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Re: oh no!

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:34 pm
by rambone 78
Now there you go.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:46 pm
by rodfromcranston
Hell, Texas Longhorn is right down the street from him.
Ribeye heaven.
Guess he doesn't like to go out once he's home.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:59 pm
by rambone 78
Rod, awesome place also. I go to the one in Waterford, near the Crystal Mall. Not cheap, but gooooood. Big portions too.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:10 pm
by rodfromcranston
Nothing like a good steak!
I used to have this girl who worked for me.
She told me she wanted to make her boyfriend a nice steak, and asked
which cuts were good.
I went through my usual rundown about ribeye, t-bone, strip, and tenderloin.
The next day, I asked her what she made.
"Oh, a chuck steak." AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

Re: oh no!

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:31 pm
by ramfan85
The Golden Lantern.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:41 am
by EricRueb
I read two pages of the thread, stopped and decided to post. Here's my take, from a journalistic perspective:
This is not an article, despite what many of you have written. This is a column. There is a huge disparity. GoLocalProv has failed miserably with its sports coverage because it doesn't differentiate between what is a story and what is a column. If I say Dan Hurley could leave in a story, I better have facts to back it up. If I write a column about why i think Dan Hurley could leave, it's an opinion. Problem is, the website - not Cordischi - doesn't make note that this is a column.
This is why - and I say this knowing Scott - why GoLocalProv's sports coverage is ridiculous. They haven't decided if they're an online blog -throwing rumors out, not crediting other sources, not doing any reporting - or an actual news source. I feel like if GoLocal wanted to, they could hire actual reporters and dominate the state's coverage of sports, from URI to PC to Brown to high schools. Instead, they're some sort of half-blog, half-news hybrid that doesn't know where it's going.
It's fine, but when one of your staffers writes a column - like this was - identify it as much so readers don't get confused.
When Scott broke the Hurley news - and I don't care what anyone at any other media outlet says, he kicked our asses - he got screwed because someone at GoLocal gave his story a sh*tty headline that discredited the reporting he did.
If GoLocal got its act in gear, no one would go anywhere but there for RI sports news. That's all they should be doing now - sticking to RI sports, not the pro teams in NE.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:48 am
by reef
My favorite is a nice piece of Filet Mignon

Nothing like it after a URI win !!

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:44 am
by seanmc94
Man vs food recently showed a place in Bmore that has a 74 oz steak challenge. You have to eat a filet, 2 ny strip, flat iron, prime rib and one other along with a pound if sides. If you do it you get $100. If you lose; you pay the $140 tab
Guy came up 4 oz short

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:52 am
by section(105)
Gallagher's Steak House in Manhattan......if you're ever in NYC......

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:09 am
by rambone 78
The Golden Lantern closed many moons ago.

It's now a Chinese restaurant, Lucky House. If you like Chinese food, it's good.

It's a good place to go, if you want to get lucky. :P

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:23 am
by ramfan85
Used to get Lucky at The Lantern, but, that's another story. What a place it was. Where else could you get a great steak and also meet Bobby Sherman????
Maybe we ought to turn this thread into a restaurant review. At least we'd be turning a negative thread into a positive one.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:44 am
by SmartyBarrett
EricRueb wrote:I read two pages of the thread, stopped and decided to post. Here's my take, from a journalistic perspective:
This is not an article, despite what many of you have written. This is a column. There is a huge disparity. GoLocalProv has failed miserably with its sports coverage because it doesn't differentiate between what is a story and what is a column. If I say Dan Hurley could leave in a story, I better have facts to back it up. If I write a column about why i think Dan Hurley could leave, it's an opinion. Problem is, the website - not Cordischi - doesn't make note that this is a column.
This is why - and I say this knowing Scott - why GoLocalProv's sports coverage is ridiculous. They haven't decided if they're an online blog -throwing rumors out, not crediting other sources, not doing any reporting - or an actual news source. I feel like if GoLocal wanted to, they could hire actual reporters and dominate the state's coverage of sports, from URI to PC to Brown to high schools. Instead, they're some sort of half-blog, half-news hybrid that doesn't know where it's going.
It's fine, but when one of your staffers writes a column - like this was - identify it as much so readers don't get confused.
When Scott broke the Hurley news - and I don't care what anyone at any other media outlet says, he kicked our asses - he got screwed because someone at GoLocal gave his story a sh*tty headline that discredited the reporting he did.
If GoLocal got its act in gear, no one would go anywhere but there for RI sports news. That's all they should be doing now - sticking to RI sports, not the pro teams in NE.
The thing that really bothered me (and I didn't even mention this in my critique) was the fact that it was tweeted out as "Hurley to Rutgers". No question mark, no note that it was an opinion piece, no other text. I get that Twitter is a somewhat limited resource due to character restrictions, but come on - that's just straight trolling. No respected "news" site would ever do something like that without qualifying it.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:59 am
by Billyboy78
Now he's trying to defend that piece of trash that he wrote...
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/scott ... the-heat1/

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:05 am
by Billyboy78
He claims to be a URI basketball fan in his latest article, yet he started his last article with... "URI fans, I hate to rain on your parade, but"...C,mon, Scott.
Look at his Facebook page. Yes, He's a Syracuse fan. He should be. Yet he also lists Providence College basketball, Bryant, Brown(I get that too) and CCRI as his favorites. URI appears nowhere on his page. Scott and Rooke PC/Big East ballwashers. Claiming that he is a URI fan is an insult.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:09 am
by BFC
Dammit, I clicked again.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:10 am
by rambone 78
It's what everybody is saying it was, just a bunch of speculation. Anybody could have put it out there.

Even if Rutgers fires Rice, I don't see Hurley taking that job. He's got a job to do here. Maybe in a few years....

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:15 am
by sf2010
BFC wrote:Dammit, I clicked again.
Don't feel bad, he got me too BFC.

I don't want to think about him anymore, what an absolute hack.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:25 am
by ramfan85
Cooley is having a very good year, yet, I don't see anything about him possibly moving on. I guess it's because he's "home."

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:44 am
by Essam
If in Westerly try Guytanos if you can find it.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:46 am
by Seawrightspostgame
Call me crazy again but with all the grass farms in southern RI --> The grass does seem to be greener here.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:49 am
by hrstrat57
Let's be crystal about 1 thing.

The Ryan Center banging out 7K + every game with a top 20 team getting national press everyday is PC's ultimate nightmare. Friar roots run deep around these parts and the future of Friar ball is very much up in the air. We should expect a lot more of these made up stories in the next few months.

Hurley stays and URI will be strong, as early as next season. Heck, his team sitting on the sidelines right now could do major damage in the A10 or the future C 7 for that matter.

Again, attempts to knock the Ram train off the track are to be expected. URI has a first class facility on campus. Friars play in a dump downtown and look forward to playing in a league that doesn't even exist yet with a student body on campus that could care less about following the team or walking a few blocks to see it play.

I'd be scared too......

We are in a pretty good place, let's not overreact to crap.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:03 am
by Billyboy78
Yes, but Scott claims he is a URI fan. I'm the one in his latest article that has said he has a PC bias. He denies that statement saying that he likes all the local basketball teams equally. I don't care what teams he likes. But don't insult my intelligence by telling me that you are a URI fan (this was from a Facebook conversation I had with him), and that you had no motive for writing that article. As I have stated before, you do not write that article and start it by saying...."URI fans, I hate to rain on your parade, but..."(that was also on his FB page) if you are a URI fan.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:09 am
by Iggy1979
Eric:
The problem is, it wasn't written like a column either. You get a lot of this: "If Rutgers or Seton Hall are looking for a new men’s basketball coach, many believe that Dan Hurley would be at the very top of their wish list."
He doesn't say "I believe," he says "many believe."
So Scott talked to "many" people in writing this? Of course not. I think there's only one "I" in the "column." He should've written it as his opinion instead of trying to look like he's plugged in and has some inside info.
That was my problem with it.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:17 am
by rodfromcranston
Billy,
that was like shooting fish in a barrel over there.
PC fans who know zero commenting on our program and
our coach.
One idiot even criticized his suit. I countered with, "At least he's in shape and doesn't wear
pajamas on his show".
Oh, the best one was, some dope saying letting Baron go was a big mistake.
Not the Facebook comments, but the Golocal comments.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:17 am
by Billyboy78
Iggy1979 wrote:Eric:
The problem is, it wasn't written like a column either. You get a lot of this: "If Rutgers or Seton Hall are looking for a new men’s basketball coach, many believe that Dan Hurley would be at the very top of their wish list."
He doesn't say "I believe," he says "many believe."
So Scott talked to "many" people in writing this? Of course not. I think there's only one "I" in the "column." He should've written it as his opinion instead of trying to look like he's plugged in and has some inside info.
That was my problem with it.
Scott's "many" people most likely include John Rooke, Joe Hassett and a couple of his drinking buddies.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:18 am
by rjsuperfly66
Billyboy78 wrote:
Iggy1979 wrote:Eric:
The problem is, it wasn't written like a column either. You get a lot of this: "If Rutgers or Seton Hall are looking for a new men’s basketball coach, many believe that Dan Hurley would be at the very top of their wish list."
He doesn't say "I believe," he says "many believe."
So Scott talked to "many" people in writing this? Of course not. I think there's only one "I" in the "column." He should've written it as his opinion instead of trying to look like he's plugged in and has some inside info.
That was my problem with it.
Scott's "many" people most likely include John Rooke, Joe Hassett and a couple of his drinking buddies.
If Scott was so pro-PC, why did he write a very negative piece about Cooley and his attitude in press conferences right after the Brown loss?

I agree that GoLocal is a joke full of mostly opinions and just about zero facts, but I don't buy that Scotty boy is pro-PC and anti-URI.

In fact, if anything he is pro-Brown. And his job is easier and more interesting if PC and URI are both good.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:20 am
by Billyboy78
rodfromcranston wrote:Billy,
that was like shooting fish in a barrel over there.
PC fans who know zero commenting on our program and
our coach.
One idiot even criticized his suit. I countered with, "At least he's in shape and doesn't wear
pajamas on his show".
Oh, the best one was, some dope saying letting Baron go was a big mistake.
Not the Facebook comments, but the Golocal comments.
I'm not Facebook friends with Scott, so I couldn't comment on his posts. I had to message him. Like I said, his responses to me insulted my intelligence.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:24 am
by Billyboy78
rjsuperfly66 wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:
Iggy1979 wrote:Eric:
The problem is, it wasn't written like a column either. You get a lot of this: "If Rutgers or Seton Hall are looking for a new men’s basketball coach, many believe that Dan Hurley would be at the very top of their wish list."
He doesn't say "I believe," he says "many believe."
So Scott talked to "many" people in writing this? Of course not. I think there's only one "I" in the "column." He should've written it as his opinion instead of trying to look like he's plugged in and has some inside info.
That was my problem with it.
Scott's "many" people most likely include John Rooke, Joe Hassett and a couple of his drinking buddies.
If Scott was so pro-PC, why did he write a very negative piece about Cooley and his attitude in press conferences right after the Brown loss?

I agree that GoLocal is a joke full of mostly opinions and just about zero facts, but I don't buy that Scotty boy is pro-PC and anti-URI.

In fact, if anything he is pro-Brown. And his job is easier and more interesting if PC and URI are both good.
Obviously, he's pro-Brown, as he receives a paycheck from them. I'm just curious to know how many times Scott has been to the Ryan Center this year, or the last 10 years, for that matter, as he claims to me that he is a URI fan.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:25 am
by rodfromcranston
I used to be a listener and caller on Scott's long running rqdio show.
He was always PC biased, with phony concessions to URI.
Granted, he knew his audience was 95% PC fans.
As Don Kaull reminded me, when he was co-hosting with Cordischi,
I was the sole Rhody caller.
Look, all the Syracuse guys, like Cordischi and KMac, are Big East fans,
and transitively, PC fans.
Billy, on Facebook, just go to GolocalProv.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:29 am
by Billyboy78
rodfromcranston wrote:I used to be a listener and caller on Scott's long running rqdio show.
He was always PC biased, with phony concessions to URI.
Granted, he knew his audience was 95% PC fans.
As Don Kaull reminded me, when he was co-hosting with Cordischi,
I was the sole Rhody caller.
Look, all the Syracuse guys, like Cordischi and KMac, are Big East fans,
and transitively, PC fans.
Billy, on Facebook, just go to GolocalProv.
And as bad as Cordischi is, Rooke is much worse.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:34 am
by rjsuperfly66
Billyboy78 wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:I used to be a listener and caller on Scott's long running rqdio show.
He was always PC biased, with phony concessions to URI.
Granted, he knew his audience was 95% PC fans.
As Don Kaull reminded me, when he was co-hosting with Cordischi,
I was the sole Rhody caller.
Look, all the Syracuse guys, like Cordischi and KMac, are Big East fans,
and transitively, PC fans.
Billy, on Facebook, just go to GolocalProv.
And as bad as Cordischi is, Rooke is much worse.
As he should be, Rooke is a PC guy. He does radio, mcees functions, etc.

I began hating The Score towards the end, but I definitely miss local sports talk.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:40 am
by rodfromcranston
Rooke is more understandable, though.
He's been around PC for decades.
His loyalty would naturally be with PC.
Cordischi feigns being a neutral, and isn't.
He also has no ties to PC, Rooke does.
The Score became a Frat Boys club, with Dolphin Paul, Jersey Dead
and all of Scott's buddies, dominating the show.
Then you had Gresh and Zo which was even worse and more obnoxious, with Gresh acting like he was
an all pro O lineman, instead of a bustout from URI's program.
When Zo said Shakira was ugly, I figured there was something wrong with him, as well.
It became more about them than sports.
When they started talking about Fantasy Golf, I stopped listening,
and a lot of others did, too,

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:53 am
by rjsuperfly66
rodfromcranston wrote:Rooke is more understandable, though.
He's been around PC for decades.
His loyalty would naturally be with PC.
Cordischi feigns being a neutral, and isn't.
He also has no ties to PC, Rooke does.
The Score became a Frat Boys club, with Dolphin Paul, Jersey Dead
and all of Scott's buddies, dominating the show.
Then you had Gresh and Zom which was even worse and more obnoxious, with Gresh acting like he was
an all pro O lineman, instead of a bustout from URI's program.
When Zo said Shakira was ugly, I figured there was something wrong with him, as well.
It became more about them than sports.
When they started talking about Fantasy Golf, I stopped listening,
and a lot of others did, too,
I agree Rod, it's amazing that The Sports Hub brought Gresh and Zo back together again.
I used to listen a ton in the mornings, but then when they brought in Amy, ohh that became intolerable.
It's amazing to me that she has been able to consistently land national media jobs, night jobs at ESPN and she has a weekend position with CBS now.

The Score during it's good run about the time before they came out with 99.7, I thought those were good days. I thought once they became "big-time," coincidentally around the time Scotty boy got busted with his female companion, they collapsed fast.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:57 am
by rodfromcranston
Amy is still unlistenable, and shrill. When she's on, I turn it off.
Cordischi is milking this crap for all it's worth.
Now he's got an indignant defense of his first pile of dung up on Golocal.
Then he's got Rich Coren agreeing with him.
I like Rich, but he's hardly unbiased.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:21 pm
by BFC
Cordischi was a Baron fan, that's why his rogue "speculation" columns never put Baron on the hot seat until the very end.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:30 pm
by rodfromcranston
Scott wrote: "Rod: By no means was it my intention to "taunt" URI fans. And I acknowledged in the beginning of the story how much Rhody fans are happy with Hurley and the job that he is done and the bright future of the program thanks to him. It is for those very reasons that URI fans like yourself and me want him to be here to see this thing through and deliver the Rams to the Tournament. That's why I said, "Sorry to rain on your parade, URI fans" because I know how much he is liked here and losing him after one year would hurt."

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:40 pm
by Billyboy78
rodfromcranston wrote:Scott wrote: "Rod: By no means was it my intention to "taunt" URI fans. And I acknowledged in the beginning of the story how much Rhody fans are happy with Hurley and the job that he is done and the bright future of the program thanks to him. It is for those very reasons that URI fans like yourself and me want him to be here to see this thing through and deliver the Rams to the Tournament. That's why I said, "Sorry to rain on your parade, URI fans" because I know how much he is liked here and losing him after one year would hurt."
If Scottt were a URI fan as he says, shouldn't he have included himself and said...."sorry to rain on OUR parade"?

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:41 pm
by seanmc94
[quote="hrstrat57"]Let's be crystal about 1 thing.

"The Ryan Center banging out 7K + every game with a top 20 team getting national press everyday is PC's ultimate nightmare. Friar roots run deep around these parts and the future of Friar ball is very much up in the air. We should expect a lot more of these made up stories in the next few months.

Hurley stays and URI will be strong, as early as next season. Heck, his team sitting on the sidelines right now could do major damage in the A10 or the future C 7 for that matter.

Again, attempts to knock the Ram train off the track are to be expected. URI has a first class facility on campus. Friars play in a dump downtown and look forward to playing in a league that doesn't even exist yet with a student body on campus that could care less about following the team or walking a few blocks to see it play.

I'd be scared too......"


Wow,

This is the biggest steaming pile of wishful thinking I've ever read...and that's saying something. The RC is nice; but it is light years away from being a 1st class facility. URI has a bright future on the sidelines? PC has a lottery pick waiting to play. Our roots are up in the air? Top 10 recruiting class last year. Top 50 guy this year. BE leading scorer as a junior coming back. Student apathy is an issue; but the kids arent exactly flocking to the RC either. The DDC isn't state of teh art; but it has a neew sound system and luxury boxes. It's good enough to host NCAA games. Pretty sure they aren't coming to Kingston. Don't worry about PC. We are just fine.

Take off your tin-foil hat and explain what the "attempts to knock the Ram train off the tracks are"

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:42 pm
by seanmc94
Billyboy78 wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:Scott wrote: "Rod: By no means was it my intention to "taunt" URI fans. And I acknowledged in the beginning of the story how much Rhody fans are happy with Hurley and the job that he is done and the bright future of the program thanks to him. It is for those very reasons that URI fans like yourself and me want him to be here to see this thing through and deliver the Rams to the Tournament. That's why I said, "Sorry to rain on your parade, URI fans" because I know how much he is liked here and losing him after one year would hurt."
If Scottt were a URI fan as he says, shouldn't he have included himself and said...."sorry to rain on OUR parade"?
Read the article. He said he "is a fan of URI basketball"; not a URI fan. There is a difference.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:58 pm
by Billyboy78
seanmc94 wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:Scott wrote: "Rod: By no means was it my intention to "taunt" URI fans. And I acknowledged in the beginning of the story how much Rhody fans are happy with Hurley and the job that he is done and the bright future of the program thanks to him. It is for those very reasons that URI fans like yourself and me want him to be here to see this thing through and deliver the Rams to the Tournament. That's why I said, "Sorry to rain on your parade, URI fans" because I know how much he is liked here and losing him after one year would hurt."
If Scottt were a URI fan as he says, shouldn't he have included himself and said...."sorry to rain on OUR parade"?
Read the article. He said he "is a fan of URI basketball"; not a URI fan. There is a difference.
Sean, I think it's pretty clear that when saying he is a URI fan, either in this forum, or when discussing his recent article, that we are referring to URI basketball. I'm not sure what your point is.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:36 pm
by Iggy1979
What a surprise: PC fans coming to the defense of Cordischi. Scott can say he's a fan of all the RI programs but his interest, in order, is in: 1. Brown. 2. PC. 3. URI with Bryant probably pushing URI now.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:49 pm
by hrstrat57
Trust me could care less if p c is fine .... Can't suffer enuff for me. The fact that p c fans feel a need to come on a URI hoops forum and stir up crap is proof positive that they are terrified of what Ram hoops is about to become. 7500 fans every night in an on campus arena pushing a good team to victory.

No luxury boxes tho shame.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:52 pm
by URIGONZO
Iggy, we shouldn't give a rat's ass who Cordischi likes. He's a hack. Hell, half of the Projo guys are hacks, and Cordischi can't even get a job with them. 3rd rate guy, he can love whoever he wants. We, as URI fans shouldn't care.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:44 pm
by seanmc94
No ones defending Corduschi.
You guys need to relax. You have a coach others covet. It's a good thing. Ignore BS articles. They will only drive you nuts

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:54 pm
by Billyboy78
URIGONZO wrote:Iggy, we shouldn't give a rat's ass who Cordischi likes. He's a hack. Hell, half of the Projo guys are hacks, and Cordischi can't even get a job with them. 3rd rate guy, he can love whoever he wants. We, as URI fans shouldn't care.
We don't care who Cordischi likes. He has a right to like whatever teams he wants. It's that Rod and I both confronted him(if that's what you call it when talking on Facebook...) about his intentions of the article. He denies everything of which we are accusing him and actually told me he is a fan of URI basketball. Just don't lie to me, that's all I'm asking.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:16 pm
by seanmc94
You guys understand the difference between being a fan of uri hoops and being a uri hoops fan, right?

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:44 pm
by Billyboy78
seanmc94 wrote:You guys understand the difference between being a fan of uri hoops and being a uri hoops fan, right?
I'm guessing you're going to explain, so feel free.

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:49 pm
by ATPTourFan
How many credits do I get from attending this course?

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:08 pm
by hrstrat57
adam914 wrote:By the way...I hear Cooley is headed to Bryant.
Bulldogs already have a real good coach and he's a pretty good recruiter too as we should recall.....

Go Bulldogs! Big game tonight playing for the flag!

Re: oh no!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:36 pm
by ramfan85
Did Scottso call you guys paranoid? That's what he called URI fans on his radio sports (golf) show.
He used to drive me cray when he spent time on the air talking about "his" golf game. I should have called in to talk about my day in the dojo. It's about as interesting to listeners.