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[Ramfan22]

I’m bored and itching for the season to start. Why does that matter?

With my free time I noticed House and Kortright both deactivated their instagrams today.

Let the speculation begin…now

I'm definitely with you on the itching for the season to start. We're so close!

My guess on the IG deactivations...they're just getting ready for the season to start. Don't want any distractions. Time to get to work!

Exactly what I think too. So close to the season starting they’re just limiting distractions. Almost there, 2 more weeks.

[Jersey77]

I’m bored and itching for the season to start. Why does that matter?

With my free time I noticed House and Kortright both deactivated their instagrams today.

Let the speculation begin…now

I'm definitely with you on the itching for the season to start. We're so close!

My guess on the IG deactivations...they're just getting ready for the season to start. Don't want any distractions. Time to get to work!

Agree on that.
Probably don't need any additional distractions.

[NYGFan_Section208]

I’m bored and itching for the season to start. Why does that matter?

With my free time I noticed House and Kortright both deactivated their instagrams today.

Let the speculation begin…now

Just those two? Seems weird, agree, speculation time....

[ramster]

I’m bored and itching for the season to start. Why does that matter?

With my free time I noticed House and Kortright both deactivated their instagrams today.

Let the speculation begin…now

Just those two? Seems weird, agree, speculation time....

Maybe got caught leaking info on the secret scrimmage?

[SandorClegane]

What’s everyone’s pick for the starting 5?
Let’s hear it…

[bigappleram]

If Green gets cleared…

Brown
Green
Montgomery
House
Kortright


If Green doesn’t get cleared…

Brown
Fuchs
Montgomery
House
Kortright

I think 1-3 are a lock. Giving Brown the nod over Foumena for Game 1 given his 1 year of experience over Fou.

[ramster]

If Green gets cleared…

Brown
Green
Montgomery
House
Kortright


If Green doesn’t get cleared…

Brown
Fuchs
Montgomery
House
Kortright

I think 1-3 are a lock. Giving Brown the nod over Foumena for Game 1 given his 1 year of experience over Fou.

BAR,
Assuming no Green, do you think this lineup is still intact at start of A10 play?

[ramster]

Since I think the odds of Green getting a waiver are very small (like 2% chance) and I don't see Green as an immediate starter if he was eligible:

Foumena FR 6'9" 235lbs
Fuchs FR 6'9" 225lbs
Montgomery JR 6'6" 205lbs
Kortright JR 6'3" 200lbs
House JR 6'4" 201lbs

Outside shot that Miller has Stewart SOPH 6'8" 230lbs start possibly in place of Montgomery. Based on Stewart earning the start in the last 3 games of last season including the A10 Tourney LaSalle game. Stewart only started 3 games all year but they were the all important last 3 games. Miler may want to give Stewart the confidence and work Montgomery into the starting lineup as OOC games proceed. Also possible Stewart for Fuchs, again with the possibility Fuchs works his way into the starting lineup as OOC proceeds.
Estevez FR 6'3" 185lbs not to be overlooked.


Last year Miller went with a opening night starting lineup of:
Leggett
Martin
Thomas
Samb
Freeman

4 of the 5 starters were from the prior year roster. Nobody here predicted that starting 5 as I recall. Miller went with established guys except for transfer Freeman. Like he was acknowledging loyalty.

[bigappleram]

Stewart is not starting for Montgomery....Stewart cannot play the 3. If anything he would slot in at the 4 but my guess is Fuchs or Brown will occupy that spot on Game 1 (if Green isn't cleared).

Ramster I can assure you if Green is cleared he is a bona fide starter from Day 1. But I agree with you that those chances are slim.

[section(105)]

Stewart is not starting for Montgomery....Stewart cannot play the 3. If anything he would slot in at the 4 but my guess is Fuchs or Brown will occupy that spot on Game 1 (if Green isn't cleared).

Ramster I can assure you if Green is cleared he is a bona fide starter from Day 1. But I agree with you that those chances are slim.

Other than a loyalty thing going on, I don’t see Stewart starting, I know, I know, it’s who finishes etc. etc. But I would have to think we need and have better players than Stewart for major minutes. No?

[Jdrums#3]

I could see Archie starting Rory early season (first 3 games perhaps) to make an assessment on his progression.

I think Rory needs to make a noticeable production jump this season or his future here will be limited to perhaps a 3 point specialist off the bench called upon when needed.

[rjv]

where does Weston fall into all this

[Jdrums#3]

I am counting on Weston and Rory to make noticeable jumps, rjv.

From what I can gather from KB so far, Weston has looked good in practice (and a better attitude, too) but, looked disengaged in the scrimmage according to some.

He has a very good opportunity here to play and make a difference in getting us back to relevance. I hope he grabs it.

[reef]

If Green gets cleared…

Brown
Green
Montgomery
House
Kortright


If Green doesn’t get cleared…

Brown
Fuchs
Montgomery
House
Kortright

I think 1-3 are a lock. Giving Brown the nod over Foumena for Game 1 given his 1 year of experience over Fou.

BAR,
Assuming no Green, do you think this lineup is still intact at start of A10 play?

Yeah I agree with this , Arch said Tyson as been most improved from the spring so I would think he starts

[PeterRamTime]

Since I think the odds of Green getting a waiver are very small (like 2% chance) and I don't see Green as an immediate starter if he was eligible:

Foumena
Fuchs
Montgomery
Kortright
House

Outside shot that Miller has Stewart start possibly in place of Montgomery. Based on Stewart earning the start in the last 3 games of last season including the A10 Tourney LaSalle game. Stewart only started 3 games all year but they were the all important last 3 games. Miler may want to give Stewart the confidence and work Montgomery into the starting lineup as OOC games proceed. Also possible Stewart for Fuchs, again with the possibility Fuchs works his way into the starting lineup as OOC proceeds.
Estevez is not to be overlooked.


Last year Miller went with a opening night starting lineup of:
Leggett
Martin
Thomas
Samb
Freeman

4 of the 5 starters were from the prior year roster. Nobody here predicted that starting 5 as I recall. Miller went with established guys except for transfer Freeman. Like he was acknowledging loyalty.

Why just 2%?

[SGreenwell]

My guess would be Kortright and House (locks), Montgomery (close to lock, given age and experience, but maybe Weston sneaks in), Fuchs (staff seems very high on him, seems like he has skills to play 4), and Brown (more experienced than Foumena). I think its also possible that they could go smaller, and try having Weston or Montgomery at the 4, depending on the match-ups. Stewart, maybe he sneaks in as the starting 4 for a couple games because of injuries, or because of the incumbency bias. (He started 3 games last year, as Miller churned through options at the back of the bench.) It would only truly surprise me if Dubsky or Estevez or a walk-on was a starter. Green would be a starter if he's eligible.

Mid-year / conference play, I think there's an outside chance that Bilau sneaks into the lineup. He was doing okay as the year went on and before his injury, but 1) guys come back from injuries at different levels of effectiveness, even if they're playing and 2) unfortunately, sometimes injuries can permanently sap skills. I consider anything we get from him this year to be a bonus, and hopefully he and Green are part of a great frontcourt next year.

[Billyboy78]

I think I'm higher on Estevez than most. He might not start, but he's going to see a lot of minutes.

[section(105)]

I think I'm higher on Estevez than most. He might not start, but he's going to see a lot of minutes.

Agree, like what I saw in B/W scrimmage. I would call it quiet confidence. If he sticks around could be good. But with the portal as back drop, who knows anymore?

[steveystuds06]

I think I'm higher on Estevez than most. He might not start, but he's going to see a lot of minutes.

I think most of us are high on Cam. Connor has been the one people think will need some time to develop which I agree with. Cam will become a very good A10 guard.

[section(105)]

If Connor can demonstrate the ability to be the designated three point bomber, early on in limited minutes, he stays. And further develops.

[ramster]

I think I'm higher on Estevez than most. He might not start, but he's going to see a lot of minutes.

I had this in my suggested starting lineup discussion:
Estevez is not to be overlooked.

[SandorClegane]

My guess is…

Brown
Montgomery
Westin
House
Kourtright

Seems like small ball, but still a decent sized line up.
6’3, 6’4, 6’5, 6’6, 6’9 and no one under 200 lbs.

[rhodyblue12]

With so many new players, the starting 5 will likely change up until conference play.
On paper, we have the pieces to matchup with different opposing lineups and we have multiple capable ball handlers.
When Bilau is fully healthy, we should be able to avoid forced small lineups due to foul issues.

In my opinion, if everyone plays up to their ability, we should not struggle to score points this year.
Our record may come down to how well we shoot 3s and making our FTs.
Here's hoping we get back to a running mentality.
This team should be way more enjoyable to watch than recent teams.

[rhodylaw]

If Connor can demonstrate the ability to be the designated three point bomber, early on in limited minutes, he stays. And further develops.

I feel like Archie Dayton teams (or maybe I am confusing with Sean X teams) usually had a sniper off the bench who would play 10-15 mins a game. That type of player has a role, even if they are not getting shots they are someone you have to play D on well outside the arc.

[adam914]

Interesting note during the radio pregame from Disano saying that both Foumena and Dubsky have really come on strong in practice lately and have been progressing well. Good to hear!

[Blue Man]

So this seemed like logical, settled science.

Kortright
House
Montgomery
Brown
Fuchs

Seemed like he was using Ways as a primary PG - and even had Kortright move off the ball for a bit.
Foumena saw a lot of time down low at the 5, even had Foumena in there paired with Fuchs for a bit.
All the bigs can execute a high/low pass it looks like, which is refreshing.
Will be interesting to see what happens with Bilau back.
Estevez subbed in for House. Dubsky got some burn as well.

Weston looks like Weston - tremendous potential but he's a guy that probably gets bounced from the rotation with a healthy Rory.

No way are you running Kortright/House/Montgomery less than 25-30 a night. They're so good.

Seems pretty obvious Green isn't getting a waiver if he was out tonight.

[Rhody15]

So this seemed like logical, settled science.

Kortright
House
Montgomery
Brown
Fuchs

Seemed like he was using Ways as a primary PG - and even had Kortright move off the ball for a bit.
Foumena saw a lot of time down low at the 5, even had Foumena in there paired with Fuchs for a bit.
All the bigs can execute a high/low pass it looks like, which is refreshing.
Will be interesting to see what happens with Bilau back.
Estevez subbed in for House. Dubsky got some burn as well.

Weston looks like Weston - tremendous potential but he's a guy that probably gets bounced from the rotation with a healthy Rory.

No way are you running Kortright/House/Montgomery less than 25-30 a night. They're so good.

Seems pretty obvious Green isn't getting a waiver if he was out tonight.

If Bilau comes up near or at 100%, I see Foumena’s minutes getting slashed pretty significantly.

It’s been said before, but to me, he looks pretty slow and rigid with not much jumping ability.

Could struggle against athektix big guys. Fuchs and Brown 2X as athletic.

[bigappleram]

If Green were cleared he would take a lot of minutes at 4 and further cut into Foumena bc you would have to slide Fuchs and Brown to the 5 to keep them on the floor.

Also besides Holmes at Dayton how many really athletic bigs are there in the A10.

[adam914]

Sounds Bilau could be back in a few weeks to. It's going to be interesting to see how the front court shakes out over the season.

[reef]

So this seemed like logical, settled science.

Kortright
House
Montgomery
Brown
Fuchs

Seemed like he was using Ways as a primary PG - and even had Kortright move off the ball for a bit.
Foumena saw a lot of time down low at the 5, even had Foumena in there paired with Fuchs for a bit.
All the bigs can execute a high/low pass it looks like, which is refreshing.
Will be interesting to see what happens with Bilau back.
Estevez subbed in for House. Dubsky got some burn as well.

Weston looks like Weston - tremendous potential but he's a guy that probably gets bounced from the rotation with a healthy Rory.

No way are you running Kortright/House/Montgomery less than 25-30 a night. They're so good.

Seems pretty obvious Green isn't getting a waiver if he was out tonight.

Seems from this that we are a really deep team

[PeterRamTime]

Sounds Bilau could be back in a few weeks to. It's going to be interesting to see how the front court shakes out over the season.

Not that surprising that he's almost ready to go. By the spring he was already working out no limp or anything.

[Rhody15]

I think I’m a little more reserved about our frontcourt than others.

Perimeter seems good to go with a solid rotation and known quantities.

Our Top 3 frontcourt players going into Monday have a combined 0 seconds of D1 experience.

The other is coming back from an ACL tear and is injury prone.

I don’t see Rory getting many minutes so not including him in this.

I expect some growing pains with Fuchs, Brown and Foumena for a bit, regardless of how they looked last night and other positive leaks from the staff/others.

[Jersey77]

I think I’m a little more reserved about our frontcourt than others.

Perimeter seems good to go with a solid rotation and known quantities.

Our Top 3 frontcourt players going into Monday have a combined 0 seconds of D1 experience.

The other is coming back from an ACL tear and is injury prone.

I don’t see Rory getting many minutes so not including him in this.

I expect some growing pains with Fuchs, Brown and Foumena for a bit, regardless of how they looked last night and other positive leaks from the staff/others.

Yes I agree and it usually takes bigs a little more time to adjust.
Can only hope they are fast learners and be okay come conference play.
Although I do feel Rory will have a role and get more minutes than you think.

[NYGFan_Section208]

I think I’m a little more reserved about our frontcourt than others.

Perimeter seems good to go with a solid rotation and known quantities.

Our Top 3 frontcourt players going into Monday have a combined 0 seconds of D1 experience.

The other is coming back from an ACL tear and is injury prone.

I don’t see Rory getting many minutes so not including him in this.

I expect some growing pains with Fuchs, Brown and Foumena for a bit, regardless of how they looked last night and other positive leaks from the staff/others.

If you think no minutes for Rory, doesn't that mean that, by extension, you must think the team, frontcourt in particular, is better?

[Rhody15]

I think I’m a little more reserved about our frontcourt than others.

Perimeter seems good to go with a solid rotation and known quantities.

Our Top 3 frontcourt players going into Monday have a combined 0 seconds of D1 experience.

The other is coming back from an ACL tear and is injury prone.

I don’t see Rory getting many minutes so not including him in this.

I expect some growing pains with Fuchs, Brown and Foumena for a bit, regardless of how they looked last night and other positive leaks from the staff/others.

If you think no minutes for Rory, doesn't that mean that, by extension, you must think the team, frontcourt in particular, is better?

Better than Rory, yes.

But that’s not really a high bar.

[Billyboy78]

From what little I've seen (the scrimmage and the exhibition game), Brown is our best all around big. Decent post moves, nice baby hook, plays good defense, rebounds and looks to be intimidating when he goes up with both arms extended to block/alter shots. He is the most advanced at this stage, while the others all have nice potential.

[bigappleram]

I think I’m a little more reserved about our frontcourt than others.

Perimeter seems good to go with a solid rotation and known quantities.

Our Top 3 frontcourt players going into Monday have a combined 0 seconds of D1 experience.

The other is coming back from an ACL tear and is injury prone.

I don’t see Rory getting many minutes so not including him in this.

I expect some growing pains with Fuchs, Brown and Foumena for a bit, regardless of how they looked last night and other positive leaks from the staff/others.

That’s the right take 15. There will be growing pains. What they do have is good physicality and they can actually catch an entry pass. Last year we couldn’t even throw the ball down low so that’s a marked improvement. I do agree tho that they are all inexperienced and it will take time for the game to slow down for them. However the A10 big man scene isn’t exactly a gauntlet.

[adam914]

Has Goodman released some news on Green here or is it just poor wording? To me, "in the appeals process" means his waiver was denied and he is now appealing.

[Billyboy78]

Has Goodman released some news on Green here or is it just poor wording? To me, "in the appeals process" means his waiver was denied and he is now appealing.

I wonder how many 2 time waiver cases the NCAA is looking at? It seems to me that there are still a lot more waiting for a decision than there are that have already been decided. Not a surprise since it's the NCAA, but it's ridiculous with the season starting today.

[rhodysurf]

Has Goodman released some news on Green here or is it just poor wording? To me, "in the appeals process" means his waiver was denied and he is now appealing.

I was wondering the same, since the other two time transfers he has as "Waiver was denied and waiting on appeal" but david greens does not say denied hmmmmmm

[NYGFan_Section208]

Has Goodman released some news on Green here or is it just poor wording? To me, "in the appeals process" means his waiver was denied and he is now appealing.

I was wondering the same, since the other two time transfers he has as "Waiver was denied and waiting on appeal" but david greens does not say denied hmmmmmm

It doesn't really say anything...it's just clustrification confirmation.

[adam914]

I was wondering the same, since the other two time transfers he has as "Waiver was denied and waiting on appeal" but david greens does not say denied hmmmmmm

Oh thats a good call, I didn't even notice that.

[TruePoint]

Maybe I’m just extremely cynical but I always assume sloppiness and over intentionality with these things. You likely put more thought into this than he did. Never know, though.

[rhodysurf]

Maybe I’m just extremely cynical but I always assume sloppiness and over intentionality with these things. You likely put more thought into this than he did. Never know, though.

lmao you are definitely right. Just have to guess whether he meant to say waiting on waiver or whether he left out denied hahaha

[NYGFan_Section208]

Maybe I’m just extremely cynical but I always assume sloppiness and over intentionality with these things. You likely put more thought into this than he did. Never know, though.

lmao you are definitely right. Just have to guess whether he meant to say waiting on waiver or whether he left out denied hahaha

Trying to guess about this cluster is like arguing with an idiot....after a while you can't tell the difference.

[reef]

I’m just guessing that Green is still waiting on the NCAA decision, let’s pray he gets eligible

[PeterRamTime]

Makes me feel hopeful!

[KingstonLane]

Makes me feel hopeful!

Kind of insane they haven’t gotten to these waivers yet and the season has started.

Feel like NCAA is dangerously close to losing a lot of court cases and subsequently all their “regulatory” power

[PeterRamTime]

Makes me feel hopeful!

Kind of insane they haven’t gotten to these waivers yet and the season has started.

Feel like NCAA is dangerously close to losing a lot of court cases and subsequently all their “regulatory” power

Their incompetence knows no bounds.

I tried to comprehend a week or so ago how it could possibly take them months and months and months to figure this shit out

Now another week and two games have gone by and David Green's just sitting there waiting still.

Reminds me of the DMV × a really slow fast food line

[Rhodymob05]

Is there a deadline that would coincide with any eligible season factors? I.e, its too late to be approved because its been x amount of games into the season?