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He may end up at a better program and therefore end up with a bigger NIL deal by default, but I don't think he is leaving because he is expecting a bunch of teams to being lined up with huge money offers for him to pick from. Of the schools on his list so far, I think there are maybe two or three schools on there that might be notably above us in the NIL game.
Maybe, but these days a lot of it has to do with who has been whispering what in his ear.adam914 wrote: ↑6 months agoHe may end up at a better program and therefore end up with a bigger NIL deal by default, but I don't think he is leaving because he is expecting a bunch of teams to being lined up with huge money offers for him to pick from. Of the schools on his list so far, I think there are maybe two or three schools on there that might be notably above us in the NIL game.
I don't know, I think a lot of it probably has to do with the fact that Archie wouldn't even put him in the game by the end of the season to.RI_Bred wrote: ↑6 months agoMaybe, but these days a lot of it has to do with who has been whispering what in his ear.adam914 wrote: ↑6 months agoHe may end up at a better program and therefore end up with a bigger NIL deal by default, but I don't think he is leaving because he is expecting a bunch of teams to being lined up with huge money offers for him to pick from. Of the schools on his list so far, I think there are maybe two or three schools on there that might be notably above us in the NIL game.
Yeah I'm sure there are a lot of factors weighing in. Bottom line he's gone. Hope to replace with upgrade.adam914 wrote: ↑6 months agoI don't know, I think a lot of it probably has to do with the fact that Archie wouldn't even put him in the game by the end of the season to.RI_Bred wrote: ↑6 months agoMaybe, but these days a lot of it has to do with who has been whispering what in his ear.adam914 wrote: ↑6 months ago
He may end up at a better program and therefore end up with a bigger NIL deal by default, but I don't think he is leaving because he is expecting a bunch of teams to being lined up with huge money offers for him to pick from. Of the schools on his list so far, I think there are maybe two or three schools on there that might be notably above us in the NIL game.
Is this the same source that had Rhody last year at 400k?section(105) wrote: ↑6 months agoIf accurate, no reason to think it is not, those numbers kinda give the costs of getting off the porch and running with the big dogs. As someone said on here, we are not competing with the major conferences we are competing in the A-10 upper tier.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑6 months ago Dayton $1,000,000
St. Louis $750,000
St. Bonaventure $440,000
Loyola Chicago $300,000+
St. Joe's $200,000, a car, plus
There you go. You want an All-Atlantic 10 first or second teamer you're looking at a 6 figure deal, and you need to be in six figures to even be in the top half of the league. Hate it or love it, that's where things stand. If you don't want to play the game and don't want to support Rhody Excellence apply for America East membership now
I could be mistaken but I believe the 400K was reported by GoLocal Prov.McRam wrote: ↑6 months agoIs this the same source that had Rhody last year at 400k?section(105) wrote: ↑6 months agoIf accurate, no reason to think it is not, those numbers kinda give the costs of getting off the porch and running with the big dogs. As someone said on here, we are not competing with the major conferences we are competing in the A-10 upper tier.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑6 months ago Dayton $1,000,000
St. Louis $750,000
St. Bonaventure $440,000
Loyola Chicago $300,000+
St. Joe's $200,000, a car, plus
There you go. You want an All-Atlantic 10 first or second teamer you're looking at a 6 figure deal, and you need to be in six figures to even be in the top half of the league. Hate it or love it, that's where things stand. If you don't want to play the game and don't want to support Rhody Excellence apply for America East membership now
they prolly meant 401KRhody15 wrote: ↑5 months agoI could be mistaken but I believe the 400K was reported by GoLocal Prov.McRam wrote: ↑6 months agoIs this the same source that had Rhody last year at 400k?section(105) wrote: ↑6 months ago
If accurate, no reason to think it is not, those numbers kinda give the costs of getting off the porch and running with the big dogs. As someone said on here, we are not competing with the major conferences we are competing in the A-10 upper tier.
And Wave 4: those who see the writing on the wall if their anticipated position for 2024-2024 gets filled in the Portal and their chance for a starting position and/or chance for reduced playing time causes them to look elsewhere.bigappleram wrote: ↑5 months ago They (Umass) did the same thing with RJ Luis last year and a few weeks/months later he accepted a bigger bag to go to St John's.
Seems like there are 3 waves to the portalers...
Wave 1: those leaving no matter what due to role, PT or bigger bag. They announce quickly.
Wave 2: those that after meeting with their coach are told the realities of their role and situation for next season. They came out last week.
Wave 3: those that initially stay pat, then test the waters via coaches/representation to see if there is a better offer out there. This wave has started now and will continue until the portal closes.
There should be ramifications for that - if you sign a deal then opt out for a better deal then there should be ramifications to avoid poaching.ramster wrote: ↑5 months agoAnd Wave 4: those who see the writing on the wall if their anticipated position for 2024-2024 gets filled in the Portal and their chance for a starting position and/or chance for reduced playing time causes them to look elsewhere.bigappleram wrote: ↑5 months ago They (Umass) did the same thing with RJ Luis last year and a few weeks/months later he accepted a bigger bag to go to St John's.
Seems like there are 3 waves to the portalers...
Wave 1: those leaving no matter what due to role, PT or bigger bag. They announce quickly.
Wave 2: those that after meeting with their coach are told the realities of their role and situation for next season. They came out last week.
Wave 3: those that initially stay pat, then test the waters via coaches/representation to see if there is a better offer out there. This wave has started now and will continue until the portal closes.
RJ Luis was All Rookie A10 last year and Curry was All A10 Rookie this year. Luis accepted NIL package from UMass to stay but then opted for St John’s bigger NIL package. UMASS likely fighting off poachers at the door for Curry. Maybe best for URI that Fuchs and Estevez did not make All Rookie Team.
That's what's broken. You can't put any stipulations on a contract. You agree to pay player x to represent your "brand" for a year. That's it.steviep123 wrote: ↑5 months agoThere should be ramifications for that - if you sign a deal then opt out for a better deal then there should be ramifications to avoid poaching.ramster wrote: ↑5 months agoAnd Wave 4: those who see the writing on the wall if their anticipated position for 2024-2024 gets filled in the Portal and their chance for a starting position and/or chance for reduced playing time causes them to look elsewhere.bigappleram wrote: ↑5 months ago They (Umass) did the same thing with RJ Luis last year and a few weeks/months later he accepted a bigger bag to go to St John's.
Seems like there are 3 waves to the portalers...
Wave 1: those leaving no matter what due to role, PT or bigger bag. They announce quickly.
Wave 2: those that after meeting with their coach are told the realities of their role and situation for next season. They came out last week.
Wave 3: those that initially stay pat, then test the waters via coaches/representation to see if there is a better offer out there. This wave has started now and will continue until the portal closes.
RJ Luis was All Rookie A10 last year and Curry was All A10 Rookie this year. Luis accepted NIL package from UMass to stay but then opted for St John’s bigger NIL package. UMASS likely fighting off poachers at the door for Curry. Maybe best for URI that Fuchs and Estevez did not make All Rookie Team.
Definitely, but in the case of RJ Luis, it was weeks later if not less. It wasn't like he played the season "under contract" then moved on for a better deal. He signed with UMass and signed an NIL deal, then said, "nevermind, going with SJU instead."Blue Man wrote: ↑5 months agoThat's what's broken. You can't put any stipulations on a contract. You agree to pay player x to represent your "brand" for a year. That's it.steviep123 wrote: ↑5 months agoThere should be ramifications for that - if you sign a deal then opt out for a better deal then there should be ramifications to avoid poaching.ramster wrote: ↑5 months ago
And Wave 4: those who see the writing on the wall if their anticipated position for 2024-2024 gets filled in the Portal and their chance for a starting position and/or chance for reduced playing time causes them to look elsewhere.
RJ Luis was All Rookie A10 last year and Curry was All A10 Rookie this year. Luis accepted NIL package from UMass to stay but then opted for St John’s bigger NIL package. UMASS likely fighting off poachers at the door for Curry. Maybe best for URI that Fuchs and Estevez did not make All Rookie Team.
If you could attach multi-year incentives or buyouts, it would literally solve the problem. But for whatever reason they're not doing that.
It should be the same as the coaches.
Only the collectives with the most money to spend and in the best conferences where the kids want to play could start putting stipulations in the contracts as they have some leverage. All other schools can’t afford to piss off the kids, so it needs to start there in my opinion…if it’s even legal to do so.Blue Man wrote: ↑5 months agoThat's what's broken. You can't put any stipulations on a contract. You agree to pay player x to represent your "brand" for a year. That's it.steviep123 wrote: ↑5 months agoThere should be ramifications for that - if you sign a deal then opt out for a better deal then there should be ramifications to avoid poaching.ramster wrote: ↑5 months ago
And Wave 4: those who see the writing on the wall if their anticipated position for 2024-2024 gets filled in the Portal and their chance for a starting position and/or chance for reduced playing time causes them to look elsewhere.
RJ Luis was All Rookie A10 last year and Curry was All A10 Rookie this year. Luis accepted NIL package from UMass to stay but then opted for St John’s bigger NIL package. UMASS likely fighting off poachers at the door for Curry. Maybe best for URI that Fuchs and Estevez did not make All Rookie Team.
If you could attach multi-year incentives or buyouts, it would literally solve the problem. But for whatever reason they're not doing that.
It should be the same as the coaches.
I don't think it's changed anything to be honest. Substitute "NIL" for "donations to athletics" and it's the same thing.RIFan wrote: ↑5 months agoOnly the collectives with the most money to spend and in the best conferences where the kids want to play could start putting stipulations in the contracts as they have some leverage. All other schools can’t afford to piss off the kids, so it needs to start there in my opinion…if it’s even legal to do so.Blue Man wrote: ↑5 months agoThat's what's broken. You can't put any stipulations on a contract. You agree to pay player x to represent your "brand" for a year. That's it.steviep123 wrote: ↑5 months ago
There should be ramifications for that - if you sign a deal then opt out for a better deal then there should be ramifications to avoid poaching.
If you could attach multi-year incentives or buyouts, it would literally solve the problem. But for whatever reason they're not doing that.
It should be the same as the coaches.
But once again the whole NIL thing pisses me off how the NCAA and schools and coaches have pushed the problem they created onto the fans. I know it’s the way it is and I can bitch or just get with the program. But does it seem right that the average Joe fan is being asked to pay into a collective so the coach who is being paid millions of dollars can do his job? Isn’t that why he is paid millions of dollars, because he is supposed to be one of the best in the country at his job?
Well they wanted us to pay into athletics too...and we were consistently one of the bottom third teams in the conference when it came to that.RIFan wrote: ↑5 months ago I’m not saying I blame them for wanting us to pay into it now that it’s here. I put some of the blame on them as far as the players seeing the coaches salaries skyrocket over the last 20ish years is part of the reason they wanted a piece of the pie. It’s like seeing all these CEO pay packages and the renewed interest in unions. The NCAA, conferences and coaches should take less and let the players in on the hustle.
The NIL/Excellence would benefit themselves by disclosing periodically the amounts paid to individual players. Get the revenue and distribution out of the shadows. No?RI_Bred wrote: ↑5 months ago It's going to be a real uphill battle. I don't think there are nearly as many "fans" out there that are enough of a URI basketball fan to donate as some think there are. Apart from people on this message board (and many of the "senior" season ticket holders who probably have no idea there is a message board), most people I speak with locally - many who are URI alums and fair-weather fans - would not think of giving a dime to the program via NIL.
They don't understand it, and even if they do, they are suspicious or don't agree with it.
Hard core fans are easier to convince, but are a relatively small group due to our overall mediocre to poor performance over the past several years, which is what most fair-weather fans see as URI basketball. Tough economy on top of all of it currently. People just do not expect to have to help pay for their college basketball players.
I get the argument for donating to the NIL, it's been detailed. Some people can justify it in their minds as the only way forward. But in reality it's going to be really tough to convince a lot of every-day people to fund it, especially the casual fan, of which URI has many. It's a catch-22.
Would that put them at a disadvantage with other schools/collectives who could outbid us and steal our players?section(105) wrote: ↑5 months agoThe NIL/Excellence would benefit themselves by disclosing periodically the amounts paid to individual players. Get the revenue and distribution out of the shadows. No?RI_Bred wrote: ↑5 months ago It's going to be a real uphill battle. I don't think there are nearly as many "fans" out there that are enough of a URI basketball fan to donate as some think there are. Apart from people on this message board (and many of the "senior" season ticket holders who probably have no idea there is a message board), most people I speak with locally - many who are URI alums and fair-weather fans - would not think of giving a dime to the program via NIL.
They don't understand it, and even if they do, they are suspicious or don't agree with it.
Hard core fans are easier to convince, but are a relatively small group due to our overall mediocre to poor performance over the past several years, which is what most fair-weather fans see as URI basketball. Tough economy on top of all of it currently. People just do not expect to have to help pay for their college basketball players.
I get the argument for donating to the NIL, it's been detailed. Some people can justify it in their minds as the only way forward. But in reality it's going to be really tough to convince a lot of every-day people to fund it, especially the casual fan, of which URI has many. It's a catch-22.
Well yea, probably. I understand and just have his thing about just give, have faith, and probably neva know who made what.RhodyKyle wrote: ↑5 months agoWould that put them at a disadvantage with other schools/collectives who could outbid us and steal our players?section(105) wrote: ↑5 months agoThe NIL/Excellence would benefit themselves by disclosing periodically the amounts paid to individual players. Get the revenue and distribution out of the shadows. No?RI_Bred wrote: ↑5 months ago It's going to be a real uphill battle. I don't think there are nearly as many "fans" out there that are enough of a URI basketball fan to donate as some think there are. Apart from people on this message board (and many of the "senior" season ticket holders who probably have no idea there is a message board), most people I speak with locally - many who are URI alums and fair-weather fans - would not think of giving a dime to the program via NIL.
They don't understand it, and even if they do, they are suspicious or don't agree with it.
Hard core fans are easier to convince, but are a relatively small group due to our overall mediocre to poor performance over the past several years, which is what most fair-weather fans see as URI basketball. Tough economy on top of all of it currently. People just do not expect to have to help pay for their college basketball players.
I get the argument for donating to the NIL, it's been detailed. Some people can justify it in their minds as the only way forward. But in reality it's going to be really tough to convince a lot of every-day people to fund it, especially the casual fan, of which URI has many. It's a catch-22.
wait...he's not the gm?
never understood this idea... like would anyone actually do this? If you're at a place where you're making enough to consider that, chances are buying players will be expensive, even to you. I can't see a Mrs. HC buying into that either...
That would be illegal for him to do that.rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 months ago There is going to be a disparity between the bigger earners and the bench guys.
Could cause jealousy issues within the team.
But that's going to affect every team.
Just another problem to deal with.
Yeah Archie could take one of his 500k extension bonuses and help pay for more talent.
That's up to him though.
I wouldn't worry about that too much honestly. Dealing with egos has always been a part of coaching. Whether it be about playing time or other "perks" or special treatment that some players might get over others (real or even just perceived). I think most coaches are used to dealing with that kind of stuff.rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 months ago There is going to be a disparity between the bigger earners and the bench guys.
Could cause jealousy issues within the team.
But that's going to affect every team.
Just another problem to deal with.
Yeah Archie could take one of his 500k extension bonuses and help pay for more talent.
That's up to him though.
Hmmm…you make $2 mil as a HC, you probably get fired with another bad season and are back to low level HC or assistant jobs. Wife would be cool with $150k to the collective to get the guy to save that job.NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑5 months agonever understood this idea... like would anyone actually do this? If you're at a place where you're making enough to consider that, chances are buying players will be expensive, even to you. I can't see a Mrs. HC buying into that either...
Not surprising, they are paying the salaries of the players so basically they own the team…literally. What a mess. Did anyone see Christian Laettners take on NIL and the portal? To summarize: he thinks they are both ruining everything.
y'mean, they don't want to just hear that their contributions are going to both the men's and women's teams and that who gets what is nunya? Imagine that?
Honest question, are you actually being serious when you ask questions like this? Or just trying to get a rise out of people? I genuinely can't tell sometimes.theblueram wrote: ↑5 months ago What's the return on NIL dollars? Like if I contribute, I am now paying players salaries. So what is the return if the team makes money? This isn't charitable contributions. This is salary.
Actually Adam, on this one, I'm being serious. There is no tax deduction for NIL contributions. Schools are asking fans to pay for athletes, yet the schools get all the money from tickets, media, NCAA credits etc.adam914 wrote: ↑5 months agoHonest question, are you actually being serious when you ask questions like this? Or just trying to get a rise out of people? I genuinely can't tell sometimes.theblueram wrote: ↑5 months ago What's the return on NIL dollars? Like if I contribute, I am now paying players salaries. So what is the return if the team makes money? This isn't charitable contributions. This is salary.
I'd say email Stone then and ask him.theblueram wrote: ↑5 months agoActually Adam, on this one, I'm being serious. There is no tax deduction for NIL contributions. Schools are asking fans to pay for athletes, yet the schools get all the money from tickets, media, NCAA credits etc.adam914 wrote: ↑5 months agoHonest question, are you actually being serious when you ask questions like this? Or just trying to get a rise out of people? I genuinely can't tell sometimes.theblueram wrote: ↑5 months ago What's the return on NIL dollars? Like if I contribute, I am now paying players salaries. So what is the return if the team makes money? This isn't charitable contributions. This is salary.
I'm sure he reads this board. He can come on here and clarify himself questions fans have about NIL.adam914 wrote: ↑5 months agoI'd say email Stone then and ask him.theblueram wrote: ↑5 months agoActually Adam, on this one, I'm being serious. There is no tax deduction for NIL contributions. Schools are asking fans to pay for athletes, yet the schools get all the money from tickets, media, NCAA credits etc.