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Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago

STC wrote: ↑1 year ago I'd be interested to know if this is Fatts bypassing the Summer League by choice or whether NBA teams passed him over for Summer League rosters?

Looks like he will be vying for the backup PG role.

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reef wrote: ↑1 year ago JD was great 13 in 1h and 9 assists total

Tyrese 1-9

reef wrote: ↑1 year ago JD was great 13 in 1h and 9 assists total

Tyrese 1-9

spookydog wrote: ↑1 year ago Odom currently in East Greenwich at Water Street Kitchen and Bar. Wondering if he’s going to be on campus.

adam914 wrote: ↑1 year ago Nice night for Tyrese in the summer league.

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 year ago Another good game for Jeff.

adam914 wrote: ↑1 year ago Nice night for Tyrese in the summer league.

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 year ago Not sure if anyone has brought up this comparison before? Anyway, while I was watching Jeff play recently, I was thinking about which NBA player did he remind me of most? I kept thinking of the late Dennis Johnson and here why…

My impression of DJ was that he was not the greatest shooter but was fully capable of making a big shot when called upon (or, he was a great shooter when it counted). He wasn’t the flashiest ball handler. He wasn’t the fanciest passer. He was a top defender. His intangibles were great (leadership qualities, basketball IQ, team attitude, etc.). In short, imho, DJ was a winner and would do whatever the team needed him to do for the team to win.

That is how I see Jeff. He is not the greatest at any skill nor the flashiest, he’s just a winner. He may never attain the level of success, accomplishments, accolades or caliber of player talent of DJ but, to me anyway, he is similar.

DJ took his experience and intangibles to coaching with some success. Maybe Jeff will do the same when his playing days are over. And, who knows…perhaps in 20 years when Archie’s successful run is done here and he rides off into a well deservered retirement, JD will be his successor.

Just some mid-summer thoughts being thrown out to KB land.

reef wrote: ↑1 year ago JD , Tyrese and Jacob may all be in the NBA how crazy is that

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

reef wrote: ↑1 year ago JD , Tyrese and Jacob may all be in the NBA how crazy is that

Yes. All 3 could be in the NBA
And Cox had all 3 in his 2nd year at the helm

Plus he had Fatts, Langevine and Walker

Then he lost 4 of his last 7 conference games with 2 of the 3 wins 1 point squeakers over lowly Fordham and UMASS


Major error was moving Jeff Dowtin off a Point Guard

Plus he didn’t play Toppin as many minutes as he should have.

Ended up losing Martin to UCONN and Toppin to Kentucky.

Those were crucial transfers even before the 1 year sit out rule was waived.

Downhill from there.

Imagine 3 future NBA (possible) plus Langevine, Russell, Walker. Hard to look back at what could have been and how quickly and far this program fell.

SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 year ago Not sure if anyone has brought up this comparison before? Anyway, while I was watching Jeff play recently, I was thinking about which NBA player did he remind me of most? I kept thinking of the late Dennis Johnson and here why…

My impression of DJ was that he was not the greatest shooter but was fully capable of making a big shot when called upon (or, he was a great shooter when it counted). He wasn’t the flashiest ball handler. He wasn’t the fanciest passer. He was a top defender. His intangibles were great (leadership qualities, basketball IQ, team attitude, etc.). In short, imho, DJ was a winner and would do whatever the team needed him to do for the team to win.

That is how I see Jeff. He is not the greatest at any skill nor the flashiest, he’s just a winner. He may never attain the level of success, accomplishments, accolades or caliber of player talent of DJ but, to me anyway, he is similar.

DJ took his experience and intangibles to coaching with some success. Maybe Jeff will do the same when his playing days are over. And, who knows…perhaps in 20 years when Archie’s successful run is done here and he rides off into a well deservered retirement, JD will be his successor.

Just some mid-summer thoughts being thrown out to KB land.

No offense, but this reads like a fever dream of a post. Jeff is a fine player, and the skill he's best at - avoiding turnovers while playing the point - is one that can be overlooked often. But there's no grand conspiracy to keep him out of the NBA here, and there's almost no reasonable comparison from him to DJ, a borderline HoF NBA player that averaged roughly 16 PPG and 6 RPG in his only college season.

Making the NBA is really, really hard. Golden State management is full of pretty good talent evaluators, and saw what he did against Poole and Payton Jr. in practice regularly, and decided to keep those two guys. It's hard to say they were wrong. Tyson Wheeler had even more of a college resume than Jeff, and he barely got a cup of coffee in the league too.

In baseball, there is the concept of a AAAA player. Usually, it's a slugger who can mash minor league pitching, but struggles with the movement that major league pitchers can put on the ball. I kind of fear that Jeff is the basketball version of that, since he can clearly dominate summer league or G-League talent, but he can't create enough in his bursts of action in NBA games. I'd *like* to see him get more chances to excel in NBA regular season games, but the four times he played 15+ minutes in 2021-22 weren't exactly a ringing endorsement - his high was 5 points, 3 assists, 2 steals. To stick on an NBA roster, you have to produce, not just avoid making mistakes.

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

reef wrote: ↑1 year ago JD , Tyrese and Jacob may all be in the NBA how crazy is that

Yes. All 3 could be in the NBA
And Cox had all 3 in his 2nd year at the helm

Plus he had Fatts, Langevine and Walker

Then he lost 4 of his last 7 conference games with 2 of the 3 wins 1 point squeakers over lowly Fordham and UMASS


Major error was moving Jeff Dowtin off a Point Guard

Plus he didn’t play Toppin as many minutes as he should have.

Ended up losing Martin to UCONN and Toppin to Kentucky.

Those were crucial transfers even before the 1 year sit out rule was waived.

Downhill from there.

Imagine 3 future NBA (possible) plus Langevine, Russell, Walker. Hard to look back at what could have been and how quickly and far this program fell.

Okay but let's not dwell on the past.
We have Archie now, so it all worked out for us going forward.

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 year ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 year ago Not sure if anyone has brought up this comparison before? Anyway, while I was watching Jeff play recently, I was thinking about which NBA player did he remind me of most? I kept thinking of the late Dennis Johnson and here why…

My impression of DJ was that he was not the greatest shooter but was fully capable of making a big shot when called upon (or, he was a great shooter when it counted). He wasn’t the flashiest ball handler. He wasn’t the fanciest passer. He was a top defender. His intangibles were great (leadership qualities, basketball IQ, team attitude, etc.). In short, imho, DJ was a winner and would do whatever the team needed him to do for the team to win.

That is how I see Jeff. He is not the greatest at any skill nor the flashiest, he’s just a winner. He may never attain the level of success, accomplishments, accolades or caliber of player talent of DJ but, to me anyway, he is similar.

DJ took his experience and intangibles to coaching with some success. Maybe Jeff will do the same when his playing days are over. And, who knows…perhaps in 20 years when Archie’s successful run is done here and he rides off into a well deservered retirement, JD will be his successor.

Just some mid-summer thoughts being thrown out to KB land.

No offense, but this reads like a fever dream of a post. Jeff is a fine player, and the skill he's best at - avoiding turnovers while playing the point - is one that can be overlooked often. But there's no grand conspiracy to keep him out of the NBA here, and there's almost no reasonable comparison from him to DJ, a borderline HoF NBA player that averaged roughly 16 PPG and 6 RPG in his only college season.

Making the NBA is really, really hard. Golden State management is full of pretty good talent evaluators, and saw what he did against Poole and Payton Jr. in practice regularly, and decided to keep those two guys. It's hard to say they were wrong. Tyson Wheeler had even more of a college resume than Jeff, and he barely got a cup of coffee in the league too.

In baseball, there is the concept of a AAAA player. Usually, it's a slugger who can mash minor league pitching, but struggles with the movement that major league pitchers can put on the ball. I kind of fear that Jeff is the basketball version of that, since he can clearly dominate summer league or G-League talent, but he can't create enough in his bursts of action in NBA games. I'd *like* to see him get more chances to excel in NBA regular season games, but the four times he played 15+ minutes in 2021-22 weren't exactly a ringing endorsement - his high was 5 points, 3 assists, 2 steals. To stick on an NBA roster, you have to produce, not just avoid making mistakes.

SG, No offense taken and I may be suffering from heat stroke - after all, it is pretty hot out. But, if you re-read my post, I purposely added that Jeff is not the same caliber talent. I wasn’t comparing talent, I was comparing style and intangibles.

Neither did I allude to some grand conspiracy keeping JD out of the NBA. I don’t think there is a conspiracy here, I was simply making the comparison as to type of player as in Jeff being a poor man’s DJ style player.

Jeff can be a solid 8-10 minute per game bench piece on the right team if given the chance. I think he could run a second team offense and play some solid defense off the bench.

In the meantime, I have another comparison for you…When I think of a type of NBA player for Tyson, I think Tiny Archibald style type: small/slight build, quick, shooter, penetrator.

Carry on while I go back to sitting with my ice pack on my forehead to keep my temp down.

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

Yes. All 3 could be in the NBA
And Cox had all 3 in his 2nd year at the helm

Plus he had Fatts, Langevine and Walker

Then he lost 4 of his last 7 conference games with 2 of the 3 wins 1 point squeakers over lowly Fordham and UMASS


Major error was moving Jeff Dowtin off a Point Guard

Plus he didn’t play Toppin as many minutes as he should have.

Ended up losing Martin to UCONN and Toppin to Kentucky.

Those were crucial transfers even before the 1 year sit out rule was waived.

Downhill from there.

Imagine 3 future NBA (possible) plus Langevine, Russell, Walker. Hard to look back at what could have been and how quickly and far this program fell.

Okay but let's not dwell on the past.
We have Archie now, so it all worked out for us going forward.

It wasn’t long ago some were posting that Cox was left with an empty cupboard. The past is still hurting us. 4 years of no postseason and even now Miller has to fix the mess Cox left.

I was in the Ryan Center all games, including the last few (even when told here nobody should go). Announced attendance of 4,000 and 5,000 was really only 1,000, maybe stretch to 1,500. It was like a morgue in there. Ask the ushers. They were bored to tears and very disheartened. It was worse I think that the last weeks of Barons last year if you can believe that.

Now with URI picked preseason 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th I don’t see fans coming back in a big way until a winning streak of sort appears.

It’s a shame having gone to back to back NCAA Tournaments and falling so far.

Of course I’ll be there. Was at the last Jim Baron game and the last David Cox game. Very similar team performance and fan apathy.

GO RHODY!

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

Okay but let's not dwell on the past.
We have Archie now, so it all worked out for us going forward.

It wasn’t long ago some were posting that Cox was left with an empty cupboard. The past is still hurting us. 4 years of no postseason and even now Miller has to fix the mess Cox left.

I was in the Ryan Center all games, including the last few (even when told here nobody should go). Announced attendance of 4,000 and 5,000 was really only 1,000, maybe stretch to 1,500. It was like a morgue in there. Ask the ushers. They were bored to tears and very disheartened. It was worse I think that the last weeks of Barons last year if you can believe that.

Now with URI picked preseason 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th I don’t see fans coming back in a big way until a winning streak of sort appears.

It’s a shame having gone to back to back NCAA Tournaments and falling so far.

Of course I’ll be there. Was at the last Jim Baron game and the last David Cox game. Very similar team performance and fan apathy.

GO RHODY!

Ramster it isn't as though we haven't gone through these droughts before.

Yeah it is a shame, but being a Rhody fan for 50+ years, I am used to it.

On the positive side, I never imagined us getting a coach such as Archie.

With the new staff, facility improvements underway, young roster, and general optimism about the program, I feel there will be much fan excitement going into this season

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

It wasn’t long ago some were posting that Cox was left with an empty cupboard. The past is still hurting us. 4 years of no postseason and even now Miller has to fix the mess Cox left.

I was in the Ryan Center all games, including the last few (even when told here nobody should go). Announced attendance of 4,000 and 5,000 was really only 1,000, maybe stretch to 1,500. It was like a morgue in there. Ask the ushers. They were bored to tears and very disheartened. It was worse I think that the last weeks of Barons last year if you can believe that.

Now with URI picked preseason 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th I don’t see fans coming back in a big way until a winning streak of sort appears.

It’s a shame having gone to back to back NCAA Tournaments and falling so far.

Of course I’ll be there. Was at the last Jim Baron game and the last David Cox game. Very similar team performance and fan apathy.

GO RHODY!

Ramster it isn't as though we haven't gone through these droughts before.

Yeah it is a shame, but being a Rhody fan for 50+ years, I am used to it.

On the positive side, I never imagined us getting a coach such as Archie.

With the new staff, facility improvements underway, young roster, and general optimism about the program, I feel there will be much fan excitement going into this season

For the hard core fans like us, yes, there is a lot of excitement. For the average/casual fan, they have no idea who any of these transfers or freshmen are. Some probably don't even know who Archie is. I agree with Ramster for a change. I think it's going to take a lot of winning before we see big crowds at the RC again.

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

Ramster it isn't as though we haven't gone through these droughts before.

Yeah it is a shame, but being a Rhody fan for 50+ years, I am used to it.

On the positive side, I never imagined us getting a coach such as Archie.

With the new staff, facility improvements underway, young roster, and general optimism about the program, I feel there will be much fan excitement going into this season

For the hard core fans like us, yes, there is a lot of excitement. For the average/casual fan, they have no idea who any of these transfers or freshmen are. Some probably don't even know who Archie is. I agree with Ramster for a change. I think it's going to take a lot of winning before we see big crowds at the RC again.

Well yeah winning trumps everything.
I don't expect automatic sell-outs and full crowds immediately.

But I think there will be a lot of curious fans showing up.
Especially if they keep the ticket prices reasonable and free parking, in these troubled economic times.

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

Okay but let's not dwell on the past.
We have Archie now, so it all worked out for us going forward.

It wasn’t long ago some were posting that Cox was left with an empty cupboard. The past is still hurting us. 4 years of no postseason and even now Miller has to fix the mess Cox left.

I was in the Ryan Center all games, including the last few (even when told here nobody should go). Announced attendance of 4,000 and 5,000 was really only 1,000, maybe stretch to 1,500. It was like a morgue in there. Ask the ushers. They were bored to tears and very disheartened. It was worse I think that the last weeks of Barons last year if you can believe that.

Now with URI picked preseason 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th I don’t see fans coming back in a big way until a winning streak of sort appears.

It’s a shame having gone to back to back NCAA Tournaments and falling so far.

Of course I’ll be there. Was at the last Jim Baron game and the last David Cox game. Very similar team performance and fan apathy.

GO RHODY!

Ramster it isn't as though we haven't gone through these droughts before.

Yeah it is a shame, but being a Rhody fan for 50+ years, I am used to it.

On the positive side, I never imagined us getting a coach such as Archie.

With the new staff, facility improvements underway, young roster, and general optimism about the program, I feel there will be much fan excitement going into this season

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

It wasn’t long ago some were posting that Cox was left with an empty cupboard. The past is still hurting us. 4 years of no postseason and even now Miller has to fix the mess Cox left.

I was in the Ryan Center all games, including the last few (even when told here nobody should go). Announced attendance of 4,000 and 5,000 was really only 1,000, maybe stretch to 1,500. It was like a morgue in there. Ask the ushers. They were bored to tears and very disheartened. It was worse I think that the last weeks of Barons last year if you can believe that.

Now with URI picked preseason 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th I don’t see fans coming back in a big way until a winning streak of sort appears.

It’s a shame having gone to back to back NCAA Tournaments and falling so far.

Of course I’ll be there. Was at the last Jim Baron game and the last David Cox game. Very similar team performance and fan apathy.

GO RHODY!

Ramster it isn't as though we haven't gone through these droughts before.

Yeah it is a shame, but being a Rhody fan for 50+ years, I am used to it.

On the positive side, I never imagined us getting a coach such as Archie.

With the new staff, facility improvements underway, young roster, and general optimism about the program, I feel there will be much fan excitement going into this season

I said it’s a shame, but that’s a huge understatement by me. To be clear, Given what Hurley left and the Ryan Center bring a phenomenal College basketball venue it was a huge disappointment. Some HC’s overcame the obstacles of Covid. Other used Covid as an excuse, saying it was hard to recruit by zoom, players went home for summer and got recruited away - bullshit. We blew a huge opportunity to continue what Hurley built.
We became a team with performance now in the lower third of the A10. Nobody would have ever believed that 5 years ago.
Even last season there were people here who didn’t think Thorr would fire Cox.

When Thorr did not increase Cox’ contract or give him an increase as he did with Reiss after year 2 AND year 3, the writing was on the wall. 4 long years and still need to recover from the damages this season and maybe beyond.

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago Wow!

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

It wasn’t long ago some were posting that Cox was left with an empty cupboard. The past is still hurting us. 4 years of no postseason and even now Miller has to fix the mess Cox left.

I was in the Ryan Center all games, including the last few (even when told here nobody should go). Announced attendance of 4,000 and 5,000 was really only 1,000, maybe stretch to 1,500. It was like a morgue in there. Ask the ushers. They were bored to tears and very disheartened. It was worse I think that the last weeks of Barons last year if you can believe that.

Now with URI picked preseason 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th I don’t see fans coming back in a big way until a winning streak of sort appears.

It’s a shame having gone to back to back NCAA Tournaments and falling so far.

Of course I’ll be there. Was at the last Jim Baron game and the last David Cox game. Very similar team performance and fan apathy.

GO RHODY!

Ramster it isn't as though we haven't gone through these droughts before.

Yeah it is a shame, but being a Rhody fan for 50+ years, I am used to it.

On the positive side, I never imagined us getting a coach such as Archie.

With the new staff, facility improvements underway, young roster, and general optimism about the program, I feel there will be much fan excitement going into this season

I said it’s a shame, but that’s a huge understatement by me. To be clear, Given what Hurley left and the Ryan Center bring a phenomenal College basketball venue it was a huge disappointment. Some HC’s overcame the obstacles of Covid. Other used Covid as an excuse, saying it was hard to recruit by zoom, players went home for summer and got recruited away - bullshit. We blew a huge opportunity to continue what Hurley built.
We became a team with performance now in the lower third of the A10. Nobody would have ever believed that 5 years ago.
Even last season there were people here who didn’t think Thorr would fire Cox.

When Thorr did not increase Cox’ contract or give him an increase as he did with Reiss after year 2 AND year 3, the writing was on the wall. 4 long years and still need to recover from the damages this season and maybe beyond.

Ramfan22 wrote: ↑1 year ago

PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year ago

Ramster it isn't as though we haven't gone through these droughts before.

Yeah it is a shame, but being a Rhody fan for 50+ years, I am used to it.

On the positive side, I never imagined us getting a coach such as Archie.

With the new staff, facility improvements underway, young roster, and general optimism about the program, I feel there will be much fan excitement going into this season

I said it’s a shame, but that’s a huge understatement by me. To be clear, Given what Hurley left and the Ryan Center bring a phenomenal College basketball venue it was a huge disappointment. Some HC’s overcame the obstacles of Covid. Other used Covid as an excuse, saying it was hard to recruit by zoom, players went home for summer and got recruited away - bullshit. We blew a huge opportunity to continue what Hurley built.
We became a team with performance now in the lower third of the A10. Nobody would have ever believed that 5 years ago.
Even last season there were people here who didn’t think Thorr would fire Cox.

When Thorr did not increase Cox’ contract or give him an increase as he did with Reiss after year 2 AND year 3, the writing was on the wall. 4 long years and still need to recover from the damages this season and maybe beyond.

It really sucked and it's abundantly clear Cox's plan was literally just see if Fatts could singlehandedly take us to the tournament. While everyone else (including two future NBA players Dowtin and Rese) just sat back and played second fiddle.

Cox was almost right until the game at Dayton in 2020 then Fatts practically couldn't make another jumpshot until he went to Maryland and Cox just threw his arms up.

reef wrote: ↑1 year ago

PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 year ago

ramster wrote: ↑1 year ago

I said it’s a shame, but that’s a huge understatement by me. To be clear, Given what Hurley left and the Ryan Center bring a phenomenal College basketball venue it was a huge disappointment. Some HC’s overcame the obstacles of Covid. Other used Covid as an excuse, saying it was hard to recruit by zoom, players went home for summer and got recruited away - bullshit. We blew a huge opportunity to continue what Hurley built.
We became a team with performance now in the lower third of the A10. Nobody would have ever believed that 5 years ago.
Even last season there were people here who didn’t think Thorr would fire Cox.

When Thorr did not increase Cox’ contract or give him an increase as he did with Reiss after year 2 AND year 3, the writing was on the wall. 4 long years and still need to recover from the damages this season and maybe beyond.

It really sucked and it's abundantly clear Cox's plan was literally just see if Fatts could singlehandedly take us to the tournament. While everyone else (including two future NBA players Dowtin and Rese) just sat back and played second fiddle.

Cox was almost right until the game at Dayton in 2020 then Fatts practically couldn't make another jumpshot until he went to Maryland and Cox just threw his arms up.

I agree Peter and it may be 3 NBA players if Jacob makes it !!

Ramfan22 wrote: ↑1 year ago Kuran Iverson playing in the Big-3 on CBS Sports.

SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago

Ramfan22 wrote: ↑1 year ago Kuran Iverson playing in the Big-3 on CBS Sports.

Glad he's getting some run, but he hasn't been all that impressive in these games. Hopefully, he's making a good paycheck from it.

The actual basketball and emphasis of the Big 3 seems to have shifted as well. While most rosters still have an Old Timer you've heard of (Kuran's team has Jodie Meeks and Leonardo Barbosa), most of the league's best players are 25 to 32-year-old guys just on the cusp of NBA basketball. The league's current leading scorer is journeyman Kevin Murphy. If you're jonesing for some post-up basketball though, it's a good game to tune into.

Rhode_Island_Red wrote: ↑1 year ago

SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago

Ramfan22 wrote: ↑1 year ago Kuran Iverson playing in the Big-3 on CBS Sports.

Glad he's getting some run, but he hasn't been all that impressive in these games. Hopefully, he's making a good paycheck from it.

The actual basketball and emphasis of the Big 3 seems to have shifted as well. While most rosters still have an Old Timer you've heard of (Kuran's team has Jodie Meeks and Leonardo Barbosa), most of the league's best players are 25 to 32-year-old guys just on the cusp of NBA basketball. The league's current leading scorer is journeyman Kevin Murphy. If you're jonesing for some post-up basketball though, it's a good game to tune into.

Leandro Barbosa was the fastest player with the ball I'd ever seen, but that was ages ago. Is he still fast?