A10 Outlook for 2022-23

[steveystuds06]

Interesting

Ouch. He's a great player

[reef]

Interesting

Ouch. He's a great player

Sounds like last year was their final go round doubt anyone of the 5 return

[Jdrums#3]

Seems as though the A10 schools, as well as other high mid-majors, are right in the sweet spot for players to move up or down in conference. For this year, anyway.

I suspect it won’t be as bad next year due to the upgrade in coaches. I hope it works out that way.

[Rhody15]

Seems as though the A10 schools, as well as other high mid-majors, are right in the sweet spot for players to move up or down in conference. For this year, anyway.

I suspect it won’t be as bad next year due to the upgrade in coaches. I hope it works out that way.

When the free Covid year is finally done being used, my guess is the transfer number will go down then as well.

[Dino611]

There’s gonna be a long line for him

[Jersey77]

Well the iron 5 are probably all gone.

[sevegny7]

Bonnie's add darryl banks from st Peter's


Losing Osun Osunniyi..kyle lofton...Jaren holmes...and Dominick welch to transfer....and jalen adaway to starting a pro career. End of an era and Bonnie's could be down next few years.

[reef]

Yes I thought that would happen they gave one last go round and it @ least got them to the NIT final time for them to do the next chapter

[Rhody83]

[theblueram]

Hah! He also said he is going to buy Coca-Cola and put the cocaine back in.

[adam914]

It's incredible how gullible people are.

[RhodyKyle]

It's incredible how gullible people are.

It's incredibly funny, you mean?

[Jersey77]

Seems like Osun and Lofton want to be a packaged deal.
Preferably a high major, not sure they can make that happen.

[adam914]

We got room for both!!

[phipsiGD'11]

who in their right mind calls it a natatorium? I had to look up the definition just to make sure that it was what I thought it was.

[phipsiGD'11]

get ready for a couple kids to get bumped from a P5 school to make room for Lofton and Osunniyi.

All of a sudden, kids that were 8th and 9th on the bench who were good enough to stay put will be not so gently pushed out. This is when things start to get ugly. Literally days before the portal deadline. And I'm not sure I can blame a P5 coach, I think I blame Lofton and Osunniyi for waiting so long to make this decision with their "wish list". I am still trying to figure out how I feel about New College Basketball.

[NYGFan_Section208]

get ready for a couple kids to get bumped from a P5 school to make room for Lofton and Osunniyi.

All of a sudden, kids that were 8th and 9th on the bench who were good enough to stay put will be not so gently pushed out. This is when things start to get ugly. Literally days before the portal deadline. And I'm not sure I can blame a P5 coach, I think I blame Lofton and Osunniyi for waiting so long to make this decision with their "wish list". I am still trying to figure out how I feel about New College Basketball.

Um.... where it gets "ugly" is probably right at the intersection of "where it gets good for URI"

[ramster]

Extremely surprising.
Huge loss to the Bonnies in the portal.
Holmes averaged 13.5 pts/ 3.6 assts/ 5 rebs
God size at 6'4", will be an immediate impact player on most teams.

Holmes is Going to Iowa State

[Jersey77]

Extremely surprising.
Huge loss to the Bonnies in the portal.
Holmes averaged 13.5 pts/ 3.6 assts/ 5 rebs
God size at 6'4", will be an immediate impact player on most teams.

Holmes is Going to Iowa State

They will probably also add AJ Green who is in the portal and currently in the draft.
He may be the top guard left in the transfer portal.
His father Kyle is an assistant coach at Iowa State.

Iowa State is poaching the A10.
They also got Ward from VCU.

[steviep123]

Extremely surprising.
Huge loss to the Bonnies in the portal.
Holmes averaged 13.5 pts/ 3.6 assts/ 5 rebs
God size at 6'4", will be an immediate impact player on most teams.

Holmes is Going to Iowa State

They will probably also add AJ Green who is in the portal and currently in the draft.
He may be the top guard left in the transfer portal.
His father Kyle is an assistant coach at Iowa State.

Iowa State is poaching the A10.
They also got Ward from VCU.

Can’t beat ‘em join em

[reef]

Extremely surprising.
Huge loss to the Bonnies in the portal.
Holmes averaged 13.5 pts/ 3.6 assts/ 5 rebs
God size at 6'4", will be an immediate impact player on most teams.

Holmes is Going to Iowa State

I can see all these Bonnie’s transfers going P6

[sevegny7]

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php ... th-member/

[Billyboy78]

[Jersey77]

As long as that 16th member would be beneficial.

Now the discussion/debate would be if we do expand which program would make the most sense.
I would have liked Belmont or Murray State, but they are headed to the MVC.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Georgetown?

[Jersey77]

Georgetown?

Not

[Rhode_Island_Red]

We'd still be better off if we could lose a couple first

[RamStock]

We'd still be better off if we could lose a couple first

Agreed. Why would we want to add more teams to the A-10? It is already a watered down league. I know it won't happen, but would love to get rid of Duquense, Fordham and LaSalle.

[Dino611]

We'd still be better off if we could lose a couple first

Agreed. Why would we want to add more teams to the A-10? It is already a watered down league. I know it won't happen, but would love to get rid of Duquense, Fordham and LaSalle.

Get rid of La Salle & Duquesne , we have to keep GW & Fordham for their markets

[reef]

Who would be good fits for the 16 th team ??

[RhodyKyle]

We'd still be better off if we could lose a couple first

Agreed. Why would we want to add more teams to the A-10? It is already a watered down league. I know it won't happen, but would love to get rid of Duquense, Fordham and LaSalle.

Get rid of La Salle & Duquesne , we have to keep GW & Fordham for their markets

I think the markets argument doesn't apply in 2022 now that college basketball is nationally covered. Besides, who in NYC covers Fordham? Who in NYC even follows Fordham? If anyone in NYC, other than alums, follows college basketball, they very likely root for St. John's. Fordham can leave too.

[ramster]

Jeff Borzello summary for all P6 teams plus 20 additional teams including 5 A10 teams:
Davidson
Dayton
Loyola Chicago
St Louis
VCU

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... rs-2022-23

[SGreenwell]

I think if the "better" schools in the A10 could knock a couple of the lesser ones out, they would. That it hasn't happened in 20+ years suggests to me that it's very hard or impossible to do with the bylaws. So, might as well add one to get to 16 - which is probably easier for a slew of scheduling and logistical issues.

[Rhody74]

I think if the "better" schools in the A10 could knock a couple of the lesser ones out, they would. That it hasn't happened in 20+ years suggests to me that it's very hard or impossible to do with the bylaws. So, might as well add one to get to 16 - which is probably easier for a slew of scheduling and logistical issues.

And if the 16th school is a strong program it will further dilute the impact of the weaker schools.

[Rhodymob05]

Wouldn't this mean more conference games? The article already mentioned how extended in conference play has made it more difficult to build resumes. Needs to be a really solid program with history.

[Jersey77]

Wouldn't this mean more conference games? The article already mentioned how extended in conference play has made it more difficult to build resumes. Needs to be a really solid program with history.

It is also becoming more difficult to add favorable OOC games against P6 schools.

[NHRamFan]

Speculation: with so many leagues expanding in numbers and regular season games, and the ever-increasing difficulty in scheduling good non-conference games outside of neutral site tournaments, a move to 16 teams would allow for 22 regular season games. Two 8 team divisions. H and H within your division, and single games against each team in the other division. Thoughts?

[RhowdyRam02]

We'd still be better off if we could lose a couple first

Agreed. Why would we want to add more teams to the A-10? It is already a watered down league. I know it won't happen, but would love to get rid of Duquense, Fordham and LaSalle.

Get rid of La Salle & Duquesne , we have to keep GW & Fordham for their markets

Fordham garners a lot of NY attention eh? How come their bleachers are empty?

[bigappleram]

Speculation: with so many leagues expanding in numbers and regular season games, and the ever-increasing difficulty in scheduling good non-conference games outside of neutral site tournaments, a move to 16 teams would allow for 22 regular season games. Two 8 team divisions. H and H within your division, and single games against each team in the other division. Thoughts?

Ideally a league like the A10 would have more fluid conference scheduling. Pairing up the top 8 "predicted" teams in round robin to increase odds for tourney bids. Having locked "divisions" leaves too much for chance and if it was regionally based would leave Rhody in a league with all the Philly schools, Umass, Fordham and Duquesne possibly. No thank you.

[Blue Man]

The "media market" argument is useless in 2022. Everyone is everywhere, streaming is everywhere, 24/7 content is everywhere.

You can throw a neutral site game anywhere you want.

That said, the league has to set up some "TBA" scheduling where the teams good teams play each other later in the year.

Maybe if we go to a 16 team league we take the bottom 8 programs mid-way through the conference schedule, and isolate them for the last 8 games a piece, and ensure they play H/H against each other. Even if they already played each other.

The reality is if you're in the bottom half of the A10, you are not in the bubble conversation. That way the top 8 can play their equals in the conference, and a loss won't kill any at-large chances.

[Blue Man]

Speculation: with so many leagues expanding in numbers and regular season games, and the ever-increasing difficulty in scheduling good non-conference games outside of neutral site tournaments, a move to 16 teams would allow for 22 regular season games. Two 8 team divisions. H and H within your division, and single games against each team in the other division. Thoughts?

Ideally a league like the A10 would have more fluid conference scheduling. Pairing up the top 8 "predicted" teams in round robin to increase odds for tourney bids. Having locked "divisions" leaves too much for chance and if it was regionally based would leave Rhody in a league with all the Philly schools, Umass, Fordham and Duquesne possibly. No thank you.

Great minds think alike and post the same things at the same time.

[Rhodymob05]

I wouldn't say the media market is completely useless. How many times does this forum complain about not wanting to pay for yet another app or it doesn't work or the game isn't available. Local media still matters and still plays a role.

[Blue Man]

I wouldn't say the media market is completely useless. How many times does this forum complain about not wanting to pay for yet another app or it doesn't work or the game isn't available. Local media still matters and still plays a role.

How many nationally televised games did Fordham have last year? 5. 4 on NBCSN, 1 on CBSSN.

Talk about being thrown a bone.

Powerhouse Duquesne in the mighty Pittsburgh market had 5 as well. 2 on ESPN2.
Superpower George Mason in the huge DC market had 5 games.
Perennial championship contender La Salle in the Philly market had 4 games.

That crappy Dayton school in the Dayton, OH market had 11 games on national TV.
Somehow, people found out Kingston, RI existed and URI had 11 games on national TV.
Olean, NY is a place that apparently exists and St Bonaventure had 13 games on national TV.

The rest of the schedule meters out the same way.

Good teams/good brands (we are still in the latter) will get national publicity and airtime. No matter their media market.
Bad teams/bad brands will get shit no matter what market they play in.

This isn't 1995, or 2005, or even 2015. The A10 alone used 5 different national cable channels to get games broadcast.

That doesn't include the dozens of other national channels we don't have agreements with that broadcast games. There are plenty of ways to be nationally relevant - the easiest is to just be a good program that is invested in by the school and supported by the alums. None of those ways require "being in NY" or any other media market.

[Section104]

Give me Belmont! (I live in Nashville)

Wichita State
Temple
Delaware

[Rhode_Island_Red]

Give me Belmont! (I live in Nashville)

Wichita State
Temple
Delaware

I'd love to get Temple back, but they and UConn have the same delusions of big-time football.

[Jdrums#3]

I think if the "better" schools in the A10 could knock a couple of the lesser ones out, they would. That it hasn't happened in 20+ years suggests to me that it's very hard or impossible to do with the bylaws. So, might as well add one to get to 16 - which is probably easier for a slew of scheduling and logistical issues.

And if the 16th school is a strong program it will further dilute the impact of the weaker schools.

I believe the two comments above make very good sense. If the A10 can’t contract, then it needs to expand by adding strong program(s) to dilute the impact of the weaker basketball programs.

In addition, to further dilute the impacts of the weaker programs, schedule similarly to what others have previously mentioned (by having the better teams, with tourney potential, play each other twice in the conf regular season).

Makes sense to me, anyway.

[Jdrums#3]

I think if the "better" schools in the A10 could knock a couple of the lesser ones out, they would. That it hasn't happened in 20+ years suggests to me that it's very hard or impossible to do with the bylaws. So, might as well add one to get to 16 - which is probably easier for a slew of scheduling and logistical issues.

And if the 16th school is a strong program it will further dilute the impact of the weaker schools.

I believe the two comments above make very good sense. If the A10 can’t contract, then it needs to expand by adding strong program(s) to dilute the impact of the weaker basketball programs.

In addition, to further dilute the impacts of the weaker programs, schedule similarly to what others have previously mentioned (by having the better teams, with tourney potential, play each other twice in the conf regular season).

Makes sense to me, anyway.

As an extension to my thought process above, I believe the expansion and schedule changes will apply pressure on the programs that won’t or can’t increase their commitment to their bb program. Eventually (hopefully), said pressure forces those schools into a decision to increase their commitment to compete or leave the conference due to becoming an irrelevant program by having the tourney money and media money shares diluted. However, there is no guarantee one or more would leave.

[Rhody72]

Has any member ever left the A10 to play in a less competitive conference?
On average over the last 20 years where does URI rank in the A10? Middle third?
Has the A10 seriously considered dropping members?
Has the A10 ever established more rigid standards for remaining a member?

I ask these questions because I don't believe that MOST member schools want changes. From time to time, a member will find a better opportunity and leave. So. if you are unhappy with the A10, make URI an appealing addition for a better conference.

[steviep123]

Has any member ever left the A10 to play in a less competitive conference?
On average over the last 20 years where does URI rank in the A10? Middle third?
Has the A10 seriously considered dropping members?
Has the A10 ever established more rigid standards for remaining a member?

I ask these questions because I don't believe that MOST member schools want changes. From time to time, a member will find a better opportunity and leave. So. if you are unhappy with the A10, make URI an appealing addition for a better conference.

Who are you and what did you do with R72's login? You are making a valid point for once.

Yes, URI should put themselves in a position for if and when a stronger conference calls....at the same time, the A10 should put themselves and their schools in a stronger position so that no one wants to leave if someone else comes calling.

To answer your first question, I don't think anyone left for a weaker conference. There was talk of LaSalle moving to the Patriot league a few years ago, but nothing came of it.

[Rhody72]

Who are you and what did you do with R72's login? You are making a valid point for once.

The drop outs took away R72's login privileges for challenging conventional wisdom and she is just trolling them to get it back.