Re: Men's Basketball 2023-24 Prediction Contest Chatter
Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:33 am
The record will show Ramster was in.
You went from guessing the most wins last year, to the most losses this year - that's pretty much the definition of a heel move. It's also the prediction contest, not the game theory contest, so I think there is the assumption from all participants that people are making entries about what they think will actually happen. I apologize if my tone came off as too flippant, but from the subhead naming, I think its pretty clear that the post was in jest.ramster wrote: ↑6 months agoI don't understand why you call this a last minute heel move. Pretty mean spirited.SGreenwell wrote: ↑6 months ago Much like Obie used to do, here is a summary, and some highlights and "highlights," of the guesses for this year's contest...
Pure Averages and Figures. We had 71 entries this year, with an average prediction of 17.27 wins, 13.73 losses, 9.1 A-10 wins and 8.90 losses. The crowd expects PPG of 69.81, with the leading scorer - whoever that might be - pouring in 15.49 per game. Jaden House was the overwhelming favorite for that honor. Average attendance is guessed at 4,787.90.
I did split the guesses into pre- and post-exhibition for fun, to see if there was a major difference. The answer? Not so much! Pre-exhibition, the guesses averaged out to 17.05 wins and 13.95 losses. Post-exhibition, there was a slight budge upward to 17.27 and 13.73.
The Extremes. Rhodylaw is the high guesser in this year's contest, with 23. After that, three people tie with 21 overall wins - UCH21377, The Dude and Blue Man. Rhodylaw is also the high man when it comes to conference wins (13), with Blue Man and UCH21377 guessing 12.
On the other end of the spectrum, ramster pulls the last minute heel move! His guess of 10 overall wins is one less than mine, and three less than RI_Bred, ramfan85 and Not Mike Powell. Ramster, Not Mike Powell and myself each had a low guess of 5 conference wins.
Means, Medians and Modes. The average win total guess was 17.27 wins. Not surprisingly, there were 11 people who guessed 17 wins, and 13 that guessed 18 wins - the latter was the highest concentration of guesses for a win total. A dozen people guessed 19 wins, and eight had 20 wins. The median guess belongs to Spar (and others at 18 wins). Everyone who guessed 18 wins also guessed either 8, 9 or 10 conference wins. By far the most guessed path for URI this year is a somewhat good or gaudy OOC record (something like 8-5 to 10-3), followed by a near .500 performance in the conference slate.
POINTS! House is the overwhelming favorite to lead the team in PPG, earning the nod from 55(!) entries, roughly 77 percent of the entries. Montgomery "earned" second place with seven nods (9.8 percent). Fuchs and Kortright tallied four ballots each (5.63 percent), while ramster was the lone vote for Foumena (1.4 percent).
Billyboy was the lone person to project more than 20 PPG for House (20.36), which was 2 more than Rhodysurf. URIFIJI had the low guess, with 12.69 for Kortright. Rhodyrudder had the low guess for House, at 13.25.
When it comes to team PPG, NYGFan_Section208, URIFIJI and STC think we're returning to Baron Ball, with guesses of 64.62, 64.69 and 64.7 respectively. Conversely, luke had a guess of 76.2 PPG, a full point greater than KevanBoyles (74.8) and rhodyrudder (74.44).
Are You Not Entertained?!? Ram96 edged out Rhody Guy for the highest attendance guess, 5425 vs. 5391. Billyboy78 (5309) and rhodylaw (5275) were just behind them. The median guess was Jdrums#3, with 4858, flanked by Rhody Sody (4855) and URIFIJI (4869). The Gloomy Guses of attendance are ramster (3900), Spookydog (3939) and NarraRamFan (3948).
For a Google sheet with all of this year's entries laid out, click here.
Anybody in the contest knows the deadlines. Always have. I went for the extreme. Last season I went the other way picking the most wins and entered it last minute. Even admitted that was my strategy when questioned how stupid I could be picking so many wins. This year I went extreme low end. Doesn't even mean I think that's what will for sure happen. So please just take my out of the contest.
Please remove me from the contest in all of the categories. I'm out. I wasn't planning on taking the money anyway. Let it go to others.
Apology accepted. Definitely came across as flippant. It just so happened you had the lowest total. Sorry I picked below you and made you mad.SGreenwell wrote: ↑6 months agoYou went from guessing the most wins last year, to the most losses this year - that's pretty much the definition of a heel move. It's also the prediction contest, not the game theory contest, so I think there is the assumption from all participants that people are making entries about what they think will actually happen. I apologize if my tone came off as too flippant, but from the subhead naming, I think its pretty clear that the post was in jest.ramster wrote: ↑6 months agoI don't understand why you call this a last minute heel move. Pretty mean spirited.SGreenwell wrote: ↑6 months ago Much like Obie used to do, here is a summary, and some highlights and "highlights," of the guesses for this year's contest...
Pure Averages and Figures. We had 71 entries this year, with an average prediction of 17.27 wins, 13.73 losses, 9.1 A-10 wins and 8.90 losses. The crowd expects PPG of 69.81, with the leading scorer - whoever that might be - pouring in 15.49 per game. Jaden House was the overwhelming favorite for that honor. Average attendance is guessed at 4,787.90.
I did split the guesses into pre- and post-exhibition for fun, to see if there was a major difference. The answer? Not so much! Pre-exhibition, the guesses averaged out to 17.05 wins and 13.95 losses. Post-exhibition, there was a slight budge upward to 17.27 and 13.73.
The Extremes. Rhodylaw is the high guesser in this year's contest, with 23. After that, three people tie with 21 overall wins - UCH21377, The Dude and Blue Man. Rhodylaw is also the high man when it comes to conference wins (13), with Blue Man and UCH21377 guessing 12.
On the other end of the spectrum, ramster pulls the last minute heel move! His guess of 10 overall wins is one less than mine, and three less than RI_Bred, ramfan85 and Not Mike Powell. Ramster, Not Mike Powell and myself each had a low guess of 5 conference wins.
Means, Medians and Modes. The average win total guess was 17.27 wins. Not surprisingly, there were 11 people who guessed 17 wins, and 13 that guessed 18 wins - the latter was the highest concentration of guesses for a win total. A dozen people guessed 19 wins, and eight had 20 wins. The median guess belongs to Spar (and others at 18 wins). Everyone who guessed 18 wins also guessed either 8, 9 or 10 conference wins. By far the most guessed path for URI this year is a somewhat good or gaudy OOC record (something like 8-5 to 10-3), followed by a near .500 performance in the conference slate.
POINTS! House is the overwhelming favorite to lead the team in PPG, earning the nod from 55(!) entries, roughly 77 percent of the entries. Montgomery "earned" second place with seven nods (9.8 percent). Fuchs and Kortright tallied four ballots each (5.63 percent), while ramster was the lone vote for Foumena (1.4 percent).
Billyboy was the lone person to project more than 20 PPG for House (20.36), which was 2 more than Rhodysurf. URIFIJI had the low guess, with 12.69 for Kortright. Rhodyrudder had the low guess for House, at 13.25.
When it comes to team PPG, NYGFan_Section208, URIFIJI and STC think we're returning to Baron Ball, with guesses of 64.62, 64.69 and 64.7 respectively. Conversely, luke had a guess of 76.2 PPG, a full point greater than KevanBoyles (74.8) and rhodyrudder (74.44).
Are You Not Entertained?!? Ram96 edged out Rhody Guy for the highest attendance guess, 5425 vs. 5391. Billyboy78 (5309) and rhodylaw (5275) were just behind them. The median guess was Jdrums#3, with 4858, flanked by Rhody Sody (4855) and URIFIJI (4869). The Gloomy Guses of attendance are ramster (3900), Spookydog (3939) and NarraRamFan (3948).
For a Google sheet with all of this year's entries laid out, click here.
Anybody in the contest knows the deadlines. Always have. I went for the extreme. Last season I went the other way picking the most wins and entered it last minute. Even admitted that was my strategy when questioned how stupid I could be picking so many wins. This year I went extreme low end. Doesn't even mean I think that's what will for sure happen. So please just take my out of the contest.
Please remove me from the contest in all of the categories. I'm out. I wasn't planning on taking the money anyway. Let it go to others.
Finally, if you win, you can opt to not claim the prize - and it'll go to whoever came in second - or designate someone else to receive it. There isn't much point to "removing" the guess, since its four days later and was factored into all of the summary topics. Its not like people are going to forget if we prune it out.
Hahahaha my god dude you are charmin soft.ramster wrote: ↑6 months agoI don't understand why you call this a last minute heel move. Pretty mean spirited.SGreenwell wrote: ↑6 months ago Much like Obie used to do, here is a summary, and some highlights and "highlights," of the guesses for this year's contest...
Pure Averages and Figures. We had 71 entries this year, with an average prediction of 17.27 wins, 13.73 losses, 9.1 A-10 wins and 8.90 losses. The crowd expects PPG of 69.81, with the leading scorer - whoever that might be - pouring in 15.49 per game. Jaden House was the overwhelming favorite for that honor. Average attendance is guessed at 4,787.90.
I did split the guesses into pre- and post-exhibition for fun, to see if there was a major difference. The answer? Not so much! Pre-exhibition, the guesses averaged out to 17.05 wins and 13.95 losses. Post-exhibition, there was a slight budge upward to 17.27 and 13.73.
The Extremes. Rhodylaw is the high guesser in this year's contest, with 23. After that, three people tie with 21 overall wins - UCH21377, The Dude and Blue Man. Rhodylaw is also the high man when it comes to conference wins (13), with Blue Man and UCH21377 guessing 12.
On the other end of the spectrum, ramster pulls the last minute heel move! His guess of 10 overall wins is one less than mine, and three less than RI_Bred, ramfan85 and Not Mike Powell. Ramster, Not Mike Powell and myself each had a low guess of 5 conference wins.
Means, Medians and Modes. The average win total guess was 17.27 wins. Not surprisingly, there were 11 people who guessed 17 wins, and 13 that guessed 18 wins - the latter was the highest concentration of guesses for a win total. A dozen people guessed 19 wins, and eight had 20 wins. The median guess belongs to Spar (and others at 18 wins). Everyone who guessed 18 wins also guessed either 8, 9 or 10 conference wins. By far the most guessed path for URI this year is a somewhat good or gaudy OOC record (something like 8-5 to 10-3), followed by a near .500 performance in the conference slate.
POINTS! House is the overwhelming favorite to lead the team in PPG, earning the nod from 55(!) entries, roughly 77 percent of the entries. Montgomery "earned" second place with seven nods (9.8 percent). Fuchs and Kortright tallied four ballots each (5.63 percent), while ramster was the lone vote for Foumena (1.4 percent).
Billyboy was the lone person to project more than 20 PPG for House (20.36), which was 2 more than Rhodysurf. URIFIJI had the low guess, with 12.69 for Kortright. Rhodyrudder had the low guess for House, at 13.25.
When it comes to team PPG, NYGFan_Section208, URIFIJI and STC think we're returning to Baron Ball, with guesses of 64.62, 64.69 and 64.7 respectively. Conversely, luke had a guess of 76.2 PPG, a full point greater than KevanBoyles (74.8) and rhodyrudder (74.44).
Are You Not Entertained?!? Ram96 edged out Rhody Guy for the highest attendance guess, 5425 vs. 5391. Billyboy78 (5309) and rhodylaw (5275) were just behind them. The median guess was Jdrums#3, with 4858, flanked by Rhody Sody (4855) and URIFIJI (4869). The Gloomy Guses of attendance are ramster (3900), Spookydog (3939) and NarraRamFan (3948).
For a Google sheet with all of this year's entries laid out, click here.
Anybody in the contest knows the deadlines. Always have. I went for the extreme. Last season I went the other way picking the most wins and entered it last minute. Even admitted that was my strategy when questioned how stupid I could be picking so many wins. This year I went extreme low end. Doesn't even mean I think that's what will for sure happen. So please just take my out of the contest.
Please remove me from the contest in all of the categories. I'm out. I wasn't planning on taking the money anyway. Let it go to others.
THANKS SHITHEADRhody15 wrote: ↑6 months agoHahahaha my god dude you are charmin soft.ramster wrote: ↑6 months agoI don't understand why you call this a last minute heel move. Pretty mean spirited.SGreenwell wrote: ↑6 months ago Much like Obie used to do, here is a summary, and some highlights and "highlights," of the guesses for this year's contest...
Pure Averages and Figures. We had 71 entries this year, with an average prediction of 17.27 wins, 13.73 losses, 9.1 A-10 wins and 8.90 losses. The crowd expects PPG of 69.81, with the leading scorer - whoever that might be - pouring in 15.49 per game. Jaden House was the overwhelming favorite for that honor. Average attendance is guessed at 4,787.90.
I did split the guesses into pre- and post-exhibition for fun, to see if there was a major difference. The answer? Not so much! Pre-exhibition, the guesses averaged out to 17.05 wins and 13.95 losses. Post-exhibition, there was a slight budge upward to 17.27 and 13.73.
The Extremes. Rhodylaw is the high guesser in this year's contest, with 23. After that, three people tie with 21 overall wins - UCH21377, The Dude and Blue Man. Rhodylaw is also the high man when it comes to conference wins (13), with Blue Man and UCH21377 guessing 12.
On the other end of the spectrum, ramster pulls the last minute heel move! His guess of 10 overall wins is one less than mine, and three less than RI_Bred, ramfan85 and Not Mike Powell. Ramster, Not Mike Powell and myself each had a low guess of 5 conference wins.
Means, Medians and Modes. The average win total guess was 17.27 wins. Not surprisingly, there were 11 people who guessed 17 wins, and 13 that guessed 18 wins - the latter was the highest concentration of guesses for a win total. A dozen people guessed 19 wins, and eight had 20 wins. The median guess belongs to Spar (and others at 18 wins). Everyone who guessed 18 wins also guessed either 8, 9 or 10 conference wins. By far the most guessed path for URI this year is a somewhat good or gaudy OOC record (something like 8-5 to 10-3), followed by a near .500 performance in the conference slate.
POINTS! House is the overwhelming favorite to lead the team in PPG, earning the nod from 55(!) entries, roughly 77 percent of the entries. Montgomery "earned" second place with seven nods (9.8 percent). Fuchs and Kortright tallied four ballots each (5.63 percent), while ramster was the lone vote for Foumena (1.4 percent).
Billyboy was the lone person to project more than 20 PPG for House (20.36), which was 2 more than Rhodysurf. URIFIJI had the low guess, with 12.69 for Kortright. Rhodyrudder had the low guess for House, at 13.25.
When it comes to team PPG, NYGFan_Section208, URIFIJI and STC think we're returning to Baron Ball, with guesses of 64.62, 64.69 and 64.7 respectively. Conversely, luke had a guess of 76.2 PPG, a full point greater than KevanBoyles (74.8) and rhodyrudder (74.44).
Are You Not Entertained?!? Ram96 edged out Rhody Guy for the highest attendance guess, 5425 vs. 5391. Billyboy78 (5309) and rhodylaw (5275) were just behind them. The median guess was Jdrums#3, with 4858, flanked by Rhody Sody (4855) and URIFIJI (4869). The Gloomy Guses of attendance are ramster (3900), Spookydog (3939) and NarraRamFan (3948).
For a Google sheet with all of this year's entries laid out, click here.
Anybody in the contest knows the deadlines. Always have. I went for the extreme. Last season I went the other way picking the most wins and entered it last minute. Even admitted that was my strategy when questioned how stupid I could be picking so many wins. This year I went extreme low end. Doesn't even mean I think that's what will for sure happen. So please just take my out of the contest.
Please remove me from the contest in all of the categories. I'm out. I wasn't planning on taking the money anyway. Let it go to others.
I got ya, ramster. Just stay in the contest and if you win, I'll take the cash. No worries.ramster wrote: ↑6 months agoI don't understand why you call this a last minute heel move. Pretty mean spirited.SGreenwell wrote: ↑6 months ago Much like Obie used to do, here is a summary, and some highlights and "highlights," of the guesses for this year's contest...
Pure Averages and Figures. We had 71 entries this year, with an average prediction of 17.27 wins, 13.73 losses, 9.1 A-10 wins and 8.90 losses. The crowd expects PPG of 69.81, with the leading scorer - whoever that might be - pouring in 15.49 per game. Jaden House was the overwhelming favorite for that honor. Average attendance is guessed at 4,787.90.
I did split the guesses into pre- and post-exhibition for fun, to see if there was a major difference. The answer? Not so much! Pre-exhibition, the guesses averaged out to 17.05 wins and 13.95 losses. Post-exhibition, there was a slight budge upward to 17.27 and 13.73.
The Extremes. Rhodylaw is the high guesser in this year's contest, with 23. After that, three people tie with 21 overall wins - UCH21377, The Dude and Blue Man. Rhodylaw is also the high man when it comes to conference wins (13), with Blue Man and UCH21377 guessing 12.
On the other end of the spectrum, ramster pulls the last minute heel move! His guess of 10 overall wins is one less than mine, and three less than RI_Bred, ramfan85 and Not Mike Powell. Ramster, Not Mike Powell and myself each had a low guess of 5 conference wins.
Means, Medians and Modes. The average win total guess was 17.27 wins. Not surprisingly, there were 11 people who guessed 17 wins, and 13 that guessed 18 wins - the latter was the highest concentration of guesses for a win total. A dozen people guessed 19 wins, and eight had 20 wins. The median guess belongs to Spar (and others at 18 wins). Everyone who guessed 18 wins also guessed either 8, 9 or 10 conference wins. By far the most guessed path for URI this year is a somewhat good or gaudy OOC record (something like 8-5 to 10-3), followed by a near .500 performance in the conference slate.
POINTS! House is the overwhelming favorite to lead the team in PPG, earning the nod from 55(!) entries, roughly 77 percent of the entries. Montgomery "earned" second place with seven nods (9.8 percent). Fuchs and Kortright tallied four ballots each (5.63 percent), while ramster was the lone vote for Foumena (1.4 percent).
Billyboy was the lone person to project more than 20 PPG for House (20.36), which was 2 more than Rhodysurf. URIFIJI had the low guess, with 12.69 for Kortright. Rhodyrudder had the low guess for House, at 13.25.
When it comes to team PPG, NYGFan_Section208, URIFIJI and STC think we're returning to Baron Ball, with guesses of 64.62, 64.69 and 64.7 respectively. Conversely, luke had a guess of 76.2 PPG, a full point greater than KevanBoyles (74.8) and rhodyrudder (74.44).
Are You Not Entertained?!? Ram96 edged out Rhody Guy for the highest attendance guess, 5425 vs. 5391. Billyboy78 (5309) and rhodylaw (5275) were just behind them. The median guess was Jdrums#3, with 4858, flanked by Rhody Sody (4855) and URIFIJI (4869). The Gloomy Guses of attendance are ramster (3900), Spookydog (3939) and NarraRamFan (3948).
For a Google sheet with all of this year's entries laid out, click here.
Anybody in the contest knows the deadlines. Always have. I went for the extreme. Last season I went the other way picking the most wins and entered it last minute. Even admitted that was my strategy when questioned how stupid I could be picking so many wins. This year I went extreme low end. Doesn't even mean I think that's what will for sure happen. So please just take my out of the contest.
Please remove me from the contest in all of the categories. I'm out. I wasn't planning on taking the money anyway. Let it go to others.
This is what I predicted. Only game I’ve missed has been Yale. I predicted a loss to Yale.theblueram wrote: ↑5 months ago If I looked at this correctly, if Rhody loses to NE, not one person predicted the OOC correctly. If they win, SGreenwell, RamFan85, URIFIJI and Rhody74 have predicted the OOC correctly. Something to look forward too.
Really good job so far Ramster !!ramster wrote: ↑5 months agoThis is what I predicted. Only game I’ve missed has been Yale. I predicted a loss to Yale.theblueram wrote: ↑5 months ago If I looked at this correctly, if Rhody loses to NE, not one person predicted the OOC correctly. If they win, SGreenwell, RamFan85, URIFIJI and Rhody74 have predicted the OOC correctly. Something to look forward too.
I predicted a win vs Northeastern so a loss would offset Yale and we would end up OOC 5-8 as I expected.
central ct state Home w
Fairfield Home w
Wagner Home w
Northwestern Neutral l
Mississippi State/Washington State Neutral l
J&W Home w
Yale Home l - wrong
PC Away l
Brown Home l
AT College of Charleston Away l
Delaware Neutral l
UNH Home l
Northeastern Home w 5 8
Ha, RhodyMob05 initially had him as their pick, but I believe he changed after the exhibition, when it seemed like Green would be ineligible for the year.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 months ago Green now leads the team with an average of 15 PPG. Anybody pick him?
I’m sticking with 12-6. This team completely healthy is different. Green gives us a versatility that we didn’t have for the OOC.
12-6 at this point, not sure we are that good Blue Man.Blue Man wrote: ↑4 months agoI’m sticking with 12-6. This team completely healthy is different. Green gives us a versatility that we didn’t have for the OOC.
I like the changes Archie has made. Cam is finding himself and could look like a freshman of the year type player.
And again, no one in the conference is unbeatable.
I'd be surprised if we got to 12-6 if we keep exclusively playing Fuchs and Brown at the 5. Fuchs is fine, but if Bilau and Fou are healthy then Brown should not he ahead of them. No way.Blue Man wrote: ↑4 months agoI’m sticking with 12-6. This team completely healthy is different. Green gives us a versatility that we didn’t have for the OOC.
I like the changes Archie has made. Cam is finding himself and could look like a freshman of the year type player.
And again, no one in the conference is unbeatable.
Need some Charmin ?theblueram wrote: ↑3 months ago I believe I picked 18-13 for a final record. This team would have to go 8-2 the final 10 games. OOOF!!!
This is exactly what it boils down to for me to Jersey. Not even that mad or surprised about the record, its how we looked in the process and some of the comments along the way about how the team handles adversity. Never expected any of that.
That is a tough stretch for the A10 (8th ranked NET conference currently), Jersey. Good pick up.
I’d be happy with 1 out of the next 3. That would be a win.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑3 months agoThat is a tough stretch for the A10 (8th ranked NET conference currently), Jersey. Good pick up.
UMass: I don’t expect a win on the road.
Loyola: We are home so we have a better shot at a win.
Richmond: Also home but a tougher game than Loyola, imho.
2 and 1 in this upcoming 3 game stretch would be a home run for this Rhody team. I just don’t know if we can pull it off because of our inconsistency. I have no idea what to expect from this team game to game or even half to half within games.
Y'all can just call me Peterdamous from now onSGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago As we head down the stretch, we have eight games left, and URI has notched 11 wins already. So far:
- 13 people have been eliminated, because they predicted 10 or less wins, or 20 or more wins.
- Another 14 entries will be eliminated after one more win (me) or one more loss (the other 13 entries).
- I don't think there has ever been a minimum games threshold for PPG, or, doing it by total points. Both are probably things I'll broach before next year's content. Right now, David Green leads with 15.6 PPG, followed by Jaden House with 15.0. Kortright and Montgomery are both around 10.3 PPG. Nobody picked Green for the contest, so if he leads the team in PPG, I'd probably instead award the prize to the second place PPG, which would be House. There are 19 people that guessed between 14.5 and 15.5 for House, so plenty of people still alive for this one! Jdrums#3 guesses 15.01, so he's the current leader if things ended today.
- URI is averaging 73.9 PPG. There are 16 guesses between 74.8 and 72 PPG. Closest to the number right now are PeterRamTime (73.91!) and hrstrat57 (74.1).
- Per game attendance is sitting at 4,197, according to the cumulative stats on GoRhody. Assuming a final range of 4,100 to 4,300, there are about six people in that range. 3mm's and NHRamFan are the closest to the current number, at 4155 and 4231.
Really good numbers SG ! You are the man !SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 months ago As we head down the stretch, we have eight games left, and URI has notched 11 wins already. So far:
- 13 people have been eliminated, because they predicted 10 or less wins, or 20 or more wins.
- Another 14 entries will be eliminated after one more win (me) or one more loss (the other 13 entries).
- I don't think there has ever been a minimum games threshold for PPG, or, doing it by total points. Both are probably things I'll broach before next year's content. Right now, David Green leads with 15.6 PPG, followed by Jaden House with 15.0. Kortright and Montgomery are both around 10.3 PPG. Nobody picked Green for the contest, so if he leads the team in PPG, I'd probably instead award the prize to the second place PPG, which would be House. There are 19 people that guessed between 14.5 and 15.5 for House, so plenty of people still alive for this one! Jdrums#3 guesses 15.01, so he's the current leader if things ended today.
- URI is averaging 73.9 PPG. There are 16 guesses between 74.8 and 72 PPG. Closest to the number right now are PeterRamTime (73.91!) and hrstrat57 (74.1).
- Per game attendance is sitting at 4,197, according to the cumulative stats on GoRhody. Assuming a final range of 4,100 to 4,300, there are about six people in that range. 3mm's and NHRamFan are the closest to the current number, at 4155 and 4231.