A10 Outlook for 21-22
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Duquesne beat U Of California Irvine Anteaters yesterday at Lebron James Arena in front of 211 fans
Irvine was favored by 6.5 points with a Big West leading NET of 53 placing the Anteaters ahead of all 14 A10 teams
Duquesne Beat Irvine by 22 points 76-54.
Irvine’s NET dropped overnight from 53 to 105
Duquesne improved from NET 256 to NET 223
Shows the impact of 1 game on NCAA Dancing NET stats.
Irvine was favored by 6.5 points with a Big West leading NET of 53 placing the Anteaters ahead of all 14 A10 teams
Duquesne Beat Irvine by 22 points 76-54.
Irvine’s NET dropped overnight from 53 to 105
Duquesne improved from NET 256 to NET 223
Shows the impact of 1 game on NCAA Dancing NET stats.
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
Davidson can beat Alabama but that won’t change the weak NET rankings for the A10. Davidson will be playing teams ranked in the 100’s and 200’s. This will hurt Davidson’s own NET.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years ago https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... tball-poll
Bama is now 10th in the country.
Great if Davidson beats Alabama but with the weak A10 odds are Davidson will still need to win the A10 Tournament just like all. Weak A10 this year which makes the path simple. Win out in DC in March.
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Lunardi with only the Auto Qualifier in for the A10.
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
The A-10 has very much been trending downward in NCAA bids and wins in recent years. It has received only two bids in each of the last two tournaments played and was win less each year. The league's last NCAA victory was by URI over Oklahoma back in the 2018 Tournament. The further consolidation of control by the power leagues and introduction of new metrics has hurt the A-10. If the league were to ever consistently become a one bid conference, there would no longer be many benefits for URI to be a part of it. The tv payout is not really significant and the NCAA unit distribution payout is becoming lower by the year. The league has a high cost of operation. Its members spend a lot on its most significant sport - men's basketball. Coaches salaries and operation costs are relatively high. The league has evolved over the years to cover a very large geographic area that requires much travel for ALL its sports programs which can be costly. This is exacerbated for a member such as URI on the extreme edge of the conference footprint.
A-10 NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY SINCE 1990
YEAR | BIDS | UNITS | WINS | TEAMS (SEEDS)
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2021 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2020 - SBU (9), VCU (10) FORFEIT
2019 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2019 - VCU (8) , SLU (13)
2018 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2018 - URI (7), St. Bonaventure (11), Davidson (12) 3
2017 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2017 - Dayton (7), VCU (10), URI (11) 3
2016 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2016 - Dayton (7), Saint Joseph's (8), VCU (10) 3
2015 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2015 - VCU (7), Davidson (10), Dayton (11) 3
2014 | 6 | 10 | 4 | 2014 - Saint Louis (5), VCU (5), UMASS (6), George Washington (9), Saint Joseph's (10), Dayton (11) 6
2013 | 5 | 12 | 7 | 2013 - Saint Louis (4), VCU (5), Butler (6), Temple (9), LaSalle (13) 5
2012 | 4 | 7 | 3 | 2012 - Temple (5), Saint Louis (9), Xavier (10), St. Bonaventure (14) 4
2011 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2011 - Xavier (6), Temple (7), Richmond (12) 3
2010 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2010 - Temple (5), Xavier (6), Richmond (7) 3
2009 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2009 - Xavier (4), Temple (11), Dayton (11) 3
2008 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2008 - Xavier (3), Saint Joseph's (11), Temple (12) 3
2007 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2007 - Xavier (9), George Washington (11) 2
2006 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2006 - George Washington (8), Xavier (14) 2
2005 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2005 - George Washington (12) 1
2004 | 4 | 10 | 6 | 2004 - Saint Joseph's (1), Xavier (7), Dayton (10), Richmond (11) 4
2003 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2003 - Xavier (3), Dayton (4), Saint Joseph's (7) 3
2002 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2002 - Xavier (7) 1
2001 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 2001 - Saint Joseph's (9), Temple (11), Xavier (11) 3
2000 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2000 - Temple (2), Dayton (11), St. Bonaventure (12) 3
1999 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1999 - Temple (6), George Washington (11), URI (12) 3
1998 | 5 | 8 | 3 | 1998 - Xavier (6) UMASS (7), Temple (7), URI (8), George Washington (9) 5
1997 | 5 | 9 | 4 | 1997 - Saint Joseph's (4), Xavier (7), URI (9), Temple (9), UMASS (11) 5
1996 | 4 | 10 | 6 | 1996 - UMASS (1), Temple (7), Virginia Tech (9), George Washington (11) 4
1995 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 1995 - UMASS (2), Temple (10) 2
1994 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1994 - UMASS (2), Temple (4) George Washington (10) 3
1993 | 4 | 11 | 7 | 1993 - UMASS (3), URI (8), Xavier (9), George Washington (12) 4
1992 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 1992 - UMASS (3), Temple (11), West Virginia (12) 3
1991 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 1991 - Rutgers (9), Temple (10), Penn St (13) 3
1990 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1990 - Temple (11) 1
A-10 NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY SINCE 1990
YEAR | BIDS | UNITS | WINS | TEAMS (SEEDS)
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2021 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2020 - SBU (9), VCU (10) FORFEIT
2019 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2019 - VCU (8) , SLU (13)
2018 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2018 - URI (7), St. Bonaventure (11), Davidson (12) 3
2017 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2017 - Dayton (7), VCU (10), URI (11) 3
2016 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2016 - Dayton (7), Saint Joseph's (8), VCU (10) 3
2015 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2015 - VCU (7), Davidson (10), Dayton (11) 3
2014 | 6 | 10 | 4 | 2014 - Saint Louis (5), VCU (5), UMASS (6), George Washington (9), Saint Joseph's (10), Dayton (11) 6
2013 | 5 | 12 | 7 | 2013 - Saint Louis (4), VCU (5), Butler (6), Temple (9), LaSalle (13) 5
2012 | 4 | 7 | 3 | 2012 - Temple (5), Saint Louis (9), Xavier (10), St. Bonaventure (14) 4
2011 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2011 - Xavier (6), Temple (7), Richmond (12) 3
2010 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2010 - Temple (5), Xavier (6), Richmond (7) 3
2009 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2009 - Xavier (4), Temple (11), Dayton (11) 3
2008 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2008 - Xavier (3), Saint Joseph's (11), Temple (12) 3
2007 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2007 - Xavier (9), George Washington (11) 2
2006 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2006 - George Washington (8), Xavier (14) 2
2005 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2005 - George Washington (12) 1
2004 | 4 | 10 | 6 | 2004 - Saint Joseph's (1), Xavier (7), Dayton (10), Richmond (11) 4
2003 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2003 - Xavier (3), Dayton (4), Saint Joseph's (7) 3
2002 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2002 - Xavier (7) 1
2001 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 2001 - Saint Joseph's (9), Temple (11), Xavier (11) 3
2000 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2000 - Temple (2), Dayton (11), St. Bonaventure (12) 3
1999 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1999 - Temple (6), George Washington (11), URI (12) 3
1998 | 5 | 8 | 3 | 1998 - Xavier (6) UMASS (7), Temple (7), URI (8), George Washington (9) 5
1997 | 5 | 9 | 4 | 1997 - Saint Joseph's (4), Xavier (7), URI (9), Temple (9), UMASS (11) 5
1996 | 4 | 10 | 6 | 1996 - UMASS (1), Temple (7), Virginia Tech (9), George Washington (11) 4
1995 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 1995 - UMASS (2), Temple (10) 2
1994 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1994 - UMASS (2), Temple (4) George Washington (10) 3
1993 | 4 | 11 | 7 | 1993 - UMASS (3), URI (8), Xavier (9), George Washington (12) 4
1992 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 1992 - UMASS (3), Temple (11), West Virginia (12) 3
1991 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 1991 - Rutgers (9), Temple (10), Penn St (13) 3
1990 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1990 - Temple (11) 1
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
Not true. Beating a top 15 team changes things. The committee does not solely look at NET Rankings. It's vital but it's not the only factor...ramster wrote: ↑2 years agoDavidson can beat Alabama but that won't change the weak NET rankings for the A10. Davidson will be playing teams ranked in the 100's and 200's. This will hurt Davidson's own NET.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years ago https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... tball-poll
Bama is now 10th in the country.
Great if Davidson beats Alabama but with the weak A10 odds are Davidson will still need to win the A10 Tournament just like all. Weak A10 this year which makes the path simple. Win out in DC in March.
Potential Quad 1 games- Bama and @VCU*
Potential Quad 2 games- @VCU, @Richmond, VCU*, @Bonnies, @URI, St Louis, @Dayton
VCU is very close to being a Quad 1 or Quad 2 team on the road and Quad 2 or Quad 3 at home... I think they will only get better with Baldwin back.
Drake's NET last season- 43
Quad 1- 1-3
Quad 2- 6-0
Quad 3- 6-2
Quad 4- 11-0
Drake's only quad one win was against Loyola at home. Beating Bama would be a much better win than that..
I still see a road for Davidson.
1.Beat Bama,
2. Go 6-1 in those Quad 2 games
3. No Quad 4 losses
4. Make the finals of the A10 tournament.
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I agree...Right now, the A10 should not have an at large. Lunardi is the most popular but far from the most accurate. I wouldn't go off of his bracket..ramster wrote: ↑2 years ago Lunardi with only the Auto Qualifier in for the A10.
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
Bracket matrix has much better options.
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
Highly doubtful the A10 will be a consistent 1 bid league.RF1 wrote: ↑2 years ago The A-10 has very much been trending downward in NCAA bids and wins in recent years. It has received only two bids in each of the last two tournaments played and was win less each year. The league's last NCAA victory was by URI over Oklahoma back in the 2018 Tournament. The further consolidation of control by the power leagues and introduction of new metrics has hurt the A-10. If the league were to ever consistently become a one bid conference, there would no longer be many benefits for URI to be a part of it. The tv payout is not really significant and the NCAA unit distribution payout is becoming lower by the year. The league has a high cost of operation. Its members spend a lot on its most significant sport - men's basketball. Coaches salaries and operation costs are relatively high. The league has evolved over the years to cover a very large geographic area that requires much travel for ALL its sports programs which can be costly. This is exacerbated for a member such as URI on the extreme edge of the conference footprint.
A-10 NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY SINCE 1990
YEAR | BIDS | UNITS | WINS | TEAMS (SEEDS)
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2021 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2020 - SBU (9), VCU (10) FORFEIT
2019 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2019 - VCU (8) , SLU (13)
2018 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2018 - URI (7), St. Bonaventure (11), Davidson (12) 3
2017 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2017 - Dayton (7), VCU (10), URI (11) 3
2016 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2016 - Dayton (7), Saint Joseph's (8), VCU (10) 3
2015 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2015 - VCU (7), Davidson (10), Dayton (11) 3
2014 | 6 | 10 | 4 | 2014 - Saint Louis (5), VCU (5), UMASS (6), George Washington (9), Saint Joseph's (10), Dayton (11) 6
2013 | 5 | 12 | 7 | 2013 - Saint Louis (4), VCU (5), Butler (6), Temple (9), LaSalle (13) 5
2012 | 4 | 7 | 3 | 2012 - Temple (5), Saint Louis (9), Xavier (10), St. Bonaventure (14) 4
2011 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2011 - Xavier (6), Temple (7), Richmond (12) 3
2010 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2010 - Temple (5), Xavier (6), Richmond (7) 3
2009 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2009 - Xavier (4), Temple (11), Dayton (11) 3
2008 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2008 - Xavier (3), Saint Joseph's (11), Temple (12) 3
2007 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2007 - Xavier (9), George Washington (11) 2
2006 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2006 - George Washington (8), Xavier (14) 2
2005 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2005 - George Washington (12) 1
2004 | 4 | 10 | 6 | 2004 - Saint Joseph's (1), Xavier (7), Dayton (10), Richmond (11) 4
2003 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2003 - Xavier (3), Dayton (4), Saint Joseph's (7) 3
2002 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2002 - Xavier (7) 1
2001 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 2001 - Saint Joseph's (9), Temple (11), Xavier (11) 3
2000 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2000 - Temple (2), Dayton (11), St. Bonaventure (12) 3
1999 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1999 - Temple (6), George Washington (11), URI (12) 3
1998 | 5 | 8 | 3 | 1998 - Xavier (6) UMASS (7), Temple (7), URI (8), George Washington (9) 5
1997 | 5 | 9 | 4 | 1997 - Saint Joseph's (4), Xavier (7), URI (9), Temple (9), UMASS (11) 5
1996 | 4 | 10 | 6 | 1996 - UMASS (1), Temple (7), Virginia Tech (9), George Washington (11) 4
1995 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 1995 - UMASS (2), Temple (10) 2
1994 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1994 - UMASS (2), Temple (4) George Washington (10) 3
1993 | 4 | 11 | 7 | 1993 - UMASS (3), URI (8), Xavier (9), George Washington (12) 4
1992 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 1992 - UMASS (3), Temple (11), West Virginia (12) 3
1991 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 1991 - Rutgers (9), Temple (10), Penn St (13) 3
1990 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1990 - Temple (11) 1
Besides we aren't going to leave the conference, no better alternatives.
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
I really don’t need to go off and bracketologist info - just the NET numbers tell the non story of being a 1 bid conference this yearsteveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years agoI agree...Right now, the A10 should not have an at large. Lunardi is the most popular but far from the most accurate. I wouldn't go off of his bracket..ramster wrote: ↑2 years ago Lunardi with only the Auto Qualifier in for the A10.
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
Bracket matrix has much better options.
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
Bona a 9 seed ?? Keep smoking Joey L
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My guess is the way Bonaventure is playing they won’t make the dance. VCU, Dayton, Richmond, Saint Louis, Davidson and yes URI all have legit shots at winning the A10 Auto Bid in DC
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This team had had 3 players shooting 40percemt on threes before this game.
Tough to defense.
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Many on this board many moons ago stated that Davidson wouldn't be able to recruit and compete at the A-10 level. Didn't have the athletes. Oh well.
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Pretty good call Stevey. Davidson really helped their chances tonight.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years agooramster wrote: ↑2 years agoSaint Louis 70steveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years ago
Davidson is at 52 at the moment.They’ll need to pick up a few Quad 1/2 wins to have a shot. Right now the only A10 getting in is the conference tournament winner
VCU 79
Richmond 85
All A10 Teams have the same goal to get a NCAA bid - win the A10 Tournament
I don't see it this way. Davidson is a bubble team right now with no bad losses... Beat Bama and they are probably in. There is a significant difference between winning a borderline Quad 1 game and beating a top 10 team. They will also likely need to finish first in the A10, but they still have a shot at receiving a bid. If they lose to Bama, then they are likely in the same boat as the rest of the A10 with needing an automatic bid
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That 8-2 versus the ACC statistic is so misleading. The A10 has played and beaten the dregs of the ACC.
BC accounts for three of the A10 wins. Other schools beaten include Miami, Clemson, Va Tech and Syracuse.
BC accounts for three of the A10 wins. Other schools beaten include Miami, Clemson, Va Tech and Syracuse.
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Currently a 10 seed in this updated bracket. http://makingthemadness.com/bracketolog ... -wildcats/Jersey77 wrote: ↑2 years agoPretty good call Stevey. Davidson really helped their chances tonight.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years agoo
I don't see it this way. Davidson is a bubble team right now with no bad losses... Beat Bama and they are probably in. There is a significant difference between winning a borderline Quad 1 game and beating a top 10 team. They will also likely need to finish first in the A10, but they still have a shot at receiving a bid. If they lose to Bama, then they are likely in the same boat as the rest of the A10 with needing an automatic bid
As I said, it's a long season, and they will need to do work in the A10, but Davidson just drastically improved their chance at a bid.
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Davidson moved up
Not good NET numbers for A10 overall heading into conference play soon
Not good NET numbers for A10 overall heading into conference play soon
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Here's your scheduled reminder that Joe Lunardi is trash at picking brackets. Just because you were first/have the biggest platform doesn't mean you're good. He's ranked 55th out of 135 brackets tracked over multiple years.ramster wrote: ↑2 years ago Lunardi with only the Auto Qualifier in for the A10.
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
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Well St. Bonaventure went to the tournament last year as a 9 seed, so I wouldn't say they have nothing to show for it.KingstonLane wrote: ↑2 years ago I know we complain a lot here about our team this year, but imagine being a fan of all these veteran A10 teams?
Bonnie’s and Richmond have been building to this for 3-4 years now and have nothing to show for it. Senior laden teams that can’t beat anyone significant. That’s a tough pill to swallow
Richmond is a good comparison to us under Cox, although they're in a tougher predicament with Mooney than we are with Cox. When the 2019-20 season ended, if I remember correctly they were on the right side of the bubble, so Richmond ended up giving him a two year extension. If we hadn't had our collapse and had still been a consensus at large team when the season ended we would have had to extend Cox even though we wouldn't have had the notoriety and extra money that comes with actually competing in the tournament
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
My point was more to show A10 is more likely a 1-bid Conf than a 3-4 bid Conference that several posters believed possible prior to season start and done injuries.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑2 years agoHere's your scheduled reminder that Joe Lunardi is trash at picking brackets. Just because you were first/have the biggest platform doesn't mean you're good. He's ranked 55th out of 135 brackets tracked over multiple years.ramster wrote: ↑2 years ago Lunardi with only the Auto Qualifier in for the A10.
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
Looking at the Bracket Matrix:
38 Bracketologists
Davidson - 27
St Bonaventure - 10
VCU - 3
Dayton - 1
Total 41 A10 Invites
Katz with St Bonaventure 11-seed, Davidson 12-seed
Day with Dayton 9-seed, VCU 10-seed
5star with St Bonaventure 12-seed, Davidson 12-seed
So only 3 of 38 Bracketologists with 2 A10 teams, 35 Bracketologists with only the auto bid.
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
DelphiBracketology seems to be the new most accurate bracket to follow that updates fairly regularly, ranked 2nd overall. Their last update was 12/17, but before that they were updating once a week. They had St. Bonaventure as the only A10 team in, and they were a 12 seed.
Bracketville, which I had been using before has now dropped to 9th. They updated Friday and have Davidson as an 11 seed and St. Bonaventure as 2nd team out. If you go far enough down the list he has Richmond as the 18th team out, which would barely qualify as lurking. So as most have been saying, this is a one bid league with a shot at 2.
https://delphibracketology.com/
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/
Bracketville, which I had been using before has now dropped to 9th. They updated Friday and have Davidson as an 11 seed and St. Bonaventure as 2nd team out. If you go far enough down the list he has Richmond as the 18th team out, which would barely qualify as lurking. So as most have been saying, this is a one bid league with a shot at 2.
https://delphibracketology.com/
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/
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Re: A10 Outlook for 21-22
Yup Lunardi sucks.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑2 years agoHere's your scheduled reminder that Joe Lunardi is trash at picking brackets. Just because you were first/have the biggest platform doesn't mean you're good. He's ranked 55th out of 135 brackets tracked over multiple years.ramster wrote: ↑2 years ago Lunardi with only the Auto Qualifier in for the A10.
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
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I disagreed with you when you said that the A10 has no chance at an at-large bid. Davidson is now without question an at-large candidate. Any team that is getting votes in the top 25 will be considered. So if Davidson finishes first in the A10 and loses in the finals we can still land 2 teams. That's our only shot at multiple bids.ramster wrote: ↑2 years agoMy point was more to show A10 is more likely a 1-bid Conf than a 3-4 bid Conference that several posters believed possible prior to season start and done injuries.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑2 years agoHere's your scheduled reminder that Joe Lunardi is trash at picking brackets. Just because you were first/have the biggest platform doesn't mean you're good. He's ranked 55th out of 135 brackets tracked over multiple years.ramster wrote: ↑2 years ago Lunardi with only the Auto Qualifier in for the A10.
St Bonaventure as a 9-seed
Multiple Bids
CONFERENCE - number of teams
Big Ten - 10
Big 12 - 7
SEC - 7
Big East - 6
ACC - 4
WCC - 4
Pac-12 - 3
American - 2
Mountain West - 2
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... acketology
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
Looking at the Bracket Matrix:
38 Bracketologists
Davidson - 27
St Bonaventure - 10
VCU - 3
Dayton - 1
Total 41 A10 Invites
Katz with St Bonaventure 11-seed, Davidson 12-seed
Day with Dayton 9-seed, VCU 10-seed
5star with St Bonaventure 12-seed, Davidson 12-seed
So only 3 of 38 Bracketologists with 2 A10 teams, 35 Bracketologists with only the auto bid.
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And that is only if Davidson keeps their ranking. Davidson was picked 6th in A10 preseasonsteveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years agoI disagreed with you when you said that the A10 has no chance at an at-large bid. Davidson is now without question an at-large candidate. Any team that is getting votes in the top 25 will be considered. So if Davidson finishes first in the A10 and loses in the finals we can still land 2 teams. That's our only shot at multiple bids.ramster wrote: ↑2 years agoMy point was more to show A10 is more likely a 1-bid Conf than a 3-4 bid Conference that several posters believed possible prior to season start and done injuries.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑2 years ago
Here's your scheduled reminder that Joe Lunardi is trash at picking brackets. Just because you were first/have the biggest platform doesn't mean you're good. He's ranked 55th out of 135 brackets tracked over multiple years.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
Looking at the Bracket Matrix:
38 Bracketologists
Davidson - 27
St Bonaventure - 10
VCU - 3
Dayton - 1
Total 41 A10 Invites
Katz with St Bonaventure 11-seed, Davidson 12-seed
Day with Dayton 9-seed, VCU 10-seed
5star with St Bonaventure 12-seed, Davidson 12-seed
So only 3 of 38 Bracketologists with 2 A10 teams, 35 Bracketologists with only the auto bid.
And remember it was often said in the summer and fall that the A10 would get 3 possibly 4 teams in. It wasn’t always only 2
I’ll stick with only 1 gets in. I don’t think Davidson will stay as highly ranked as they currently are. They are not a Top 40 NET team in the long run. Once Davidson starts playing all the 150 to 300 NET A10 teams their NET 40 will be pressured down and once they lose a few A10 games look out below.
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It kind of amazes me that people on the board are making proclamations about the teams in the a 10 and that it will be a one bid or two bid league
before conference play has even begun . Let's be clear : at this point in the season we know nothing about how the league will shake out . why not
have a little patience. sit back and enjoy a little bit of the conference play before we start making such negative proclamations . the naysayers
may all turn out to be right or they may be way off base as has often been the case in the past. I prefer to watch the games for a while before deciding that the season is already over .
before conference play has even begun . Let's be clear : at this point in the season we know nothing about how the league will shake out . why not
have a little patience. sit back and enjoy a little bit of the conference play before we start making such negative proclamations . the naysayers
may all turn out to be right or they may be way off base as has often been the case in the past. I prefer to watch the games for a while before deciding that the season is already over .
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And it amazes me how people on the board can say the A10 is a 3 to 4 bid conference before the first OOC game is even played as happened preseason and summer.
Reality is the current NET after A19 OOC games complete.
It’s not pretty. Worst overall NET I’ve seen heading into conference play for A10 teams. They now must play one another with crappy NET’s relative to other conferences.
In addition 35 of 38 Bracketologists currently have the A10 a 1-bid conference. Only 3 have / teams and those have poor seeds.
Nobody has 3 or 4 teams.
So it’s not just “posters on this board”
Reality is the current NET after A19 OOC games complete.
It’s not pretty. Worst overall NET I’ve seen heading into conference play for A10 teams. They now must play one another with crappy NET’s relative to other conferences.
In addition 35 of 38 Bracketologists currently have the A10 a 1-bid conference. Only 3 have / teams and those have poor seeds.
Nobody has 3 or 4 teams.
So it’s not just “posters on this board”
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Which game are you watching? This season is basically over.luke wrote: ↑2 years ago It kind of amazes me that people on the board are making proclamations about the teams in the a 10 and that it will be a one bid or two bid league
before conference play has even begun . Let's be clear : at this point in the season we know nothing about how the league will shake out . why not
have a little patience. sit back and enjoy a little bit of the conference play before we start making such negative proclamations . the naysayers
may all turn out to be right or they may be way off base as has often been the case in the past. I prefer to watch the games for a while before deciding that the season is already over .
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The good news is URI has about as good a chance as any A10 team of winning the A10. St Bonaventure was a Top 20 team preseason but NET of only 113 and Richmond has disappointed. Davidson was picked 6th and URI can beat them.
We can be the Auto bid and could also win the A10 Conference. Then Cox gets an extension and raise!!
GO RHODY! Auto Bid!!
We can be the Auto bid and could also win the A10 Conference. Then Cox gets an extension and raise!!
GO RHODY! Auto Bid!!
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Once again, I'm not saying the A10 will get multiple bids.. My only point was when you kept repeating that the only chance at a bid for the conference was whoever won the conference championship, I disagreed. Yes, If Davidson starts to LOSE to teams ranked in 150-300, their bid likely goes away... I don't care what the preseason rank is. That means nothing. So far, they are playing like a team in the tournament or one of the first few teams out.ramster wrote: ↑2 years agoAnd that is only if Davidson keeps their ranking. Davidson was picked 6th in A10 preseasonsteveystuds06 wrote: ↑2 years agoI disagreed with you when you said that the A10 has no chance at an at-large bid. Davidson is now without question an at-large candidate. Any team that is getting votes in the top 25 will be considered. So if Davidson finishes first in the A10 and loses in the finals we can still land 2 teams. That's our only shot at multiple bids.ramster wrote: ↑2 years ago
My point was more to show A10 is more likely a 1-bid Conf than a 3-4 bid Conference that several posters believed possible prior to season start and done injuries.
Looking at the Bracket Matrix:
38 Bracketologists
Davidson - 27
St Bonaventure - 10
VCU - 3
Dayton - 1
Total 41 A10 Invites
Katz with St Bonaventure 11-seed, Davidson 12-seed
Day with Dayton 9-seed, VCU 10-seed
5star with St Bonaventure 12-seed, Davidson 12-seed
So only 3 of 38 Bracketologists with 2 A10 teams, 35 Bracketologists with only the auto bid.
And remember it was often said in the summer and fall that the A10 would get 3 possibly 4 teams in. It wasn't always only 2
I'll stick with only 1 gets in. I don't think Davidson will stay as highly ranked as they currently are. They are not a Top 40 NET team in the long run. Once Davidson starts playing all the 150 to 300 NET A10 teams their NET 40 will be pressured down and once they lose a few A10 games look out below.
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Just to confirm. You're saying that the A10 can still receive 3 to 4 bids? Do you truly believe that?luke wrote: ↑2 years ago It kind of amazes me that people on the board are making proclamations about the teams in the a 10 and that it will be a one bid or two bid league
before conference play has even begun . Let's be clear : at this point in the season we know nothing about how the league will shake out . why not
have a little patience. sit back and enjoy a little bit of the conference play before we start making such negative proclamations . the naysayers
may all turn out to be right or they may be way off base as has often been the case in the past. I prefer to watch the games for a while before deciding that the season is already over .
I'm not trying to be negative here I'm simply being realistic. Pretending that NET rankings and the nonconference don't matter is not how this works.
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No , I am saying that we have no information yet about where the A 10 will stand right now . Is it still possible to get 3-4 teams in ? Yes it is
possible to get 3-4 teams in the dance . I am in no way saying that that will happen. we don't know what will happen in the a 10 or any of the other leagues that would be competing with the a 10 for bids . for instance , UCONN might lose twice to each of the bottom 2 teams in the BE and lose the first game of their tournament and likewise teams in the SEC and so on and so forth while Davidson , VCU and URI breeze through the Atlantic 10
to phenomenal records . I any of thiis at all likely ? Maybe not, but many things can happen to good teams that would otherwise be shoe ins such
as a rash of injuries to several teams . There are always surprises as we go along every season . It is pointless to me to assume at this point ina season
that you can predict anything and at my age I have learned not to jump to conclusions to quickly .I remember saying in 2017 that URI could still come
back and win 8 in a row in late February through the a 10 Tournament . I don't remember too many on the board believing that either , but it
happened . So be patient and let some of the conference games play out. we already have a wrinkle with the postponement of the first night of games.
We might not even have a season for all we know right now.
possible to get 3-4 teams in the dance . I am in no way saying that that will happen. we don't know what will happen in the a 10 or any of the other leagues that would be competing with the a 10 for bids . for instance , UCONN might lose twice to each of the bottom 2 teams in the BE and lose the first game of their tournament and likewise teams in the SEC and so on and so forth while Davidson , VCU and URI breeze through the Atlantic 10
to phenomenal records . I any of thiis at all likely ? Maybe not, but many things can happen to good teams that would otherwise be shoe ins such
as a rash of injuries to several teams . There are always surprises as we go along every season . It is pointless to me to assume at this point ina season
that you can predict anything and at my age I have learned not to jump to conclusions to quickly .I remember saying in 2017 that URI could still come
back and win 8 in a row in late February through the a 10 Tournament . I don't remember too many on the board believing that either , but it
happened . So be patient and let some of the conference games play out. we already have a wrinkle with the postponement of the first night of games.
We might not even have a season for all we know right now.
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Come on man. You posted here you thought the A10 could get 3-4 teams just recently. How coils you make that statement when the games have not all been played yet?
You did exactly what you are criticizing now.
Of course you need to play the season.
All the Bracketologists know that, everyone knows that.
Maybe 352 teams get Covid and we win the National Championship because we didn’t.
The NET sucks for the A10 right now because we sucked in OOC performance. None of the A10 teams can’t undo that.
You did exactly what you are criticizing now.
Of course you need to play the season.
All the Bracketologists know that, everyone knows that.
Maybe 352 teams get Covid and we win the National Championship because we didn’t.
The NET sucks for the A10 right now because we sucked in OOC performance. None of the A10 teams can’t undo that.
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This long Covid pause has me feeling a bit pessimistic going into A10 play.
The players are isolating and not able to practice or view film as a team.
Now that the Dayton game is postponed, I wouldn't be surprised if the same will be true for LaSalle on Sunday.
This means the team starts conference play on the road against GM and Davidson with a lot of rust, good luck with that.
We would also have to cram several games into a tight schedule.
Not looking good, and possibly another disappointing season.
The players are isolating and not able to practice or view film as a team.
Now that the Dayton game is postponed, I wouldn't be surprised if the same will be true for LaSalle on Sunday.
This means the team starts conference play on the road against GM and Davidson with a lot of rust, good luck with that.
We would also have to cram several games into a tight schedule.
Not looking good, and possibly another disappointing season.
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Most teams have been in the same situation the last two seasons. It sucks. The shutdowns mess with conditioning, court time, socializing, everything. It’s why I never bought the COVID restrictions as a reason last year’s team struggled. I agree it was different with the restrictions and no fans but still not the same, physically or mentally, as just having to stop. I’m hopeful that after a few shit show weeks, the schedule across the sport returns to some normalcy.Jersey77 wrote: ↑2 years ago This long Covid pause has me feeling a bit pessimistic going into A10 play.
The players are isolating and not able to practice or view film as a team.
Now that the Dayton game is postponed, I wouldn't be surprised if the same will be true for LaSalle on Sunday.
This means the team starts conference play on the road against GM and Davidson with a lot of rust, good luck with that.
We would also have to cram several games into a tight schedule.
Not looking good, and possibly another disappointing season.
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………boom, there it is “rust”…….not a big fan rust being a factor in poor play……..but this case would appear not to be normal rust of scheduling……..each team and coaching will have to deal with the messed up schedule, start testing only those players with symptoms……..seems like a league wide pause is coming(predictable surprise)………play anybody anywhere…….there is where our supposed depth should come into play……..no?Jersey77 wrote: ↑2 years ago This long Covid pause has me feeling a bit pessimistic going into A10 play.
The players are isolating and not able to practice or view film as a team.
Now that the Dayton game is postponed, I wouldn't be surprised if the same will be true for LaSalle on Sunday.
This means the team starts conference play on the road against GM and Davidson with a lot of rust, good luck with that.
We would also have to cram several games into a tight schedule.
Not looking good, and possibly another disappointing season.
Saw in the Pamphlet today where an A10 team with minimum of seven scholarship ( non covid) players and one ( non covid ) coach are eligible to play the games……..got depth?
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Biggest "rust" issue being that not only the long pause but players not being able to practice due to Covid protocol.section(105) wrote: ↑2 years ago………boom, there it is “rust”…….not a big fan rust being a factor in poor play……..but this case would appear not to be normal rust of scheduling……..each team and coaching will have to deal with the messed up schedule, start testing only those players with symptoms……..seems like a league wide pause is coming(predictable surprise)………play anybody anywhere…….there is where our supposed depth should come into play……..no?Jersey77 wrote: ↑2 years ago This long Covid pause has me feeling a bit pessimistic going into A10 play.
The players are isolating and not able to practice or view film as a team.
Now that the Dayton game is postponed, I wouldn't be surprised if the same will be true for LaSalle on Sunday.
This means the team starts conference play on the road against GM and Davidson with a lot of rust, good luck with that.
We would also have to cram several games into a tight schedule.
Not looking good, and possibly another disappointing season.
Saw in the Pamphlet today where an A10 team with minimum of seven scholarship ( non covid) players and one ( non covid ) coach are eligible to play the games……..got depth?
Not sure that would be the same case with other teams just dealing with the scheduling issues.
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I suppose, but they got waxed by LSU in the first round. Richmond definitely a bigger mess.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑2 years agoWell St. Bonaventure went to the tournament last year as a 9 seed, so I wouldn't say they have nothing to show for it.KingstonLane wrote: ↑2 years ago I know we complain a lot here about our team this year, but imagine being a fan of all these veteran A10 teams?
Bonnie’s and Richmond have been building to this for 3-4 years now and have nothing to show for it. Senior laden teams that can’t beat anyone significant. That’s a tough pill to swallow
Richmond is a good comparison to us under Cox, although they're in a tougher predicament with Mooney than we are with Cox. When the 2019-20 season ended, if I remember correctly they were on the right side of the bubble, so Richmond ended up giving him a two year extension. If we hadn't had our collapse and had still been a consensus at large team when the season ended we would have had to extend Cox even though we wouldn't have had the notoriety and extra money that comes with actually competing in the tournament
My point wasn’t even necessarily to relate this to URI, just that sometimes being a fan is hard and not ultimately rewarded. Applies to college basketball and every other sport
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Ramster , that's where we agree . It is way too early to say the A 10 will be a 3-4 team league , or a 1 bid league or a 2 bid league . Now if you say at this point you believe it is likely the A 10 will probably be a 1 or 2 bid league unless a couple or three teams separate themselves from the pack
substantially , I wouldn't argue with you. But that can still happen and many expected contenders could still hit the skids big time due to injuries or
just plain poor play like Kentucky last season . spots can open up at this early stage.
substantially , I wouldn't argue with you. But that can still happen and many expected contenders could still hit the skids big time due to injuries or
just plain poor play like Kentucky last season . spots can open up at this early stage.
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And I never said I thought the A 10 would or could be a 3-4 team league , I said it was still possible . That doesn't mean I believe that is where they will end up , only the fact that it is too early to dismiss all possibilities of it happening , that's all I was trying to say.
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Well you can stretch it a little or a lot with Loyola/Chicago getting a bid, after all next year they will be in the A10.luke wrote: ↑2 years ago Ramster , that's where we agree . It is way too early to say the A 10 will be a 3-4 team league , or a 1 bid league or a 2 bid league . Now if you say at this point you believe it is likely the A 10 will probably be a 1 or 2 bid league unless a couple or three teams separate themselves from the pack
substantially , I wouldn't argue with you. But that can still happen and many expected contenders could still hit the skids big time due to injuries or
just plain poor play like Kentucky last season . spots can open up at this early stage.
Just grasping at straws, but going forward the A10 looks to be in good shape, have to look at the bright side.
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Atlantic 10′s performance in non-conference play will cost it on Selection Sunday
https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/ ... V4PIBMPZU/
The Atlantic 10 Conference put itself on a path to being a one-bid league — meaning one NCAA tournament invitation — with its performance in November and December.
The A-10 always finds a way to get at least one at-large team into the big dance, even though last year that one team, Virginia Commonwealth, had to withdraw from the tournament because of COVID-19 issues. This season, the A-10 tournament champion, who will be guaranteed a bid, might be the only A-10 team to hear its name called on Selection Sunday.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/ ... V4PIBMPZU/
The Atlantic 10 Conference put itself on a path to being a one-bid league — meaning one NCAA tournament invitation — with its performance in November and December.
The A-10 always finds a way to get at least one at-large team into the big dance, even though last year that one team, Virginia Commonwealth, had to withdraw from the tournament because of COVID-19 issues. This season, the A-10 tournament champion, who will be guaranteed a bid, might be the only A-10 team to hear its name called on Selection Sunday.
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35 of 38 Bracketologists have the A10 getting only 1 bid. This is not new news. Only people out on a limb are the 3 Bracketologists of the 38.RF1 wrote: ↑2 years ago Atlantic 10′s performance in non-conference play will cost it on Selection Sunday
https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/ ... V4PIBMPZU/
The Atlantic 10 Conference put itself on a path to being a one-bid league — meaning one NCAA tournament invitation — with its performance in November and December.
The A-10 always finds a way to get at least one at-large team into the big dance, even though last year that one team, Virginia Commonwealth, had to withdraw from the tournament because of COVID-19 issues. This season, the A-10 tournament champion, who will be guaranteed a bid, might be the only A-10 team to hear its name called on Selection Sunday.
The best news is it gets rid of the guesswork - no need to think or worry about how the A10 did in OOC. Doesn’t matter. It’s irrelevant. It’s simple how yo get a bid. URI must win the A10 Auto-Bid
The even better news is URI can do it. Davidson was only picked 6th preseason.
No team an overwhelming favorite.
Opportunity is there for David Cox and team to grab.
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Sorry ramster but we've got the wrong coach to do that.
That would require us playing our best at the right time.
It's never happened with DC and I doubt it ever will. Doubt actually isn't a strong enough word for it.
That would require us playing our best at the right time.
It's never happened with DC and I doubt it ever will. Doubt actually isn't a strong enough word for it.
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But Rambone,
It's the only chance we have. URI is not getting an At-Large Bid. Must flat out win the Auto-Bid. Any energy or discussion regarding a URI At-Large did is wasted this year.
If we do not win the NCAA Auto-Bid then changes will be made.
It's the only chance we have. URI is not getting an At-Large Bid. Must flat out win the Auto-Bid. Any energy or discussion regarding a URI At-Large did is wasted this year.
If we do not win the NCAA Auto-Bid then changes will be made.
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Not excited about the possibilities, but I do think there are multiple non Auto Bid scenarios that lead to no change. Starting with...get to the finals of the A10T.... almost regardless of record.
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Richmond is the only team in the A10 that played their full schedule to date, no cancellations or postponements.
They have played all 15 games, of course it hasn't helped their record 9-6 (0-2).
I wonder how this statement will age.
They have played all 15 games, of course it hasn't helped their record 9-6 (0-2).
I wonder how this statement will age.
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Not a bad move by VCU, maybe Rhody can try something similar by starting Walker in place of Makhi.