House had a tough time adjusting to the size of the last 2 opponents when attacking the basket. Not once did I see him dog it.
I'm not saying house dogged it. But 2 offensive rebounds in 5 games? And with all the drives he makes inside where he could rebound his own misses? He has had a good number of shots blocked driving in amongst the trees. Playing 2 P5 teams vs playing 3 teams 300+ NET showed differently. A 6'4" guard driving the lane should get more offensive rebounds than 2.
But I'm confident that Miller will address Fuchs' opportunities for improvement as well as House's and all others. There are lots of opportunities.
I'm pretty sure a 6'3" shooting guard's responsibility isn't get offensive rebounds against 6'10" and 7'0" guys. Our bigs should be crashing the boards. Guards main job after shots is getting back on defense.
So why does Miller let Fuchs play so many minutes with your observed lack of effort and attitude problems and turnovers? Why continue to start him? Why do you think that is?
House had a tough time adjusting to the size of the last 2 opponents when attacking the basket. Not once did I see him dog it.
I'm not saying house dogged it. But 2 offensive rebounds in 5 games? And with all the drives he makes inside where he could rebound his own misses? He has had a good number of shots blocked driving in amongst the trees. Playing 2 P5 teams vs playing 3 teams 300+ NET showed differently. A 6'4" guard driving the lane should get more offensive rebounds than 2.
But I'm confident that Miller will address Fuchs' opportunities for improvement as well as House's and all others. There are lots of opportunities.
I'm pretty sure a 6'3" shooting guard's responsibility isn't get offensive rebounds against 6'10" and 7'0" guys. Our bigs should be crashing the boards. Guards main job after shots is getting back on defense.
I'd disagree. Most teams today play 3 guards and some play 4 guards. Jared Terrell, EC Mathews, Stanford Robinson, Jeff Dowtin and contributed substantially to rebounding the basketball. In fact I recall Hurley on numerous occasions say our guards have to rebound better. We played 4 guards under Hurley and also under Miller at times.
Last year vs LaSalle in the A10 Tournament our starting line up was:
Leggett
Martin
Carey
Thomas
Stewart
Guards had to rebound in that lineup.
Because the bigs like Samb and Trichou got beat out of starting spots
steveystuds06 wrote: ↑5 months ago
No one is saying Fuchs didn't put in any effort. He was battling for boards. But the bottom line is one player gave up on multiple possessions and didn't get back on defense. That was Fuchs. That is unacceptable at this level. I wouldn't see the floor again if I did that on my high school team,, let alone a D1 program like URI. Fuchs could have had 15 boards. That doesn't change the fact that you NEVER give up like that.
Why did Bray get called out last year? Because he was running his mouth on the sidelines. If a player has a bad attitude, it will stand out to fans, and that's exactly what happened with Fuchs. He deserves all the criticism he's getting, and I hope he learns from it and we see a different player on Sunday. He has plenty of time to redeem himself. We all make mistakes and no one is perfect.
I get it. Trust me. It's been said here 500 times.
That's my point. Little criticism of anyone else in that game.
And why then didn't Miller bench him? If everyone here thinks it's this incredibly bad in both games with effort, turnovers, etc then put him in the bench as you all say. Why isn't that happening? Or do you expect the benching next game?
Put in Foumena. There is a guy giving the effort on offense and defense.
Everyone in my section was wondering the same thing. That's part of the reason I felt Archie had a bad game on Sunday. I don't mind the turnovers, I don't mind missed shots. I don't mind most of the freshman mistakes. But why he didn't get pulled after those possessions where he gave up made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe Archie missed it, but I don't know how you could. It was obvious.
I'm not saying house dogged it. But 2 offensive rebounds in 5 games? And with all the drives he makes inside where he could rebound his own misses? He has had a good number of shots blocked driving in amongst the trees. Playing 2 P5 teams vs playing 3 teams 300+ NET showed differently. A 6'4" guard driving the lane should get more offensive rebounds than 2.
But I'm confident that Miller will address Fuchs' opportunities for improvement as well as House's and all others. There are lots of opportunities.
I'm pretty sure a 6'3" shooting guard's responsibility isn't get offensive rebounds against 6'10" and 7'0" guys. Our bigs should be crashing the boards. Guards main job after shots is getting back on defense.
So why does Miller let Fuchs play so many minutes with your observed lack of effort and attitude problems and turnovers? Why continue to start him? Why do you think that is?
Fuchs’ lack of effort mainly came in the Wash St game. I didn’t notice as much against Northwestern.
There have been no possible games for Archie to “continue to start him” after the lack of effort seeing how it was against Wash St.
MULTIPLE times where he turned it over/missed a shot and absolutely refused to get back in D.
Was barely moving down the court and allowed easy transition points for Wash St.
And please spare us with an undersized two guard’s offensive rebound production in 5 games.
House hasn’t dogged it once this season.
I don’t really need my best scorer crashing the offensive glass time after time.
steveystuds06 wrote: ↑5 months ago
No one is saying Fuchs didn't put in any effort. He was battling for boards. But the bottom line is one player gave up on multiple possessions and didn't get back on defense. That was Fuchs. That is unacceptable at this level. I wouldn't see the floor again if I did that on my high school team,, let alone a D1 program like URI. Fuchs could have had 15 boards. That doesn't change the fact that you NEVER give up like that.
Why did Bray get called out last year? Because he was running his mouth on the sidelines. If a player has a bad attitude, it will stand out to fans, and that's exactly what happened with Fuchs. He deserves all the criticism he's getting, and I hope he learns from it and we see a different player on Sunday. He has plenty of time to redeem himself. We all make mistakes and no one is perfect.
I get it. Trust me. It's been said here 500 times.
That's my point. Little criticism of anyone else in that game.
And why then didn't Miller bench him? If everyone here thinks it's this incredibly bad in both games with effort, turnovers, etc then put him in the bench as you all say. Why isn't that happening? Or do you expect the benching next game?
Put in Foumena. There is a guy giving the effort on offense and defense.
Everyone in my section was wondering the same thing. That's part of the reason I felt Archie had a bad game on Sunday. I don't mind the turnovers, I don't mind missed shots. I don't mind most of the freshman mistakes. But why he didn't get pulled after those possessions where he gave up made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe Archie missed it, but I don't know how you could. It was obvious.
Maybe didn't want to hurt his confidence? Maybe Miller sees nobody getting offensive rebounds except Fuchs? Who knows. But if there is this much criticism of Fuchs then the man at the top controlling who starts and who get minutes and whose in at the end of the game basically owns it.
Ya Guards and bigs should be battling for boards... I agree with that. Once again that's not the issue for myself and others. He was the ONLY player that gave up during a few possessions. I rarely see that happen while watching a lot of college basketball games so that really stood out to me.... I see guys jog back on D when they should be sprinting, but Fuchs was walking at one point. I couldn't believe what I was seeing..But im done talking about it. It was only one game and it's not that big of a deal... Hopefully, Fuchs doesn't do that again.
steveystuds06 wrote: ↑5 months ago
Ya Guards and bigs should be battling for boards... I agree with that. Once again that's not the issue for myself and others. He was the ONLY player that gave up during a few possessions. I rarely see that happen while watching a lot of college basketball games so that really stood out to me.... I see guys jog back on D when they should be sprinting, but Fuchs was walking at one point. I couldn't believe what I was seeing..But im done talking about it. It was only one game and it's not that big of a deal... Hopefully, Fuchs doesn't do that again.
Totally agree Stevie , that’s what bothered me as well
Fuchs was really good the first 3 games then struggled mightily the last 2 in the bump up in competition and looks like he lost some confidence
PeterRamTime wrote: ↑5 months ago
I'm not sure about the narrative that Fuchs wasn't trying
Seemed more like
He was deer in the headlights/gassed to me.
That's a weird narrative. To me, he looked completely lost and distracted. I wish we would stop overanalyzing these 2 games. We're 5 into the season and 3-2. Completely new team, still figuring things out.
PeterRamTime wrote: ↑5 months ago
I'm not sure about the narrative that Fuchs wasn't trying
Seemed more like
He was deer in the headlights/gassed to me.
That's a weird narrative. To me, he looked completely lost and distracted. I wish we would stop overanalyzing these 2 games. We're 5 into the season and 3-2. Completely new team, still figuring things out.
I think it's based off of him being late getting back on defense once in the first half.
I'm not saying house dogged it. But 2 offensive rebounds in 5 games? And with all the drives he makes inside where he could rebound his own misses? He has had a good number of shots blocked driving in amongst the trees. Playing 2 P5 teams vs playing 3 teams 300+ NET showed differently. A 6'4" guard driving the lane should get more offensive rebounds than 2.
But I'm confident that Miller will address Fuchs' opportunities for improvement as well as House's and all others. There are lots of opportunities.
I'm pretty sure a 6'3" shooting guard's responsibility isn't get offensive rebounds against 6'10" and 7'0" guys. Our bigs should be crashing the boards. Guards main job after shots is getting back on defense.
Somebody forgot to tell Leggett that.
Jaden House was the leading rebounder against Northwestern
reef wrote: ↑5 months ago
My guess is Arch and the staff watched the film and probably saw the same things we did with regards to Fuchs and I would hope he got a stern talking too about that’s not how we do things here with regards to hustle
Arch seems like the kind of coach who will play the guys who deserve to play so with JB back it may scale Fuchs playing time down
Fuchs is just a Freshman. Fuch's rebounds per 40 minutes (5 games) is higher than Foumena and Brown
Fuch's and Foumena rebounds per 40 minutes are both higher than Bilau last season
Imagine the potential of Fuch's if a Miller stern talking to works?
This season thru 5 games
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Last season
In blue are top guards rebounding.
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Yeah, he got a few rebounds but did everything else poorly over the weekend. Zero points, nine turnovers, bad defense and lack of hustle. I don't care how many rebounds he got, if he doesn't start playing harder, he should sit.
Not addressing this specifically to you, just more as a jumping off point to several comments about Fuchs.
All I've ever heard is rebounding is all about effort and desire, i.e. hustle. I find it hard to square this maxim about rebounding that people here use all the time and this idea that Fuchs wasn't hustling at Mohegan. Seems you have to pick one or the other?
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I'm not saying house dogged it. But 2 offensive rebounds in 5 games? And with all the drives he makes inside where he could rebound his own misses? He has had a good number of shots blocked driving in amongst the trees. Playing 2 P5 teams vs playing 3 teams 300+ NET showed differently. A 6'4" guard driving the lane should get more offensive rebounds than 2.
But I'm confident that Miller will address Fuchs' opportunities for improvement as well as House's and all others. There are lots of opportunities.
I'm pretty sure a 6'3" shooting guard's responsibility isn't get offensive rebounds against 6'10" and 7'0" guys. Our bigs should be crashing the boards. Guards main job after shots is getting back on defense.
Somebody forgot to tell Leggett that.
Somebody forgot to tell Archie that. He specifically has called out the guards not participating enough with our rebounding
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I'm pretty sure a 6'3" shooting guard's responsibility isn't get offensive rebounds against 6'10" and 7'0" guys. Our bigs should be crashing the boards. Guards main job after shots is getting back on defense.
Somebody forgot to tell Leggett that.
Somebody forgot to tell Archie that. He specifically has called out the guards not participating enough with our rebounding
That's more about defensive rebounding. Because our bigs aren't doing a great job there, the guards need to do their share.
Somebody forgot to tell Archie that. He specifically has called out the guards not participating enough with our rebounding
That's more about defensive rebounding. Because our bigs aren't doing a great job there, the guards need to do their share.
Ish so far is the leading rebounder at Pitt averaging 8 rebs/game.
Last season he was our 2nd leading rebounder averaging 5.8.
Ramster is specifically talking about offensive rebounds with our guards whereas Archie has specifically talked about our guards in regards to defensive rebounding.
Billyboy78 wrote: ↑5 months ago
That's more about defensive rebounding. Because our bigs aren't doing a great job there, the guards need to do their share.
Ish so far is the leading rebounder at Pitt averaging 8 rebs/game.
Last season he was our 2nd leading rebounder averaging 5.8.
Ramster is specifically talking about offensive rebounds with our guards whereas Archie has specifically talked about our guards in regards to defensive rebounding.
Here is Leggett Offensive Rebounding last year and this year he is the leading rebounder at Pitt.
Last year Martin led in offensive rebounds followed by Leggett in 2nd with 50 on the season.
Coaches tell players to follow up there shot to get the possible miss
PeterRamTime wrote: ↑5 months ago
I'm not sure about the narrative that Fuchs wasn't trying
Seemed more like
He was deer in the headlights/gassed to me.
If by “deer in headlights” you mean he refused to even jog back on defense after making a bad play, then yes you’re correct.
That never happened.
Yes it most certainly did. There was one turnover he had at the top of the arch (well he had many of these but one play I’m referring to) where he lost the ball and turned around and lightly pretend to pursue the player on the fast break
Would he have caught him if he sprinted? Hard to say. But he legitimately didn’t even bother to try
I honestly am not that concerned about the lack of chase down. He is slow. There was no chance he catches the guy. What does bother me is when he does the same thing after not getting a foul call. He complains throws his hands up and lets the team play 5 on 4 for a minute.
If by “deer in headlights” you mean he refused to even jog back on defense after making a bad play, then yes you’re correct.
That never happened.
Yes it most certainly did. There was one turnover he had at the top of the arch (well he had many of these but one play I’m referring to) where he lost the ball and turned around and lightly pretend to pursue the player on the fast break
Would he have caught him if he sprinted? Hard to say. But he legitimately didn’t even bother to try
He never just stood there and didn't bother to even jog though. That's what he's been accused of.
He just looked like he got way too in his head about his mistakes. He is also slow, but he never just stood there. He even dove for a basketball during this game.
He's been slow getting back all year though. He definitely should play harder, but I also wonder about his stamina. He's often walking up the floor when we bring the ball up on offense.
steveystuds06 wrote: ↑5 months ago
Ya Guards and bigs should be battling for boards... I agree with that. Once again that's not the issue for myself and others. He was the ONLY player that gave up during a few possessions. I rarely see that happen while watching a lot of college basketball games so that really stood out to me.... I see guys jog back on D when they should be sprinting, but Fuchs was walking at one point. I couldn't believe what I was seeing..But im done talking about it. It was only one game and it's not that big of a deal... Hopefully, Fuchs doesn't do that again.
Totally agree Stevie , that’s what bothered me as well
Fuchs was really good the first 3 games then struggled mightily the last 2 in the bump up in competition and looks like he lost some confidence
Let’s see how he does going forward
Is it possible he’s dealing with something? Homesick maybe? Having a difficult time adjusting here so Arch is cutting him some slack and being patient ?
steveystuds06 wrote: ↑5 months ago
Ya Guards and bigs should be battling for boards... I agree with that. Once again that's not the issue for myself and others. He was the ONLY player that gave up during a few possessions. I rarely see that happen while watching a lot of college basketball games so that really stood out to me.... I see guys jog back on D when they should be sprinting, but Fuchs was walking at one point. I couldn't believe what I was seeing..But im done talking about it. It was only one game and it's not that big of a deal... Hopefully, Fuchs doesn't do that again.
Totally agree Stevie , that’s what bothered me as well
Fuchs was really good the first 3 games then struggled mightily the last 2 in the bump up in competition and looks like he lost some confidence
Let’s see how he does going forward
Is it possible he’s dealing with something? Homesick maybe? Having a difficult time adjusting here so Arch is cutting him some slack and being patient ?
Just some off the top of my head speculation.
Basketball can be a very mental game. I wonder if something's going on? He was A LOT more focused in those first 3 games.
PeterRamTime wrote: ↑5 months ago
I'm not sure about the narrative that Fuchs wasn't trying
Seemed more like
He was deer in the headlights/gassed to me.
If by “deer in headlights” you mean he refused to even jog back on defense after making a bad play, then yes you’re correct.
That never happened.
Yeah multiple times. If you lack talent that’s one thing, but that kid put in zero effort over the weekend. If you played at any type of “professional” level I have different expectations than I do for a true freshman.
But effort was Fuchs problem all weekend. Traditionally, the best rebounders are the ones who try the most. Him being bigger than the other front courts was clearly why he was rebounding a lot the first few games.
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If by “deer in headlights” you mean he refused to even jog back on defense after making a bad play, then yes you’re correct.
That never happened.
Yeah multiple times. If you lack talent that’s one thing, but that kid put in zero effort over the weekend. If you played at any type of “professional” level I have different expectations than I do for a true freshman.
But effort was Fuchs problem all weekend. Traditionally, the best rebounders are the ones who try the most. Him being bigger than the other front courts was clearly why he was rebounding a lot the first few games.
They got bullied BlueMan. They got manhandled. That was my take away from last weekend. It's one thing to beat Central Connecticut, which takes no effort. You go up against Big10 teams, you better muscle up. Our guys didn't. Northwestern bullied this team team for 12 minutes to start the game. They were aggressive and our team wilted. They better nut up quickly.
Or at least ditch starting Brown and Fuchs at the same time? Or playing then at the same time?
It's been kind of a disaster for four games in a row now.
I just don't think the Fuchs to Brown high low stuff is gonna work. It kinda worked in the first two games, but since then teams have adjusted and it hasn't been great. Fou has out played both of them.
Gimme Big Fou and Bilau all day against Yale. Their 7 footer will destroy Brown and Fuchs.
If by “deer in headlights” you mean he refused to even jog back on defense after making a bad play, then yes you’re correct.
That never happened.
Yeah multiple times. If you lack talent that’s one thing, but that kid put in zero effort over the weekend. If you played at any type of “professional” level I have different expectations than I do for a true freshman.
But effort was Fuchs problem all weekend. Traditionally, the best rebounders are the ones who try the most. Him being bigger than the other front courts was clearly why he was rebounding a lot the first few games.
Yeah he lacked effort. But he didn't refuse to even jog back on defense. He certainly jogged. Did not sprint.
I went back and watched every second he played against WSU. Never did he just stand there and not jog back at least.
Either way he needs to get benched until he proves he doesn't suck.
Yes it most certainly did. There was one turnover he had at the top of the arch (well he had many of these but one play I’m referring to) where he lost the ball and turned around and lightly pretend to pursue the player on the fast break
Would he have caught him if he sprinted? Hard to say. But he legitimately didn’t even bother to try
He never just stood there and didn't bother to even jog though. That's what he's been accused of.
He just looked like he got way too in his head about his mistakes. He is also slow, but he never just stood there. He even dove for a basketball during this game.
He's been slow getting back all year though. He definitely should play harder, but I also wonder about his stamina. He's often walking up the floor when we bring the ball up on offense.
Either way I'm sure he'll be fine.
How can you "worry about stamina" AND think he'll be fine?
Yes it most certainly did. There was one turnover he had at the top of the arch (well he had many of these but one play I’m referring to) where he lost the ball and turned around and lightly pretend to pursue the player on the fast break
Would he have caught him if he sprinted? Hard to say. But he legitimately didn’t even bother to try
He never just stood there and didn't bother to even jog though. That's what he's been accused of.
He just looked like he got way too in his head about his mistakes. He is also slow, but he never just stood there. He even dove for a basketball during this game.
He's been slow getting back all year though. He definitely should play harder, but I also wonder about his stamina. He's often walking up the floor when we bring the ball up on offense.
Either way I'm sure he'll be fine.
How can you "worry about stamina" AND think he'll be fine?
This was the possession that frustrated me the most while watching live. He throws a lazy pass, then shakes his head and stands there for a second. The guard who was basically at the free-throw line grabs the ball while Fuchs is close to the half-court line. The guard out-hustles him, blows by him, and goes up for an easy layup, which he misses. Fuchs doesn’t attempt to box out or grab the rebound he just walks under the hoop assuming he would make the layup. Kortright grabs the rebound and we go on a fast break. While the rest of the guys are running the fast break, Fuchs is barely jogging, still shaking his head…You don't see him in the video because he's out of frame, walking back.
This was the possession that frustrated me the most while watching live. He throws a lazy pass, then shakes his head and stands there for a second. The guard who was basically at the free-throw line grabs the ball while Fuchs is close to the half-court line. The guard out-hustles him, blows by him, and goes up for an easy layup, which he misses. Fuchs doesn’t attempt to box out or grab the rebound he just walks under the hoop assuming he would make the layup. Kortright grabs the rebound and we go on a fast break. While the rest of the guys are running the fast break, Fuchs is barely jogging, still shaking his head…You don't see him in the video because he's out of frame, walking back.
Unbelievable that he didn't even attempt to block that layup.
This was the possession that frustrated me the most while watching live. He throws a lazy pass, then shakes his head and stands there for a second. The guard who was basically at the free-throw line grabs the ball while Fuchs is close to the half-court line. The guard out-hustles him, blows by him, and goes up for an easy layup, which he misses. Fuchs doesn’t attempt to box out or grab the rebound he just walks under the hoop assuming he would make the layup. Kortright grabs the rebound and we go on a fast break. While the rest of the guys are running the fast break, Fuchs is barely jogging, still shaking his head…You don't see him in the video because he's out of frame, walking back.
Really good find Stevey !!! Totally unacceptable and deserves a spot on the bench and a stern talking to !
Agree that he is young will get better (make better decisions with the ball), but attitude is something you can address immediately.
I believe Fuchs was pulled but then Foumena got two quick fouls basically forcing Archie to play Fuchs again.
However, I was a bit disappointed Fuchs started against JWU. I was hoping Archie would use the start of the game as a teaching moment.
rhodyblue12 wrote: ↑5 months ago
Agree that he is young will get better (make better decisions with the ball), but attitude is something you can address immediately.
I believe Fuchs was pulled but then Foumena got two quick fouls basically forcing Archie to play Fuchs again.
However, I was a bit disappointed Fuchs started against JWU. I was hoping Archie would use the start of the game as a teaching moment.
If he starts Brown and Fuchs against Yale, I hope we don't get in too big of a hole in the first 5 minutes.
rhodyblue12 wrote: ↑5 months ago
Agree that he is young will get better (make better decisions with the ball), but attitude is something you can address immediately.
I believe Fuchs was pulled but then Foumena got two quick fouls basically forcing Archie to play Fuchs again.
However, I was a bit disappointed Fuchs started against JWU. I was hoping Archie would use the start of the game as a teaching moment.
If he starts Brown and Fuchs against Yale, I hope we don't get in too big of a hole in the first 5 minutes.
I hope Estevez is ready to go and we go smaller at times. I also like Zeke, Brandon, 2 guards and 1 big. We need to open up the floor more on offense.
rhodyblue12 wrote: ↑5 months ago
Agree that he is young will get better (make better decisions with the ball), but attitude is something you can address immediately.
I believe Fuchs was pulled but then Foumena got two quick fouls basically forcing Archie to play Fuchs again.
However, I was a bit disappointed Fuchs started against JWU. I was hoping Archie would use the start of the game as a teaching moment.
If he starts Brown and Fuchs against Yale, I hope we don't get in too big of a hole in the first 5 minutes.
I hope Estevez is ready to go and we go smaller at times. I also like Zeke, Brandon, 2 guards and 1 big. We need to open up the floor more on offense.
Brandon also needs the green light to shoot more. His jumper’s looking improved so far.
Agree with all. The two guards on the floor were Always and Luis. From what I see , House is not a good defensive player. It seems his man is often getting by him causing a big to help and contributing to the poor defensive rebounding. With all the good guards in the league, playing house in certain situations might require a zone.( Would love to see Zek at the top of any zone with his height and quickness he would likely disrupt shots and be in the front when there r turnovers.
McRam wrote: ↑5 months ago
Agree with all. The two guards on the floor were Always and Luis. From what I see , House is not a good defensive player. It seems his man is often getting by him causing a big to help and contributing to the poor defensive rebounding. With all the good guards in the league, playing house in certain situations might require a zone.( Would love to see Zek at the top of any zone with his height and quickness he would likely disrupt shots and be in the front when there r turnovers.
I don't believe Archie plays zone defense. I may be wrong, but I don't believe he does.
