A10 Outlook for 2023-24

[Dino611]

This next week will be interesting for the A10 along with many other conferences.
June 1st is the deadline for players to withdraw from the draft and maintain their college eligibility.
3 key players in the A10, will make their decision and have a big effect on their team's chances this season.
Yuri Collins (SLU), Darren Holmes (Dayton), and Tyler Burton (Richmond).
There maybe more, but these players come to mind first.

You mean Jalen Carey did not come to mind first?

No offense, I don’t know what the fuss is about wanting Jalen Carey back, I’d rather move on and give his minutes to Always and Cam

I believe Jersey is referring to the players that actually were on All-conference in the A10 and would be very beneficiary if they come back

[McRam]

This next week will be interesting for the A10 along with many other conferences.
June 1st is the deadline for players to withdraw from the draft and maintain their college eligibility.
3 key players in the A10, will make their decision and have a big effect on their team's chances this season.
Yuri Collins (SLU), Darren Holmes (Dayton), and Tyler Burton (Richmond).
There maybe more, but these players come to mind first.

You mean Jalen Carey did not come to mind first?

No offense, I don’t know what the fuss is about wanting Jalen Carey back, I’d rather move on and give his minutes to Always and Cam

I believe Jersey is referring to the players that actually were on All-conference in the A10 and would be very beneficiary if they come back

Sorry, I need to,work on my sarcasm !

[Rhody15]

"used to"

Welcome to the year 2023, '15. I trust you slept well.

I mean we had multiple players this season, in 2023, transfer out for a second time. As did multiple other schools.

I would argue that we had exactly one player transfer that made any difference at all, and it was his first transfer.

Now you’re trying to change the goalposts lol

[Jersey77]

The love affair with Loyola and pundits amazes me.

It also makes no sense. So these guys rating would tell me that we’re going to be 14th or worse with that grade next year?

Archie isn’t a media darling. Which I’m fine with. Frank Martin had a final four team last year with all the offseason accolades he received. How’d that work out?

Blue Man, I agree that last season early predictions had them overrated and I posted that several times.

But this year there is a lot to like about their roster, at least on paper.
Aside from a good starting 5, they will have plenty of depth.,

(PG) Norris - Averaged 11 pts (36% 3PT)/ 4 assists
(G) Dolan - Cornell transfer 13.3 pts (42.5% 3PT)
(G) Watson - Davidson transfer 9.4 pts
(F) Alston - Averaged 14.6 pts (40% 3PT)/ 5.6 rebs, led the team in scoring and rebounding
(F) Adelekun - Dartmouth transfer 14 pts (40% 3PT, 56% FG)/ 7 rebs
(F) Schweiger - Averaged 9.2 pts
(F) Mwamba - Oral Roberts transfer 8 pts (48.6% FG)/ 4.4 rebs

Also, off the bench with players that have started for them last season (F) Welch, (G) Quinn, (G) Edwards.

[NYGFan_Section208]

You mean Jalen Carey did not come to mind first?

No offense, I don’t know what the fuss is about wanting Jalen Carey back, I’d rather move on and give his minutes to Always and Cam

I believe Jersey is referring to the players that actually were on All-conference in the A10 and would be very beneficiary if they come back

Sorry, I need to,work on my sarcasm !

No, not at all. (See what I did there?)

[SmartyBarrett]

So would that mean that said player would have to sit out a year since having missed the Portal Deadline?
Also, Grad Student Transfers don't have to go by the Portal deadline, right? And Grads don't have to sit out a year
Hint about who he is referring to?

Ding ding ding

Gotta be burton

[reef]

Ding ding ding

Gotta be burton

Good for him P6 player

[RIFan]

Good for him, bad for the A10.

[ramster]

Ding ding ding

Gotta be burton

Burton now one of the most sought after players in the Portal
Like some Grad Transfers maybe he chooses to play close to home so parents/friends can watch him play.
PC could be a landing spot. Kim English knowing Burton from the A10 plus Burton's Dad, Quintin Burton, played 4 years for PC.

[Jersey77]

Gotta be burton

Burton now one of the most sought after players in the Portal
Like some Grad Transfers maybe he chooses to play close to home so parents/friends can watch him play.
PC could be a landing spot. Kim English knowing Burton from the A10 plus Burton's Dad, Quintin Burton, played 4 years for PC.

Ramster you read my mind, PC could be a good possibility.

Hopkins, Oduro, and Burton would be a scary frontcourt.

[Jersey77]

Surprising, tough loss for SLU.

[Dino611]

Saw this yesterday on Twitter and knew something was up

[bigappleram]

If I’m SLU Ford is on the hot seat this year.

[Jersey77]

If I’m SLU Ford is on the hot seat this year.

Wouldn't be surprised, not looking good for Ford.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Saw this yesterday on Twitter and knew something was up

Well, it's really gross when some people make ambiguous statements about other unnamed publicly, but implied to be known, individuals' grossness on social media. But...social media gonna social media...

[LoveThoseRams]

Burton now one of the most sought after players in the Portal
Like some Grad Transfers maybe he chooses to play close to home so parents/friends can watch him play.
PC could be a landing spot. Kim English knowing Burton from the A10 plus Burton's Dad, Quintin Burton, played 4 years for PC.

Ramster you read my mind, PC could be a good possibility.

Hopkins, Oduro, and Burton would be a scary frontcourt.

Villanova it is!

[RhowdyRam02]

If I’m SLU Ford is on the hot seat this year.

Actually had a better A10 winning percentage at UMass (31-17, .646) than he has at St. Louis (67-51, .568). I don't think I would have guessed that. Personally I agree, he should be on the hot seat

[reef]

If I’m SLU Ford is on the hot seat this year.

Agree been there since 2016 , can see a change coming

[Jersey77]

Huge news for Dayton

[PeterRamTime]

If I’m SLU Ford is on the hot seat this year.

Actually had a better A10 winning percentage at UMass (31-17, .646) than he has at St. Louis (67-51, .568). I don't think I would have guessed that. Personally I agree, he should be on the hot seat

And he Jim Baroned at UMass and he's Jim Baroning at SLU

Forever coming up short

He definitely would've been fired by now if not for the 2019 A-10 Tournament run, which we should get an assist for that one because we knocked out VCU.

[reef]

Huge news for Dayton

Wow !!

[SmartyBarrett]

Old Takes Exposed

[reef]

Old Takes Exposed

Zack Edey returning to Purdue also , makes it more likely these good college players going one more year with NIL

[Jersey77]

Dayton may not contend, but they should be very competitive.

[SmartyBarrett]

Zack Edey returning to Purdue also , makes it more likely these good college players going one more year with NIL

I'm also not sure Edey is an NBA player. Big time Tacko Fall vibes with him. Fall is currently playing in China.

[PeterRamTime]

Zack Edey returning to Purdue also , makes it more likely these good college players going one more year with NIL

I'm also not sure Edey is an NBA player. Big time Tacko Fall vibes with him. Fall is currently playing in China.

Yeah he's a fringe second rounder, which is insane to think when you watch him. But that's today's NBA.

I think he has a better chance than Tacko to stay in the league though.

[Jersey77]

https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/05/08/ ... 24-season/

Now revisiting this prediction, I agree with their top 7 teams but not in that order:
No way do I see Fordham as #1 but still in the upper half.
At this point the Bonnies may be the top choice followed by their other picks which include (but in no particular order): Duquesne, St. Joe's, Loyola, Fordham, VCU, and Dayton.

UMass at #8 isn't a stretch with guards Diggins, Keon Thompson, and Curry plus top forward Cross, NEC-POY Josh Cohen (22 pts/ 8 rebs), returning big Leveque, and South Carolina transfer (PF) Sanford.

Richmond also shouldn't be terrible with returning bigs; 7-footer Quinn and forward Bigelow.
They also added All-NEC guard DeLonnie Hunt and All-Southern conference guard Jordan King.
Plus they return 3pt specialist CG Roche.

SLU returns their top scorer Jimmerson and GWU their top player Bishop (21.6 pts/5.2 assists).

Even with our latest additions, I still don't see us being in the top half of the conference.
Our team is still somewhat of a mystery, but I am expecting much improvement over last season.

[NYGFan_Section208]

https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/05/08/ ... 24-season/

Now revisiting this prediction, I agree with their top 7 teams but not in that order:
No way do I see Fordham as #1 but still in the upper half.
At this point the Bonnies may be the top choice followed by their other picks which include (but in no particular order): Duquesne, St. Joe's, Loyola, Fordham, VCU, and Dayton.

UMass at #8 isn't a stretch with guards Diggins, Keon Thompson, and Curry plus top forward Cross, NEC-POY Josh Cohen (22 pts/ 8 rebs), returning big Leveque, and South Carolina transfer (PF) Sanford.

Richmond also shouldn't be terrible with returning bigs; 7-footer Quinn and forward Bigelow.
They also added All-NEC guard DeLonnie Hunt and All-Southern conference guard Jordan King.
Plus they return 3pt specialist CG Roche.

SLU returns their top scorer Jimmerson and GWU their top player Bishop (21.6 pts/5.2 assists).

Even with our latest additions, I still don't see us being in the top half of the conference.
Our team is still somewhat of a mystery, but I am expecting much improvement over last season.

I know I don't speak for everyone but...."much improvement" and "not in the top half of the conference"....don't seem jive. If not in the "top half" of the conference, that will be downright depressing, would make me totally regret re-upping my tix this year (seriously waffled on it, right up until the 6/1 date), and ensure I definitely wouldn't be getting any the next year. I can't believe that Arch came here to be satisfied with "not in the top half of the conference after year 2."

[section(105)]

Until we land a big fish(someone the blue Ram likes)someone that has pull to get others to follow, Archie will struggle in my opine.

[Jersey77]

https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/05/08/ ... 24-season/

Now revisiting this prediction, I agree with their top 7 teams but not in that order:
No way do I see Fordham as #1 but still in the upper half.
At this point the Bonnies may be the top choice followed by their other picks which include (but in no particular order): Duquesne, St. Joe's, Loyola, Fordham, VCU, and Dayton.

UMass at #8 isn't a stretch with guards Diggins, Keon Thompson, and Curry plus top forward Cross, NEC-POY Josh Cohen (22 pts/ 8 rebs), returning big Leveque, and South Carolina transfer (PF) Sanford.

Richmond also shouldn't be terrible with returning bigs; 7-footer Quinn and forward Bigelow.
They also added All-NEC guard DeLonnie Hunt and All-Southern conference guard Jordan King.
Plus they return 3pt specialist CG Roche.

SLU returns their top scorer Jimmerson and GWU their top player Bishop (21.6 pts/5.2 assists).

Even with our latest additions, I still don't see us being in the top half of the conference.
Our team is still somewhat of a mystery, but I am expecting much improvement over last season.

I know I don't speak for everyone but...."much improvement" and "not in the top half of the conference"....don't seem jive. If not in the "top half" of the conference, that will be downright depressing, would make me totally regret re-upping my tix this year (seriously waffled on it, right up until the 6/1 date), and ensure I definitely wouldn't be getting any the next year. I can't believe that Arch came here to be satisfied with "not in the top half of the conference after year 2."

For me NYG, I hope to see much improvement even if we are out of the top half.
Remember we basically have a whole new roster without any returning starters.

We finished 14th, so if we move up 4-5 places at least that would be a step in the right direction.
Especially if we see the pieces starting to come together for us to make a much bigger jump in 24-25.

I didn't see this rebuild happening overnight and yeah I was disappointed last season, didn't think we would fall quite that low. Based on that, I have tempered my expectations, so the process may take a little longer.

[NYGFan_Section208]

14th to 10th would be complete failure (again)

[steveystuds06]

Nothing worse than "fans" that bail on our players and program when things are bad. Especially two years into a rebuild.

I would be ok with a 7-10th place finish in year 2. As long as we keep a few cornerstone players that we can build around, that's the top priority for me. Now by years 3 and 4 if things don't start really improving I'll start to have serious doubts. Either way, I'll be getting season tickets every year.

[Jersey77]

Nothing worse than "fans" that bail on our players and program when things are bad. Especially two years into a rebuild.

I would be ok with a 7-10th place finish in year 2. As long as we keep a few cornerstone players that we can build around, that's the top priority for me. Now by years 3 and 4 if things don't start really improving I'll start to have serious doubts. Either way, I'll be getting season tickets every year.

Yep Stevey, I am with you even though I live further away and not able to be a season ticket holder.

[NYGFan_Section208]

New era of free agency. New team every year, that's just the way it is. Less and less about "keeping cornerstone players." If you have a cornerstoner you want to keep, someone better will likely hire him away.

Now, it's more about "are you good this year? Yes or no?". And, if you really suck one year, you need to not just suck less the next but be pretty good...'cause the landscape doesn't look to be accommodating incremental improvement. Jmho

[McRam]

New era of free agency. New team every year, that's just the way it is. Less and less about "keeping cornerstone players." If you have a cornerstoner you want to keep, someone better will likely hire him away.

Now, it's more about "are you good this year? Yes or no?". And, if you really suck one year, you need to not just suck less the next but be pretty good...'cause the landscape doesn't look to be accommodating incremental improvement. Jmho

Cornerstone players are lured away Sometimes!! Certainly not always. Fordham, Holmes , Bishop are good examples of players that could have transferred but did not.

The issue is why do some cornerstones leave and some stay. ?When u get ahead of this issue, the program will be successful!

[Jersey77]

New era of free agency. New team every year, that's just the way it is. Less and less about "keeping cornerstone players." If you have a cornerstoner you want to keep, someone better will likely hire him away.

Now, it's more about "are you good this year? Yes or no?". And, if you really suck one year, you need to not just suck less the next but be pretty good...'cause the landscape doesn't look to be accommodating incremental improvement. Jmho

Duquesne, St. Joe's, Loyola, Fordham, and the Bonnies all expected to finish in the top half of the conference primarily because of the roster they are retaining from last season.

Yes it is obviously more difficult to do that now than before, but that is something the better coaches need to figure out.

[Jersey77]

2nd pick-up in the last 24 hours for GM and this one is big.
All-Southern conference F/C Jalen Haynes (6'8"/255) averaged 14.6 pts/6.4 rebs.
He would need a waiver for immediate play, originally transferred from Virginia Tech.

Earlier they added (G) Tre' Wood from LIU.

[reef]

https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/05/08/ ... 24-season/

Now revisiting this prediction, I agree with their top 7 teams but not in that order:
No way do I see Fordham as #1 but still in the upper half.
At this point the Bonnies may be the top choice followed by their other picks which include (but in no particular order): Duquesne, St. Joe's, Loyola, Fordham, VCU, and Dayton.

UMass at #8 isn't a stretch with guards Diggins, Keon Thompson, and Curry plus top forward Cross, NEC-POY Josh Cohen (22 pts/ 8 rebs), returning big Leveque, and South Carolina transfer (PF) Sanford.

Richmond also shouldn't be terrible with returning bigs; 7-footer Quinn and forward Bigelow.
They also added All-NEC guard DeLonnie Hunt and All-Southern conference guard Jordan King.
Plus they return 3pt specialist CG Roche.

SLU returns their top scorer Jimmerson and GWU their top player Bishop (21.6 pts/5.2 assists).

Even with our latest additions, I still don't see us being in the top half of the conference.
Our team is still somewhat of a mystery, but I am expecting much improvement over last season.

We can be something like 16-15 overall and 8-10 Conf for a 9th place finish that’s a 7 game improvement

[NYGFan_Section208]

https://bustingbrackets.com/2023/05/08/ ... 24-season/

Now revisiting this prediction, I agree with their top 7 teams but not in that order:
No way do I see Fordham as #1 but still in the upper half.
At this point the Bonnies may be the top choice followed by their other picks which include (but in no particular order): Duquesne, St. Joe's, Loyola, Fordham, VCU, and Dayton.

UMass at #8 isn't a stretch with guards Diggins, Keon Thompson, and Curry plus top forward Cross, NEC-POY Josh Cohen (22 pts/ 8 rebs), returning big Leveque, and South Carolina transfer (PF) Sanford.

Richmond also shouldn't be terrible with returning bigs; 7-footer Quinn and forward Bigelow.
They also added All-NEC guard DeLonnie Hunt and All-Southern conference guard Jordan King.
Plus they return 3pt specialist CG Roche.

SLU returns their top scorer Jimmerson and GWU their top player Bishop (21.6 pts/5.2 assists).

Even with our latest additions, I still don't see us being in the top half of the conference.
Our team is still somewhat of a mystery, but I am expecting much improvement over last season.

We can be something like 16-15 overall and 8-10 Conf for a 9th place finish that’s a 7 game improvement

It would mean sub-.500 in a one (maybe two) bid league, or, as the kids would say, "still sucking"

[Jersey77]

Now revisiting this prediction, I agree with their top 7 teams but not in that order:
No way do I see Fordham as #1 but still in the upper half.
At this point the Bonnies may be the top choice followed by their other picks which include (but in no particular order): Duquesne, St. Joe's, Loyola, Fordham, VCU, and Dayton.

UMass at #8 isn't a stretch with guards Diggins, Keon Thompson, and Curry plus top forward Cross, NEC-POY Josh Cohen (22 pts/ 8 rebs), returning big Leveque, and South Carolina transfer (PF) Sanford.

Richmond also shouldn't be terrible with returning bigs; 7-footer Quinn and forward Bigelow.
They also added All-NEC guard DeLonnie Hunt and All-Southern conference guard Jordan King.
Plus they return 3pt specialist CG Roche.

SLU returns their top scorer Jimmerson and GWU their top player Bishop (21.6 pts/5.2 assists).

Even with our latest additions, I still don't see us being in the top half of the conference.
Our team is still somewhat of a mystery, but I am expecting much improvement over last season.

We can be something like 16-15 overall and 8-10 Conf for a 9th place finish that’s a 7 game improvement

It would mean sub-.500 in a one (maybe two) bid league, or, as the kids would say, "still sucking"

Yeah NYG, we probably won't be as good as you hope this season, but my expectations for 23-24 aren't as high as yours.

Like Stevey said if we show signs of improvement and retain some cornerstone pieces for the following year, I will be okay with that for now.

I just don't want us stink (without any positive signs) and then have to overhaul the entire roster again.

[steveystuds06]

New era of free agency. New team every year, that's just the way it is. Less and less about "keeping cornerstone players." If you have a cornerstoner you want to keep, someone better will likely hire him away.

Now, it's more about "are you good this year? Yes or no?". And, if you really suck one year, you need to not just suck less the next but be pretty good...'cause the landscape doesn't look to be accommodating incremental improvement. Jmho

I disagree. By retaining key pieces, we ensure stability and continuity within our team, which is crucial for sustained success. While every season may bring some changes and new faces, relying solely on a completely new roster from top to bottom each year will hurt our chances of staying at the top of the A10 like we want. We see other A10 teams bring back talent. Why can't we?

[NYGFan_Section208]

New era of free agency. New team every year, that's just the way it is. Less and less about "keeping cornerstone players." If you have a cornerstoner you want to keep, someone better will likely hire him away.

Now, it's more about "are you good this year? Yes or no?". And, if you really suck one year, you need to not just suck less the next but be pretty good...'cause the landscape doesn't look to be accommodating incremental improvement. Jmho

I disagree. By retaining key pieces, we ensure stability and continuity within our team, which is crucial for sustained success. While every season may bring some changes and new faces, relying solely on a completely new roster from top to bottom each year will hurt our chances of staying at the top of the A10 like we want. We see other A10 teams bring back talent. Why can't we?

When you have talent you want to bring back...I guess you can talk/worry about that. But, when you suck, you don't? It's not a massive high bar, but, if you want to talk about retaining pieces that would make you better the year after you sucked...I'm wondering, how many players will Rhody have that are better than Carey would have been?

[bigappleram]

New era of free agency. New team every year, that's just the way it is. Less and less about "keeping cornerstone players." If you have a cornerstoner you want to keep, someone better will likely hire him away.

Now, it's more about "are you good this year? Yes or no?". And, if you really suck one year, you need to not just suck less the next but be pretty good...'cause the landscape doesn't look to be accommodating incremental improvement. Jmho

I disagree. By retaining key pieces, we ensure stability and continuity within our team, which is crucial for sustained success. While every season may bring some changes and new faces, relying solely on a completely new roster from top to bottom each year will hurt our chances of staying at the top of the A10 like we want. We see other A10 teams bring back talent. Why can't we?

When you have talent you want to bring back...I guess you can talk/worry about that. But, when you suck, you don't? It's not a massive high bar, but, if you want to talk about retaining pieces that would make you better the year after you sucked...I'm wondering, how many players will Rhody have that are better than Carey would have been?

Pretty sure Archie thinks his entire starting 5 are better than Carey. Or, like ya know, Carey would be back for another year.

You thought Archie would have us back in a tourney in a year. Your expectations are out of whack. There is a scenario where a 7-8 win improvement is a positive season - it depends how that is achieved. No mid major school is winning by reinventing their entire roster every season. That won’t be how Archie gets it done - when he gets it done.

[ramster]

The A10 now being a 1 Bid Conference its anybody's guess who grabs the AQ.
Back on May 23 Lunardi has Duquesne as the AQ for 2024 NCAA Tournament and assigned 11-seed


https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2023/05 ... cketology/

[Blue Man]

I swear. When this team turns it around and has a great year I’ll be more insufferable than I was when I was right about Hurley getting over the hump.

[RhodyKyle]

I swear. When this team turns it around and has a great year I’ll be more insufferable than I was when I was right about Hurley getting over the hump.

You son of a bitch, I'm in!

I'm claiming a spot on this train right now.

[SGreenwell]

The A10 now being a 1 Bid Conference its anybody's guess who grabs the AQ.
Back on May 23 Lunardi has Duquesne as the AQ for 2024 NCAA Tournament and assigned 11-seed


https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2023/05 ... cketology/

Lunardi doing brackets in May is peak "thirsty for clicks." Maybe he doesn't get vacation time, though.

[reef]

I swear. When this team turns it around and has a great year I’ll be more insufferable than I was when I was right about Hurley getting over the hump.

I’m on the wagon too !! Think it’s 24-25 though !!

[jcru]

From that twitter link above:

NCAA Basketball Conference Standings

Look at Vermont and America East: 1 in 9 chance of making the NCAAT

Look at Harvard and the Ivy League: 1 in 8 chance of making the NCAAT

Look at Colgate and the Patriot League: 1 in 10 chance of making the NCAAT

Look at Merrimack and the Northeast Conference: 1 in 9 chance of making the NCAAT

Howard and the Mid East Athletic Conference: 1 in 8 chance of making the NCAAT

And we all know, in some of these cases, like Vermont and Harvard, you can divide those numbers by 2.

Vermont and Harvard really have a 1 in 4 chance of making the NCAAT or 25% before the season begins.


Now look at URI and the A-10: 1 in 17 chance of making the NCAAT

who thought adding teams was a good thing? should be fired.

[RIFan]

Many around here thought the league should have culled teams not add them. That math is awful unless you get back to 3+ bids.