Games of Interest - 2023-2024 MBB

[Rhody15]

PC drops a home game to Seton Hall, little cherry on top for the night.

Hopkins done for year with torn ACL.

[ElmCityRhody]

that horrible for the kid

[rambone 78]

Nut crusher for PC. The way they were playing I could see them a top 6 NCAA seed...not now.

10-11 seed more likely. Tough conference.

[NYGFan_Section208]

sucks for Hopkins, hopefully a thorough and speedy recovery

[theblueram]

Nut crusher for PC. The way they were playing I could see them a top 6 NCAA seed...not now.

10-11 seed more likely. Tough conference.

They have a NET of 62. I don't think at this time they are at large material.

[reef]

Yeah huge loss will guess they are bubble @ best with more likely NIT

[bigappleram]

Like when we lost EC it’s going to force some of their young guys to step up and develop faster… long term that’s prob good for them.

But also like when we lost EC I think they will struggle mightily on offensive end. I don’t see them being an ncaa team without Hopkins.

[ramster]

Three very interesting early matchups listed first:

• Dayton (-4.5) (10-2) NET 25 @ Davidson (10-3) NET 103 CBSSN 7pm

Dayton won by 13 and beat PS by 8.5

• Duquesne (9-3) NET 80 @ UMASS (-1.5) (9-3) NET 92 ESPN+ 7pm

UMASS won by 19 and beat PS by 17.5

• St Bonaventure (9-3) NET 65 @ VCU (-5.5) (8-5) NET 87 CBSSN 9pm

SBU in upset won by 11 and beat PS by 16.5



Plus:

• George Mason (-3.5) (11-2) NET 76 @ LaSalle (9-4) NET 206 ESPN+ 6:30pm

GMU won by 15 and beat PS by 11.5

• Fordham (6-7) NET 223 @ George Washington (-3.5) (11-2) NET 141 ESPN+ 7pm

Fordham in upset won by 6 in Triple OT and beat PS by 9.5

• St Joseph’s (-5.5) (10-3) NET 54 @ URI (6-7) NET 235 ESPN+ 7pm

URI in upset won by 4 and beat PS by 9.5

• Loyola (8-5) NET 158 @ St Louis (-2.5) (7-6) NET 221 ESPN+ 7pm

Loyola in upset won by 7 and beat PS by 9.5


Some interesting individual performances besides The URI-SJU Game:

George Mason - Keyshawn Hall 6'7" Sophomore Transfer from UNLV played 40 min, 10-17 FG, 27P, 13R
Dayton - Nate Santos 6'7" Junior Transfer from Pittsburgh played team high 34 min, 6-11 FG, 3-5 3P for 16P, 7R
George Washington - Darren Buchanan 6'7" Freshman played 51 min, 15-30 FG, 7-8 FT for 38P, 6R, 4 steals, 5 TOs
George Washington - Garrett Johnson 6'8" Freshman, Maximus Edwards 6'5" Soph and James Bishop IV all played 51 minutes as well in the 3OT loss to Fordham
Fordham - Antrell Charlton 6'5" Senior played 49 min, 7-16 FG, 2-4 3P, 8-10 FT for 22 P, 6R, 3 Assists, 3 Steals, 2 Blocks, 2 TO
St Bonaventure - Chad Venning 6'11" Junior 33 min, 8-14 FG, 3-5 FT for game high 19P, 11R, 2 assists, 1 block, 2 TO

[ramster]

Saturday A10 Games:

• LaSalle (9-5) @ Fordham (-5.5) (7-7) USA Net 12pm

• St Louis (7-7) @ George Mason (-9.5) USA Net 2pm

• Duquesne (-1.5) (9-4) @ Loyola (9-5) CBSSN 4pm

• St Bonaventure (-1.5) (10-3) @ Richmond (8-5) ESPN+ 4pm

• George Washington (11-3) @ VCU (-10.5) (8-6) USA Net 4pm

Sunday A10 Game:
UMASS (10-3) @ Dayton (11-2) ESPN2 1pm





Also of interest today among 100+ games or so

#23 PC @ Creighton 2pm FS1 - Creighton -11.5
#8 North Carolina @ #16 Clemson ESPN2 12pm - Clemson -3.5
DePaul @ Georgetown 12pm FS1 - Georgetown -6.5, Cooley in action
St Johns @ Villanova 1pm FOX - Villanova -4.5
Cincinnati (11-2) @ #12 Ranked Brigham Young (12-1) 10pm ESPN2 - BYU -9.5

[rjsuperfly66]

Nut crusher for PC. The way they were playing I could see them a top 6 NCAA seed...not now.

10-11 seed more likely. Tough conference.

They have a NET of 62. I don't think at this time they are at large material.

Still an 8 seed on the matrix.
I would be shocked if we make the tournament though.

[Rhody15]

Nut crusher for PC. The way they were playing I could see them a top 6 NCAA seed...not now.

10-11 seed more likely. Tough conference.

They have a NET of 62. I don't think at this time they are at large material.

Still an 8 seed on the matrix.
I would be shocked if we make the tournament though.

What’s up with Dual?

Kid was talked about as a one and done lottery pick and seems to be having a pretty brutal season thus far.

[ramster]

Leggett out today due to injury

[NYGFan_Section208]

Leggett out today due to injury

Thanks, I was looking for him!

[rjsuperfly66]

They have a NET of 62. I don't think at this time they are at large material.

Still an 8 seed on the matrix.
I would be shocked if we make the tournament though.

What’s up with Dual?

Kid was talked about as a one and done lottery pick and seems to be having a pretty brutal season thus far.

One and done talk was all based on unrealized potential. He has the tools - great length, good intensity, plays tough defense, has good vision, but the one thing he hasn't showcased is a willingness or ability to score. He seems to only want to shoot when absolutely forced.

[adam914]

Still an 8 seed on the matrix.
I would be shocked if we make the tournament though.

What’s up with Dual?

Kid was talked about as a one and done lottery pick and seems to be having a pretty brutal season thus far.

One and done talk was all based on unrealized potential. He has the tools - great length, good intensity, plays tough defense, has good vision, but the one thing he hasn't showcased is a willingness or ability to score. He seems to only want to shoot when absolutely forced.

He has also showcased a pretty good right hook!

[RhodyKyle]

[NYGFan_Section208]

Good times!

[adam914]

They should just play with it like that, would be kinda fun!

[RhowdyRam02]

They should just play with it like that, would be kinda fun!

First time you'd ever be able to describe a La Salle at Fordham game as fun

[ram1980]

Derrick Kellogg sighting on Creighton bench. Reminded me of all Rhody Jay's much missed signs and Kellogg losing his mind. Game wise Creighton is an extremely unathletic team.

[ramster]

Derrick Kellogg sighting on Creighton bench. Reminded me of all Rhody Jay's much missed signs and Kellogg losing his mind. Game wise Creighton is an extremely unathletic team.

I loved it. Seeing Kellogg jumping up and down and going quite nutty on the bench. Got to love his enthusiasm.
I thought the same thing seeing Kellogg’s slicked back hair, I also thought of Jay’s signs.

I also thought if there was ever a guy who should be Assistant At PC it’s Kellogg. Looks exactly like he should be from the city of Providence. That look does not belong in Omaha Nebraska.

[reef]

Smart move for all these guys who flame out as head coaches take a P6 assistant job I’m sure he gets paid well

[ramster]

Derrick Kellogg sighting on Creighton bench. Reminded me of all Rhody Jay's much missed signs and Kellogg losing his mind. Game wise Creighton is an extremely unathletic team.

1980,

I thought it was a tough break for TCU when they got the rebound, up by 2 points, Dickerson went down, and Refs stopped the game. Announcers were saying the game should not have been stopped and play should have continued since TCU had the 5-4 advantage.

Then they go to the monitor and call a flagrant foul.

Almost like since the Refs mistakenly stopped play they wanted to justify the stoppage by calling a flagrant.

So 2 FTs by Dickinson to tie it PLUS Kansas ball which they score and win by 2.

It was an elbow but I don’t think intentional. Not sure I like calling a foul after a replay that was not called during the action - only because Dickinson hit the floor.

What did you think of that one?

[adam914]

They should just play with it like that, would be kinda fun!

First time you'd ever be able to describe a La Salle at Fordham game as fun

Exactly, ya gotta think outside the box to hype these games up!

[NYGFan_Section208]

Derrick Kellogg sighting on Creighton bench. Reminded me of all Rhody Jay's much missed signs and Kellogg losing his mind. Game wise Creighton is an extremely unathletic team.

1980,

I thought it was a tough break for TCU when they got the rebound, up by 2 points, Dickerson went down, and Refs stopped the game. Announcers were saying the game should not have been stopped and play should have continued since TCU had the 5-4 advantage.

Then they go to the monitor and call a flagrant foul.

Almost like since the Refs mistakenly stopped play they wanted to justify the stoppage by calling a flagrant.

So 2 FTs by Dickinson to tie it PLUS Kansas ball which they score and win by 2.

It was an elbow but I don’t think intentional. Not sure I like calling a foul after a replay that was not called during the action - only because Dickinson hit the floor.

What did you think of that one?

Major major swing/ball game essentially. I think they should have let TCU score first. If not, kudos to Dickinson for "soccering" it out there...

[PeterRamTime]

Derrick Kellogg sighting on Creighton bench. Reminded me of all Rhody Jay's much missed signs and Kellogg losing his mind. Game wise Creighton is an extremely unathletic team.

1980,

I thought it was a tough break for TCU when they got the rebound, up by 2 points, Dickerson went down, and Refs stopped the game. Announcers were saying the game should not have been stopped and play should have continued since TCU had the 5-4 advantage.

Then they go to the monitor and call a flagrant foul.

Almost like since the Refs mistakenly stopped play they wanted to justify the stoppage by calling a flagrant.

So 2 FTs by Dickinson to tie it PLUS Kansas ball which they score and win by 2.

It was an elbow but I don’t think intentional. Not sure I like calling a foul after a replay that was not called during the action - only because Dickinson hit the floor.

What did you think of that one?

That was an egregiously awful call. Disgusting blueblood home cookin'.

[theblueram]

That shot by Bishop was insane. GW wins.

[ramster]

The Revolutionaries just beat VCU at VCU 84-82
Bishop with the game winner with 1 second left

[reef]

The Revolutionaries just beat VCU at VCU 84-82
Bishop with the game winner with 1 second left

Wow I missed it I was watching Loyola defeat Duquesne

[ramster]

[PeterRamTime]

Yep, Holloway is a helluva coach.

[woodennickel1]

Nut crusher for PC. The way they were playing I could see them a top 6 NCAA seed...not now.

10-11 seed more likely. Tough conference.

They have a NET of 62. I don't think at this time they are at large material.

Right at this time they would be a lock with non conference wins over Wisconsin and a surging Georgia. Also no bad losses and win over Marquette in conference.I still think they will manage enough wins to get in. Bubble was very soft last year.

[RhodyKyle]

Nut crusher for PC. The way they were playing I could see them a top 6 NCAA seed...not now.

10-11 seed more likely. Tough conference.

They have a NET of 62. I don't think at this time they are at large material.

Right at this time they would be a lock with non conference wins over Wisconsin and a surging Georgia. Also no bad losses and win over Marquette in conference.I still think they will manage enough wins to get in. Bubble was very soft last year.

The question is how much of the success the selection committee puts on Hopkins. They absolutely weigh team results post injury higher than preinjury. The most famous time was 2001 Cincy who had the resume on selection sunday to be the #1 overall seed and it wasn't close but Kenyon Martin got hurt and the committee made them a 2 seed. Their reasoning was that the team entering the tournament wasn't the same as the team that earned the resume.

[reef]

As of now yes they are in currently ranked 23rd

We have a whole conf season to go so lots can happen , I think they will be on the bubble is my guess

[Jks1985]

They still looked decent at Creighton. I think they'll make the tourney

[Jersey77]

They still looked decent at Creighton. I think they'll make the tourney

Still lots of games left, so who knows.
Besides do we really care that much about what happens to PC.

Right now, they are behind UConn, Marquette, St. John’s, Villanova, Creighton, and Seton Hall.

Injuries certainly played a major role in Xavier and now PC's chances.

[ramster]

[PeterRamTime]

Juwan probably just didn't feel like dealing with it today lol

[ramster]

Michigan State was fav by 3.5 yesterday at Northwestern - lost by 14.

[rjsuperfly66]

They have a NET of 62. I don't think at this time they are at large material.

Right at this time they would be a lock with non conference wins over Wisconsin and a surging Georgia. Also no bad losses and win over Marquette in conference.I still think they will manage enough wins to get in. Bubble was very soft last year.

The question is how much of the success the selection committee puts on Hopkins. They absolutely weigh team results post injury higher than preinjury. The most famous time was 2001 Cincy who had the resume on selection sunday to be the #1 overall seed and it wasn't close but Kenyon Martin got hurt and the committee made them a 2 seed. Their reasoning was that the team entering the tournament wasn't the same as the team that earned the resume.

If Hopkins was injured at the end of the season, I agree it could be a potential concern, but there are 16 BE games left + BET. If PC is going to be a tournament team, it was always going to be determined by their production in conference play, which now means proving they can win without Hopkins. PC isn't a tournament team without winning at least 9 more games and beating some good/great teams. Whether or not they can do that is a different question, but I don't expect much of a no-Hopkins bias.

[RhodyKyle]

Right at this time they would be a lock with non conference wins over Wisconsin and a surging Georgia. Also no bad losses and win over Marquette in conference.I still think they will manage enough wins to get in. Bubble was very soft last year.

The question is how much of the success the selection committee puts on Hopkins. They absolutely weigh team results post injury higher than preinjury. The most famous time was 2001 Cincy who had the resume on selection sunday to be the #1 overall seed and it wasn't close but Kenyon Martin got hurt and the committee made them a 2 seed. Their reasoning was that the team entering the tournament wasn't the same as the team that earned the resume.

If Hopkins was injured at the end of the season, I agree it could be a potential concern, but there are 16 BE games left + BET. If PC is going to be a tournament team, it was always going to be determined by their production in conference play, which now means proving they can win without Hopkins. PC isn't a tournament team without winning at least 9 more games and beating some good/great teams. Whether or not they can do that is a different question, but I don't expect much of a no-Hopkins bias.

I think we're agreeing here. What you said is what I meant when I said the committee weighs post-injury results more. What happens now will be considered more heavily than the Marquette and Wisconsin wins. PC has to right the ship now and start winning to be a tournament team.

[bigappleram]

PC is going to go through similar to what we went through when EC went down.
Natural transition period with a high usage, alpha offensive star going down. Other guys will have to fill void and develop faster (Dual, Pierre, Castro, Floyd) but offensively they are gonna be a slog on many nights and will have to gut out wins (win ugly). Someone like Carter can will them to win on some nights and they will need that. We had to rely on young guys like Terrell, Garrett and Hassan to fill the void which was a tall task.

In that league it's a daunting ask and if they do make the tourney then IMO Kim English coached his tail off.

That Georgetown game got more interesting that's for sure - with Hopkins they steamroll them, without him it's probably a tighter game.

[rjsuperfly66]

The question is how much of the success the selection committee puts on Hopkins. They absolutely weigh team results post injury higher than preinjury. The most famous time was 2001 Cincy who had the resume on selection sunday to be the #1 overall seed and it wasn't close but Kenyon Martin got hurt and the committee made them a 2 seed. Their reasoning was that the team entering the tournament wasn't the same as the team that earned the resume.

If Hopkins was injured at the end of the season, I agree it could be a potential concern, but there are 16 BE games left + BET. If PC is going to be a tournament team, it was always going to be determined by their production in conference play, which now means proving they can win without Hopkins. PC isn't a tournament team without winning at least 9 more games and beating some good/great teams. Whether or not they can do that is a different question, but I don't expect much of a no-Hopkins bias.

I think we're agreeing here. What you said is what I meant when I said the committee weighs post-injury results more. What happens now will be considered more heavily than the Marquette and Wisconsin wins. PC has to right the ship now and start winning to be a tournament team.

I think I'm agreeing and kind of disagreeing with you lol

If PC is a tournament team, I don't think those two wins will be minimized much because PC would have had to prove they were a tournament team by producing without Hopkins.

It's different than a team being 75-80% or more through their schedule and only having a few games left.

[PeterRamTime]

https://bballnet.com/teams/providence

So long as PC doesn't collapse they'll probably get in.

Subject to change obviously, but they have

Ten Q1 games, three Q2 games, one Q3 game and just three Q4 games.

Take care of DePaul and G-town and split the rest and they're in easily.

[ramster]

Tuesday A10 Games

• URI (7-7) @ Davidson (-5.5) (10-4) ESPN+ 7pm

• VCU (8-7) @ George Mason (13-2) (-3.5) ESPN+ 7pm

• Richmond (9-5) @ Loyola (10-5) (-2.5) ESPN+ 8pm

URI is 1-0 A10. 7-2 at home, 0-2 in away games. won 2 straight.

Davidson is 0-1 A10. 7-1 at home, 1-2 road. Only loss at home was last game to Dayton by 13. Difference in the game were 12 Dayton steals to only 4 steals by Davidson. Dayton out rebounded Davidson 36-29.
Davidson hi scorer was Freshman 6'7" Forward Bobby Durkin with 14P. Durkin is 37% 3P and 88% FT on season. His 34 minutes were tied for game high while coming off the bench. Durkin has not started a game yet but is 3rd on team in minutes per game, 4th in pig and rpg.



George Mason is off to a quick 2-0 start in A10. GMU is 9-0 at home and has won 6 straight games.

VCU off to a 0-2 start in A10. This will be VCU's FIRST away game of the year - the only A10 team with no true away games as yet. VCU is 7-5 at home and went 1-2 in Neutral Court Orlando at ESPN Events International Tournament



Richmond has won 4 straight. Richmond is 1-0 A10, 8-0 at home and 0-3 on the road.
Jordan King, 6' G Grad Transfer from ETSU leads Richmond in Scoring 17.8 ppg on 37.3% 3P and 85.7% FT shooting

Loyola off to a quick 2-0 A10, 8-1 home, 1-2 road and won 4 straight.



In Other Games.......

• #17 Ranked Colorado State Mountain West (-1.5) (13-2) @ Boise State (10-4) Mountain West Network 9pm should be a good one

[ramster]

Tuesday A10 Games

• URI (7-7) @ Davidson (-5.5) (10-4) ESPN+ 7pm

• VCU (8-7) @ George Mason (13-2) (-3.5) ESPN+ 7pm

• Richmond (9-5) @ Loyola (10-5) (-2.5) ESPN+ 8pm

All 3 A10 Home Teams were favored and all 3 lost their games and the point spreads tonight

URI 79-74 over Davidson

VCU 54-50 over George Mason GMU went 0-15 3FG on their home floor.

Richmond over 58-56 over Loyola

In Other Games.......

• #17 Ranked Colorado State Mountain West (-1.5) (13-2) @ Boise State (10-4) Mountain West Network 9pm should be a good one

Boise State upset Colorado State 65-58

Top 2 teams lost tonight on the road

#1 ranked Purdue lost 88-72 @ Nebraska
#2 ranked Houston lost 57-53 @ Iowa State

[reef]

URI now 1 of 3 undefeated conf teams with Dayton and Richmond

[ramster]

Wednesday Night:

• LaSalle (10-5) @ UMASS (10-4) (-9.5) 7pm

• St Joseph's (10-4) (-4.5) @ St Louis (7-8) 7pm CBSSN

• PC (11-4) @ St John's (11-4) (-7.5) 6:30pm FS1

[Section104]

NET at conclusion of OOC Games:

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A healthy, active, Green all year could have probably helped our NET 50-75 spots. We’re a landmine waiting to erupt for any teams with postseason dreams.

We've already moved up 50 spots...the impact could be closer to 100 spots.

An absolute nightmare for A10 teams with postseason aspirations.

[ramster]

My favorite team is the URI Rams!

My 2nd favorite team is whoever is playing the Friars!!!

TRUST PITINO!!!!

PC (11-4) @ St John's (11-4) (-7.5) 6:30pm FS1