Covid-19 Effect on College Basketball & Other Sports

[rhodyruckus]

The myocarditis issue itself is grasping at straws as it's really not a serious condition at all. There have been plenty of health professionals that have condemned the study the big ten used. A couple of them from the University of Michigan.

It's insanity.

Name them. I'm sure the Sox were fine to throw away Eduardo Rodriguez's last pre-arbitration year and pay him on his prorated $8 million + to sit on his ass even though this "not a serious condition at all".

Here's the main one. Dude doesn't even watch football so he has no bias.
https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/202 ... diologist/

Here's an educational video on youtube from a year ago on Myocarditis.

States that it is rare for it to cause severe heart issues.

This is also something that is fairly common and we have treatments for it. You're probably even less likely to have serious issues from this in this current climate because, if you have Covid they will be looking out to see if you develop this condition. So they'll treat it early.

Thanks for the info, there are some good points for the myocarditis issue generally. All I'd point out is the first doctor is calling out flaws in the group data being relied upon, but we just don't have enough information on whether this particular virus may present more than a small proportion of myocarditis cases as severe. All we have for information is the long-term myocarditis prognosis for those presenting due to viruses other than Covid-19, although we are starting to get enough time from the first outbreak to understand it better. Hopefully some well-controlled studies will be published in the next few months.

I'd argue the perception of "severe heart issues" can vary widely between me who is lazy as hell and rarely ramp up my heart rate, and a pro athlete who needs 100% heart capacity in order to earn their living. I can adapt to a little more exhaustion and still live my life almost to the fullest, not so for the latter.

The elephant in the room which is also guiding these decisions is the liability waiver which was talked about being in the next Congressional stimulus package (remember when this was about to be passed in July?), but fell by the wayside as Trump issued an executive order for funds sans liability protection. This probably pissed off both D's and R's, D's can't use this as a negotiating issue to get more funds and citizen protections while the R's lost their chance at protecting business owners. No matter the politics, not having an assurance of protection from liability claims is probably raising the standard of what the Big 10 and most other conferences have to see as far as long-term effects in order to continue the sports seasons.

[rhodylaw]

Name them. I'm sure the Sox were fine to throw away Eduardo Rodriguez's last pre-arbitration year and pay him on his prorated $8 million + to sit on his ass even though this "not a serious condition at all".

Here's the main one. Dude doesn't even watch football so he has no bias.
https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/202 ... diologist/

Here's an educational video on youtube from a year ago on Myocarditis.

States that it is rare for it to cause severe heart issues.

This is also something that is fairly common and we have treatments for it. You're probably even less likely to have serious issues from this in this current climate because, if you have Covid they will be looking out to see if you develop this condition. So they'll treat it early.

Thanks for the info, there are some good points for the myocarditis issue generally. All I'd point out is the first doctor is calling out flaws in the group data being relied upon, but we just don't have enough information on whether this particular virus may present more than a small proportion of myocarditis cases as severe. All we have for information is the long-term myocarditis prognosis for those presenting due to viruses other than Covid-19, although we are starting to get enough time from the first outbreak to understand it better. Hopefully some well-controlled studies will be published in the next few months.

I'd argue the perception of "severe heart issues" can vary widely between me who is lazy as hell and rarely ramp up my heart rate, and a pro athlete who needs 100% heart capacity in order to earn their living. I can adapt to a little more exhaustion and still live my life almost to the fullest, not so for the latter.

The elephant in the room which is also guiding these decisions is the liability waiver which was talked about being in the next Congressional stimulus package (remember when this was about to be passed in July?), but fell by the wayside as Trump issued an executive order for funds sans liability protection. This probably pissed off both D's and R's, D's can't use this as a negotiating issue to get more funds and citizen protections while the R's lost their chance at protecting business owners. No matter the politics, not having an assurance of protection from liability claims is probably raising the standard of what the Big 10 and most other conferences have to see as far as long-term effects in order to continue the sports seasons.

Bingo Ruckus - the reason we are still in a more shut-down mode is less fear of the virus, and more fear of the liability. Not saying life should be back to normal but a lot more things COULD safely return but won’t until the organizations that run them are no longer afraid of law suits.

[RF1]

Town of SK takes action:

Fines up to $500 to be issued to URI students attending off-campus parties
https://www.wpri.com/health/coronavirus ... s-parties/

[Rhodymob05]

Trying to envision myself in college during a time like this. I would still be partying, but would certainly be more cautious of infection/fines.

[phipsiGD'11]

And I'd be wearing running shoes to every party
Won't catch me.

[URIRecruitingInfo]

https://watchstadium.com/will-college-h ... 8-26-2020/

[Rhody74]

https://watchstadium.com/will-college-h ... 8-26-2020/

Abbott was given the go ahead for quick effective test that is highly accurate. If that become widely available by Nov 1 then I think we have a shot at a normal season.

[Rhody83]

[Rhodymob05]

[Rhody Guy]

https://watchstadium.com/will-college-h ... 8-26-2020/

Abbott was given the go ahead for quick effective test that is highly accurate. If that become widely available by Nov 1 then I think we have a shot at a normal season.

Insider information on this. The company I work for is contracted to manufacture these rapid tests. We are currently producing roughly 900k tests per week and are ramping up to to 2 million tests per week in January. I am also hearing rumors that the project may be expanding so that number could grow even more. Hopefully what I am doing will directly aid in the potential for a Rhody basketball season...

[rhodyruckus]

If Rothstein can predict the date of the college basketball startup 3-4 months out, get Fauci out of there and install him. It's laughable, 3-4 months time with this virus is an eternity. Who the F knows what November/December will look like. This year has been a tumultuous decade, I'm going to think it's 2030 when the New Year hits.

[Rhode_Island_Red]

Once upon a time, the season began after Thanksgiving.

[Rhodymob05]

Whats the reason for the delay? To have more safety prep time?

[Rhodyram]

Whats the reason for the delay? To have more safety prep time?

Many campuses will be empty after thanksgiving

[CamsRams]

[sevegny7]

[steviep123]

One of my oldest friends lives in CT and went to Marquette and we were really looking forward to meeting up at Mohegan for the game. Hope fans can go, but it's not looking likely.

[reef]

Big 10 football now talking about starting up perhaps around Thanksgiving Time ??

[rhodyruckus]

I like the spirit, but you want to bring teams to one of the few highly populated indoor spaces right now? I suppose the only positive is the hotel is a brief walk from the arena, they could almost have a temporary enclosed canopy for the players to go between each without co-mingling with civilians at all...

[rjsuperfly66]

I like the spirit, but you want to bring teams to one of the few highly populated indoor spaces right now? I suppose the only positive is the hotel is a brief walk from the arena, they could almost have a temporary enclosed canopy for the players to go between each without co-mingling with civilians at all...

Bellator (MMA) has hosted 3 post-COVID events at Mohegan Sun with 2 more scheduled for September. Obviously running a MMA event is different than running a basketball game with 40+ player/staff, officials and gameday personnel, etc., but I'd have to imagine they have a system in place to safely move fighters, corners, media and other promotion personnel safely through Mohegan to the arena that could be adjusted for basketball.

[Rhodymob05]

Big 10 football now talking about starting up perhaps around Thanksgiving Time ??

Hell yes!

[Billyboy78]

17 PC students already suspended for violating Covid rules.

[Billyboy78]

[Rhody74]

17 PC students already suspended for violating Covid rules.

It’ll happen at URI and just about every other school.

[NYGFan_Section208]

If Rothstein can predict the date of the college basketball startup 3-4 months out, get Fauci out of there and install him. It's laughable, 3-4 months time with this virus is an eternity. Who the F knows what November/December will look like. This year has been a tumultuous decade, I'm going to think it's 2030 when the New Year hits.

Me. It's going to look just exactly like it does 'now', except colder outside and no leaves.

[Billyboy78]

17 PC students already suspended for violating Covid rules.

It’ll happen at URI and just about every other school.

Agree.

[rhodylaw]

I like the spirit, but you want to bring teams to one of the few highly populated indoor spaces right now? I suppose the only positive is the hotel is a brief walk from the arena, they could almost have a temporary enclosed canopy for the players to go between each without co-mingling with civilians at all...

The positive thing about Mohegan Sun (or any casino really) is the air exchange rate is already high and they will keep the basketball teams separate, away from the casino floors.

I am super pumped that a backup plan floating out there puts Rhody in a bubble with some really good programs.

[sevegny7]

I like the spirit, but you want to bring teams to one of the few highly populated indoor spaces right now? I suppose the only positive is the hotel is a brief walk from the arena, they could almost have a temporary enclosed canopy for the players to go between each without co-mingling with civilians at all...

The positive thing about Mohegan Sun (or any casino really) is the air exchange rate is already high and they will keep the basketball teams separate, away from the casino floors.

I am super pumped that a backup plan floating out there puts Rhody in a bubble with some really good programs.

Couldnt agree more. I was excited to see that floated out there and the teams associated with that potential bubble. It is nice that mohegan sun as a bubble location would be right in our back yard. Maybe 45 mins away. I'm sure alot of the players classes will be offered online.

[Rhodymob05]

So these bubble locations are only for the tournements?

[ramster]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... all-season

[rhodyruckus]

I like the spirit, but you want to bring teams to one of the few highly populated indoor spaces right now? I suppose the only positive is the hotel is a brief walk from the arena, they could almost have a temporary enclosed canopy for the players to go between each without co-mingling with civilians at all...

The positive thing about Mohegan Sun (or any casino really) is the air exchange rate is already high and they will keep the basketball teams separate, away from the casino floors.

I am super pumped that a backup plan floating out there puts Rhody in a bubble with some really good programs.

That I agree on! Was thinking more that you take away the one benefit of starting at semester break at campus sites when each is effectively a bubble. Instead you are out in the "real world", not just local CT residents but many MA/NY/RI folks with potential higher rates by late Fall will be around the building. But if they are to play something like 4-5 games in a 7-10 day period like a big round robin tournament, you get a lot of mileage out of one plane trip instead of needing to take 4 or 5 different trips.

[RF1]

UConn: 57 residential students with virus now in isolation
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus ... -isolation

[theblueram]

Interesting analysis and breakdown of what is counted as a covid death. Basically if you died and tested positive, you were a Covid death.

"According to the CDC 9,683 died in the United States with only having COVID-19 listed on their death certificate."


https://turnto10.com/news/nation-world/ ... 08-30-2020

[TruePoint]

It is amazing to me that a certain segment of people wants to grasp on to any possible argument that, actually, COVID is no big deal and so we should just go back to life as normal. The fact that people with comorbidities are exceptionally vulnerable to the disease is MORE of a reason for society in general to proceed cautiously. First of all, the number of Americans with comorbidities is staggering - I’ve seen estimates that interpreted broadly this could represent roughly 90% of the population, which puts those CDC numbers in a slightly different context. Second of all, even if that estimate is overstated, there is no doubt that the population with at least one comorbidity is substantial. You can’t just sacrifice those people.

Every other advanced country on earth put into place various measures to stop the spread of the virus, “took their medicine” so to speak, and is happily back to normal or close to it. Our dumb country full of ignorant babies would rather carry on about their right to potentially infect other people in a Walmart than be smart and stay home or just be neighborly and decent and wear a goddamn mask, so here we are 6 months into this and every day pumping out more COVID deaths than the rest of the advanced world combined, making idiotic arguments and excuses instead of just acting like grown ups and instituting and following protocols that would easily limit spread and end this nightmare sooner than later. If a terrorist killed 180,000 Americans the same people who can’t bother to wear a mask and who wave away these deaths would be frothing to bomb every majority-brown country in the world out of existence. We are having the equivalent of two 9/11s every week and people’s depraved politics won’t let them acknowledge it because they think doing so would reflect poorly on the President. It’s honestly gross and depressing.

[theblueram]

That's what you got out of the CDC report? Interesting. I didn't see any of that in there.

[PeterRamTime]

Interesting analysis and breakdown of what is counted as a covid death. Basically if you died and tested positive, you were a Covid death.

"According to the CDC 9,683 died in the United States with only having COVID-19 listed on their death certificate."


https://turnto10.com/news/nation-world/ ... 08-30-2020

Golly blueram you really should let go of your "depraved politics" and stop questioning how deadly and just awful this horrible pandemic is and how people like you are out there killing all those poor 80 year olds when you dont have your mask on at a grocery store!


You should try virtue signaling instead. Because even if virtue signaling doesn't solve any issues and only amplifies a growing divide in our country, it will at least allow YOU to feel certain that YOU are morally superior. Also, dont bother ever having a respectful discussion with people you disagree with. Virtue signal at them and let them know just how terrible they are! You'll really show them!

[theblueram]

Interesting analysis and breakdown of what is counted as a covid death. Basically if you died and tested positive, you were a Covid death.

"According to the CDC 9,683 died in the United States with only having COVID-19 listed on their death certificate."


https://turnto10.com/news/nation-world/ ... 08-30-2020

Golly blueram you really should let go of your "depraved politics" and stop questioning how deadly and just awful this horrible pandemic is and how people like you are out there killing all those poor 80 year olds when you dont have your mask on at a grocery store!


You should try virtue signaling instead. Because even if virtue signaling doesn't solve any issues and only amplifies a growing divide in our country, it will at least allow YOU to feel certain that YOU are morally superior. Also, dont bother ever having a respectful discussion with people you disagree with. Virtue signal at them and let them know just how terrible they are! You'll really show them!

I have no idea what virtue signalling is.

[DanInAZ]

Some humans have common sense, while others do not. Common sense is completely underrated.

[TruePoint]

Golly blueram you really should let go of your "depraved politics" and stop questioning how deadly and just awful this horrible pandemic is and how people like you are out there killing all those poor 80 year olds when you dont have your mask on at a grocery store!

Yes

[theblueram]

If a terrorist killed 180,000 Americans the same people who can’t bother to wear a mask and who wave away these deaths would be frothing to bomb every majority-brown country in the world out of existence. We are having the equivalent of two 9/11s every week and people’s depraved politics won’t let them acknowledge it because they think doing so would reflect poorly on the President. It’s honestly gross and depressing.

You do realize that the middle east is identified as white, right? Or were these so called terrorists from Latin America?

[TruePoint]

Fine, blueram. I don’t care about the semantics of that and it is veering way off topic. I said my piece about it. I think it is super irresponsible to imply that “hey the CDC says only 8% of reported COVID deaths are actually due to COVID” (which is what I’ve been seeing from people for 3 days now) which is either a misinterpretation or misrepresentation of the data (depending on whether you really don’t understand it or you do and are deliberately trying to mislead people). I don’t want to get into a larger discussion about this and every possible peripheral issue. I think it’s important to clarify what the data says because of the public health implications of misinformation on this point. Otherwise I’d rather not clutter the board with stupid political debate.

[DeanDome88]

Fine, blueram. I don’t care about the semantics of that and it is veering way off topic. I said my piece about it. I think it is super irresponsible to imply that “hey the CDC says only 8% of reported COVID deaths are actually due to COVID” (which is what I’ve been seeing from people for 3 days now) which is either a misinterpretation or misrepresentation of the data (depending on whether you really don’t understand it or you do and are deliberately trying to mislead people). I don’t want to get into a larger discussion about this and every possible peripheral issue. I think it’s important to clarify what the data says because of the public health implications of misinformation on this point. Otherwise I’d rather not clutter the board with stupid political debate.

It's real big of you to not want to have a political debate after spouting off as usual.

[TruePoint]

If you guys want to continue, go back to the Daily Stormer or wherever you guys do your politics stuff. Q anon dot com or whatever.

[theblueram]

Fine, blueram. I don’t care about the semantics of that and it is veering way off topic. I said my piece about it. I think it is super irresponsible to imply that “hey the CDC says only 8% of reported COVID deaths are actually due to COVID” (which is what I’ve been seeing from people for 3 days now) which is either a misinterpretation or misrepresentation of the data (depending on whether you really don’t understand it or you do and are deliberately trying to mislead people). I don’t want to get into a larger discussion about this and every possible peripheral issue. I think it’s important to clarify what the data says because of the public health implications of misinformation on this point. Otherwise I’d rather not clutter the board with stupid political debate.

Just passing along the "science" many believe in. Amazing how I post a CDC article and people get all political.I didn't imply anything in my post. Just quoted CDC. Hmmm.

[Ram1019]

I read the CDC report. Regarding the majority of the other 94%, Covid 19 is what caused the other illnesses ("comorbidities") to kill these people who would not have otherwise died had they not caught Covid 19.

[JimSidd]

People need to take a broader look at this and consider not just deaths, but that many people that contract the virus could have serious health complications that could last years or for the rest of their life.

The mental toll of these cases that likely won’t diminish until we have a successful vaccine that a majority of people will take is taxing. It becomes a “when will it end” situation. Cases will likely increase now that school is starting up, then we’ll have flu season to contend with. There will probably be increased activity around Thanksgiving and Christmas, too.

It’s probably too late to go back to complete shutdown mode now. We should have stuck with it longer in the spring.

[ramster]

#23 Preseason Ranked Big12 Iowa State will open the season hosting Louisiana Rajin Cajuns

#24 Preseason Ranked Big10 Iowa will not be playing

[ramster]

FBS Conferences playing the 2020 Season this fall:

American Athletic Conference (AAC)
Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) -- Notre Dame will also play a 10-game ACC schedule and be eligible for the ACC championship.
Big 12 Conference
Conference USA
Southeastern Conference (SEC)
Sun Belt Conference

[ramster]

I don't care what the numbers say -- Until the impact of COVID is greatly neutralized (5-10K cases per day with maximum testing and contact tracing), sports that exist outside of a bubble for amateur athletes should not be played, period, end of story.

If a professional athlete making millions of dollars wants to take the risk, that is their right and they are old enough and mature enough to make that decision for themselves and their family.

But in my opinion, the student-athlete getting a free education and a few thousand per year should not be treated the same as a professional athlete. As these schools figure out ways to keep kids separate and eliminate touchpoints, athletes should not be treated different because they play sports and drive revenue to the school, unless of course you can create a bubble for them where they are in fact safer than they would probably be home and out of school while also playing the sport they love.

Yes, great, numbers are going down in Texas, they still have several thousand very sick and hundreds dying every day. That's not a win. In no universe is that a win. But to the loonies out there "It's better, we can play, we can live our lives."

I'm extraordinarily proud of the leadership in the Big Ten and the Pac-12 to turn down several millions in favor of the safety of their players. But this is lunacy. These games should be scheduled for the spring, when a vaccine is out and things are under better control.

All Big10 Athletic Directors were against the Big 10 Football Decision. Presidents Vote was 11-3.
Will be interesting to watch what the Big10 decides to do.
Iowa State Playing and Iowa not playing is crazy - same state.
Notre Dame Playing will be tough for Ohio State, Michigan State, Indiana, etc to watch being from the same Midwest area.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsspo ... blame/amp/

[ramster]