Re: The Men's Basketball Transfer Carousel 2023-24
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:17 am
It's all on how and where the money is spent, isn't it? BE basketball money is all pretty much basketball money. Power football money is all pretty much football money. Ohio St, Alabama, Texas, etc are not taking their $70 million a year and throwing $30 million at basketball. They are maybe throwing $5-10 million at basketball, if any at all. These schools all know football drives the bus and that is why they funnel all their resources there. The real issue is that BE schools will struggle to compete in NIL with these large alumni bases that have some deep wallets, but same rules apply, if most of these donors are giving to football, it closes the gap a little bit.ramster wrote: ↑8 months agoYes and no.Rhody72 wrote: ↑9 months agoSo you agree with me that A10 institutions now compete in the B league, and most players and coaches who are late bloomers etc will leave for the A league if given the opportunity. This is extremely depressing to me. Somehow I don't believe that Bryant Univ will ever be satisfied being a B league institution.
We always had the B League loosely defined as Mid Majors.
Players and Coaches who are late bloomers as you say have left for the A League (P5 or High Major) in the past but quicker and in much greater numbers today since the Free Transfer with no sit out penalty, NIL, not sit out Grad Year Transfers and free 5th Covid Year all came about.
Free agency with no contracts.
The $50 to $80 million per School for P5 Schools far exceeds the $4 million per school the Big East schools receive.
Separation into at least 2 levels seems on the horizon similar to FBS and FCS Football.
B League Schools will gravitate towards conferences that play all sports including Football. Conferences without Football will never command the huge $70 million annual money per school. Non Football schools will really struggle to keep up and likely fall back to a lower level.
Jersey, I suspect reducing the portal window could encourage more first timers to throw their name in even if their first option is to stay. Sort of an unintended consequence of this move by the NCAA is my thinking.Jersey77 wrote: ↑8 months ago Transfer portal window reduced to 45 days.
Opens on the Monday after Selection Sunday and runs till May 1st.
Players interested in transferring have until then to enter their name in the portal.
"NCAA Council votes to overhaul college basketball recruiting calendar in addition to slimming portal window."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... al-window/
JD, yeah there are some players that do enter the portal and then decide to stay, only if the coach lets them back and there is room.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑8 months agoJersey, I suspect reducing the portal window could encourage more first timers to throw their name in even if their first option is to stay. Sort of an unintended consequence of this move by the NCAA is my thinking.Jersey77 wrote: ↑8 months ago Transfer portal window reduced to 45 days.
Opens on the Monday after Selection Sunday and runs till May 1st.
Players interested in transferring have until then to enter their name in the portal.
"NCAA Council votes to overhaul college basketball recruiting calendar in addition to slimming portal window."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... al-window/
That said, we shall see in time if I am on to something or not.
Thanks for posting this.
Good point on the coach having the option of allowing them to come back or not once a player enters the portal. That completely slipped my mind.Jersey77 wrote: ↑8 months agoJD, yeah there are some players that do enter the portal and then decide to stay, only if the coach lets them back and there is room.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑8 months agoJersey, I suspect reducing the portal window could encourage more first timers to throw their name in even if their first option is to stay. Sort of an unintended consequence of this move by the NCAA is my thinking.Jersey77 wrote: ↑8 months ago Transfer portal window reduced to 45 days.
Opens on the Monday after Selection Sunday and runs till May 1st.
Players interested in transferring have until then to enter their name in the portal.
"NCAA Council votes to overhaul college basketball recruiting calendar in addition to slimming portal window."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... al-window/
That said, we shall see in time if I am on to something or not.
Thanks for posting this.
Most because of coaching changes, example Ish in 22-23.
Having a shorter window to enter gives the staff more time in trying to figure out their roster and open spots available to fill.
The NCAA does have academic eligibility requirements.rhodyblue12 wrote: ↑7 months ago I didn't think that 'academic issues' were a thing anymore. Didn't the UNC case establish that the NCAA had no jurisdiction over academics?
Jersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoThe NCAA does have academic eligibility requirements.rhodyblue12 wrote: ↑7 months ago I didn't think that 'academic issues' were a thing anymore. Didn't the UNC case establish that the NCAA had no jurisdiction over academics?
https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibi ... quirements
Yes, I understand that.ramster wrote: ↑7 months agoJersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoThe NCAA does have academic eligibility requirements.rhodyblue12 wrote: ↑7 months ago I didn't think that 'academic issues' were a thing anymore. Didn't the UNC case establish that the NCAA had no jurisdiction over academics?
https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibi ... quirements
The issue is that Battle did not graduate from Montana State and he already used his one-time transfer when he went from Washington to Montana State.
Battle is a 5th year so he could transfer for a 2nd time and not sit out another year as a Grad Transfer - but he didn't Graduate.
Rothstein did not mention that Battle did not Graduate. I learned that by going to the West Virginia Message Board. Battle was supposedly taking some courses this summer but not sure what happened there. All of this stuff gets into privacy of academic records as well. Not always so cut and dry as these media guys tend to make things look. West Virginia also had Perez and Silverio get denied. Plus their Coach getting canned.Jersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoYes, I understand that.ramster wrote: ↑7 months agoJersey77 wrote: ↑7 months ago
The NCAA does have academic eligibility requirements.
https://www.ncsasports.org/ncaa-eligibi ... quirements
The issue is that Battle did not graduate from Montana State and he already used his one-time transfer when he went from Washington to Montana State.
Battle is a 5th year so he could transfer for a 2nd time and not sit out another year as a Grad Transfer - but he didn't Graduate.
But since Rhodyblue12 didn't reference my post, I wasn't sure that is what he was referring to or if the NCAA isn't involved in academics at all, which is what he posted.
There are still some international players from SLU waiting to be cleared by the NCAA.
Yes, all that along with Tre Mitchell and Joe Toussaint leaving.ramster wrote: ↑7 months agoRothstein did not mention that Battle did not Graduate. I learned that by going to the West Virginia Message Board. Battle was supposedly taking some courses this summer but not sure what happened there. All of this stuff gets into privacy of academic records as well. Not always so cut and dry as these media guys tend to make things look. West Virginia also had Perez and Silverio get denied. Plus their Coach getting canned.Jersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoYes, I understand that.ramster wrote: ↑7 months ago
The issue is that Battle did not graduate from Montana State and he already used his one-time transfer when he went from Washington to Montana State.
Battle is a 5th year so he could transfer for a 2nd time and not sit out another year as a Grad Transfer - but he didn't Graduate.
But since Rhodyblue12 didn't reference my post, I wasn't sure that is what he was referring to or if the NCAA isn't involved in academics at all, which is what he posted.
There are still some international players from SLU waiting to be cleared by the NCAA.
It's all pretty much a joke now as guys are getting paid to play basketball, transfers have been approved in huge numbers and now the NCAA is trying to get tough with their rules. Players and teams will lawyer up.
Yeah. I understand that there are tons of transfers and waiver requests now, but this isn't the first year of that. It's a completely foreseeable issue that they seemingly did nothing to prepare for. The NCAA's response to any sort of issue that arises seems to be throwing their hands up and insisting they couldn't have done anything proactive, especially when it comes to issues involving player eligibility and compensation.KingstonLane wrote: ↑7 months ago Nothing new here as the NCAA never fails to disappoint.
But it’s absolute insanity to have not ruled on waivers within almost a week of the season starting
Could easily figure all of these out months ago and let teams prep accordingly
I just wanna know what exactly takes them so long.SGreenwell wrote: ↑7 months agoYeah. I understand that there are tons of transfers and waiver requests now, but this isn't the first year of that. It's a completely foreseeable issue that they seemingly did nothing to prepare for. The NCAA's response to any sort of issue that arises seems to be throwing their hands up and insisting they couldn't have done anything proactive, especially when it comes to issues involving player eligibility and compensation.KingstonLane wrote: ↑7 months ago Nothing new here as the NCAA never fails to disappoint.
But it’s absolute insanity to have not ruled on waivers within almost a week of the season starting
Could easily figure all of these out months ago and let teams prep accordingly
Yes don’t get me wrong I do agree there is a bit of nuance in Green’s situation for example that makes it more complex than others.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months agoI just wanna know what exactly takes them so long.SGreenwell wrote: ↑7 months agoYeah. I understand that there are tons of transfers and waiver requests now, but this isn't the first year of that. It's a completely foreseeable issue that they seemingly did nothing to prepare for. The NCAA's response to any sort of issue that arises seems to be throwing their hands up and insisting they couldn't have done anything proactive, especially when it comes to issues involving player eligibility and compensation.KingstonLane wrote: ↑7 months ago Nothing new here as the NCAA never fails to disappoint.
But it’s absolute insanity to have not ruled on waivers within almost a week of the season starting
Could easily figure all of these out months ago and let teams prep accordingly
Have they looked at David Green's appeal yet?
Do they look at it and discuss it with multiple people in the NCAA and vote yes or no?
Does it take them an afternoon once they finally get it? Or is everyone incredibly indecisive? Is it up to one person at a time?
Ok they read his appeal then decide whether or not he should be eligible. How can it possibly take longer than like 30 minutes for one individual issue. This is some pretty basic stuff.
The NCAA has their parameters. Look at the argument given on Green's behalf, decide if its good enough and give a ruling.
They should be able to knock out several in a day I mean what in the actual hell.
David Green, 2 year transfer, played in six games last year, got hurt, dismissed from the team, transfers. I'm sure we will argue that the reasons for his dismissal aren't that bad and since he only played in six games he should be given a waiver.
This stuff isn't difficult. It's just pathetic.
For sure. I’m not commenting on whether Green should or should not get one. I don’t have enough historical knowledge of every similar waiver case to know what his fate should beRhody15 wrote: ↑7 months ago If he isn’t cleared though, please don’t go “ah NCAA hates us, hates mid majors blah blah blah”
This has happened all over the country, all types of schools.
Hopefully people don’t think we’re being singled out, the NCAA has made it clear they’re cracking down on two time transfers (I don’t agree with it) but Archie and co had to know they’d have a slim chance for Green to eligible.
Not sure about the whole timeline of this process, but the NCAA Eligibility Center (previously called the Clearinghouse) is probably dealing with so many requests. Not just the multi-transfers but also those meeting the academic standards, example some international players.KingstonLane wrote: ↑7 months agoFor sure. I’m not commenting on whether Green should or should not get one. I don’t have enough historical knowledge of every similar waiver case to know what his fate should beRhody15 wrote: ↑7 months ago If he isn’t cleared though, please don’t go “ah NCAA hates us, hates mid majors blah blah blah”
This has happened all over the country, all types of schools.
Hopefully people don’t think we’re being singled out, the NCAA has made it clear they’re cracking down on two time transfers (I don’t agree with it) but Archie and co had to know they’d have a slim chance for Green to eligible.
More commenting on the process (or lack thereof) that has us still in limbo
No there's no excuse for their delayJersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoNot sure about the whole timeline of this process, but the NCAA Eligibility Center (previously called the Clearinghouse) is probably dealing with so many requests. Not just the multi-transfers but also those meeting the academic standards, example some international players.KingstonLane wrote: ↑7 months agoFor sure. I’m not commenting on whether Green should or should not get one. I don’t have enough historical knowledge of every similar waiver case to know what his fate should beRhody15 wrote: ↑7 months ago If he isn’t cleared though, please don’t go “ah NCAA hates us, hates mid majors blah blah blah”
This has happened all over the country, all types of schools.
Hopefully people don’t think we’re being singled out, the NCAA has made it clear they’re cracking down on two time transfers (I don’t agree with it) but Archie and co had to know they’d have a slim chance for Green to eligible.
More commenting on the process (or lack thereof) that has us still in limbo
Remember the rules did change earlier this year, making it much more difficult for immediate play.
I am sure Archie and company were all well aware of Green's situation when they offered him.
So yeah, they are probably well prepared to play this season without him, it would just be gravy if he is available.
PRT, I didn't hear when they actually filed the waiver.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months agoNo there's no excuse for their delayJersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoNot sure about the whole timeline of this process, but the NCAA Eligibility Center (previously called the Clearinghouse) is probably dealing with so many requests. Not just the multi-transfers but also those meeting the academic standards, example some international players.KingstonLane wrote: ↑7 months ago
For sure. I’m not commenting on whether Green should or should not get one. I don’t have enough historical knowledge of every similar waiver case to know what his fate should be
More commenting on the process (or lack thereof) that has us still in limbo
Remember the rules did change earlier this year, making it much more difficult for immediate play.
I am sure Archie and company were all well aware of Green's situation when they offered him.
So yeah, they are probably well prepared to play this season without him, it would just be gravy if he is available.
They've had the appeal for Green since the spring
True we don't know, but I can't imagine it took us several months to submit something that important.Jersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoPRT, I didn't hear when they actually filed the waiver.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months agoNo there's no excuse for their delayJersey77 wrote: ↑7 months ago
Not sure about the whole timeline of this process, but the NCAA Eligibility Center (previously called the Clearinghouse) is probably dealing with so many requests. Not just the multi-transfers but also those meeting the academic standards, example some international players.
Remember the rules did change earlier this year, making it much more difficult for immediate play.
I am sure Archie and company were all well aware of Green's situation when they offered him.
So yeah, they are probably well prepared to play this season without him, it would just be gravy if he is available.
They've had the appeal for Green since the spring
Preparing all the paperwork does take a little time, because they want to make sure they give him the best chance for approval.
From Jon Rothstein:
Medor was huge pick-up in the portal from UTSA, now in the AAC.ramster wrote: ↑7 months agoFrom Jon Rothstein:
Source: Fordham's Japhet Medor has received a waiver from the NCAA and is immediately eligible for the 2023-24 season.
Medor is NOT a two-time transfer, but needed to pass certain academic requirements to be eligible.
Transfer from UTSA who averaged 13.7 PPG last season.
Medor played in charity exhibition for Fordham on Sunday. Game hi scorer with 23 P, 7 R , 9-14 FG
https://fordhamsports.com/sports/mens-b ... core/15591
Green committed 5/3. How long do we think it took us to submit the waiver? A week? Two?Jersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoPRT, I didn't hear when they actually filed the waiver.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months agoNo there's no excuse for their delayJersey77 wrote: ↑7 months ago
Not sure about the whole timeline of this process, but the NCAA Eligibility Center (previously called the Clearinghouse) is probably dealing with so many requests. Not just the multi-transfers but also those meeting the academic standards, example some international players.
Remember the rules did change earlier this year, making it much more difficult for immediate play.
I am sure Archie and company were all well aware of Green's situation when they offered him.
So yeah, they are probably well prepared to play this season without him, it would just be gravy if he is available.
They've had the appeal for Green since the spring
Preparing all the paperwork does take a little time, because they want to make sure they give him the best chance for approval.
Have no idea, also don't know how many other multi-transfers committed then or prior.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑7 months agoGreen committed 5/3. How long do we think it took us to submit the waiver? A week? Two?Jersey77 wrote: ↑7 months agoPRT, I didn't hear when they actually filed the waiver.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months ago
No there's no excuse for their delay
They've had the appeal for Green since the spring
Preparing all the paperwork does take a little time, because they want to make sure they give him the best chance for approval.
"The NCAA went on to say they were not in a hurry"Jersey77 wrote: ↑7 months ago NCAA will consider modifications to transfer rules amid heavy criticism directed at waiver process
The request comes as the NCAA has dealt with considerable scrutiny in the waiver process.
By David Cobb
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... r-process/
Right, so you'd have to petition the URI side as opposed to the NCAA. That said, because of FERPA, if you filed and got anything it would be heavily redacted
That won’t happen.RF1 wrote: ↑7 months ago Knowing how the NCAA works, I wonder if it will soon announce waivers are automatically guaranteed to players if transferring to a member school of the Big Ten, SEC, Big-12, ACC, PAC-12, or BE (similar to the new NIT selection process). All others will have to be evaluated on merit.