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That's fine that he says that's his goal. Someone try and convince me that even though Jared Terrell, who is more talented and has much more drive and determination, can't stay in the NBA , but Tyrese Martin can.

CTRamfan wrote: ↑4 years ago In the Hartford Courant this morning.

Martin in an interview yesterday, stated......................"Hurley called me OFTEN"

Here is the Hartford Courant Article. To be fair, Hurley called Tyrese about things other than basketball.

“I was hearing from him often,” Martin said. "Even when it wasn’t about basketball, he was just concerned about my family and he always talked about helping me be a better person. Things like that stick out the most to me. He wasn’t just worried about the basketball aspect of a kid.”

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-me ... story.html

CTRamfan wrote: ↑4 years ago In the Hartford Courant this morning.

Martin in an interview yesterday, stated......................"Hurley called me OFTEN"

If this was before Martin was in the portal then it is tampering. I'm not surprised UConn would pull this crap, but DH should be ashamed of himself.

Yeah, and when Calhoun was showing up at our practices, I'm sure he was just there to ask Dan about some good restaurants in the area.

If the rule doesn"t pass and Tyrese applies for a waiver to play right away, I would loooooove to see how Hurley and UConn spinzone it to make it sound like Tyrese should be eligible immediately.

Can we please stop being so whiny and naive about all this. Its such a bad look for the fanbase.

I think it's absurd how some folks are questioning Tyrese's drive and determination. Nobody knows him personally here (obviously myself included) - so how the hell would you know that Tyrese doesn't have the drive and determination that Jared Terrell did, aside from the fact that Jared wore his emotions on his sleeve on the court and Tyrese doesn't? Just absurd.

Also, no one is trying to say that Tyrese is a better NBA prospect than Jared was. But some folks were acting like Tyrese is stupid and delusional for having that goal.

Rhody15 wrote: ↑4 years ago If the rule doesn"t pass and Tyrese applies for a waiver to play right away, I would loooooove to see how Hurley and UConn spinzone it to make it sound like Tyrese should be eligible immediately.

Probably the same way that Cox would try to spin it for the Mitchell's and Malik.

sf2010 wrote: ↑4 years ago

Rhody15 wrote: ↑4 years ago If the rule doesn"t pass and Tyrese applies for a waiver to play right away, I would loooooove to see how Hurley and UConn spinzone it to make it sound like Tyrese should be eligible immediately.

Probably the same way that Cox would try to spin it for the Mitchell's and Malik.

Nah, Cox would probably try to spin it with the twins that they were forced out, almost suspended, etc. Nothing of the sort can be said about Tyrese.

sf2010 wrote: ↑4 years ago I think it's absurd how some folks are questioning Tyrese's drive and determination. Nobody knows him personally here (obviously myself included) - so how the hell would you know that Tyrese doesn't have the drive and determination that Jared Terrell did, aside from the fact that Jared wore his emotions on his sleeve on the court and Tyrese doesn't? Just absurd.

Also, no one is trying to say that Tyrese is a better NBA prospect than Jared was. But some folks were acting like Tyrese is stupid and delusional for having that goal.

I see it with my 2 eyes. Jared Terrell never took an offensive or especially, a defensive possession off.

Then we saw different things, Billyboy - or rather, you feel more comfortable making inferences about someone's personality traits based upon how they express emotion on a basketball court.

There were some things for sure that I wish Tyrese did differently on the court (make a couple more 3s would've been nice, pass a bit more on the break) - but isn't one of the most overused basketball axioms about how rebounding is about desire and who wants the ball more? Tyrese is objectively a great rebounder. He wouldn't have gotten to be that way if he was as constantly disinterested and such a slacker as some here are making him out to be.

I think it's unknowable (and thus absurd to question) if Tyrese gave his best at all times. We also don't know that Jared did do that. We just remember his demonstrative moments because he frequently did act that way on the court.

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 years ago NBA? Really?

I posted Tyrese's comments with the intention of getting discussion on the important points Tyrese made. His goal of the NBA was NOT one of them, so I think you are off the mark here which is the case with others.

The salient point is not whether Tyrese is NBA material or not, but in his opinion he could get the resources and help to make that transition at UConn and NOT URI. Funny how threads get derailed.

sf2010 wrote: ↑4 years ago Then we saw different things, Billyboy - or rather, you feel more comfortable making inferences about someone's personality traits based upon how they express emotion on a basketball court.

There were some things for sure that I wish Tyrese did differently on the court (make a couple more 3s would've been nice, pass a bit more on the break) - but isn't one of the most overused basketball axioms about how rebounding is about desire and who wants the ball more? Tyrese is objectively a great rebounder. He wouldn't have gotten to be that way if he was as constantly disinterested and such a slacker as some here are making him out to be.

I think it's unknowable (and thus absurd to question) if Tyrese gave his best at all times. We also don't know that Jared did do that. We just remember his demonstrative moments because he frequently did act that way on the court.

Jared worked his ass off on defense. I can say that with 100% confidence. I have as much confidence saying that Tyrese often did not.

This thread is embarrassing. Some of you sound like jilted teenage lovers instead of grown adults.

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 years ago
Jared worked his ass off on defense. I can say that with 100% confidence. I have as much confidence saying that Tyrese often did not.

Jared was a great defender - for sure. Probably much of it due to effort and desire. Definitely a better defender than Tyrese.

Tyrese - average defender in my book. Was it because he didn't try or took possessions off? I can't speak to that. Just as likely (more likely) to me it's because he lacked the lateral quickness and footspeed that Jared had, or had a lower basketball IQ and got caught off-guard by cuts more frequently. Those things fall into the "skill" bucket and not the "Drive and Determination" bucket.

Lets close this.

And everyone lived happily ever after.

The End.

Shut it down!

Wait! Whay if Tyrese decides to come back?

Maybe I need to read this thread again, but i'm not sure I'm getting that people are questioning whether Tyrese himself has NBA aspirations (even though he clearly just stated that in the Courant piece), in fact I'd expect every D1 athlete to have similar aspirations, i'd question their desire if they didn't. However, just because Tyrese has NBA aspirations doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to give opinions of why he wont sniff the NBA. Your not going to find many 6'6" guards on NBA rosters who cant shoot or pass or guard on every possession, i'm also fairly certain that his strength of crashing the boards will be somewhat negated by playing against bigger players (even in the BE). Look, this is not to bash on Tyrese, I really wish he stayed at URI, he's a nice player for an A10 level team and I wish him all the best at UConn, but his ceiling for pro ball will be overseas at best.

Yeah, I gave my opinion on why I didn't think he's an NBA player and not even close to the player that Jared Terrell is. Because of that, I'm a 'jilted lover'. I thought these boards were to discuss things like this. He has the right to transfer. I'm fine with that and never said i wasn't. I guess I should just keep my opinion to myself.

As I said the vitriol is understandable he went over to URI public enemy no 2.

I strongly disagree with many takes here regarding T Martin skill set and overall performance believing he had a very high ceiling at URI with potential to develop into a all time great Ram. A lot of posters that I highly respect like Billyboy78 see it differently which I find interesting.

A top URI student athlete going to hated uConn has kicked this thread into overdrive. Only a transfer to PC (and maybe ASU) would have compared.

The level of unhappiness is expected. As a kid I might have hated uConn even more than PC.

Let it run, the hate is completely justified.

I just hope UCoNN sucks again this year

If we get Fatts back and everyone is eligible we may be better than this year

Questioning whether he is good enough for NBA = fair
Questioning his ambitions to be an NBA player = weak sauce

Also evaluating a player after their sophomore year is littered with flaws. Players improve, get better awareness and bball IQ, hone their skills. What can't change, for the most part, are their physical attributes. Tyrese is a strong 6'6" with above average athleticism. To say he has no chance is disingenuous or just dumb. Will be a great case study in talent development - 2 years with Cox, 2 years with Hurley. Let's revisit in couple years.

adam914 wrote: ↑4 years ago Can we please stop being so whiny and naive about all this. Its such a bad look for the fanbase.

Whiny? We’re in the same state as the mental hospital, so don’t confuse us with them.

I just read the NCAA's rules on a coach from another school contacting a player in a four year program.

The only way Hurley could contact Martin is if Martin had given him written permission on an NCAA form. If the contact was made without Martin's written permission it is a violation.........this also applies to family contact.

CTRamfan wrote: ↑4 years ago I just read the NCAA's rules on a coach from another school contacting a player in a four year program.

The only way Hurley could contact Martin is if Martin had given him written permission on an NCAA form. If the contact was made without Martin's written permission it is a violation.........this also applies to family contact.

Thanks for the rule explanation BUT

Do you really believe that the UConn family plays by the rules?? (see Dan Hurley, Jason Adams, Tom Moore) etc etc

McRam wrote: ↑4 years ago

CTRamfan wrote: ↑4 years ago I just read the NCAA's rules on a coach from another school contacting a player in a four year program.

The only way Hurley could contact Martin is if Martin had given him written permission on an NCAA form. If the contact was made without Martin's written permission it is a violation.........this also applies to family contact.

Thanks for the rule explanation BUT

Do you really believe that the UConn family plays by the rules?? (see Dan Hurley, Jason Adams, Tom Moore) etc etc

Or...that Tyrese (or any player) would rat out a tamperer?

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 years ago

McRam wrote: ↑4 years ago

CTRamfan wrote: ↑4 years ago I just read the NCAA's rules on a coach from another school contacting a player in a four year program.

The only way Hurley could contact Martin is if Martin had given him written permission on an NCAA form. If the contact was made without Martin's written permission it is a violation.........this also applies to family contact.

Thanks for the rule explanation BUT

Do you really believe that the UConn family plays by the rules?? (see Dan Hurley, Jason Adams, Tom Moore) etc etc

Or...that Tyrese (or any player) would rat out a tamperer?

If CTRamfan is correct, i would imagine that any written permission would have to be filed with the NCAA. So if Tyrese is already admitting that Dan contacted him often, it should take just a simple check with the NCAA to verify that permission was granted.

RhodyRam86 wrote: ↑4 years ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 years ago

McRam wrote: ↑4 years ago

Thanks for the rule explanation BUT

Do you really believe that the UConn family plays by the rules?? (see Dan Hurley, Jason Adams, Tom Moore) etc etc

Or...that Tyrese (or any player) would rat out a tamperer?

If CTRamfan is correct, i would imagine that any written permission would have to be filed with the NCAA. So if Tyrese is already admitting that Dan contacted him often, it should take just a simple check with the NCAA to verify that permission was granted.

OK...so...who presses that investigation? URI? Kinda don't think so....

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 years ago

RhodyRam86 wrote: ↑4 years ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 years ago

Or...that Tyrese (or any player) would rat out a tamperer?

If CTRamfan is correct, i would imagine that any written permission would have to be filed with the NCAA. So if Tyrese is already admitting that Dan contacted him often, it should take just a simple check with the NCAA to verify that permission was granted.

OK...so...who presses that investigation? URI? Kinda don't think so....

I thought the school had to give permission? So why did URI give permission?

I think is absurd to think coaches cannot talk to players they have known for many years and even recruited said player to URI. How is it even legal? Can he send a Christmas or Birthday card? Only in NCAA does this happen.

Don’t know why so many are upset over possible tampering when it sounds like most did not like Tyrese anyway. Surprising to me because I thought he was liked as a player here. I wish he had stayed but it’s a new college Basketball world. Mid major basketball is in for a rough next 5 years

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 years ago Yeah, I gave my opinion on why I didn't think he's an NBA player and not even close to the player that Jared Terrell is. Because of that, I'm a 'jilted lover'. I thought these boards were to discuss things like this. He has the right to transfer. I'm fine with that and never said i wasn't. I guess I should just keep my opinion to myself.

Terrell is a bit undersized and not really quick enough for the NBA. He's also not a good enough shooter to overcome those issues. If you compare Terrell's and Martin's sophomore seasons by the numbers, they're really not that much different so Martin does have time to improve on things.

Also NBA potential doesn't necessarily line up with how someone plays in college. Toppin probably has more NBA potential than Fatts strictly due to his size, length, and athleticism.

Martin on Hurley:

Tyrese Martin on Hurley


“I was hearing from him often,” Martin said. "Even when it wasn’t about basketball, he was just concerned about my family and he always talked about helping me be a better person. Things like that stick out the most to me. He wasn’t just worried about the basketball aspect of a kid.”

I’m sure Hurley probably let Cox know what was going on and probably spun it that I won’t do anything if it hurts our relationship, etc. Cox probably said don’t worry about it. Who knows how long they have been talking. You would think during the season Hurley would be e we worried about his team or players that were recruits or on the transfer portal already.

C’mon, let’s not be naive. Tyrese did not play for Hurley. He was recruited by Hurley, that’s it. Was he even on campus when Hurley was there? What kind of relationship did they build that Hurley was “concerned for his family” so much that he was calling all the time?

I call absolute BS on this. Any respect that I had for Hurley is GONE! He plain old groomed and poached him, that’s all.

RhodyRam86 wrote: ↑4 years ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 years ago

McRam wrote: ↑4 years ago

Thanks for the rule explanation BUT

Do you really believe that the UConn family plays by the rules?? (see Dan Hurley, Jason Adams, Tom Moore) etc etc

Or...that Tyrese (or any player) would rat out a tamperer?

If CTRamfan is correct, i would imagine that any written permission would have to be filed with the NCAA. So if Tyrese is already admitting that Dan contacted him often, it should take just a simple check with the NCAA to verify that permission was granted.

It's a strange world we live in when college basketball coaches need burner phones (like drug dealers) so their phone records can not implicate them.

Like ramster has said, tampering is everywhere, and cannot possibly be monitored or controlled.

With the new rule, it will become even more prevalent.

Who's to say we don't do it? Like I said, if you're not cheating, you're not trying!

Will be interesting to see if Martin starts at UConn. He’ll have Bouknight and Andre Jackson at the 2-3 to compete for minutes with for the next few years. Both highly touted 4 stars.

SandorClegane wrote: ↑4 years ago Will be interesting to see if Martin starts at UConn. He’ll have Bouknight and Andre Jackson at the 2-3 to compete for minutes with for the next few years. Both highly touted 4 stars.

I’d say Tyrese has the edge over an unproven freshman at this point.

Bouknight will obviously start.

Rhody15 wrote: ↑4 years ago

SandorClegane wrote: ↑4 years ago Will be interesting to see if Martin starts at UConn. He’ll have Bouknight and Andre Jackson at the 2-3 to compete for minutes with for the next few years. Both highly touted 4 stars.

I’d say Tyrese has the edge over an unproven freshman at this point.

Bouknight will obviously start.
Don't be surprised if Hurley uses Martin as the" big" forward with three guards on the floor with him. Martin can rebound with most "4s"

and think of the problem that Martin will cause when the typical "4" tries to guard him. This fits with Hurley's general approach.

Rhody15 wrote: ↑4 years ago

SandorClegane wrote: ↑4 years ago Will be interesting to see if Martin starts at UConn. He’ll have Bouknight and Andre Jackson at the 2-3 to compete for minutes with for the next few years. Both highly touted 4 stars.

I’d say Tyrese has the edge over an unproven freshman at this point.

Bouknight will obviously start.

That unproven freshman (Jackson) is really, really good. Slighter than Tyrese, but jumps through the roof and good passer and scorer.
There is also Tyler Polley, a 6'7" wing who shoots 3s and plays D. Still doesn't make sense that he went there unless he truly is ok playing a lesser role but on a team with a higher ceiling.

Andre Jackson did not go to UConn to play behind Tyrese Martin. He's an absolute stud.

steveystuds06 wrote: ↑4 years ago Andre Jackson did not go to UConn to play behind Tyrese Martin. He's an absolute stud.

And I’m sure Tyrese didn’t go to UConn to be a bench player.

It’ll be a battle for sure.

RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑4 years ago

DC_Rams wrote: ↑4 years ago

rhodylaw wrote: ↑4 years ago Except Ryan Preston was worried about his professional career because he was a senior and not getting PT. I think his concern about “family” was that the staff was not worried about what Ryan was doing next year but what the program was doing next year. Tyrese was given the keys to become the star. Jeff, Cyril and Fatts have just outshined him so far.m, but he got the minutes.

Ryan also had off the court issues, how quickly We forget about his suspension.

His suspension was for calling out the coaches for lack of playing time publicly

Nah.... he did something else too....

rhodyfan3000 wrote: ↑4 years ago Tyrese was gonna go to the movies, but then he got high.
He was gonna work on that team building sheet, but then he got high.

Now, he'll be riding the pine at UConn, and he knows why... (why, man?)

yada da da, yada da da, da da da DAAAaaaaaaaa

That is the most excellent play on lyrics I’ve seen in a LONG time

LoveThoseRams wrote: ↑4 years ago

rhodyfan3000 wrote: ↑4 years ago I actually asked a question, stevie.

I asked "what season was that?' I don't recall the article saying it was his first year. Of course, I skimmed through it because it was a load of ____, but I digress.

My point is, this COMPLAINT is something he has been holding onto since before the start of this season, no?

Actually, if it was from his Freshman year, that makes it even worse. He’s been holding on to the fact that he didn’t like the fact that TJ invited the team to go to the movies, after they lost 2 games in a row!! Why, was he going to hit the gym and shoot shots all night like Jeff would have done? From a kid that spent his nights off on Federal Hill in hookah bars instead of in the gym. Give me a break.

There’s no way he was hitting the gym from a random Marriott..

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 years ago Yeah, and when Calhoun was showing up at our practices, I'm sure he was just there to ask Dan about some good restaurants in the area.

Calhoun has a house in South County.

Yes he does in Charlestown, but he was at 4 practices, but who cares now. Hurley left and we have moved on. Nothing we can do about the past or the asshole Calhoun. Trust me Danny is already feeling the heat in CT. My boss has had season tickets to UConn for years and Calhoun sits next to him for the few games each year that he goes too. Calhoun of course likes Dan a lot, but my boss hears all the people who come up to speak to him when he is at the games. People are getting antsy with Dan and the last 5 minutes of must games the fans are complaining about Dan's coaching. Calhoun tells them to give it time, but many of them are not happy. I would say 2 years from now if the program is still struggling then they can complain and Dan could be in for a tough time

WIth all the butthurtness going on in this thread - I will once again pose this question, which is the most important of all.

What are we not doing to keep players around?

I don't care about where players go, what relationships they have...whatever. We need to answer 2 questions for our program moving forward:

What are we not doing as well as other programs?
What can we do to make URI a destination?

Otherwise this bitching is just awful to read. It makes this fanbase look naive and childish.

Why doesn't a starting player feel like he can make the NBA after playing at URI?

Is it the conference?
Is it the TV time?
Is it the NCAA prospects?
Is it the facilities?
Is it the schedules?
Is it the travel perks?
Is it the staff?
Is it the attendance?
Is it the crowd?
Is it the school itself?

Whatever it is - THESE should be the questions we ask ourselves on this board.

Martin is gone. He's a UConn. Why the hell we're sifting through he said/she said and crying tampering without any context...INSTEAD of asking those above questions about ourselves is the problem.

I've NEVER seen an underclassmen starter leave URI to transfer somewhere else. Someone more seasoned than I could probably lend their memory to this, but since I can recall (figure late Penders/early Skinner) I don't EVER remember losing a key piece with a defined role here.

Sure the sport landscape has changed with transfers...Hurley never lost a starter. Baron never lost a starter. Jerry D. Harrick. Skinner. I don't ever remember that happening.

WHY now. We SHOULD be in a high enough level conference, competing for an NCAA spot, with enough nationally relevant games to help our players get to the next level if they're capable.

That's what I want to know. What are we lacking in and why aren't we upping our investment to correct those issues. THAT should be the echo-chamber on this board right now. Demanding accountability for our own failings as a program, and wondering how things have improved or not based on our first NCAA credits to come into this program in almost 2 decades.

Where has that money gone? How has it improved the basketball program? How has it helped our student athletes and coaches?

If we don't address those problems, Rese will only be the first of many to continue to rotate around and through here.

Correct our own problems before we start bitching like jilted teenage lovers.

Preach Blue man! That's what I have been asking. What went wrong. There is obviously wrong with a program when one of your top 2 players returning leaves. He didn't like the school? Didnt like the Coaches? Didn't like standing in the corner for most of the game watching Fatts and know there was more of that coming this year? Didn't think he had everything he needed here to succeed?

There has to be a reason. And going back to your question, I can't remember anyone else ever doing it since the 80's. Now Jerry D years had kids who were probably asked to leave for a few different reasons but not that left on their own.