCU and St Bonaventure all wish the RPI was still used based on current Rankings.

Remaining games for all 14 teams included home and away.


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ramster wrote: 2 years ago Friday February 18
Compares rankings that SpookyDog lists for every URI Game and Opponent:
NET
RPI
KenPom
BPI
Sagarin
Barttovick

Unfortunately, the NET, which the NCAA developed and uses for At-Large Selection and Seeding has the worst rankings for A10 candidates with Dayton the best at only 55, St. Louis at 56.

KenPom, BPI, Sagarin and Barttovik all have Dayton and St Louis ranked 50 and better but the NET is hurting the A10 by comparison.

Davidson, VCU and St Bonaventure all wish the RPI was still used based on current Rankings.

Remaining games for all 14 teams included home and away.



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No team with a NET above 50 that isn't a P5 is getting in.

It comes down to Q1 wins and Q3/Q4 losses.

Dayton is 3-2 Q1, but has 3 Q4 losses. No way do they get in.
St Louis is 1-3 Q1, but has 2 Q3 losses. Nope.
Davidson is the only one that has an outside chance being 2-1 in Q1, but 0 Q3/Q4 losses.

They better hope we don't fall below 150 and count as a Q3, because that would probably end their run as well.
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Blue Man wrote: 2 years ago
ramster wrote: 2 years ago Friday February 18
Compares rankings that SpookyDog lists for every URI Game and Opponent:
NET
RPI
KenPom
BPI
Sagarin
Barttovick

Unfortunately, the NET, which the NCAA developed and uses for At-Large Selection and Seeding has the worst rankings for A10 candidates with Dayton the best at only 55, St. Louis at 56.

KenPom, BPI, Sagarin and Barttovik all have Dayton and St Louis ranked 50 and better but the NET is hurting the A10 by comparison.

Davidson, VCU and St Bonaventure all wish the RPI was still used based on current Rankings.

Remaining games for all 14 teams included home and away.



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No team with a NET above 50 that isn't a P5 is getting in.

It comes down to Q1 wins and Q3/Q4 losses.

Dayton is 3-2 Q1, but has 3 Q4 losses. No way do they get in.
St Louis is 1-3 Q1, but has 2 Q3 losses. Nope.
Davidson is the only one that has an outside chance being 2-1 in Q1, but 0 Q3/Q4 losses.

They better hope we don't fall below 150 and count as a Q3, because that would probably end their run as well.
I still can't wrap my head around Dayton losing to UMass Lowell, Austin Peay and Lipscomb by 19 then immediately beat Miami by 16, Kansas and then top it off by winning that tournament over Belmont all in three days.

Makes no sense. Never seen anything like it.
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PeterRamTime wrote: 2 years ago
Blue Man wrote: 2 years ago
ramster wrote: 2 years ago Friday February 18
Compares rankings that SpookyDog lists for every URI Game and Opponent:
NET
RPI
KenPom
BPI
Sagarin
Barttovick

Unfortunately, the NET, which the NCAA developed and uses for At-Large Selection and Seeding has the worst rankings for A10 candidates with Dayton the best at only 55, St. Louis at 56.

KenPom, BPI, Sagarin and Barttovik all have Dayton and St Louis ranked 50 and better but the NET is hurting the A10 by comparison.

Davidson, VCU and St Bonaventure all wish the RPI was still used based on current Rankings.

Remaining games for all 14 teams included home and away.



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No team with a NET above 50 that isn't a P5 is getting in.

It comes down to Q1 wins and Q3/Q4 losses.

Dayton is 3-2 Q1, but has 3 Q4 losses. No way do they get in.
St Louis is 1-3 Q1, but has 2 Q3 losses. Nope.
Davidson is the only one that has an outside chance being 2-1 in Q1, but 0 Q3/Q4 losses.

They better hope we don't fall below 150 and count as a Q3, because that would probably end their run as well.
I still can't wrap my head around Dayton losing to UMass Lowell, Austin Peay and Lipscomb by 19 then immediately beat Miami by 16, Kansas and then top it off by winning that tournament over Belmont all in three days.

Makes no sense. Never seen anything like it.
College basketball is really unforgiving in that sense. No room for nights off as a mid major. Win 1 or 2 of those games and they’re comfortably in the tournament right now
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STC wrote: 2 years ago St. Louis odds of winning the A10 Regular Season Crown took a fairly big hit in Vegas following the Perkins injury news. St. Louis had the 4th best odds but have now been dropped to 7th.

FWIW, this is how Vegas see's the A10 Regular Season going:

St. Bona -125
Richmond +280
VCU +950
Davidson +1400
Dayton +1700
Rhode Island +1700
Saint Louis +3500
George Mason +4200
Duquesne +4200
UMass +5000
GWU +13000
LaSalle +21000
St. Joe's +37000
Fordham +50000
With a win tomorrow, Davidson +1400 will cash.
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STC wrote: 2 years ago
STC wrote: 2 years ago St. Louis odds of winning the A10 Regular Season Crown took a fairly big hit in Vegas following the Perkins injury news. St. Louis had the 4th best odds but have now been dropped to 7th.

FWIW, this is how Vegas see's the A10 Regular Season going:

St. Bona -125
Richmond +280
VCU +950
Davidson +1400
Dayton +1700
Rhode Island +1700
Saint Louis +3500
George Mason +4200
Duquesne +4200
UMass +5000
GWU +13000
LaSalle +21000
St. Joe's +37000
Fordham +50000
With a win tomorrow, Davidson +1400 will cash.
Wow STC. How much per dollar is the win?
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-125 implies 56% chance of winning. What happened, schmidt???