Re: '24 VA PG Ben Hammond (URI LOI ---> ??? )
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:17 pm
Yeah Zeigler would be a perfect guy for Hammond to learn from for a year. That dude is a stud. Good call PRT.
Next year is all that matters...and SeeBass will be the better playerPeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month agoZakai Zeigler is the starting PGJdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Per 247Sports.com, Tenn lost 7 from their Elite 8 team and added 3 from the portal so far. Between those 3 adds and 6 leftovers, I didn’t see a PG listed.
Hard for me to think they can’t nab a good, experienced PG from the portal with their NIL and PT available at that position. I must have have overlooked one on the current roster ?
Is Barnes open to handing Hammond the keys to the O ?
ETA: I looked at the wrong list. I was only looking at portal additions and subtractions. They still have guards on the roster. Probably one is starting caliber PG.
I think he would be brought in to be the next Zakai Zeigler after he graduates. Makes sense because Zakai is a short PG. They are very similar.
I think Ben would be willing to wait a year. I'd guess he'll commit after he visits.
If he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month agoZakai Zeigler is the starting PGJdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Per 247Sports.com, Tenn lost 7 from their Elite 8 team and added 3 from the portal so far. Between those 3 adds and 6 leftovers, I didn’t see a PG listed.
Hard for me to think they can’t nab a good, experienced PG from the portal with their NIL and PT available at that position. I must have have overlooked one on the current roster ?
Is Barnes open to handing Hammond the keys to the O ?
ETA: I looked at the wrong list. I was only looking at portal additions and subtractions. They still have guards on the roster. Probably one is starting caliber PG.
I think he would be brought in to be the next Zakai Zeigler after he graduates. Makes sense because Zakai is a short PG. They are very similar.
I think Ben would be willing to wait a year. I'd guess he'll commit after he visits.
I guess he only cared about Kenny Johnson? Or guys like Rick Barnes started calling.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoIf he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month agoZakai Zeigler is the starting PGJdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Per 247Sports.com, Tenn lost 7 from their Elite 8 team and added 3 from the portal so far. Between those 3 adds and 6 leftovers, I didn’t see a PG listed.
Hard for me to think they can’t nab a good, experienced PG from the portal with their NIL and PT available at that position. I must have have overlooked one on the current roster ?
Is Barnes open to handing Hammond the keys to the O ?
ETA: I looked at the wrong list. I was only looking at portal additions and subtractions. They still have guards on the roster. Probably one is starting caliber PG.
I think he would be brought in to be the next Zakai Zeigler after he graduates. Makes sense because Zakai is a short PG. They are very similar.
I think Ben would be willing to wait a year. I'd guess he'll commit after he visits.
I don’t think it’s crazy for a program at the level of Tennessee. They are not quite a blue blood team, but they are that next tier. Take your shot to win the starting spot for your sophomore year. I would agree with you if he was going to sit at a crap P5 school.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoIf he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month agoZakai Zeigler is the starting PGJdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Per 247Sports.com, Tenn lost 7 from their Elite 8 team and added 3 from the portal so far. Between those 3 adds and 6 leftovers, I didn’t see a PG listed.
Hard for me to think they can’t nab a good, experienced PG from the portal with their NIL and PT available at that position. I must have have overlooked one on the current roster ?
Is Barnes open to handing Hammond the keys to the O ?
ETA: I looked at the wrong list. I was only looking at portal additions and subtractions. They still have guards on the roster. Probably one is starting caliber PG.
I think he would be brought in to be the next Zakai Zeigler after he graduates. Makes sense because Zakai is a short PG. They are very similar.
I think Ben would be willing to wait a year. I'd guess he'll commit after he visits.
Rothstein ranks Tennessee 18th in too early rankingsrhodylaw wrote: ↑1 month agoI don’t think it’s crazy for a program at the level of Tennessee. They are not quite a blue blood team, but they are that next tier. Take your shot to win the starting spot for your sophomore year. I would agree with you if he was going to sit at a crap P5 school.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoIf he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month ago
Zakai Zeigler is the starting PG
I think he would be brought in to be the next Zakai Zeigler after he graduates. Makes sense because Zakai is a short PG. They are very similar.
I think Ben would be willing to wait a year. I'd guess he'll commit after he visits.
Unless you want (or need) the extra cash now?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoIf he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month agoZakai Zeigler is the starting PGJdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Per 247Sports.com, Tenn lost 7 from their Elite 8 team and added 3 from the portal so far. Between those 3 adds and 6 leftovers, I didn’t see a PG listed.
Hard for me to think they can’t nab a good, experienced PG from the portal with their NIL and PT available at that position. I must have have overlooked one on the current roster ?
Is Barnes open to handing Hammond the keys to the O ?
ETA: I looked at the wrong list. I was only looking at portal additions and subtractions. They still have guards on the roster. Probably one is starting caliber PG.
I think he would be brought in to be the next Zakai Zeigler after he graduates. Makes sense because Zakai is a short PG. They are very similar.
I think Ben would be willing to wait a year. I'd guess he'll commit after he visits.
I know we'll never know, but I wonder how much we were going to give him?NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoUnless you want (or need) the extra cash now?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoIf he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month ago
Zakai Zeigler is the starting PG
I think he would be brought in to be the next Zakai Zeigler after he graduates. Makes sense because Zakai is a short PG. They are very similar.
I think Ben would be willing to wait a year. I'd guess he'll commit after he visits.
Not enough?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoI know we'll never know, but I wonder how much we were going to give him?NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoUnless you want (or need) the extra cash now?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago
If he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.
Not as much as Tennessee or any P5NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoNot enough?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoI know we'll never know, but I wonder how much we were going to give him?
They're about to land Chaz Lanier who is not a PG.ramster wrote: ↑1 month agoRothstein ranks Tennessee 18th in too early rankingsrhodylaw wrote: ↑1 month agoI don’t think it’s crazy for a program at the level of Tennessee. They are not quite a blue blood team, but they are that next tier. Take your shot to win the starting spot for your sophomore year. I would agree with you if he was going to sit at a crap P5 school.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago
If he's going to sit at a P5 this year but his goal is to be at one of those schools, why not come here for a year, play lots of minutes and show how good he is and go P5 next year. He'd rather get more money to sit for a year? I don't know, but to me, that's crazy.
Zeigler is projected starting PG
Top Conference, Rick Barnes a top HC, tough schedule, lots of , back ti just 4 years to play with Covid year gone, no penalty to transfer. Why not take the money now, give P5 your best shot and can always recruit down to mid major later if P5 doesn’t work out.
18. Tennessee
Projected Starting 5:
G Zakai Zeigler
G Jahmai Mashack
G Cameron Carr
F Igor Milicic
C Felix Okpara
Projected Bench: Cade Phillips, Bishop Boswell, Darlinstone Dubar, JP Estrella, Jordan Gainey
Key Newcomers: Bishop Boswell, Darlinstone Dubar (Hofstra), Felix Okpara (Ohio State), Igor Milicic (Charlotte)
Key Losses: Dalton Knecht, Josiah-Jordan James, Santiago Vescovi, Freddie Dillione, Tobe Awaka, Jonas Aidoo
Somebody said it. As far as Ben not going to any Rhody games, do you know where Paul VI was playing at the time when we played GMU or GW? They played teams all over the country.ramster wrote: ↑4 weeks ago I’m not saying that. I’m saying if he can get the money at Tennessee or any other P5 school then go for it.
Also I have said Hammond did not show up at any URI games this season including games in the DMV area with George Mason or George Washington - not a good sign. As time went on and he was not heard from plus he and his team had success at the prestigious Isle of Palms in Ft Myers, plus getting ranked 1st or 2nd Nationally plus having success at the 8 team National Championship it seemed more and more likely to me that he would de-commit from URI.
So I would have been more surprised if he had stayed vs go to greener $$ pastures - regardless of whether Kenny Johnson stayed or not
I fully understand fans bring very disappointed when he bolted if they thought he was going to maintain his commitment.
Looked it up. Conflict for GW and VCU games. No conflict for Saturday Jan 27 game at George Mason. Paul VI had home games on Friday and Sunday so he was in town for the Saturday GMU game.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoSomebody said it. As far as Ben not going to any Rhody games, do you know where Paul VI was playing at the time when we played GMU or GW? They played teams all over the country.ramster wrote: ↑4 weeks ago I’m not saying that. I’m saying if he can get the money at Tennessee or any other P5 school then go for it.
Also I have said Hammond did not show up at any URI games this season including games in the DMV area with George Mason or George Washington - not a good sign. As time went on and he was not heard from plus he and his team had success at the prestigious Isle of Palms in Ft Myers, plus getting ranked 1st or 2nd Nationally plus having success at the 8 team National Championship it seemed more and more likely to me that he would de-commit from URI.
So I would have been more surprised if he had stayed vs go to greener $$ pastures - regardless of whether Kenny Johnson stayed or not
I fully understand fans bring very disappointed when he bolted if they thought he was going to maintain his commitment.
Most of us said he's not a big loss for NEXT year. As a freshman. We also said that many players like Ben tend to leave, go to a high-major, and transfer. And I can promise you that at least one person in our program felt like Ben would not stay here long term because they messaged me that the day we landed Bassy. If we knew Ben would stick around, of course, he's a big loss. It is what it is at this point.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago It's funny how people here were saying he's not that big of a loss, yet now they're saying he could be a starting PG in a P5 conference and a top 20 school by his sophomore year.
The NCAA should do away with the National Letter of Intent. It means nothing now.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoMost of us said he's not a big loss for NEXT year. As a freshman. We also said that many players like Ben tend to leave, go to a high-major, and transfer. And I can promise you that at least one person in our program felt like Ben would not stay here long term because they messaged me that the day we landed Bassy. If we knew Ben would stick around, of course, he's a big loss. It is what it is at this point.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago It's funny how people here were saying he's not that big of a loss, yet now they're saying he could be a starting PG in a P5 conference and a top 20 school by his sophomore year.
It never really meant much anyway though. The vast majority of schools would always let players out of their NLI if they requested it before to.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThe NCAA should do away with the National Letter of Intent. It means nothing now.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoMost of us said he's not a big loss for NEXT year. As a freshman. We also said that many players like Ben tend to leave, go to a high-major, and transfer. And I can promise you that at least one person in our program felt like Ben would not stay here long term because they messaged me that the day we landed Bassy. If we knew Ben would stick around, of course, he's a big loss. It is what it is at this point.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago It's funny how people here were saying he's not that big of a loss, yet now they're saying he could be a starting PG in a P5 conference and a top 20 school by his sophomore year.
I think more kids honored it in the past than they do now. The mindset now is go wherever I please, whenever I please. And no, I didn't complain when Jared did it . It just feels different to me now with the craziness of the portal. No loyalty anymore.adam914 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoIt never really meant much anyway though. The vast majority of schools would always let players out of their NLI if they requested it before to.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThe NCAA should do away with the National Letter of Intent. It means nothing now.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
Most of us said he's not a big loss for NEXT year. As a freshman. We also said that many players like Ben tend to leave, go to a high-major, and transfer. And I can promise you that at least one person in our program felt like Ben would not stay here long term because they messaged me that the day we landed Bassy. If we knew Ben would stick around, of course, he's a big loss. It is what it is at this point.
I think it's always been part of the game, but probably just seems worse now because of the transfers happening along side it. Maybe the numbers are higher though I don't know. The whole NLI process is voluntary anyway. Schools and athletes don't have to participate in it if they don't want to.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoI think more kids honored it in the past than they do now. The mindset now is go wherever I please, whenever I please. And no, I didn't complain when Jared did it . It just feels different to me now with the craziness of the portal. No loyalty anymore.adam914 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoIt never really meant much anyway though. The vast majority of schools would always let players out of their NLI if they requested it before to.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
The NCAA should do away with the National Letter of Intent. It means nothing now.
They ALL were let out of it, if the recruit asked for it.adam914 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoIt never really meant much anyway though. The vast majority of schools would always let players out of their NLI if they requested it before to.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThe NCAA should do away with the National Letter of Intent. It means nothing now.steveystuds06 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
Most of us said he's not a big loss for NEXT year. As a freshman. We also said that many players like Ben tend to leave, go to a high-major, and transfer. And I can promise you that at least one person in our program felt like Ben would not stay here long term because they messaged me that the day we landed Bassy. If we knew Ben would stick around, of course, he's a big loss. It is what it is at this point.
Yes. So what's the point of having it?Jersey77 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThey ALL were let out of it, if the recruit asked for it.adam914 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoIt never really meant much anyway though. The vast majority of schools would always let players out of their NLI if they requested it before to.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
The NCAA should do away with the National Letter of Intent. It means nothing now.
The team and coaches don't really want a player who doesn't want to be there.
Besides if the school doesn't, that creates potentially bad vibes and not a good look with future recruits and their prep coaches.
The NLI did mean more when the players were considered actual "student-athletes" rather than paid professionals.
I guess because of tradition and the recruits like the drama and feel like it is a big deal for them.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoYes. So what's the point of having it?Jersey77 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThey ALL were let out of it, if the recruit asked for it.
The team and coaches don't really want a player who doesn't want to be there.
Besides if the school doesn't, that creates potentially bad vibes and not a good look with future recruits and their prep coaches.
The NLI did mean more when the players were considered actual "student-athletes" rather than paid professionals.
Yeah, I was hesitant to say "all" because I figured someone could probably find a few random cases where maybe they weren't let out of their NLI, so I just went with "vast majority" instead.Jersey77 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThey ALL were let out of it, if the recruit asked for it.adam914 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoIt never really meant much anyway though. The vast majority of schools would always let players out of their NLI if they requested it before to.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
The NCAA should do away with the National Letter of Intent. It means nothing now.
The team and coaches don't really want a player who doesn't want to be there.
Besides if the school doesn't, that creates potentially bad vibes and not a good look with future recruits and their prep coaches.
The NLI did mean more when the players were considered actual "student-athletes" rather than paid professionals.
The point of having it is supposed to be to "close" your recruitment. Once both sides have signed it other schools are not allowed to recruit you any longer. Of course we know coaches break that rule all the time. It also is an agreement that the school will provide the athlete with financial aid for one year.Jersey77 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoI guess because of tradition and the recruits like the drama and feel like it is a big deal for them.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoYes. So what's the point of having it?Jersey77 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
They ALL were let out of it, if the recruit asked for it.
The team and coaches don't really want a player who doesn't want to be there.
Besides if the school doesn't, that creates potentially bad vibes and not a good look with future recruits and their prep coaches.
The NLI did mean more when the players were considered actual "student-athletes" rather than paid professionals.
Yes that was the intent.adam914 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThe point of having it is supposed to be to "close" your recruitment. Once both sides have signed it other schools are not allowed to recruit you any longer. Of course we know coaches break that rule all the time. It also is an agreement that the school will provide the athlete with financial aid for one year.
An NLI seems like when you're selling your house and get an offer. It's a good first step, but means nothing til you walk out of the closing/start the seasonJdrums#3 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago Just thinking off the top of my head regarding players breaking an NLI pledge.
Could the NCAA fine the school that signs the player who breaks his NLI ? For instance, in regards to cbb, if you sign a player who breaks an NLI, the school forfeits one NCAAT credit? And, the credit goes to the school losing the player?
You could have a few exceptions to the rule: family hardship reason, HC leaving or being fired?
I don’t know if something like this is even possible but it may cut down on tampering and encourage these young men to put deeper thought into which program they sign up with to make sure it is the right choice.
Just spit ballin’.
That's what it's become, but it's supposed to be this...."The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution."NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoAn NLI seems like when you're selling your house and get an offer. It's a good first step, but means nothing til you walk out of the closing/start the seasonJdrums#3 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago Just thinking off the top of my head regarding players breaking an NLI pledge.
Could the NCAA fine the school that signs the player who breaks his NLI ? For instance, in regards to cbb, if you sign a player who breaks an NLI, the school forfeits one NCAAT credit? And, the credit goes to the school losing the player?
You could have a few exceptions to the rule: family hardship reason, HC leaving or being fired?
I don’t know if something like this is even possible but it may cut down on tampering and encourage these young men to put deeper thought into which program they sign up with to make sure it is the right choice.
Just spit ballin’.
Now, it's slightly below the level of a 'pinkie swear'?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThat's what it's become, but it's supposed to be this...."The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution."NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoAn NLI seems like when you're selling your house and get an offer. It's a good first step, but means nothing til you walk out of the closing/start the seasonJdrums#3 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago Just thinking off the top of my head regarding players breaking an NLI pledge.
Could the NCAA fine the school that signs the player who breaks his NLI ? For instance, in regards to cbb, if you sign a player who breaks an NLI, the school forfeits one NCAAT credit? And, the credit goes to the school losing the player?
You could have a few exceptions to the rule: family hardship reason, HC leaving or being fired?
I don’t know if something like this is even possible but it may cut down on tampering and encourage these young men to put deeper thought into which program they sign up with to make sure it is the right choice.
Just spit ballin’.
Players today can leave by May 1 after their season is over. Once in Portal they can get offered by any school, even within sane conference, with zero sit out penalty. NIL offers are unlimited and can now be not just a players own Name, Image, Likeness but also get cash from a Collective Pay for Play. The big, big money from the huge ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc media darlings is being protected by the NCAA and I situations themselves - that mother lode of gold will get released as bidding for players increases.NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoNow, it's slightly below the level of a 'pinkie swear'?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoThat's what it's become, but it's supposed to be this...."The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution."NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
An NLI seems like when you're selling your house and get an offer. It's a good first step, but means nothing til you walk out of the closing/start the season
Then don't sign an NLI. Just wait until summer a couple of months school starts and let schools bid on you. Just become part of the portal. You're a free agent along with the 1800 or so college kids.ramster wrote: ↑3 weeks agoPlayers today can leave by May 1 after their season is over. Once in Portal they can get offered by any school, even within sane conference, with zero sit out penalty. NIL offers are unlimited and can now be not just a players own Name, Image, Likeness but also get cash from a Collective Pay for Play. The big, big money from the huge ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc media darlings is being protected by the NCAA and I situations themselves - that mother lode of gold will get released as bidding for players increases.NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoNow, it's slightly below the level of a 'pinkie swear'?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
That's what it's become, but it's supposed to be this...."The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution."
No limit on NIL, no limit on transfers. Even in Portal and “signed” a player can reneg and go to another school or two before the next season starts.
Now take Hammond
He committed early to URI, played his Senior Year, his team achieved #1 in country and he got great publicity.
So “signing” a year early he should be held to that Commitment?
Why?
Nobody else is held to commitments anymore once their season is over so why should a Junior in HS entering his/her senior year be held to that commitment? Because it’s always been that way?
NLI’s will be extinct if they are not extinct already.
Can’t give Freshmen, Sophomores, Juniors, Grad Students and even JUCO’s freedom to sign anywhere after their season is over but keep the old fashioned NLI’s for HS Juniors in place - lawyers will have a field day with that. Plus it’s not fair anyway.
Ramster, I don’t think Hammond should be held to the commitment but I do believe strongly that he should not have made the commitment unless he was willing to honor it. In other words, if there was the smallest chance he could change his mind then, he should not have committed. I wouldn’t question that approach; I think it shows maturity.ramster wrote: ↑3 weeks agoPlayers today can leave by May 1 after their season is over. Once in Portal they can get offered by any school, even within sane conference, with zero sit out penalty. NIL offers are unlimited and can now be not just a players own Name, Image, Likeness but also get cash from a Collective Pay for Play. The big, big money from the huge ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc media darlings is being protected by the NCAA and I situations themselves - that mother lode of gold will get released as bidding for players increases.NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑4 weeks agoNow, it's slightly below the level of a 'pinkie swear'?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 weeks ago
That's what it's become, but it's supposed to be this...."The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution."
No limit on NIL, no limit on transfers. Even in Portal and “signed” a player can reneg and go to another school or two before the next season starts.
Now take Hammond
He committed early to URI, played his Senior Year, his team achieved #1 in country and he got great publicity.
So “signing” a year early he should be held to that Commitment?
Why?
Nobody else is held to commitments anymore once their season is over so why should a Junior in HS entering his/her senior year be held to that commitment? Because it’s always been that way?
NLI’s will be extinct if they are not extinct already.
Can’t give Freshmen, Sophomores, Juniors, Grad Students and even JUCO’s freedom to sign anywhere after their season is over but keep the old fashioned NLI’s for HS Juniors in place - lawyers will have a field day with that. Plus it’s not fair anyway.
Yep.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑3 weeks agoThen don't sign an NLI. Just wait until summer a couple of months school starts and let schools bid on you. Just become part of the portal. You're a free agent along with the 1800 or so college kids.ramster wrote: ↑3 weeks agoPlayers today can leave by May 1 after their season is over. Once in Portal they can get offered by any school, even within sane conference, with zero sit out penalty. NIL offers are unlimited and can now be not just a players own Name, Image, Likeness but also get cash from a Collective Pay for Play. The big, big money from the huge ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc media darlings is being protected by the NCAA and I situations themselves - that mother lode of gold will get released as bidding for players increases.
No limit on NIL, no limit on transfers. Even in Portal and “signed” a player can reneg and go to another school or two before the next season starts.
Now take Hammond
He committed early to URI, played his Senior Year, his team achieved #1 in country and he got great publicity.
So “signing” a year early he should be held to that Commitment?
Why?
Nobody else is held to commitments anymore once their season is over so why should a Junior in HS entering his/her senior year be held to that commitment? Because it’s always been that way?
NLI’s will be extinct if they are not extinct already.
Can’t give Freshmen, Sophomores, Juniors, Grad Students and even JUCO’s freedom to sign anywhere after their season is over but keep the old fashioned NLI’s for HS Juniors in place - lawyers will have a field day with that. Plus it’s not fair anyway.
Reasonable thoughts. But I think the huge changes of individually generated NIL, big Pie NIL to be distributed and no limitations to transfer have benefited all College players but little gas changed for the High School players. Since there are no longer any rules, no limits for College players seems ironic we still expect HS Juniors and Seniors to have contractual obligations.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 weeks agoRamster, I don’t think Hammond should be held to the commitment but I do believe strongly that he should not have made the commitment unless he was willing to honor it. In other words, if there was the smallest chance he could change his mind then, he should not have committed. I wouldn’t question that approach; I think it shows maturity.ramster wrote: ↑3 weeks agoPlayers today can leave by May 1 after their season is over. Once in Portal they can get offered by any school, even within sane conference, with zero sit out penalty. NIL offers are unlimited and can now be not just a players own Name, Image, Likeness but also get cash from a Collective Pay for Play. The big, big money from the huge ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc media darlings is being protected by the NCAA and I situations themselves - that mother lode of gold will get released as bidding for players increases.
No limit on NIL, no limit on transfers. Even in Portal and “signed” a player can reneg and go to another school or two before the next season starts.
Now take Hammond
He committed early to URI, played his Senior Year, his team achieved #1 in country and he got great publicity.
So “signing” a year early he should be held to that Commitment?
Why?
Nobody else is held to commitments anymore once their season is over so why should a Junior in HS entering his/her senior year be held to that commitment? Because it’s always been that way?
NLI’s will be extinct if they are not extinct already.
Can’t give Freshmen, Sophomores, Juniors, Grad Students and even JUCO’s freedom to sign anywhere after their season is over but keep the old fashioned NLI’s for HS Juniors in place - lawyers will have a field day with that. Plus it’s not fair anyway.
These (signing an NLI) are important decisions that should not be taken lightly. How do young people learn if they are not taught there are consequences (for themselves and for others) to their decisions ?
Maybe the window for signing NLI’s should be addressed to avoid such situations. For example, a prep student can’t commit to a school until his Sr season ends or until June 1st following of his Sr season ?
I don’t know…I guess I am just older and hence old fashioned.
ETA: Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
PS. ETA means edited to add ? That’s what I always took it as when seeing a later addition to a post. In response to NHramfan’s question.
I think it's simple. He blew up his senior year, was getting compliments from guys like Calipari, and realized he could make a lot more money somewhere else. Can't blame him. But once again, don't sign an NLI.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 weeks ago Ramster, out of sincere curiosity on my part, do you know for a fact that Hammond is doing what is best for his family or are you making an assumption ?
I don’t know his background, his family situation, his family’s financial situation, etc. which is why I ask.
I get disappointed, frustrated and joke around on here when a young man breaks a commitment to Rhody - heck, I am not perfect; just an imperfect fan on a fan board. But, I understand it better when and where there are hardship circumstances.
It's exactly that simple. And not seeing him at a single game plus not hearing much of anything from him on social media I came to the opinion 4-6 months ago that he was not going to be suited up in November.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑3 weeks agoI think it's simple. He blew up his senior year, was getting compliments from guys like Calipari, and realized he could make a lot more money somewhere else. Can't blame him. But once again, don't sign an NLI.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 weeks ago Ramster, out of sincere curiosity on my part, do you know for a fact that Hammond is doing what is best for his family or are you making an assumption ?
I don’t know his background, his family situation, his family’s financial situation, etc. which is why I ask.
I get disappointed, frustrated and joke around on here when a young man breaks a commitment to Rhody - heck, I am not perfect; just an imperfect fan on a fan board. But, I understand it better when and where there are hardship circumstances.
Yes, with all the national exposure he got with Paul V1 and their success, better opportunities opened up for him.ramster wrote: ↑3 weeks agoIt's exactly that simple. And not seeing him at a single game plus not hearing much of anything from him on social media I came to the opinion 4-6 months ago that he was not going to be suited up in November.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑3 weeks agoI think it's simple. He blew up his senior year, was getting compliments from guys like Calipari, and realized he could make a lot more money somewhere else. Can't blame him. But once again, don't sign an NLI.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 weeks ago Ramster, out of sincere curiosity on my part, do you know for a fact that Hammond is doing what is best for his family or are you making an assumption ?
I don’t know his background, his family situation, his family’s financial situation, etc. which is why I ask.
I get disappointed, frustrated and joke around on here when a young man breaks a commitment to Rhody - heck, I am not perfect; just an imperfect fan on a fan board. But, I understand it better when and where there are hardship circumstances.
I don't blame him for seeking greener pastures. Best of luck.
Don't know why this hit so many here by surprise and why the anger towards him.
I kept my doubts about him showing here for the start of school quiet because no need to share while he was still committed.
Thomas is a more than adequate replacement with 3 years experience imho.