2022 Coaching Carousel

[Jersey77]

More coach shuffling

He didn't have to go too far.

[RhowdyRam02]

Granted Miami isn't exactly a powerhouse, but I don't like this hire for them. He was completely entrenched in Xavier for a decade and when it was finally time for him to take over the reins he spit the bit. Outside of his time as a Xavier assistant what is there to indicate he's a solid coach? And if that didn't translate at Xavier why should it translate anywhere else?

[RhodyKyle]

Granted Miami isn't exactly a powerhouse, but I don't like this hire for them. He was completely entrenched in Xavier for a decade and when it was finally time for him to take over the reins he spit the bit. Outside of his time as a Xavier assistant what is there to indicate he's a solid coach? And if that didn't translate at Xavier why should it translate anywhere else?

Because he's the type of coach that a middling MAC school can take a chance on and hope it pays off.

[Jersey77]

Granted Miami isn't exactly a powerhouse, but I don't like this hire for them. He was completely entrenched in Xavier for a decade and when it was finally time for him to take over the reins he spit the bit. Outside of his time as a Xavier assistant what is there to indicate he's a solid coach? And if that didn't translate at Xavier why should it translate anywhere else?

Because he's the type of coach that a middling MAC school can take a chance on and hope it pays off.

Exactly, I think it is a good move for both.

[RhowdyRam02]

Granted Miami isn't exactly a powerhouse, but I don't like this hire for them. He was completely entrenched in Xavier for a decade and when it was finally time for him to take over the reins he spit the bit. Outside of his time as a Xavier assistant what is there to indicate he's a solid coach? And if that didn't translate at Xavier why should it translate anywhere else?

Because he's the type of coach that a middling MAC school can take a chance on and hope it pays off.

Seems to me they'd be better off with an assistant or head coach on the way up then a retread that couldn't be successful at Xavier

[STC]

Granted Miami isn't exactly a powerhouse, but I don't like this hire for them. He was completely entrenched in Xavier for a decade and when it was finally time for him to take over the reins he spit the bit. Outside of his time as a Xavier assistant what is there to indicate he's a solid coach? And if that didn't translate at Xavier why should it translate anywhere else?

Because he's the type of coach that a middling MAC school can take a chance on and hope it pays off.

Seems to me they'd be better off with an assistant or head coach on the way up then a retread that couldn't be successful at Xavier

Agree, if you're going to hire a re-tread, you would at least like it to be someone that has done some winning.

[rambone 78]

The way Xavier played against the Bonnies, it looked like they were glad he's gone.

[Jersey77]

Because he's the type of coach that a middling MAC school can take a chance on and hope it pays off.

Seems to me they'd be better off with an assistant or head coach on the way up then a retread that couldn't be successful at Xavier

Agree, if you're going to hire a re-tread, you would at least like it to be someone that has done some winning.

It's not exactly like he is an old re-tread that never won.
He is only 40 and this is just his 4th season as HC.
He was a very trusted and respected assistant under Mack and was promoted to associate HC.

He has beaten some really good teams Ohio State, UConn, and Creighton.

I actually think Miami/Ohio in the MAC is a good landing spot for him and it is right in the middle of his recruiting wheelhouse.

[reef]

Seems to me they'd be better off with an assistant or head coach on the way up then a retread that couldn't be successful at Xavier

Agree, if you're going to hire a re-tread, you would at least like it to be someone that has done some winning.

It's not exactly like he is an old re-tread that never won.
He is only 40 and this is just his 4th season as HC.
He was a very trusted and respected assistant under Mack and was promoted to associate HC.

He has beaten some really good teams Ohio State, UConn, and Creighton.

I actually think Miami/Ohio in the MAC is a good landing spot for him and it is right in the middle of his recruiting wheelhouse.

I agree seems decent to me let’s see how he does

[RhodyKyle]

Granted Miami isn't exactly a powerhouse, but I don't like this hire for them. He was completely entrenched in Xavier for a decade and when it was finally time for him to take over the reins he spit the bit. Outside of his time as a Xavier assistant what is there to indicate he's a solid coach? And if that didn't translate at Xavier why should it translate anywhere else?

Because he's the type of coach that a middling MAC school can take a chance on and hope it pays off.

Seems to me they'd be better off with an assistant or head coach on the way up then a retread that couldn't be successful at Xavier

It certainly is possible that he flames out there and really is one of those coaches best suited as an assitant. I don't know much about Miami Ohio and their fans' expectations so it could also be a low pressure situation where he can grow into a successful head coach.

[Jersey77]

[Jdrums#3]

A highly regarded ACC assistant. Nice hire. The A10 coaching ranks are looking good. Bodes well for the conference.

[reef]

Sounds like a nice hire longtime assistant under Jimmy Larrananga

[Jersey77]

Probably an April 1st gag

We kept hearing different names, here is another update.
Can't believe anything till it is official.

[ace]

Trust nothing you read on the internet today. People try too hard.

[Jersey77]

Trust nothing you read on the internet today. People try too hard.

Exactly

[DeanDome88]

Trust nothing you read on the internet today. People try too hard.

Exactly

Especially on April 1

[Jersey77]

Trust nothing you read on the internet today. People try too hard.

Exactly

Especially on April 1

Better off not to pay attention to tweets today.

[rambone 78]

There are a lot of April fools out there today......

[Rhody74]

There are a lot of April fools out there today......

This is the day Rhody72 makes sense.

[Falcon]

Carl Koussa Day !

[Rhode_Island_Red]

How much are they going to have to pay to get Young Frankenstein to leave Ann Arbor? And why him? He could no longer win at St. Joe's -- how is he going to win at La Salle, which is a major step down from Hawk Hill?

[SmartyBarrett]

Some more guys gonna be hitting the portal...

[bigappleram]

Jordan out at Butler.

[STC]

Some more guys gonna be hitting the portal...

Wow, what were they waiting for?

[bigappleram]

Called that one and makes me even more grateful Thorr moved quickly and aggressively to lock in Archie bc I feel he would have been a viable candidate there.

[SmartyBarrett]

RE: What were they waiting for.

[STC]

Must have been paining their AD to watch Archie to URI go down. Oh well, timing is everything…

[RF1]

Must have been paining their AD to watch Archie to URI go down. Oh well, timing is everything…

If their AD was planning this for some time, he could have easily reached out to Archie via intermediaries while he was available. It is even possible that happened and Miller may not have had any interest as he might not have wanted his next job to be in Indiana so close to his last gig in the state.

[woodennickel1]

RE: What were they waiting for.

Embarrassing if your a fan of this school imo made a graduate wait weeks to save a hundred thousand ( 750 to 650) . They obviously would not have been a player for Archie. Will probably hire some up and coming assistant so they don't have have to pay him. Seems to be the Butler way.

[Jersey77]

[Blue Man]

Must have been paining their AD to watch Archie to URI go down. Oh well, timing is everything…

If their AD was planning this for some time, he could have easily reached out to Archie via intermediaries while he was available. It is even possible that happened and Miller may not have had any interest as he might not have wanted his next job to be in Indiana so close to his last gig in the state.

Again. People acting like these hiring processes only start when a coach is fired are missing the mark. No first rate athletic department operates that way. Back channels are everything. (This is also a thinly veiled shot at UMass because it actually seemed like they operated that way).

If Archie actually wanted to stay in Indiana and deal with that blowback every day from the larger program in his state, he would have. They would've already had conversations and he certainly wouldn't have accepted the job here.

I hope people can stop chicken littling and acting like we're some charity case lucky to swindle Archie into coming here. Archie is here because he believes in Thorr, and what URI can be - and because Thorr was finally given the support to for us to operate like a first-class institution.

Archie had his choice of jobs. Literally just about any job in America would've been lucky to get him. He chose URI. It's not like we were his only option, he wanted to be here.

As for Butler - their AD obviously knew he was firing their coach. He just pulled a cheap-ass move to save a couple hundred thousand dollars waiting for the buyout to expire- and negatively impact all of the coaches under Jordan.

I'm sure that when that AD was approaching potential candidates about an impending job opening, and when they were asking why the job wasn't open yet, a response of "we're waiting for his buyout to get lower so we can afford it" didn't go over well.

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

[Rhody72]

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

What is the status of negotiations on the Cox buy-out?

[Rhody15]

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

What is the status of negotiations on the Cox buy-out?

Who cares

[theblueram]

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

What is the status of negotiations on the Cox buy-out?

He was bought out

[steviep123]

Matta makes the most sense if he wants to get back into coaching. He had a long successful career at Ohio St before stepping down with health concerns. Chris Holtman left Butler for Ohio State and don’t see him taking a step backwards. (Although that part could be an April fools joke)

[TruePoint]

Matta makes the most sense if he wants to get back into coaching. He had a long successful career at Ohio St before stepping down with health concerns. Chris Holtman left Butler for Ohio State and don’t see him taking a step backwards. (Although that part could be an April fools joke)

Isn’t it the same thing as Sean Miller at Xavier?

[ramster]

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

What is the status of negotiations on the Cox buy-out?

He was bought out

Is it final? What was the amount?

[ace]

Yeah, why would Holtmann leave Ohio State?

[steviep123]

Matta makes the most sense if he wants to get back into coaching. He had a long successful career at Ohio St before stepping down with health concerns. Chris Holtman left Butler for Ohio State and don’t see him taking a step backwards. (Although that part could be an April fools joke)

Isn’t it the same thing as Sean Miller at Xavier?

Miller was fired from Arizona. AFAIK, Holtmann is stilll at Ohio State. NCAA every year except COVID though never past second round. So unless Ohio State fires him it’s a step down.

[theblueram]

What is the status of negotiations on the Cox buy-out?

He was bought out

Is it final? What was the amount?

Who cares

[Jersey77]

Matta makes the most sense if he wants to get back into coaching. He had a long successful career at Ohio St before stepping down with health concerns. Chris Holtman left Butler for Ohio State and don’t see him taking a step backwards. (Although that part could be an April fools joke)

Boals, Groce, and Nored are the only "real candidates" that make sense from that list.

[TruePoint]

Matta makes the most sense if he wants to get back into coaching. He had a long successful career at Ohio St before stepping down with health concerns. Chris Holtman left Butler for Ohio State and don’t see him taking a step backwards. (Although that part could be an April fools joke)

Isn’t it the same thing as Sean Miller at Xavier?

Miller was fired from Arizona. AFAIK, Holtmann is stilll at Ohio State. NCAA every year except COVID though never past second round. So unless Ohio State fires him it’s a step down.

Ha good point. I guess I assumed because he was on that list that he must not be at Ohio State anymore. I do not follow Midwest coaching comings and goings all that closely so figured I might have missed something.

[ramster]

Must have been paining their AD to watch Archie to URI go down. Oh well, timing is everything…

If their AD was planning this for some time, he could have easily reached out to Archie via intermediaries while he was available. It is even possible that happened and Miller may not have had any interest as he might not have wanted his next job to be in Indiana so close to his last gig in the state.

Again. People acting like these hiring processes only start when a coach is fired are missing the mark. No first rate athletic department operates that way. Back channels are everything. (This is also a thinly veiled shot at UMass because it actually seemed like they operated that way).

If Archie actually wanted to stay in Indiana and deal with that blowback every day from the larger program in his state, he would have. They would've already had conversations and he certainly wouldn't have accepted the job here.

I hope people can stop chicken littling and acting like we're some charity case lucky to swindle Archie into coming here. Archie is here because he believes in Thorr, and what URI can be - and because Thorr was finally given the support to for us to operate like a first-class institution.

Archie had his choice of jobs. Literally just about any job in America would've been lucky to get him. He chose URI. It's not like we were his only option, he wanted to be here.

As for Butler - their AD obviously knew he was firing their coach. He just pulled a cheap-ass move to save a couple hundred thousand dollars waiting for the buyout to expire- and negatively impact all of the coaches under Jordan.

I'm sure that when that AD was approaching potential candidates about an impending job opening, and when they were asking why the job wasn't open yet, a response of "we're waiting for his buyout to get lower so we can afford it" didn't go over well.

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

Blue Man,

What makes you think that UMASS did not use back channels? or UMASS did not do anything prior to the firing of their HC?
Now that UMASS has their new HC in place what do you think of the end result? How would you rank the hire of Martin 1 - 10?

[ramster]

There are now 49 Head Coaching Changes in D1.

With 350 D1 teams that is a new HC for every 7 D1 Teams. Not sure what the record is in a season but my guess is that is the highest ever.

[Blue Man]

If their AD was planning this for some time, he could have easily reached out to Archie via intermediaries while he was available. It is even possible that happened and Miller may not have had any interest as he might not have wanted his next job to be in Indiana so close to his last gig in the state.

Again. People acting like these hiring processes only start when a coach is fired are missing the mark. No first rate athletic department operates that way. Back channels are everything. (This is also a thinly veiled shot at UMass because it actually seemed like they operated that way).

If Archie actually wanted to stay in Indiana and deal with that blowback every day from the larger program in his state, he would have. They would've already had conversations and he certainly wouldn't have accepted the job here.

I hope people can stop chicken littling and acting like we're some charity case lucky to swindle Archie into coming here. Archie is here because he believes in Thorr, and what URI can be - and because Thorr was finally given the support to for us to operate like a first-class institution.

Archie had his choice of jobs. Literally just about any job in America would've been lucky to get him. He chose URI. It's not like we were his only option, he wanted to be here.

As for Butler - their AD obviously knew he was firing their coach. He just pulled a cheap-ass move to save a couple hundred thousand dollars waiting for the buyout to expire- and negatively impact all of the coaches under Jordan.

I'm sure that when that AD was approaching potential candidates about an impending job opening, and when they were asking why the job wasn't open yet, a response of "we're waiting for his buyout to get lower so we can afford it" didn't go over well.

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

Blue Man,

What makes you think that UMASS did not use back channels? or UMASS did not do anything prior to the firing of their HC?
Now that UMASS has their new HC in place what do you think of the end result? How would you rank the hire of Martin 1 - 10?

The hire was a 9/10.

The fake firing of the coach and letting him coach the rest of the year was 0/10.

The desperate public announcement about how they were going to commit to basketball was 2/10.

[TruePoint]

Again. People acting like these hiring processes only start when a coach is fired are missing the mark. No first rate athletic department operates that way. Back channels are everything. (This is also a thinly veiled shot at UMass because it actually seemed like they operated that way).

If Archie actually wanted to stay in Indiana and deal with that blowback every day from the larger program in his state, he would have. They would've already had conversations and he certainly wouldn't have accepted the job here.

I hope people can stop chicken littling and acting like we're some charity case lucky to swindle Archie into coming here. Archie is here because he believes in Thorr, and what URI can be - and because Thorr was finally given the support to for us to operate like a first-class institution.

Archie had his choice of jobs. Literally just about any job in America would've been lucky to get him. He chose URI. It's not like we were his only option, he wanted to be here.

As for Butler - their AD obviously knew he was firing their coach. He just pulled a cheap-ass move to save a couple hundred thousand dollars waiting for the buyout to expire- and negatively impact all of the coaches under Jordan.

I'm sure that when that AD was approaching potential candidates about an impending job opening, and when they were asking why the job wasn't open yet, a response of "we're waiting for his buyout to get lower so we can afford it" didn't go over well.

If you were a prospective coach - would you want to work for a program that operated in any of the following scenarios?

a) work for a place that would try to screw you every which way out of any penny you could possibly make on a technicality
b) screw you and your staff out of searching for potential jobs several weeks into a hiring cycle
c) be so cheap in an environment like college basketball where money is spent like water, and so important to the program - but a couple hundred thousand was hard to come by
d) all of the above?

Butler is d. That's sad. URI is not. Any coach would've chose URI over Butler when you lay it out like that.

Blue Man,

What makes you think that UMASS did not use back channels? or UMASS did not do anything prior to the firing of their HC?
Now that UMASS has their new HC in place what do you think of the end result? How would you rank the hire of Martin 1 - 10?

The hire was a 9/10.

The fake firing of the coach and letting him coach the rest of the year was 0/10.

The desperate public announcement about how they were going to commit to basketball was 2/10.

I’d give it like 7.5/10, personally. No doubt that Martin has cache and has demonstrated he can coach and win. To get a guy like that at UMass right now is a major coup. But if I’m being honest I’ve never really liked Martin and his Mississippi football coach, performatively pickup-truck-guy, culture war vibe. If I were a high school kid and I had my choice to play for a guy like that or someone else at another school as likely to win and give me minutes, I’d NEVER pick that guy. Ever. If UMass was my best offer and my other choices were like mid-tier A10 schools and smaller programs I’d take my chances because I do think he’ll make them relevant. But on a personal level just not my thing.

[Rhody72]

He was bought out

It was my understanding that the actual amount of the buy-out was still being negotiated. At one point I heard that Cox wanted ~$1M while his base salary for 2 years would be ~$600K.

[ace]

A little surprised by this hire, but I am way more surprised to learn that he is only 54.

The A10 got better with their hirings, but so did the Big East.

[RF1]

A little surprised by this hire, but I am way more surprised to learn that he is only 54.

The A10 got better with their hirings, but so did the Big East.

Butler fired Jordan 04/01/22. Matta is hired to replace him within 48 hours. Logic dictates that Butler and Matta had been working on this for far longer, perhaps even weeks or months.