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NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

adam914 wrote: ↑3 months ago Does Bobby still love his horse racing to? Perfect fit there in Louisville. I'm mostly joking, but do agree that Bobby to Louisville would seem to make a lot of sense for them if he's interested.

I kind of think you have it backwards - Louisville is going to be interested in a guy that Arizona State shitcans? I think Bobby is going to have to "settle" for a mid-major job or an undesirable power conference job (DePaul or something similar).

As previously noted, Louisville is/should be desperate...Bobby would be a huge hit for them (huge)

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

adam914 wrote: ↑3 months ago Does Bobby still love his horse racing to? Perfect fit there in Louisville. I'm mostly joking, but do agree that Bobby to Louisville would seem to make a lot of sense for them if he's interested.

I kind of think you have it backwards - Louisville is going to be interested in a guy that Arizona State shitcans? I think Bobby is going to have to "settle" for a mid-major job or an undesirable power conference job (DePaul or something similar).

As previously noted, Louisville is/should be desperate...Bobby would be a huge hit for them (huge)

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

I kind of think you have it backwards - Louisville is going to be interested in a guy that Arizona State shitcans? I think Bobby is going to have to "settle" for a mid-major job or an undesirable power conference job (DePaul or something similar).

As previously noted, Louisville is/should be desperate...Bobby would be a huge hit for them (huge)

Agree makes a lot of sense , Louisville is a mess right now and Bobby would be in the ACC

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

I kind of think you have it backwards - Louisville is going to be interested in a guy that Arizona State shitcans? I think Bobby is going to have to "settle" for a mid-major job or an undesirable power conference job (DePaul or something similar).

As previously noted, Louisville is/should be desperate...Bobby would be a huge hit for them (huge)

"Great news guys! We just hired the brother and son of great coaches that got fired from Arizona State!" I mean, I think Louisville could do way worse, but I don't think Bobby Hurley is going to be a really sexy hire for a power conference team. I sure would selfishly like an Atlantic 10 team to give him an Archie Miller-like package to coach there, though.

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

As previously noted, Louisville is/should be desperate...Bobby would be a huge hit for them (huge)

"Great news guys! We just hired the brother and son of great coaches that got fired from Arizona State!" I mean, I think Louisville could do way worse, but I don't think Bobby Hurley is going to be a really sexy hire for a power conference team. I sure would selfishly like an Atlantic 10 team to give him an Archie Miller-like package to coach there, though.

Like SLU if they dump Ford and if Bobby’s available ?

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

As previously noted, Louisville is/should be desperate...Bobby would be a huge hit for them (huge)

"Great news guys! We just hired the brother and son of great coaches that got fired from Arizona State!" I mean, I think Louisville could do way worse, but I don't think Bobby Hurley is going to be a really sexy hire for a power conference team. I sure would selfishly like an Atlantic 10 team to give him an Archie Miller-like package to coach there, though.

SG, Like SLU if they dump Ford and if Bobby’s available ?

PlayMikeMotenMore wrote: ↑3 months ago

PeterRamTime wrote: ↑3 months ago

Blue Man wrote: ↑3 months ago

Certainly fair, but I’ve always held the belief that those first 2 years are more indicative of the past guy than the present guy.

So UNC going from preseason top 5 to no birth was an instant wake up call that the luster of Tar Heel legend had worn off a bit.

I’m certainly not arguing how great they have been historically as a program, but Hubert Davis ain’t Roy Williams or Dean Smith.

Always wondered how Roy Williams would have done if he wasn't handed the two of the easiest coaching jobs in the history of college basketball. Roy had an NIT team in there as well and could never win a title at Kansas. I would say Hubert has a chance to be as good as Roy. Just out athlete and talent everyone. That's UNC basketball lol.

Handed the "two easiest coaching jobs in the history college basketball?" First off, the guy paid his dues. He wasn't handed anything. (You could make the case that Dan Hurley was handed head coaching jobs off his dad's and brother's name.)

KU was going on probation when he took over. Kansas has been made into a great job. It wasn't in the early 1980's and Larry Brown was not dominating the Big 8 when was coaching there. (Billy Tubbs at OU and Norm Stewart at Mizzou were great.) Kansas is not a great spot for recruiting.

If UNC is so easy, how come Matt Doherty blew it? And Hubert Davis laid an egg last year? The resources are great but so are the expectations. It's not as easy you might think.

Shouldn't St. John's have been an easy job all these years? Is UCLA easy? Indiana?

Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 months ago If the Louisville job opens up, I wouldn't be surprised if they try and make a run at Mike Cronin.
Doubt he would leave UCLA, but he is from the area and was an assistant at Louisville and HC at nearby Cincy.

Also this off-season once jobs begin to open, I wouldn't be surprised to hear Pat Kelsey's name in some conversations for the opportunity to trade-up.

RF1 wrote: ↑3 months ago Would Bobby Hurley be a hot coaching commodity for a high profile historically premier program right now? He has been a head coach for eleven seasons (counting this year) at two schools (Buffalo & Arizona St). Unless he wins his conference tournament in March, he will have made it to the NCAA four times with zero tournament wins. His teams have not even qualified for the NIT in the other seven seasons (would look to be the case this year as his team is presently 11-12 with NET of #135). His overall head coaching record is 193-145 (.571).

While he is certainly a decent coach, I think it would be a stretch given his track record to call him a great coach. Would a program such as Louisville, with multiple national championships and an extensive NCAA Tournament history hire such a candidate? I would think he would be a more serious applicant at Depaul, given its dearth of success in recent decades.

Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 months ago If the Louisville job opens up, I wouldn't be surprised if they try and make a run at Mick Cronin.
Doubt he would leave UCLA, but he is from the area and was an assistant at Louisville and HC at nearby Cincy.

Also this off-season once jobs begin to open, I wouldn't be surprised to hear Pat Kelsey's name in some conversations for the opportunity to trade-up.

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 months ago If the Louisville job opens up, I wouldn't be surprised if they try and make a run at Mick Cronin.
Doubt he would leave UCLA, but he is from the area and was an assistant at Louisville and HC at nearby Cincy.

Also this off-season once jobs begin to open, I wouldn't be surprised to hear Pat Kelsey's name in some conversations for the opportunity to trade-up.

That’s a really good idea that I didn’t think of , can he get a compensation package equal to what he’s making @ UCLA ?

PeterRamTime wrote: ↑3 months ago

PlayMikeMotenMore wrote: ↑3 months ago

PeterRamTime wrote: ↑3 months ago
Always wondered how Roy Williams would have done if he wasn't handed the two of the easiest coaching jobs in the history of college basketball. Roy had an NIT team in there as well and could never win a title at Kansas. I would say Hubert has a chance to be as good as Roy. Just out athlete and talent everyone. That's UNC basketball lol.

Handed the "two easiest coaching jobs in the history college basketball?" First off, the guy paid his dues. He wasn't handed anything. (You could make the case that Dan Hurley was handed head coaching jobs off his dad's and brother's name.)

KU was going on probation when he took over. Kansas has been made into a great job. It wasn't in the early 1980's and Larry Brown was not dominating the Big 8 when was coaching there. (Billy Tubbs at OU and Norm Stewart at Mizzou were great.) Kansas is not a great spot for recruiting.

If UNC is so easy, how come Matt Doherty blew it? And Hubert Davis laid an egg last year? The resources are great but so are the expectations. It's not as easy you might think.

Shouldn't St. John's have been an easy job all these years? Is UCLA easy? Indiana?

Um

Why didn't you mention he took the Kansas job right after they won a NATIONAL TITLE? One year post season ban at Kansas? Oh golly the cards were so stacked against him! And Kansas has been made into a great job? WHAT!? Are you serious? Yeah it was made alright...by the dude who INVENTED BASKETBALL ironically, with James Naismaith, it was the only time Kansas basketball wasn't dominant. They've been dominate since 1907-08. They have only had eight losing seasons since 1907-08 PMM lolol Kansas IS college basketball. Amazing that Roy was able to "rebuild" at the second winningest program ever. Larry Brown may not have "dominated" the big 8, but he still won the big 8 tournament title in his first year and a regular season title in his 3rd year. 5 NCAA app in 5 years...2 round of 32 app, 1 swt 16, 2 final fours and 1 national title the year before Roy got there.

Matt Doherty won an ACC regular season title his first year, NIT his third and last year. Roy Williams comes back to UNC and goes "hey you guys know Michael Jordan right? Yeah I recruited him! Wanna come to Carolina where we have only had two down years in 40 years? North Carolina the 3rd winningest program in the history of college basketball?" He still inherited Raymond Felton, Jawad Williams, Melvin Scott, Jackie Manuel, Rashad McCants, Sean May and David Noel from his first title team at UNC.

Sure Roy worked hard, but he was fortunate Dean Smith let him tag along. His resume just isn't as impressive when you started your coaching journey at the top. I also never said he was a bad coach. Just not that impressive. He capitalized on pretty much the easiest path you could possibly have.

Definitely not equivalent to Dan Hurley being handed the St Benedicts job afterrrrr being good enough to be the starting PG at Seton Hall and being an assistant coach at Rutgers. St Benedicts, Wagner, Rhody, UConn and then national title is obviously very different than being UNC assistant, Kansas HC, UNC HC. We have no idea if Roy Williams could go from a high school, to Wagner, URI and then an actual self made blueblood like UConn and win a title. He's had practically zero obstacles compared to just about everyone else. That is completely insane to compare Dan and Roy like that lolol

St John's is nothing compared to UNC and Kansas. Yes UCLA is easy and Indiana isn't that easy after Bob Knight, but even Archie stumbled into a would be tournament berth in the covid year. Is winning at places like URI easier than a blueblood? Does the pressure to win big with all the tradition imaginable and every resource imaginable outweigh they alternative? Yeah no. The foundations laid at your respective bluebloods inherently makes it easier to win and win big. Back to St John's

My point still stands. Hubert just needs to recruit at the easiest place to recruit and have average x's and o's and he can win title's. Handed the keys to a lamborghini.

PlayMikeMotenMore wrote: ↑3 months ago

PeterRamTime wrote: ↑3 months ago

PlayMikeMotenMore wrote: ↑3 months ago

Handed the "two easiest coaching jobs in the history college basketball?" First off, the guy paid his dues. He wasn't handed anything. (You could make the case that Dan Hurley was handed head coaching jobs off his dad's and brother's name.)

KU was going on probation when he took over. Kansas has been made into a great job. It wasn't in the early 1980's and Larry Brown was not dominating the Big 8 when was coaching there. (Billy Tubbs at OU and Norm Stewart at Mizzou were great.) Kansas is not a great spot for recruiting.

If UNC is so easy, how come Matt Doherty blew it? And Hubert Davis laid an egg last year? The resources are great but so are the expectations. It's not as easy you might think.

Shouldn't St. John's have been an easy job all these years? Is UCLA easy? Indiana?

Um

Why didn't you mention he took the Kansas job right after they won a NATIONAL TITLE? One year post season ban at Kansas? Oh golly the cards were so stacked against him! And Kansas has been made into a great job? WHAT!? Are you serious? Yeah it was made alright...by the dude who INVENTED BASKETBALL ironically, with James Naismaith, it was the only time Kansas basketball wasn't dominant. They've been dominate since 1907-08. They have only had eight losing seasons since 1907-08 PMM lolol Kansas IS college basketball. Amazing that Roy was able to "rebuild" at the second winningest program ever. Larry Brown may not have "dominated" the big 8, but he still won the big 8 tournament title in his first year and a regular season title in his 3rd year. 5 NCAA app in 5 years...2 round of 32 app, 1 swt 16, 2 final fours and 1 national title the year before Roy got there.

Matt Doherty won an ACC regular season title his first year, NIT his third and last year. Roy Williams comes back to UNC and goes "hey you guys know Michael Jordan right? Yeah I recruited him! Wanna come to Carolina where we have only had two down years in 40 years? North Carolina the 3rd winningest program in the history of college basketball?" He still inherited Raymond Felton, Jawad Williams, Melvin Scott, Jackie Manuel, Rashad McCants, Sean May and David Noel from his first title team at UNC.

Sure Roy worked hard, but he was fortunate Dean Smith let him tag along. His resume just isn't as impressive when you started your coaching journey at the top. I also never said he was a bad coach. Just not that impressive. He capitalized on pretty much the easiest path you could possibly have.

Definitely not equivalent to Dan Hurley being handed the St Benedicts job afterrrrr being good enough to be the starting PG at Seton Hall and being an assistant coach at Rutgers. St Benedicts, Wagner, Rhody, UConn and then national title is obviously very different than being UNC assistant, Kansas HC, UNC HC. We have no idea if Roy Williams could go from a high school, to Wagner, URI and then an actual self made blueblood like UConn and win a title. He's had practically zero obstacles compared to just about everyone else. That is completely insane to compare Dan and Roy like that lolol

St John's is nothing compared to UNC and Kansas. Yes UCLA is easy and Indiana isn't that easy after Bob Knight, but even Archie stumbled into a would be tournament berth in the covid year. Is winning at places like URI easier than a blueblood? Does the pressure to win big with all the tradition imaginable and every resource imaginable outweigh they alternative? Yeah no. The foundations laid at your respective bluebloods inherently makes it easier to win and win big. Back to St John's

My point still stands. Hubert just needs to recruit at the easiest place to recruit and have average x's and o's and he can win title's. Handed the keys to a lamborghini.

Kansas basketball was not dominant in the early 70's ('69-'73) nor the early 80's under Ted Owens. Look it up. Larry Brown won a title with Danny Manning, then both Danny and Larry left...and the program was left on probation. Why did so many coaches after John Wooden struggle at UCLA? After all, it was a lamborghini. Just turn the key and go! It's not so easy as you make it out to be.

Dean Smith "let Roy Williams tag along?" Like Roy was being paid to do nothing while he was on the staff? The easiest path? You should read Roy's bio...it wasn't easy. Volunteered to coach at camps, coached a podunk high school for 5 years, etc.

What does being a starting guard at Seton Hall have to do with being qualified to be a coach? Danny was given the Rutgers assistant job because his name was known specifically in NJ and his dad was coaching a high school powerhouse in NJ. There is no debating that. You think Danny was going to work his way up as an assistant at D3 Southern Idaho Tech? He used his name and connections in the area to get coaching jobs that others (not named Hurley) could not get. Kudos to Danny for doing that. That's not a criticism. That's factual. To pretend that Danny wasn't given advantages in the coaching profession is naive. He was more fortunate to be born with the last name Hurley than Roy Williams was to earn his keep at UNC as an assistant, then win big at KU, and deserve a chance to be UNC's coach.

Just because somebody takes over a historically successful program doesn't mean it's an easy job. It means it has history. Past performance is no guarantee for future success. Jon Scheyer, Adrian Autry, Kyle Neptune, Gene Bartow, Joey Meyer, Mike Davis, Billy Gillespie...they can or could've told you how easy it was/is.

steviep123 wrote: ↑3 months ago Chris Holtmann Supposedly out at Ohio State

steviep123 wrote: ↑3 months ago Chris Holtmann Supposedly out at Ohio State

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago

steviep123 wrote: ↑3 months ago Chris Holtmann Supposedly out at Ohio State

According to SI, likely potential replacements are Sean Miller and Lamont Paris at South Carolina, Nate Oats, TJ Otzelberger at Iowa State.

Thanks for posting, StevieP.

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months ago

steviep123 wrote: ↑3 months ago Chris Holtmann Supposedly out at Ohio State

According to SI, likely potential replacements are Sean Miller and Lamont Paris at South Carolina, Nate Oats, TJ Otzelberger at Iowa State.

Thanks for posting, StevieP.

RF1 wrote: ↑3 months ago

steviep123 wrote: ↑3 months ago Chris Holtmann Supposedly out at Ohio State

Holtmann had four years remaining on his contract, which ran through the 2027-28 season. Ohio State still owes Holtmann more than $14 million in guaranteed salary, sources told ESPN.

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago Sounds like Holtmsnn would have to drop down a conference

bigappleram wrote: ↑3 months ago

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago Sounds like Holtmsnn would have to drop down a conference

Some St Louis ppl like him to replace Ford.

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑3 months ago

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago Sounds like Holtmsnn would have to drop down a conference

Some St Louis ppl like him to replace Ford.

Makes sense , he had a really good career @ Butler then started off fine @ Ohio State before struggling the last 2 seasons

If I was a STL fan I wouldn’t hate that hire !

Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 months ago

reef wrote: ↑3 months ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑3 months ago

Some St Louis ppl like him to replace Ford.

Makes sense , he had a really good career @ Butler then started off fine @ Ohio State before struggling the last 2 seasons

If I was a STL fan I wouldn’t hate that hire !

Maybe Chris Mack gets a call from Ohio State, he is also from Ohio.
Besides he had success at Xavier, Thad Matta also from Xavier worked out okay for them.

The Buckeyes will get plenty of interest.

Not sure if Anthony Grant will be mentioned, he is close by.

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago If Juwan Howard gets fired at Michigan, what school do we think is a more attractive basketball job? OSU or UM?

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago If Juwan Howard gets fired at Michigan, what school do we think is a more attractive basketball job? OSU or UM?

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago If Juwan Howard gets fired at Michigan, what school do we think is a more attractive basketball job? OSU or UM?

My initial thought was Michigan, but it's closer than it seems. More historic success, probably slightly more resources, but its not like OSU has been a dumpster fire. In both jobs, the expectation is probably that you get the program to challenging regularly for the national championship, so its not like one job is less pressure than the other.

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago If Juwan Howard gets fired at Michigan, what school do we think is a more attractive basketball job? OSU or UM?

My initial thought was Michigan, but it's closer than it seems. More historic success, probably slightly more resources, but its not like OSU has been a dumpster fire. In both jobs, the expectation is probably that you get the program to challenging regularly for the national championship, so its not like one job is less pressure than the other.

I think Michigan, not that close. The 30 for 30 on espn alone shows the magnitude of what's happened there and seals the deal. Keep the alums in touch (don't fire Howard) and that job will rock for a while

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago If Juwan Howard gets fired at Michigan, what school do we think is a more attractive basketball job? OSU or UM?

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago

My initial thought was Michigan, but it's closer than it seems. More historic success, probably slightly more resources, but its not like OSU has been a dumpster fire. In both jobs, the expectation is probably that you get the program to challenging regularly for the national championship, so its not like one job is less pressure than the other.

I think Michigan, not that close. The 30 for 30 on espn alone shows the magnitude of what's happened there and seals the deal. Keep the alums in touch (don't fire Howard) and that job will rock for a while

I suppose, but the Fab Five was roughly 33 years ago, and you're firing the coach that was associated with it. I think the next coach is going to be unable to use that bridge to the past.

TruePoint wrote: ↑3 months ago https://theathletic.com/5284673/2024/02 ... ed_article

Lol

Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑3 months ago I’m sure the Johnnies will be better next season. Although they’ve done OK.

TruePoint wrote: ↑3 months ago This is not the first time that Pitino has come across as teetering on the edge of his sanity following a game this season. Not too long ago (after losing to UConn, if I’m not mistaken), he made similarly unhinged statements. (Note that in both cases, the thing that makes the statements unhinged isn’t necessarily the accuracy of what he said, but rather that he said it at all - a coach with full control of his mental faculties would not get in front of the media and speak this way). It would not surprise me at all if there is no “next season” for Pitino at St John’s. This is an elderly man who accomplished a great deal in the sport without much more to prove, and one that is clearly suffering at least in terms of his mental and emotional well-being. At what point does it just not make sense to run it back again anymore?

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago

Nightmare first season for Rhoades.

Under .500 in conference, overall, and now this.

Most everyone knew it was strictly a money grab and wasn’t a move for basketball reasons.

He won’t last long there.

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago

Nightmare first season for Rhoades.

Under .500 in conference, overall, and now this.

Most everyone knew it was strictly a money grab and wasn’t a move for basketball reasons.

He won’t last long there.

He'll last as long as they pay him. Well, actually, they might be paying him longer than he lasts there. In any event, good for him.

TruePoint wrote: ↑3 months ago This is not the first time that Pitino has come across as teetering on the edge of his sanity following a game this season. Not too long ago (after losing to UConn, if I’m not mistaken), he made similarly unhinged statements. (Note that in both cases, the thing that makes the statements unhinged isn’t necessarily the accuracy of what he said, but rather that he said it at all - a coach with full control of his mental faculties would not get in front of the media and speak this way). It would not surprise me at all if there is no “next season” for Pitino at St John’s. This is an elderly man who accomplished a great deal in the sport without much more to prove, and one that is clearly suffering at least in terms of his mental and emotional well-being. At what point does it just not make sense to run it back again anymore?

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 months ago

TruePoint wrote: ↑3 months ago This is not the first time that Pitino has come across as teetering on the edge of his sanity following a game this season. Not too long ago (after losing to UConn, if I’m not mistaken), he made similarly unhinged statements. (Note that in both cases, the thing that makes the statements unhinged isn’t necessarily the accuracy of what he said, but rather that he said it at all - a coach with full control of his mental faculties would not get in front of the media and speak this way). It would not surprise me at all if there is no “next season” for Pitino at St John’s. This is an elderly man who accomplished a great deal in the sport without much more to prove, and one that is clearly suffering at least in terms of his mental and emotional well-being. At what point does it just not make sense to run it back again anymore?

Ugh...I'm a Pitino guy, but he needs to stfu...this is just brutal

https://www.wate.com/sports/sports-illu ... -lifetime/

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago

Nightmare first season for Rhoades.

Under .500 in conference, overall, and now this.

Most everyone knew it was strictly a money grab and wasn’t a move for basketball reasons.

He won’t last long there.

PlayMikeMotenMore wrote: ↑3 months ago

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago

Nightmare first season for Rhoades.

Under .500 in conference, overall, and now this.

Most everyone knew it was strictly a money grab and wasn’t a move for basketball reasons.

He won’t last long there.

Nightmare??? Huh? The guy took over a team that went to the Sweet 16 last year and returned zero (zero) impact players. The fact they've got six Big Ten wins and has his team competitive in the Big Ten...to me, this team has overachieved.

PlayMikeMotenMore wrote: ↑3 months ago

Rhody15 wrote: ↑3 months ago

Nightmare first season for Rhoades.

Under .500 in conference, overall, and now this.

Most everyone knew it was strictly a money grab and wasn’t a move for basketball reasons.

He won’t last long there.

Nightmare??? Huh? The guy took over a team that went to the Sweet 16 last year and returned zero (zero) impact players. The fact they've got six Big Ten wins and has his team competitive in the Big Ten...to me, this team has overachieved.