4Diffs wrote: ↑5 months ago
ramster wrote: ↑5 months ago
I've never been a fan. Ever.
This system was brought up last March on Friday (the off day media day) prior to the Semi-Finals by Travis Ford when it was his turn to speak. He talked about it hurts the Mid-Majors.
Since inception the NET has underrated the Top A10 Teams as compared to the long term previous Ranking System.
It hurts the Top WBB A10 Teams as well since it replaced the Previous Ranking System a couple years ago (years after MBB)
So it has had a negative impact on A10 At-Large possibilities.
Is that right? I don't know, not up to me, but it's definitely different
A big negative about the NET is the formula is secret and it is secretly tweaked as well. Wolf meet Hen House. The previous system was not complicated but was known publicly.
If you think the NET is better and more fair then so be it. Consider then that the A10 benefitted prior to NET and was able to get more At-Large bids over the years because of it. May be a combo of both and the right answer is somewhere in the middle.
Look at the former system and look at the Top 2 A10 right now. Sure Fire At-Large possibilities. And then compare in 2-3 Weeks when 1st NET is issued.
Ken Pom and I believe Sagarin too use a high percentage of prior year results in base for this year. Maybe starts at 50%?
Then that gradually reduces with more games played.
This system is not so good today when teams completely overhaul rosters with 5, 4 or 3 new starters transferred in (and out). Teams can change a lot good and bad with roster turnover. So Ken Pom and Sagarin can more soften the blows when they shouldn't be.
It is what it is. Dan Gavitt has the key in his pocket.
Also add that NET does not show SOS Strength of Schedule either as other Ranking Systems do. It's pretty much behind the curtain with the formula not public.
I have said this before (well before Travis Ford) but the NET sucks. VCU would have been a surefire lock last year under any other method but the NET. Even with the NET they should have been as they had a better NET ranking than PC last year when the selections were made. Yet one was comfortably in and the other was not even mentioned (yes they won the Auto but without that no chance of getting in). Now why would that be? Because the system is extremely flawed and it is done so in an obvious way to benefit the P5 schools and hurt anyone else that does not have the ability to play multiple Q1 games. And if you lose a Q3 or Q4 game it makes it really tough.
They made up a rating system then use that system not to select the schools with the best NET rating, but to use it to eliminate any school that does not play the proper amount of Q1 games, or stubs their toe one time and loses on the road in a Q3 or Q4 game. It is a joke and I am disappointed that there is not more analysis or outcry about it. It is blatantly unfair but no one seems to care, or even point out how unfair it is for smaller schools. I really think the NCAA was concerned about the P5 breaking away so they basically changed the rules to benefit them. Yes if you have a Gonzaga or San Diego State in your conference, you may be OK because all of those games become Q1 games. But those are final four quality teams and believe that is unusual to have in the smaller conferences (first time ever for San Diego State to reach the final four and Gonzaga is the anomaly of all anomalies). Does not mean that these other conferences do not have At large worthy teams, many do but good luck getting an at large berth outside of P6 for these schools.
Agree 100% with Jersey77. And Ramster for somebody who does not like the NET ranking system you certainly bring it up a lot in your criticism of the A10 and in other posts. Kind of surprised to hear your opinion on the NET, I expected the opposite.
4Diffs,
RI Red has it right and has it right for a long, long time. It's all about the Cartel. That's where I've been all along
Things working against Mid Majors just in recent 5 years:
1. Put Dan Gavitt in charge
2. Replace RPI with NET and QUAD 1,2,3,4 System
3. Replace RPI and QUAD System for WBB too 2 years ago
4. Expand Conference Games up to 18, 20 and even up to 22
5. Reduce OOC games with Mid Majors from more conference games but ALSO playing more NAIA, D2 and D3 teams at home
6. Reduce P6 games played at Mid Major home courts to almost non existent
7. Conduct MTE's with P5 hosting all games (See Duke, Kentucky, Nebraska to name a few this year (Duquesne, LaSalle and Jt Joseph's participated)
8. Reduce participation of Mid-Majors in high profile Tournaments
9. Reduce NIT for WBB from 64 to 32 Teams announced this year. WBB Mid And Low Majors liked the 64 teams
10. Make 12 P6 (2 per conference) Teams automatically eligible for NIT Bids if they don't get At-Large. AND give them Home Court even if their NET doesn't warrant Home Court. Take away Mid Major who wins Conference to auto get bid to NIT. Now goes to the 12 P6 teams
11. NIL where money is paid to players - Pay to Play. P6 schools pooling money to be given to players
12. schools can now add to rosters via NIL. Texas Tech has 40 players above the Scholarship limit by playing them $25k per year or more. Transfers happening in Basketball, Football and Baseball.
13. Let players transfer with no penalty once, more than once with Waiver
14. Ability to recruit players from low, mid majors (and high) without fear of tampering. Offer cars leased, money, etc. all fair.
15. Teams losing players they expect to have on roster as late as August, September
16. New players transferring as starters taking expected starting role away from somebody else "at last minute"
Helping Mid, Low majors is that most every game now on media. Great to be able to watch every game generating interest. At the same time people stay home more to watch on tv. Love actual attendance and at game enthusiasm.
I believe MBB will land with FBS and FCS just as Football today. FBS runs their own Football Postseason Bowl Program and FBS runs the Playoff System that had 4 teams then 8 and will go to 12. NCAA not involved.
P5 will take over Basketball too. Power play is happening behind the scenes.
Not sure how long it will take but my money is on a two tiered system.
