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They should just embrace what Rory is: he's the slow white guy on the team, who is meant to be a shooting specialist. Let him concentrate on what he is meant to be good at.

I realize Archie is probably one of those coaches who is like you have to be this--><--athletic to be on this team, but if that is the criteria, Rory is never going to fit on this team. Foot speed is not his problem. His problem is he is a slow tall white guy who is neither fast nor athletic and they have him moving his feet like M.C. Hammer out there, he looks like a spaz. It looks like he's totally confused like he's lost the point out there on offense of what he is supposed to be doing.

If this team is relying on Rory being a starting PF, it's not going to make it out of the basement of the A-10. He's a spot shooter that can be a little more serviceable on the defensive end than he has been. We have Brown, Foumena, Bilau, Fuchs, and possibly Green, not to mention Weston begrudgingly playing the 4 in a small ball lineup. We don't need nor should be relying on Rory to be playing more than 15 mins a game tops.

If he's been promised more than that, then I guess we know which scholarship is going to be going to Ben come this time next year.

A lot of people who are now gone, instead of embracing their strengths, were trying to be something they were not out there. Rory is one of the last remaining survivors of that crew, he would be wise to buckle down and stick to the fundamentals that got him recruited in the first place. Shoot the ball, pass the ball, take care of the ball, harass people on defense.
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PeterRamTime wrote: 9 months ago Great Britain lost to Luxembourg

Shots didn't drop again for Rory

1-6 from three some were heavily contested

Had one good post up that led to a lay up

But dang...they lost to Luxembourg lol the English are exceptionally awful at basketball
Yeah I think the fact that he's playing on an awful team is important context.
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there is a player who will be a freshman at George Washington (Zamoku WELUCHE UME) this year and a player who was a freshman (James Okonkwo) at UWV this past year. Are they really that bad?
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rjv wrote: 9 months ago there is a player who will be a freshman at George Washington (Zamoku WELUCHE UME) this year and a player who was a freshman (James Okonkwo) at UWV this past year. Are they really that bad?
Maybe it's their coaching that sucks. :roll:
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rjv wrote: 9 months ago there is a player who will be a freshman at George Washington (Zamoku WELUCHE UME) this year and a player who was a freshman (James Okonkwo) at UWV this past year. Are they really that bad?
Nah that Okonkwo dude is pretty legit

Also all of these games are on YouTube for those that might be interested.
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jcru wrote: 9 months ago They should just embrace what Rory is: he's the slow white guy on the team, who is meant to be a shooting specialist. Let him concentrate on what he is meant to be good at.

I realize Archie is probably one of those coaches who is like you have to be this--><--athletic to be on this team, but if that is the criteria, Rory is never going to fit on this team. Foot speed is not his problem. His problem is he is a slow tall white guy who is neither fast nor athletic and they have him moving his feet like M.C. Hammer out there, he looks like a spaz. It looks like he's totally confused like he's lost the point out there on offense of what he is supposed to be doing.

If this team is relying on Rory being a starting PF, it's not going to make it out of the basement of the A-10. He's a spot shooter that can be a little more serviceable on the defensive end than he has been. We have Brown, Foumena, Bilau, Fuchs, and possibly Green, not to mention Weston begrudgingly playing the 4 in a small ball lineup. We don't need nor should be relying on Rory to be playing more than 15 mins a game tops.

If he's been promised more than that, then I guess we know which scholarship is going to be going to Ben come this time next year.

A lot of people who are now gone, instead of embracing their strengths, were trying to be something they were not out there. Rory is one of the last remaining survivors of that crew, he would be wise to buckle down and stick to the fundamentals that got him recruited in the first place. Shoot the ball, pass the ball, take care of the ball, harass people on defense.
Yeah that’s why I’m thinking he’s more of a 9th or 10th guy especially if Green gets the waiver , Rory will have to most the most of his opportunities when he gets them or he may not see the floor much
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Do we blame Rory if the coaches use him in what some of us believe to be an inappropriate role? Can he rebel and play another way?
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jcru wrote: 9 months ago They should just embrace what Rory is: he's the slow white guy on the team, who is meant to be a shooting specialist. Let him concentrate on what he is meant to be good at.

I realize Archie is probably one of those coaches who is like you have to be this--><--athletic to be on this team, but if that is the criteria, Rory is never going to fit on this team. Foot speed is not his problem. His problem is he is a slow tall white guy who is neither fast nor athletic and they have him moving his feet like M.C. Hammer out there, he looks like a spaz. It looks like he's totally confused like he's lost the point out there on offense of what he is supposed to be doing.

If this team is relying on Rory being a starting PF, it's not going to make it out of the basement of the A-10. He's a spot shooter that can be a little more serviceable on the defensive end than he has been. We have Brown, Foumena, Bilau, Fuchs, and possibly Green, not to mention Weston begrudgingly playing the 4 in a small ball lineup. We don't need nor should be relying on Rory to be playing more than 15 mins a game tops.

If he's been promised more than that, then I guess we know which scholarship is going to be going to Ben come this time next year.

A lot of people who are now gone, instead of embracing their strengths, were trying to be something they were not out there. Rory is one of the last remaining survivors of that crew, he would be wise to buckle down and stick to the fundamentals that got him recruited in the first place. Shoot the ball, pass the ball, take care of the ball, harass people on defense.
His game is more than that of a spot shooter - the question is if he can get to the level of athleticism to be effective. I was a little surprised at how big (muscular) he was last year after watching recruiting videos of him where he looked thinner and a little more agile. If he works on conditioning and getting a little quicker he can be effective. I think sometimes people put too much emphasis on being super athletic, but a smart, high IQ player with basketball skills can be very effective even if they are a little below average athlete. We have been beat by these types of players for years.
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Ramulous wrote: 9 months ago Do we blame Rory if the coaches use him in what some of us believe to be an inappropriate role? Can he rebel and play another way?
Is it "rebelling" to be yourself? I don't remember Al Skinner or Jim Harrick asking Josh King to be Lamar Odom.

I don't remember Jim Barron asking his own son to be anything more than what he was. People complained he was the weak link on Defense, etc, but he was out there to concentrate on "Putting Da Ball In the Basket" remember? Great shooting sometimes comes with a price.

People were upset that Michael Andersen wasn't more athletic, but he served a very big purpose.

We just saw Alex Tchikou doing much the same thing, he looked like a fish out of water trying to remember what the coaches were teaching him to do and applying to in game. He was such a good boy, he played himself right off the roster. it was ugly to watch.

I want to believe that those foot drills are meant to simply increase one's agility, and not meant as set rules to how you play. You still have to remember to be a basketball player out there. Someone charges at you, you try and set your feet in time and hold your position and make them pay for it. You set your feet on rebounds and box out, etc. You stop for a moment on the wing and face the passer before you call for the ball.

You know that saying "less is more"? Sometimes slower is actually better. Running around and making mistakes and turning the ball over isn't helping anyone. It's clearly a lesson Carey never learned. It's not a net positive, and in the year 2023, will probably get you sent off after the season.
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if Rory was on Davidson, he would put up 18 against us in the first half.

that is the type of player I see him as. One of McKillop's players where we say "how does this guy find these kinds and fit them into his scheme". Hopefully he is able to produce for us. Hopefully he has been working his ass off to learn, and hopefully the coaching staff has been working their ass off to help him.
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rhodylaw wrote: 9 months ago
jcru wrote: 9 months ago

His game is more than that of a spot shooter - the question is if he can get to the level of athleticism to be effective. I was a little surprised at how big (muscular) he was last year after watching recruiting videos of him where he looked thinner and a little more agile. If he works on conditioning and getting a little quicker he can be effective. I think sometimes people put too much emphasis on being super athletic, but a smart, high IQ player with basketball skills can be very effective even if they are a little below average athlete. We have been beat by these types of players for years.
I think he has a decent basketball IQ, but I think he's just a Developmental guy. Someone who needs a few years to develop.
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If Green is eligible then Rory is definitely down on the depth chart , he will need to earn opportunities in practice to earn Arch trust to get some playing time
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reef wrote: 9 months ago If Green is eligible then Rory is definitely down on the depth chart , he will need to earn opportunities in practice to earn Arch trust to get some playing time
Not that far down. Who else is playing the 4?

Luis/Ways/Estevez
House/Dubsky
Zek/Weston
Green/Rory
Foumena/Fuchs/Brown

But again - I really don't see how people are so down on this kid. He's a sophomore who developed very nicely at the end of the season as he had more playing time. Even with his rough shooting start he finished as our best 3 point shooter - not that that's saying much - but also had the team's best FG% for the season at 53%.

The last 10 games - from Feb on he averaged 15 mins a game:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 14/29 - 48.2%
3pt: 10/22 - 45.4%

The last 4 games he had an increased role averaging 22.5 mins:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 7/15 - 46.6%
3pt: 2/5 - 40%

Pretty efficient for a freshman who's your 4th option playing without a PG.

I was happy with his footwork as a freshman, and it seems like he's added some size and speed this offseason. He's going to get legit PG play and have shooters around him. He'll be your 4th or 5th option on the floor and probably be open for shots. He can also defend the 4 - he certainly wasn't a liability like others that we watched last year. I'm pretty happy with him if he's who we have to ride with.
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I think Foumena may be able to play the 4 but probably wouldn’t stretch the floor. Maybe the same for Brown and Fuchs.
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If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
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section(105) wrote: 9 months ago If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
105, I don't see him playing any meaningful minutes this year. Guy can't shoot.
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I think shooting is the one thing Rhory CAN do if he gets enough minutes to be comfortable . I believe if he sticks around for 3 more seasons he
will have become a valuable player before he leaves. At the end of the season he was hitting his threes.
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section(105) wrote: 9 months ago If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
From BlueMan like two posts above yours:

The last 10 games - from Feb on he averaged 15 mins a game:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 14/29 - 48.2%
3pt: 10/22 - 45.4%

The last 4 games he had an increased role averaging 22.5 mins:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 7/15 - 46.6%
3pt: 2/5 - 40%

What are you expecting for a three point percentage?
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RhowdyRam02 wrote: 9 months ago
section(105) wrote: 9 months ago If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
From BlueMan like two posts above yours:

The last 10 games - from Feb on he averaged 15 mins a game:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 14/29 - 48.2%
3pt: 10/22 - 45.4%

The last 4 games he had an increased role averaging 22.5 mins:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 7/15 - 46.6%
3pt: 2/5 - 40%

What are you expecting for a three point percentage?
Yes 02, I think he had a nice finish to his freshman season.
I also feel he will play a much bigger role this season than many here think and will probably be a regular part of the rotation.
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theblueram wrote: 9 months ago
section(105) wrote: 9 months ago If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
105, I don't see him playing any meaningful minutes this year. Guy can't shoot.
That's literally his best skill Blue. It's moreso a matter of if he is quick and strong enough to play the 4 but his shooting stroke is pretty pure.
Many FR struggle with shooting and adjusting to the speed of the game.
I believe Jimmy Baron is the best shooter we have ever had and he shot 36% from 3 his FR year. Finished around 44% for his career. Rory's struggles last year aren't unexpected.
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RIFan wrote: 9 months ago
Billyboy78 wrote: 9 months ago
Looks like he also had 10 rebounds

https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u20b ... at-Britain

His stats
https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u20b ... ry-Stewart
Yes RIF.
Also shot 3Pt(40% 2-5) and 10-13 (FT 79%).
I like that he was able to get to the foul line and then converted.

He will be much improved and just fine this season, looking forward to seeing how much he progressed.
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RhowdyRam02 wrote: 9 months ago
section(105) wrote: 9 months ago If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
From BlueMan like two posts above yours:

The last 10 games - from Feb on he averaged 15 mins a game:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 14/29 - 48.2%
3pt: 10/22 - 45.4%

The last 4 games he had an increased role averaging 22.5 mins:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 7/15 - 46.6%
3pt: 2/5 - 40%

What are you expecting for a three point percentage?
FWIW, I don't necessarily think that this means he improved as the season went along - he simply could have gotten lucky, with more shots falling in the second half of his season vs. the first half. Sample sizes of 22 shots in 10 games and five shots in four games aren't really large enough to be relevant. Sure, better that he did that instead of playing as poorly as he did in the first half.

I would like to be wrong, but I kind of get the whiff that he simply had a couple more shots fall than anything else, because his other stats mostly stayed the same. Likewise, I'm not sure if he was getting more minutes because he had actual improvement, or because Miller just got frustrated with the other poor options for playing time. (It was pretty much a revolving door for time between Stewart, Samb and Tchikou, once Bilau went out. None of them averaged more than 20 MPG or started 20 games.) For the season, he played the 4 and 5, and he averaged one rebound every six minutes. He finished the year with three steals and two blocks, total. So, I hope the informal scouting reports here about his quickness being much improved are true, because he's pretty much unplayable at the A-10 level unless he's shooting like 50+ percent.
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Rory showed up today boys and girls!

Just finished watching it

He was way more sure of himself and they moved him inside a little more in this game and he fuckin killed it!

That's the Rory we can get excited about!
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Watching the first quarter of the GB/Hungary game, Rory is looking a lot better in this one.

At the 3:50 mark he hits a three, that makes him 1 of 2 at that point, and on the following possession he attempts a three and two defenders take him out and put him at the line for three free throws, he hit 2 out of 3 of them. 5 pts at this point.
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SGreenwell wrote: 9 months ago
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 9 months ago
section(105) wrote: 9 months ago If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
From BlueMan like two posts above yours:

The last 10 games - from Feb on he averaged 15 mins a game:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 14/29 - 48.2%
3pt: 10/22 - 45.4%

The last 4 games he had an increased role averaging 22.5 mins:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 7/15 - 46.6%
3pt: 2/5 - 40%

What are you expecting for a three point percentage?
FWIW, I don't necessarily think that this means he improved as the season went along - he simply could have gotten lucky, with more shots falling in the second half of his season vs. the first half. Sample sizes of 22 shots in 10 games and five shots in four games aren't really large enough to be relevant. Sure, better that he did that instead of playing as poorly as he did in the first half.

I would like to be wrong, but I kind of get the whiff that he simply had a couple more shots fall than anything else, because his other stats mostly stayed the same. Likewise, I'm not sure if he was getting more minutes because he had actual improvement, or because Miller just got frustrated with the other poor options for playing time. (It was pretty much a revolving door for time between Stewart, Samb and Tchikou, once Bilau went out. None of them averaged more than 20 MPG or started 20 games.) For the season, he played the 4 and 5, and he averaged one rebound every six minutes. He finished the year with three steals and two blocks, total. So, I hope the informal scouting reports here about his quickness being much improved are true, because he's pretty much unplayable at the A-10 level unless he's shooting like 50+ percent.
SG, remember he was just a freshman and just as many of his shots barely rimmed out earlier in the season.
I wouldn't say his overall game is pretty much unplayable in the A-10, I mean let's face it our conference isn't exactly P6 level.
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PeterRamTime wrote: 9 months ago Rory showed up today boys and girls!

Just finished watching it

He was way more sure of himself and they moved him inside a little more in this game and he fuckin killed it!

That's the Rory we can get excited about!
Yes PRT, he seemed much more comfortable, letting the game come to him and playing within himself.
Also I think there is more to his game than just throwing up 3pt shots.
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There’s always room for a stretch 4 that can shoot it , Rory should get opportunities to produce especially when other teams play zone against us I would expect him to be on the floor to help bust it
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Been a tough offseason for all the doubters on this site.

Jump on the believe train boys and girls it’s gonna be a hell of a season!
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Just finished the first half. Kind of a mixed bag. He's 3 of 5 from the charity stripe. He had a really bad turnover at the 3:20 mark in the second quarter, but then followed it up with a nice pass down low that led to his teammate going to the line.

This GB team really needs someone like Rory, most of the guys on the team can't hit the broad side of a barn.

I'll watch the second half later, comment if I notice anything good or bad.
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bigappleram wrote: 9 months ago
theblueram wrote: 9 months ago
section(105) wrote: 9 months ago If Rory does not up his 3 Pt % to the point he is a legit weapon that defenses will have to respect, he will be a portal candidate at seasons end.
105, I don't see him playing any meaningful minutes this year. Guy can't shoot.
That's literally his best skill Blue. It's moreso a matter of if he is quick and strong enough to play the 4 but his shooting stroke is pretty pure.
Many FR struggle with shooting and adjusting to the speed of the game.
I believe Jimmy Baron is the best shooter we have ever had and he shot 36% from 3 his FR year. Finished around 44% for his career. Rory's struggles last year aren't unexpected.
Hopefully he read my negative posts and kicked it into gear. :D I can't bear to watch another year like last year offensively.
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Jersey77 wrote: 9 months ago
SGreenwell wrote: 9 months ago
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 9 months ago

From BlueMan like two posts above yours:

The last 10 games - from Feb on he averaged 15 mins a game:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 14/29 - 48.2%
3pt: 10/22 - 45.4%

The last 4 games he had an increased role averaging 22.5 mins:

Pts - 4.3
FG: 7/15 - 46.6%
3pt: 2/5 - 40%

What are you expecting for a three point percentage?
FWIW, I don't necessarily think that this means he improved as the season went along - he simply could have gotten lucky, with more shots falling in the second half of his season vs. the first half. Sample sizes of 22 shots in 10 games and five shots in four games aren't really large enough to be relevant. Sure, better that he did that instead of playing as poorly as he did in the first half.

I would like to be wrong, but I kind of get the whiff that he simply had a couple more shots fall than anything else, because his other stats mostly stayed the same. Likewise, I'm not sure if he was getting more minutes because he had actual improvement, or because Miller just got frustrated with the other poor options for playing time. (It was pretty much a revolving door for time between Stewart, Samb and Tchikou, once Bilau went out. None of them averaged more than 20 MPG or started 20 games.) For the season, he played the 4 and 5, and he averaged one rebound every six minutes. He finished the year with three steals and two blocks, total. So, I hope the informal scouting reports here about his quickness being much improved are true, because he's pretty much unplayable at the A-10 level unless he's shooting like 50+ percent.
SG, remember he was just a freshman and just as many of his shots barely rimmed out earlier in the season.
I wouldn't say his overall game is pretty much unplayable in the A-10, I mean let's face it our conference isn't exactly P6 level.
He needs to drastically improve his rebounding and quickness, as well as his shooting, just to be playable. Like even in his "good" 10 game stretch, he was averaging like 4.3 PPG in 15 to 20 MPG. It's a pretty big mountain to climb.
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SGreenwell wrote: 9 months ago
Jersey77 wrote: 9 months ago
SGreenwell wrote: 9 months ago

FWIW, I don't necessarily think that this means he improved as the season went along - he simply could have gotten lucky, with more shots falling in the second half of his season vs. the first half. Sample sizes of 22 shots in 10 games and five shots in four games aren't really large enough to be relevant. Sure, better that he did that instead of playing as poorly as he did in the first half.

I would like to be wrong, but I kind of get the whiff that he simply had a couple more shots fall than anything else, because his other stats mostly stayed the same. Likewise, I'm not sure if he was getting more minutes because he had actual improvement, or because Miller just got frustrated with the other poor options for playing time. (It was pretty much a revolving door for time between Stewart, Samb and Tchikou, once Bilau went out. None of them averaged more than 20 MPG or started 20 games.) For the season, he played the 4 and 5, and he averaged one rebound every six minutes. He finished the year with three steals and two blocks, total. So, I hope the informal scouting reports here about his quickness being much improved are true, because he's pretty much unplayable at the A-10 level unless he's shooting like 50+ percent.
SG, remember he was just a freshman and just as many of his shots barely rimmed out earlier in the season.
I wouldn't say his overall game is pretty much unplayable in the A-10, I mean let's face it our conference isn't exactly P6 level.
He needs to drastically improve his rebounding and quickness, as well as his shooting, just to be playable. Like even in his "good" 10 game stretch, he was averaging like 4.3 PPG in 15 to 20 MPG. It's a pretty big mountain to climb.
Based on what I saw today we are in good shape if he is our back up 4 man
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SGreenwell wrote: 9 months ago
Jersey77 wrote: 9 months ago
SGreenwell wrote: 9 months ago

FWIW, I don't necessarily think that this means he improved as the season went along - he simply could have gotten lucky, with more shots falling in the second half of his season vs. the first half. Sample sizes of 22 shots in 10 games and five shots in four games aren't really large enough to be relevant. Sure, better that he did that instead of playing as poorly as he did in the first half.

I would like to be wrong, but I kind of get the whiff that he simply had a couple more shots fall than anything else, because his other stats mostly stayed the same. Likewise, I'm not sure if he was getting more minutes because he had actual improvement, or because Miller just got frustrated with the other poor options for playing time. (It was pretty much a revolving door for time between Stewart, Samb and Tchikou, once Bilau went out. None of them averaged more than 20 MPG or started 20 games.) For the season, he played the 4 and 5, and he averaged one rebound every six minutes. He finished the year with three steals and two blocks, total. So, I hope the informal scouting reports here about his quickness being much improved are true, because he's pretty much unplayable at the A-10 level unless he's shooting like 50+ percent.
SG, remember he was just a freshman and just as many of his shots barely rimmed out earlier in the season.
I wouldn't say his overall game is pretty much unplayable in the A-10, I mean let's face it our conference isn't exactly P6 level.
He needs to drastically improve his rebounding and quickness, as well as his shooting, just to be playable. Like even in his "good" 10 game stretch, he was averaging like 4.3 PPG in 15 to 20 MPG. It's a pretty big mountain to climb.
Those fundamentals which include footwork, positioning, boxing out, will all improve with time as he gains experience and development from our staff.

I don't really care that he will never be an athletic freak but feel he will be very serviceable and a contributor for us.
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Rory does in fact have that dawg in him
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Get on the Rory Train!
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Just putting things into perspective, not saying Rory will be a star or all-conference player.
But for our team at this point, I feel Rory can play a nice role in our rotation and make an impact.
Especially if Green is denied a waiver, which is very possible.
Besides in Green's 3 years at La. Tech and Hofstra, only starting 10 games and averaging 14.6 minutes, there are no guarantees how great of an impact he will make here, but I certainly hope he will.
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I’m not happy with 20 and 10 on a world stage. There…I said it. We need 40 and 20 and 10 assists.
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Well, if you look at just the box score stats from the 4 games, you can clearly see he had his best game today. Some of that might be due to strength of opponent. But, visibly, he was just a different player than he was in the other game I saw. He was probably the most effective player out there today, and that includes the kid at North Carolina.

I still have to watch the 4th quarter of today's game, where it looks like they did the most damage. But he even seemed to be stronger as the game went on. His best quarters of what I saw so far were the 1st and 3rd.

We talk about "the game slowing down" for these guys when they start to really feel comfortable, and in this case he was actually slowing down. The first game I saw he was just a bundle of aimless energy like a live wire all over the floor, not really accomplishing much of anything, and having a negative impact on the team in general. This game he was much more focused, deliberate, in control, knew where he wanted to go and what he wanted to do, just very different. Not fantastic, mind you, but a heck of a lot better than earlier this week. I'm not enough of an ego maniac to believe what say here makes much of a difference to these guys, but my guess is someone, his father, a coach, Archie, had a sit down pep talk with him at least before this game.

I think he could have a decent role on this team. Keep in mind, these teams were not great competition. The top 6 teams in the A-10 would have most likely murdered these U20 teams, all of them. I'm not sure he is starter yet, however, at least not in year 2. You knew Jimmy Baron was going to start for 4 years, I'm not sure that is a given for Rory. He'll have his chances, but he has to make the most of them, and they are only going to happen with consistent shooting.
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote: 9 months ago Get on the Rory Train!
Rory is king.
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I don't think anyone was expecting the second coming of jimmy Baron with Rory . What I saw of him last season was a player who seemed to be
becoming more comfortable at the end of the season and much more confident and relaxed which explains his late success from three . I don't think
it was a fluke that his shots started dropping . I think he has a nice touch and will improve all around as his career continues . I don't get all the negativity about his play last year . He played very limited minutes if at all early on . what were some of you expecting ? there have been plenty of A10 players similar to him over the years that became decent players by their senior seasons . That is what i expect of him . I see him coming in games
and hitting threes if the defense ignores him , and if they don't ignore him he is opening up the floor for others to find more open shots and that is
fine by me as basically a tenth man . I don't think we need any more than that from him as the team is constructed right now . If we do then we have
drastically overrated the talent level here for the upcoming season . At this moment I don't believe that.
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luke wrote: 9 months ago I don't think anyone was expecting the second coming of jimmy Baron with Rory . What I saw of him last season was a player who seemed to be
becoming more comfortable at the end of the season and much more confident and relaxed which explains his late success from three . I don't think
it was a fluke that his shots started dropping . I think he has a nice touch and will improve all around as his career continues . I don't get all the negativity about his play last year . He played very limited minutes if at all early on . what were some of you expecting ? there have been plenty of A10 players similar to him over the years that became decent players by their senior seasons . That is what i expect of him . I see him coming in games
and hitting threes if the defense ignores him , and if they don't ignore him he is opening up the floor for others to find more open shots and that is
fine by me as basically a tenth man . I don't think we need any more than that from him as the team is constructed right now . If we do then we have
drastically overrated the talent level here for the upcoming season . At this moment I don't believe that.
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Though I still see him as much more than a 10th man, and I think the staff does as well.

Last season's roster was probably the least talented we've had at URI top to bottom. That whole team is gone. You had a non D1 PG playing the most minutes. Minus Ish you could make that case for a significant chunk of the team. Everyone transferred down to a lower level and there's not guarantee they'll make an impact there. Malik is an awesome dude and leader but wouldn't have seen the floor on any 20 win team in URI history.

Having 2-3 guys that can shoot and draw doubles will automatically mean that Rory is going to get open. More importantly, a good PG means that he will get the ball in a good shooting position while open.

Idk why we're worried about the average points for a 4th scoring option on a bad team with no PG last year. If your 4th guy is giving you efficient scoring when called upon - who cares? 1 of 2 things happens - he hits the open shots or he forces defenses to not leave him open letting House/Zek go to work/leaving an open big under the hoop.

6 years of Dan Hurley had everyone believing Dave Cox would get us to another level, but 4 years of Dave Cox has everyone believing that Archie is doomed and everything is terrible.
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luke wrote: 9 months ago I don't think anyone was expecting the second coming of jimmy Baron with Rory . What I saw of him last season was a player who seemed to be
becoming more comfortable at the end of the season and much more confident and relaxed which explains his late success from three . I don't think
it was a fluke that his shots started dropping . I think he has a nice touch and will improve all around as his career continues . I don't get all the negativity about his play last year . He played very limited minutes if at all early on . what were some of you expecting ? there have been plenty of A10 players similar to him over the years that became decent players by their senior seasons . That is what i expect of him . I see him coming in games
and hitting threes if the defense ignores him , and if they don't ignore him he is opening up the floor for others to find more open shots and that is
fine by me as basically a tenth man . I don't think we need any more than that from him as the team is constructed right now . If we do then we have
drastically overrated the talent level here for the upcoming season . At this moment I don't believe that.
100%

Though I still see him as much more than a 10th man, and I think the staff does as well.

Last season's roster was probably the least talented we've had at URI top to bottom. That whole team is gone. You had a non D1 PG playing the most minutes. Minus Ish you could make that case for a significant chunk of the team. Everyone transferred down to a lower level and there's not guarantee they'll make an impact there. Malik is an awesome dude and leader but wouldn't have seen the floor on any 20 win team in URI history.

Having 2-3 guys that can shoot and draw doubles will automatically mean that Rory is going to get open. More importantly, a good PG means that he will get the ball in a good shooting position while open.

Idk why we're worried about the average points for a 4th scoring option on a bad team with no PG last year. If your 4th guy is giving you efficient scoring when called upon - who cares? 1 of 2 things happens - he hits the open shots or he forces defenses to not leave him open letting House/Zek go to work/leaving an open big under the hoop.

6 years of Dan Hurley had everyone believing Dave Cox would get us to another level, but 4 years of Dave Cox has everyone believing that Archie is doomed and everything is terrible.

If the chief concern here is that our 4th shooting option on offense hits 40% of his 3's but doesn't score enough points, I think we'll be fine.
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After today's events Great Britain advances to the round of 16 in the tourbament and will take on North Macedonia Friday.

This is unfortunate news for North Macedonia

For they are but an insect to be squashed on Rory's warpath.
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Blue Man wrote: 9 months ago
luke wrote: 9 months ago I don't think anyone was expecting the second coming of jimmy Baron with Rory . What I saw of him last season was a player who seemed to be
becoming more comfortable at the end of the season and much more confident and relaxed which explains his late success from three . I don't think
it was a fluke that his shots started dropping . I think he has a nice touch and will improve all around as his career continues . I don't get all the negativity about his play last year . He played very limited minutes if at all early on . what were some of you expecting ? there have been plenty of A10 players similar to him over the years that became decent players by their senior seasons . That is what i expect of him . I see him coming in games
and hitting threes if the defense ignores him , and if they don't ignore him he is opening up the floor for others to find more open shots and that is
fine by me as basically a tenth man . I don't think we need any more than that from him as the team is constructed right now . If we do then we have
drastically overrated the talent level here for the upcoming season . At this moment I don't believe that.
100%

Though I still see him as much more than a 10th man, and I think the staff does as well.

Last season's roster was probably the least talented we've had at URI top to bottom. That whole team is gone. You had a non D1 PG playing the most minutes. Minus Ish you could make that case for a significant chunk of the team. Everyone transferred down to a lower level and there's not guarantee they'll make an impact there. Malik is an awesome dude and leader but wouldn't have seen the floor on any 20 win team in URI history.

Having 2-3 guys that can shoot and draw doubles will automatically mean that Rory is going to get open. More importantly, a good PG means that he will get the ball in a good shooting position while open.

Idk why we're worried about the average points for a 4th scoring option on a bad team with no PG last year. If your 4th guy is giving you efficient scoring when called upon - who cares? 1 of 2 things happens - he hits the open shots or he forces defenses to not leave him open letting House/Zek go to work/leaving an open big under the hoop.

6 years of Dan Hurley had everyone believing Dave Cox would get us to another level, but 4 years of Dave Cox has everyone believing that Archie is doomed and everything is terrible.

If the chief concern here is that our 4th shooting option on offense hits 40% of his 3's but doesn't score enough points, I think we'll be fine.
I also feel he will be farther up in the rotation than 10th.

Blue Man, I think most here are optimistic and not all doom and gloom.
Just need to be patient.
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Cautious optimism expressed by most here is far from doom and gloom.
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Jersey77 wrote: 9 months ago
Blue Man wrote: 9 months ago
luke wrote: 9 months ago I don't think anyone was expecting the second coming of jimmy Baron with Rory . What I saw of him last season was a player who seemed to be
becoming more comfortable at the end of the season and much more confident and relaxed which explains his late success from three . I don't think
it was a fluke that his shots started dropping . I think he has a nice touch and will improve all around as his career continues . I don't get all the negativity about his play last year . He played very limited minutes if at all early on . what were some of you expecting ? there have been plenty of A10 players similar to him over the years that became decent players by their senior seasons . That is what i expect of him . I see him coming in games
and hitting threes if the defense ignores him , and if they don't ignore him he is opening up the floor for others to find more open shots and that is
fine by me as basically a tenth man . I don't think we need any more than that from him as the team is constructed right now . If we do then we have
drastically overrated the talent level here for the upcoming season . At this moment I don't believe that.
100%

Though I still see him as much more than a 10th man, and I think the staff does as well.

Last season's roster was probably the least talented we've had at URI top to bottom. That whole team is gone. You had a non D1 PG playing the most minutes. Minus Ish you could make that case for a significant chunk of the team. Everyone transferred down to a lower level and there's not guarantee they'll make an impact there. Malik is an awesome dude and leader but wouldn't have seen the floor on any 20 win team in URI history.

Having 2-3 guys that can shoot and draw doubles will automatically mean that Rory is going to get open. More importantly, a good PG means that he will get the ball in a good shooting position while open.

Idk why we're worried about the average points for a 4th scoring option on a bad team with no PG last year. If your 4th guy is giving you efficient scoring when called upon - who cares? 1 of 2 things happens - he hits the open shots or he forces defenses to not leave him open letting House/Zek go to work/leaving an open big under the hoop.

6 years of Dan Hurley had everyone believing Dave Cox would get us to another level, but 4 years of Dave Cox has everyone believing that Archie is doomed and everything is terrible.

If the chief concern here is that our 4th shooting option on offense hits 40% of his 3's but doesn't score enough points, I think we'll be fine.
I also feel he will be farther up in the rotation than 10th.

Blue Man, I think most here are optimistic and not all doom and gloom.
Just need to be patient.
I'm totally optimistic. I just don't see how that mixes with patient...
How this next year's team performs...most likely has little or nothing to do with the following year's team.... outside of, if we're good, players will want to play here...jmho at this juncture. Hopefully, tomorrow is a good beach day.
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