KeaneyBlue - The URI Basketball Forum

Posted: **Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:25 pm**

Obadiah wrote: ↑3 months ago Another twist to the NIL saga. I never heard of Campus Ink before this article. Interesting that if Campus Ink signs a contract with a school all their athletes can have shot at making money. "When Campus Ink adds a school, each athlete — from football to rowing — can sign a contract to sell merchandise through the school’s NIL Store. Because every NIL item is made-to-order, Campus Ink doesn’t lose any money by offering shirts for a third-string linebacker or backup soccer goalie." And the Campus Ink revenue payout to the athlete -averaging about 20% - is higher than what Adidas, Nike, Under Armour offer. Obviously, the bigger the school and the bigger the athlete's reputation will dictate the biggest revenue payout. It will be interesting to see how the competition responds to Campus Ink actions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... s-ink-nil/

I've seen other schools have an NIL store where you can get custom clothes. Wonder how long it will take to reach us

Posted: **Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:29 pm**

theblueram wrote: ↑3 months ago Sure, players should get a piece of their jersey sales. But the deals need to be structured on performance.

Umm, they would be? Better performance leads to more jerseys sold, leads to players being paid on production.

That's literally something the NCAA could have allowed decades ago, but didn't want to give the players anything. The NCAA is now reaping the damage from that shortsightedness

Posted: **Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:32 pm**

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago It’s the changing landscape getting these coaches frustrated with college hoops

Let’s get DH another natty and get him an NBA job away from NIL and the portal !

The changing landscape of players having money and options, just like coaches always had? Oh, the horror!

Posted: **Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:49 pm**

RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑3 months ago
Obadiah wrote: ↑3 months ago Another twist to the NIL saga. I never heard of Campus Ink before this article. Interesting that if Campus Ink signs a contract with a school all their athletes can have shot at making money. "When Campus Ink adds a school, each athlete — from football to rowing — can sign a contract to sell merchandise through the school’s NIL Store. Because every NIL item is made-to-order, Campus Ink doesn’t lose any money by offering shirts for a third-string linebacker or backup soccer goalie." And the Campus Ink revenue payout to the athlete -averaging about 20% - is higher than what Adidas, Nike, Under Armour offer. Obviously, the bigger the school and the bigger the athlete's reputation will dictate the biggest revenue payout. It will be interesting to see how the competition responds to Campus Ink actions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... s-ink-nil/
I've seen other schools have an NIL store where you can get custom clothes. Wonder how long it will take to reach us

Probably right before it ceases to be a factor?

Posted: **Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:10 pm**

Logically players should have always received compensation for jersey sales. And being in video games. That’s was just blatant abuse of their actual NIL.

Ed O’bannon’s suit against EA and Chris Webber railing about all the kids walking around with UM #4 jerseys was the canary in the coal mine of this entire issue. Ncaa turned a blind eye towards it and now it’s a mess they can no longer control.

Posted: **Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:05 pm**

Yep, not only did they not receive $$ for those jerseys...if they ever autographed and sold one, they were screwed...

Posted: **Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:14 pm**

Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. The NCAA could have kept most of its power and money if they would have instituted common sense changes. Once they lost in court everyone saw the emperor had no clothes and now the NCAA is mostly irrelevant and living on borrowed time

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:42 pm**

Has anyone seen this
A National Labor Relations Board regional official ruled Monday that Dartmouth basketball players are employees of the school, clearing the way for an election that would create the first-ever labor union for NCAA athletes.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:44 pm**

rjv wrote: ↑3 months ago Has anyone seen this
A National Labor Relations Board regional official ruled Monday that Dartmouth basketball players are employees of the school, clearing the way for an election that would create the first-ever labor union for NCAA athletes.

College athletes want to be treated like professionals but want to be able to leave their school every single year and become immediately eligible lol the hypocrisy is incredible.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:50 pm**

rjv wrote: ↑3 months ago Has anyone seen this
A National Labor Relations Board regional official ruled Monday that Dartmouth basketball players are employees of the school, clearing the way for an election that would create the first-ever labor union for NCAA athletes.

I haven’t seen anything, RJV.

Where did you see it ?

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:56 pm**

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:06 pm**

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago
rjv wrote: ↑3 months ago Has anyone seen this
A National Labor Relations Board regional official ruled Monday that Dartmouth basketball players are employees of the school, clearing the way for an election that would create the first-ever labor union for NCAA athletes.
College athletes want to be treated like professionals but want to be able to leave their school every single year and become immediately eligible lol the hypocrisy is incredible.

Huh? I'm thinking I could leave my employer any and every single year that another would pay me.
If I didn't think I'd be treated like a professional, I wouldn't go. And, if 'hypocrisy' means, realizing who's in the driver's seat, I agree with you.

Maybe they need to start working in NIL escalator clauses with RCA's?

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:06 pm**

rjv wrote: ↑3 months agoESPN

Excellent catch, RJV.

Looks like there’s a good story on Yahoo Sports. Says the Dartmouth players made an announcement - after the ruling - to start an Ivy League Players Association.

Also says Dartmouth intends to appeal the NLRB ruling.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:12 pm**

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago
Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago
rjv wrote: ↑3 months ago Has anyone seen this
A National Labor Relations Board regional official ruled Monday that Dartmouth basketball players are employees of the school, clearing the way for an election that would create the first-ever labor union for NCAA athletes.
College athletes want to be treated like professionals but want to be able to leave their school every single year and become immediately eligible lol the hypocrisy is incredible.
Huh? I'm thinking I could leave my employer any and every single year that another would pay me.
If I didn't think I'd be treated like a professional, I wouldn't go. And, if 'hypocrisy' means, realizing who's in the driver's seat, I agree with you.

Maybe they need to start working in NIL escalator clauses with RCA's?

Professional athletes.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:16 pm**

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago
NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago
Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago

College athletes want to be treated like professionals but want to be able to leave their school every single year and become immediately eligible lol the hypocrisy is incredible.
Huh? I'm thinking I could leave my employer any and every single year that another would pay me.
If I didn't think I'd be treated like a professional, I wouldn't go. And, if 'hypocrisy' means, realizing who's in the driver's seat, I agree with you.

Maybe they need to start working in NIL escalator clauses with RCA's?
Professional athletes.

So, maybe knock down that fake "NIL is not to be used as a recruiting inducement" nonsense, and put #s of years to the contracts?

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:17 pm**

Hyposrisy? Top professional athletes have contracts with guarantees and insurance and a players union and pensions. I'm sure players would love to have those things and wouldn't worry about being able to leave every single year anymore.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:24 pm**

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... oops-union

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:28 pm**

RIFan wrote: ↑3 months ago https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... oops-union

TL;DR: "The model has been crumbling"

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:30 pm**

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago
rjv wrote: ↑3 months agoESPN
Excellent catch, RJV.

Looks like there’s a good story on Yahoo Sports. Says the Dartmouth players made an announcement - after the ruling - to start an Ivy League Players Association.

Also says Dartmouth intends to appeal the NLRB ruling.

Reading up on this decision further…

It seems a key for the NLRB ruling today is the fact that Dartmouth is a private institution versus a state/public university that is subject to state labor laws. Hence, since Dartmouth is a private institution, it falls under the jurisdiction of the NLRB.

So, can this ruling result in a system where college athletes at private universities are considered employees while those at public institutions aren’t ?

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:42 pm**

adam914 wrote: ↑3 months ago Hyposrisy? Top professional athletes have contracts with guarantees and insurance and a players union and pensions. I'm sure players would love to have those things and wouldn't worry about being able to leave every single year anymore.

NIL isn’t based on performance or injuries, so I’m like 99.9% sure if these kids sign massive deals, they get the money regardless of how they perform or if they get hurt.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:48 pm**

Dartmouth is 5-14. The best tweet I saw said if the players are all employees then they should all be fired.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:50 pm**

Still trying to figure out how their “acedemic scholarship” plays a role here now. That’s hundreds of thousands of dollars at times.

Posted: **Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:17 pm**

RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑3 months ago
theblueram wrote: ↑3 months ago Sure, players should get a piece of their jersey sales. But the deals need to be structured on performance.
Umm, they would be? Better performance leads to more jerseys sold, leads to players being paid on production.

That's literally something the NCAA could have allowed decades ago, but didn't want to give the players anything. The NCAA is now reaping the damage from that shortsightedness

Unless your name is Arch Manning.

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:21 am**

Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑3 months ago Still trying to figure out how their “acedemic scholarship” plays a role here now. That’s hundreds of thousands of dollars at times.

Make it taxable income

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:39 am**

What make this beyond confusing is that the Ivy league does not give out scholarships they give grants based on financial need. There are no academic scholarships. So I guess if you are an employee you get all the benefits of an employee and get paid to play. How will that work?

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:28 pm**

I assume employees and their families get free or reduced tuition. So do they get rid of athletic scholarships and just pay them?

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:16 pm**

RIFan wrote: ↑3 months ago I assume employees and their families get free or reduced tuition. So do they get rid of athletic scholarships and just pay them?

RIFan, the Ivy League schools don’t offer athletic scholly’s as far as I know. Instead the schools provide financial based aid.

I wonder if that approach will change in any way if Dartmouth is unsuccessful in their expected appeal of the NLRB ruling (Dartmouth has 10 days to appeal).

Interestingly, there is another complaint before the NLRB between USC, athletes and social media rules instituted by the school.

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:22 pm**

bigappleram wrote: ↑3 months ago Dartmouth is 5-14. The best tweet I saw said if the players are all employees then they should all be fired.

I don't tweet but that is awesome. Love it. Thanks for sharing.

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:34 pm**

Pitino wants a salary cap now ! Adapt to the rules Ricky it is what it is !

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:13 pm**

Seems like the rules are now, there are no rules!

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:45 pm**

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago Pitino wants a salary cap now ! Adapt to the rules Ricky it is what it is !

I don't hate the idea of a cap...caps and contracts. If they're gonna be treated like pros, make 'em sign multi year deals.
Pro teams have more stability than college teams these days...

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:50 pm**

Remember when a scholarship was the golden ticket to a college degree? Maybe the NBA needs a farm league like baseball.

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:58 pm**

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago
reef wrote: ↑3 months ago Pitino wants a salary cap now ! Adapt to the rules Ricky it is what it is !
I don't hate the idea of a cap...caps and contracts. If they're gonna be treated like pros, make 'em sign multi year deals.
Pro teams have more stability than college teams these days...

Each team get a GM like you mentioned!

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:09 pm**

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago
NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago
reef wrote: ↑3 months ago Pitino wants a salary cap now ! Adapt to the rules Ricky it is what it is !
I don't hate the idea of a cap...caps and contracts. If they're gonna be treated like pros, make 'em sign multi year deals.
Pro teams have more stability than college teams these days...
Each team get a GM like you mentioned!

Hey, you are (somebody is) paying people to play a sport. The pros don't have everything set up that they do just for fun...

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:31 pm**

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago
reef wrote: ↑3 months ago
NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

I don't hate the idea of a cap...caps and contracts. If they're gonna be treated like pros, make 'em sign multi year deals.
Pro teams have more stability than college teams these days...
Each team get a GM like you mentioned!
Hey, you are (somebody is) paying people to play a sport. The pros don't have everything set up that they do just for fun...

Tammi Reiss said just before this season started “We are not Head Coaches anymore, we are General Managers”

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:34 pm**

ramster wrote: ↑3 months ago
NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago
reef wrote: ↑3 months ago

Each team get a GM like you mentioned!
Hey, you are (somebody is) paying people to play a sport. The pros don't have everything set up that they do just for fun...
Tammi Reiss said just before this season started “We are not Head Coaches anymore, we are General Managers”

That's the problem...I just want them to be coaches...

Posted: **Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:38 pm**

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago
reef wrote: ↑3 months ago
NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

I don't hate the idea of a cap...caps and contracts. If they're gonna be treated like pros, make 'em sign multi year deals.
Pro teams have more stability than college teams these days...
Each team get a GM like you mentioned!
Hey, you are (somebody is) paying people to play a sport. The pros don't have everything set up that they do just for fun...

A GM. Where did I hear that before?????

Posted: **Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:56 pm**

Anyone hear about this ?

The BIG and SEC announcing the two conferences forming an Advisory Group of BIG/SEC universities Presidents, Chancellors and AD’s to address significant challenges facing college athletics.

I saw a copy of an official BIG tweet with the announcement dated 2/2/24 (@ 12:30 pm).

I don’t recall anyone here posting about it so I figured I’d post it here - since NIL is one of the issues - for anyone interested in looking into the announcement and discussing.

Posted: **Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:12 pm**

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago Anyone hear about this ?

The BIG and SEC announcing the two conferences forming an Advisory Group of BIG/SEC universities Presidents, Chancellors and AD’s to address significant challenges facing college athletics.

I saw a copy of an official BIG tweet with the announcement dated 2/2/24 (@ 12:30 pm).

I don’t recall anyone here posting about it so I figured I’d post it here - since NIL is one of the issues - for anyone interested in looking into the announcement and discussing.

As the Cartel takes yet another step toward leaving the NCAA entirely ...

Posted: **Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:51 pm**

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago Anyone hear about this ?

The BIG and SEC announcing the two conferences forming an Advisory Group of BIG/SEC universities Presidents, Chancellors and AD’s to address significant challenges facing college athletics.

I saw a copy of an official BIG tweet with the announcement dated 2/2/24 (@ 12:30 pm).

I don’t recall anyone here posting about it so I figured I’d post it here - since NIL is one of the issues - for anyone interested in looking into the announcement and discussing.

Love the meeting ! I’m taking this as good news though who knows what’s going to happen !

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:06 am**

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago
Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago Anyone hear about this ?

The BIG and SEC announcing the two conferences forming an Advisory Group of BIG/SEC universities Presidents, Chancellors and AD’s to address significant challenges facing college athletics.

I saw a copy of an official BIG tweet with the announcement dated 2/2/24 (@ 12:30 pm).

I don’t recall anyone here posting about it so I figured I’d post it here - since NIL is one of the issues - for anyone interested in looking into the announcement and discussing.
Love the meeting ! I’m taking this as good news though who knows what’s going to happen !

I'm not a doomer by any stretch but I cannot see how this would be a positive thing. The two conferences that are raiding and pillaging every other conference want to team up together to discuss the issues facing athletics? They are the problem facing athletics. This feels very much like "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing." This seems like a next step in making things a bit more chaotic and a little bit worse for everyone else.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:34 am**

RhodyKyle wrote: ↑3 months ago
reef wrote: ↑3 months ago
Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago Anyone hear about this ?

The BIG and SEC announcing the two conferences forming an Advisory Group of BIG/SEC universities Presidents, Chancellors and AD’s to address significant challenges facing college athletics.

I saw a copy of an official BIG tweet with the announcement dated 2/2/24 (@ 12:30 pm).

I don’t recall anyone here posting about it so I figured I’d post it here - since NIL is one of the issues - for anyone interested in looking into the announcement and discussing.
Love the meeting ! I’m taking this as good news though who knows what’s going to happen !
I'm not a doomer by any stretch but I cannot see how this would be a positive thing. The two conferences that are raiding and pillaging every other conference want to team up together to discuss the issues facing athletics? They are the problem facing athletics. This feels very much like "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing." This seems like a next step in making things a bit more chaotic and a little bit worse for everyone else.

Doesn't change anything....it's going where it's going. This may speed things up a bit, that's all.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:30 am**

This isn’t a negative. The conferences, ADs, etc are going to have to fix this mess bc the NCAA is now powerless. Seems like everyone agrees the unlimited transferring isn’t sustainable so should be consensus to rein that in at some point.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 12:07 pm**

bigappleram wrote: ↑3 months ago This isn’t a negative. The conferences, ADs, etc are going to have to fix this mess bc the NCAA is now powerless. Seems like everyone agrees the unlimited transferring isn’t sustainable so should be consensus to rein that in at some point.

I think something needs to be done to curb this path but the two conferences eroding the environment being the ones responsible for assessing why athletics is eroding seems wildly disingenuous. They can certainly be part of the working group and have a voice but the fact they're the only voices in the room makes this lose any credibility.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:21 pm**

RhodyKyle wrote: ↑3 months ago
bigappleram wrote: ↑3 months ago This isn’t a negative. The conferences, ADs, etc are going to have to fix this mess bc the NCAA is now powerless. Seems like everyone agrees the unlimited transferring isn’t sustainable so should be consensus to rein that in at some point.
I think something needs to be done to curb this path but the two conferences eroding the environment being the ones responsible for assessing why athletics is eroding seems wildly disingenuous. They can certainly be part of the working group and have a voice but the fact they're the only voices in the room makes this lose any credibility.

"Erosion" "Evolution"
Potato....toe-mah-to

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:11 pm**

The SEC will distribute $741 million to its 14 member universities, about $51.3 million per school, from the 2022-23 fiscal year, commissioner Greg Sankey announced Thursday.

Posted: **Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:21 am**

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... iscal-year

Just an insane amount of money.

Posted: **Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:29 am**

No wonder FSU wants in so badly

Posted: **Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:49 am**

And even further proof that the players deserve a piece of that insane amount of money.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:53 am**

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