2023 Coaching Carousel

[Blue Man]

Would you rather have Dave Cox who was on no ones list?

This is part of the deal when you hire a good high profile coach.

If you remember we did the same dance with Dan every year - Rutgers, St John’s, etc.

[RI_Bred]

Would you rather have Dave Cox who was on no ones list?

This is part of the deal when you hire a good high profile coach.

If you remember we did the same dance with Dan every year - Rutgers, St John’s, etc.

So, do you think Archie would bite? Or is he committed here, for now...?

[CaptainRon]

Never say never. If someone wiggles 3 or more million under his nose… but I don’t think it’s likely. The recent crappy season turns into a plus.

[adam914]

Leaving after one year would be kind of hilarious (like in a sad, everything sucks kinda way). It would take some heat off his buddy Cooley for a few days at least...

[STC]

I still believe CBB is going to a GM type setup. The players are brought in by executives, and the coach deals with them. If the coach can't they get fired.

LSU Football moved Brian Polian into a GM type role to oversee the portal. I think this is a position we will see pop up more in CFB and then make its way to CBB.

https://www.si.com/college/lsu/.amp/foo ... field-role

[Blue Man]

Would you rather have Dave Cox who was on no ones list?

This is part of the deal when you hire a good high profile coach.

If you remember we did the same dance with Dan every year - Rutgers, St John’s, etc.

So, do you think Archie would bite? Or is he committed here, for now...?

Lol no.

[section(105)]

Cooley built his own brand, “used” PC along the way that those brands were melded together to a point of brand success, couple that with the weight of the BE brand and bingo! I can’t fault Cooley for anything, he had an opportunity to reward himself. I have no beef with any of it, even the scummy and slimy way it all took place. Out

[reef]

I’m watching the Cooley presser right now YouTube 38 minute listen

[steviep123]

I’m watching the Cooley presser right now YouTube 38 minute listen

Link? According to PC fans on twitter, it's essentially a copy/paste of his intro presser at PC 12 years ago.

[reef]

I’m watching the Cooley presser right now YouTube 38 minute listen

Link? According to PC fans on twitter, it's essentially a copy/paste of his intro presser at PC 12 years ago.

Just go to you tube and in the search area put in Ed cooley Georgetown press conference and it will show up

[giovanni]

[McRam]

Is it possible Penn State would bring back Keith Urgo and leave Fordham high and dry- again. Wasn’t Urgo an assistant there for so,etching like 8 years?

[PeterRamTime]

Leaving after one year would be kind of hilarious (like in a sad, everything sucks kinda way). It would take some heat off his buddy Cooley for a few days at least...

I dont think it would draw as much ire

Just usher in a hopeless reality as our program would then be thrust into a college basketball black hole

[Ramfan22]

Is it possible Penn State would bring back Keith Urgo and leave Fordham high and dry- again. Wasn’t Urgo an assistant there for so,etching like 8 years?

They should. I’d imagine he’d be one of their top candidates for the job.

[SmartyBarrett]

Is it possible Penn State would bring back Keith Urgo and leave Fordham high and dry- again. Wasn’t Urgo an assistant there for so,etching like 8 years?

Yeah he prob gets a phone call at the very least.

[reef]

Is it possible Penn State would bring back Keith Urgo and leave Fordham high and dry- again. Wasn’t Urgo an assistant there for so,etching like 8 years?

They should. I’d imagine he’d be one of their top candidates for the job.

Makes a lot of sense I didn’t realize Urgo was an assistant there

[NYGFan_Section208]

Ball has a GM logo.

Now that is hysterical.

and perfect underwhelmingness

[The Dude]

Landscaping could use a little work. The arborvitaes in front look like the deer have made lollipops out of them and the back yard is nearly entirely concrete pavers. If Archie gets the house, he should give me a call. I'll get that thing looking like an oasis .

[Jdrums#3]

If Archie ever left after 1 season, I’d be all done with with coaches. F’em all.

Go hire a freakin’ tech nerd and go full AI for selecting players, selecting best lineup’s, scouting, game plans, in game decisions, etc. and tell all the coaches to go pound sand and put their salaries towards NIL.

Is Elon Musk a cbb fan? Could be another revenue stream for him.

Just kidding.

[PCFriars]

Rhoades is the right choice for Penn St

[CaptainRon]

Landscaping could use a little work. The arborvitaes in front look like the deer have made lollipops out of them and the back yard is nearly entirely concrete pavers. If Archie gets the house, he should give me a call. I'll get that thing looking like an oasis .

Deer have done a job on my ornamentals this year.

[hrstrat57]

If Archie ever left after 1 season, I’d be all done with with coaches. F’em all.

Go hire a freakin’ tech nerd and go full AI for selecting players, selecting best lineup’s, scouting, game plans, in game decisions, etc. and tell all the coaches to go pound sand and put their salaries towards NIL.

Is Elon Musk a cbb fan? Could be another revenue stream for him.

Just kidding.

Interesting take. MLB has been going down this path a bit.

[steviep123]

Apologies if this was already posted:

[ElmCityRhody]

Landscaping could use a little work. The arborvitaes in front look like the deer have made lollipops out of them and the back yard is nearly entirely concrete pavers. If Archie gets the house, he should give me a call. I'll get that thing looking like an oasis .

And the house can use a lot of work

[SmartyBarrett]

More details on the deal here. Seems like they didn't want to announce on the same day as the Cooley presser.

[RF1]

Despite what Friar fans have recently thought, the last few days have shown that Providence College is indeed still a stepping stone coaching job. Furthermore, it is not a super attractive position that will automatically generate big interest from already successful coaches. While the program has some positive attributes, it cannot just literally hire anybody it wants.

[RIFan]

GTown hiring Cooley opens many wounds at PC as they desperately want to be seen as equals to schools like BC, Villanova and G-town. This just reminds them they are not.

[steviep123]

Despite what Friar fans have recently thought, the last few days have shown that Providence College is indeed a stepping stone coaching job. Furthermore, it is not a super attractive position that will automatically generate big interest from already successful coaches. While the program has some positive attributes, it cannot just hire anybody it wants.

Honestly, almost all schools except the Bluest of the Blues are stepping stones to a certain extent. Years ago, Tubby Smith left Georgia for Kentucky. Roy Williams left Kansas for UNC (which was rare and had a personal connection there).

That said, while I do agree that most schools are a stepping stone, there are some that will take a special confluence of events to make that sort of change happening.

All that said, in addition, when has Providence ever hired anyone that wasn't considered up and coming? Maybe they didn't get the interest they wanted or maybe it's by design. Look at their history. With the exception of Gordie Chiesa who was an assistant on Pitino's staff, they've hard a head coach that was considered up and coming: Pitino, Gillan, Welsh, Davis, Cooley, now English.

[RF1]

Penn State student newspaper on 7 possible replacements:

Matt Langel
Keith Urgo (Fordham)
Dusty May
Mike Rhoades (VCU)
Adam Fisher (PSU asst)
Norm Roberts
Jay Wright



7 potential coaches who could take over for Micah Shrewsberry and lead Penn State basketball
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/me ... 1c8a0.html

[giovanni]

Jay Wright. Lol

[Rhody15]

Jay Wright. Lol

He's gonna get brought up for the majority of P6 jobs when they open up.

[Jdrums#3]

Landscaping could use a little work. The arborvitaes in front look like the deer have made lollipops out of them and the back yard is nearly entirely concrete pavers. If Archie gets the house, he should give me a call. I'll get that thing looking like an oasis .

And the house can use a lot of work

Red, if I knew Archie personally, I’d warn him to stay away from that house; could be bad juju.

[steviep123]

Jay Wright. Lol

He's gonna get brought up for the majority of P6 jobs when they open up.

I can't see him being back in coaching in the next year or so. Maybe he gets the itch again and misses it, but I think he's great on TV for the moment!

[reef]

Jay Wright. Lol

He's gonna get brought up for the majority of P6 jobs when they open up.

I can't see him being back in coaching in the next year or so. Maybe he gets the itch again and misses it, but I think he's great on TV for the moment!

Agree Stevie , he’s really good on TV

[steveystuds06]

Schools aren’t going to hold this season against him.

I say that not because of this season, but we just hired this guy, who has barely wet his beak and is already on other lists?? How do we start a culture with this happening every season?

It’s irrelevant how long he’s been here.

Ehh, Idk about that. I think it does matter. If Archie were here for 4-5 years and had success, I would be more worried than I am now. Archie made it clear his decision to come to Rhody wasn't just about basketball. The pressure of Big10 caused a lot of stress on him and his family. Obviously Penn State is not Indiana, but putting him back into a conference that was a nightmare for him doesn't seem like the right move.. Not this fast... I would be shocked if he seriously considered this. He committed to Thorr and our program, and I don't think he's the type of person that would bail after one year.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[SGreenwell]

GTown hiring Cooley opens many wounds at PC as they desperately want to be seen as equals to schools like BC, Villanova and G-town. This just reminds them they are not.

I mean, BC has been awful for about a decade now. I think PC is clearly a better job than that, even if BC is in the ACC.

[RF1]

Landscaping could use a little work. The arborvitaes in front look like the deer have made lollipops out of them and the back yard is nearly entirely concrete pavers. If Archie gets the house, he should give me a call. I'll get that thing looking like an oasis .

And the house can use a lot of work

Red, if I knew Archie personally, I’d warn him to stay away from that house; could be bad juju.

Does the home disclosure include mention of the previous bathroom fire? Was a fire sprinkler system later installed for safety to guard against the dangers of lighting candles for religious ceremonies?

[reef]

GTown hiring Cooley opens many wounds at PC as they desperately want to be seen as equals to schools like BC, Villanova and G-town. This just reminds them they are not.

I mean, BC has been awful for about a decade now. I think PC is clearly a better job than that, even if BC is in the ACC.

Agree with SG , why you you put B.C. with Nova and Gtown ??

[PeterRamTime]

Rhoades is the right choice for Penn St

Would be a totally idiotic move for him.

Penn State is about as shitty a P5 gig out there.

Hot take

VCU is clearly a better job than Penn State

Dayton is a better job than Penn State

Even Rhody, if it is rolling, is a better job than Penn State.

All they have going for them is that they're in the Big Ten and money.

Otherwise it's just another stepping stone job.

Mike Rhoades being great at VCU will give him the exact same big time offers he'd get going .500 at best in Big Ten play at Penn State.

So his choice is either, stay in the A-10, continue win a lot of games with much of your team returning next year. And they care a lot about basketball.

Or rebuild Penn State and maybe reach .500 again against ten schools superior to you and three others that you are equal to. And they don't give two shits about basketball at Penn State.

[Iggy1979]

Gotta say: Archie hasn't had a winning conference record in 5 years. Not exactly a hot resume.

[RIFan]

GTown hiring Cooley opens many wounds at PC as they desperately want to be seen as equals to schools like BC, Villanova and G-town. This just reminds them they are not.

I mean, BC has been awful for about a decade now. I think PC is clearly a better job than that, even if BC is in the ACC.

I’m not talking just basketball…overall institution.

[giovanni]

Kim English may turn out great. But I don't get being all in on Rick Barnes word. Not that a coaching tree is tell all, but for a guy that's won 800 games this is about as weak of a tree as you can have. And Herb Sendek, who had at least moderate success started with Rick Pitino

"Rick Barnes Coaching Tree

Kim English (George Mason)
Dennis Felton (Cleveland State, Georgia, Western Kentucky)
Fran Fraschilla (New Mexico, St. John’s, Manhattan)
Frank Haith (Tulsa, Missouri, Miami FL)
Rob Lanier (SMU, Georgia State, Siena)
Ken McDonald (Western Kentucky)
Chris Ogden (Texas-Arlington)
Desmond Oliver (East Tennessee State)
Michael Schwartz (East Carolina)
Tres Segler (Eastern New Mexico)
Herb Sendek (Santa Clara, Arizona State, NC State, Miami OH)
Larry Shyatt (Wyoming, Clemson)
Ricky Stokes (East Carolina, Virginia Tech)"

[jcru]

This is a crucial moment for this team with all of this roster in flux. I think that is the only reason there is any worry at the moment. If this was a fairly stable situation like when Hurley left with just players graduating (not much you can do about that), then I doubt there would be a lot of worry, the worry would be in the University itself making another good choice.

[reef]

Kim English may turn out great. But I don't get being all in on Rick Barnes word. Not that a coaching tree is tell all, but for a guy that's won 800 games this is about as weak of a tree as you can have. And Herb Sendek, who had at least moderate success started with Rick Pitino

"Rick Barnes Coaching Tree

Kim English (George Mason)
Dennis Felton (Cleveland State, Georgia, Western Kentucky)
Fran Fraschilla (New Mexico, St. John’s, Manhattan)
Frank Haith (Tulsa, Missouri, Miami FL)
Rob Lanier (SMU, Georgia State, Siena)
Ken McDonald (Western Kentucky)
Chris Ogden (Texas-Arlington)
Desmond Oliver (East Tennessee State)
Michael Schwartz (East Carolina)
Tres Segler (Eastern New Mexico)
Herb Sendek (Santa Clara, Arizona State, NC State, Miami OH)
Larry Shyatt (Wyoming, Clemson)
Ricky Stokes (East Carolina, Virginia Tech)"

Wow Gio that’s a pretty weak tree indeed

[section(105)]

URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……

[McRam]

Is it possible Penn State would bring back Keith Urgo and leave Fordham high and dry- again. Wasn’t Urgo an assistant there for so,etching like 8 years?

They should. I’d imagine he’d be one of their top candidates for the job.

Makes a lot of sense I didn’t realize Urgo was an assistant there

Yes and he brought some players with him to Fordham

[PeterRamTime]

URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……

Not right now

But

Peak Rhody is about the same as peak Penn State

Only at Rhody you don't have to be at a school where basketball is second and you can basically do no better than .500 in Big Ten play and maybe win a game in the tournament.

Dan was great at URI then left for UConn

Shrewsberry got Penn State good and immediately left for Notre Dame.

It's basically the same thing and I would argue Rhody is better because we are a basketball school and it's more fun to dominate a conference than be an average team in the conference.

[theblueram]

URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……

Since 1965, URI has been to 9 NCAAT against 6 for PSU. Record in tournament, URI is 8-9, PSU is 4-6. PSU has 1 Sweet 16, URI had a Sweet 16 and Elite 8.

[jcru]

When URI mbb is down, it's still a bb school first.

Penn State is such a Football (and Wrestling) school that when the bb team is down, it's little more than an annoyance to them. Something they have to field for the sake of their conference alignment. There are soo many other bb schools in the state of Pennsylvania to choose from for in state recruits, not to mention the rest of the East Coast recruiting them.

[PeterRamTime]

URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……

Yep!

On the surface you see

Penn State and Big Ten

But then you look deeper and there's nothing all that attractive about it.

Why go to Penn State where football is king and you haven't been relevant in basketball since the 1950's? Go to a conference where there are 10 teams that have vastly superior programs and three that you are at best equal to on the basketball court. It's an incredibly difficult job and anyone who has success there (which is almost nobody ever) immediately leaves for the same kind of job you would get if you were successful at Rhody.

At Rhody, basketball is king, you can win your conference consistently and actually win far more games. Penn State has hardly ever even passed .500 in conference play.

Penn State is a very meh job.