The Transfer Carousel - 2020-21

[eli#10]

Will there be any "quiet periods" when contact is prohibited between schools and players? Somehow there has to be a way of preventing players from bailing out on their team at a late date and being able to play right away at their new school. If one transfers at a late date he still has to sit out a year would make sense.

[SmartyBarrett]

This guy was one of the lone bright spots on La Salle this year.

[ramster]

[Rhode_Island_Red]

Wonder if he heard from all these schools before or after he decided to transfer ...

[ramster]

Obviously not a happy bunch at Lasalle
Leading scorer and rebounder decides to transfer BEFORE the season is over.

He last played the Davidson game. Did not play St Bonaventure and will not play in the upcoming games.

https://explorertown.proboards.com/thre ... ing?page=6

[SGreenwell]

Wonder if he heard from all these schools before or after he decided to transfer ...

I think it is safe to assume that in 2020, anyone who is transferring knows that they have at least one "safe" landing spot.

[McRam]

I wouldn't be happy seeing Fatts playing for Duke or Virginia next year.

Why would he want to though? He's an undersized guard who loves being the underdog and is king of this team - it will be HIS team next year.

Not sure why he'd want to leave that situation as a senior.

Because he could play for a national title contender that would give him so many more accolades and visibility.

eg see Eric Pascal

[Rhode_Island_Red]

Wonder if he heard from all these schools before or after he decided to transfer ...

I think it is safe to assume that in 2020, anyone who is transferring knows that they have at least one "safe" landing spot.

There’s a difference between that and having coaches calling unsolicited to whisper sweet nothings in your ear. The latter is what will happen with this new rule.

[ramster]

Wonder if he heard from all these schools before or after he decided to transfer ...

I think it is safe to assume that in 2020, anyone who is transferring knows that they have at least one "safe" landing spot.

There’s a difference between that and having coaches calling unsolicited to whisper sweet nothings in your ear. The latter is what will happen with this new rule.

You are right Red.

Looking at last 5 years of all Rookie Teams there have been 12 of 25 transfer. There could be more with the last two years more recent

Does not include a Jared Bynum (St Joseph’s to PC) or Izaiah Brockington (St Bonaventure to Penn State) who did not make All Rookie.

The floodgates will open wide with the elimination of the 1 year sit out requirement


2018-2019 All-Rookie Team
Sincere Carry, Duquesne
Nick Honor, Fordham - Clemson
Obi Toppin, Dayton
Kyle Lofton, St. Bonaventure
Osun Osunniyi, St. Bonaventure

2017-2018 All-Rookie Team
Kellan Grady, Davidson
Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
Eric Williams, Jr., Duquesne - Oregon
Grant Golden, Richmond
Hasahn French, Saint Louis

2016-2017 All-Rookie Team
Mike Lewis II, Duquesne - Nevada
Isiaha Mike, Duquesne - SMU
Jeff Dowtin, Rhode Island
De'Monte Buckingham, Richmond - Cal State Bakersfield
Charlie Brown, Saint Joseph's

2015-2016 All-Rookie Team
Joseph Chartouny, Fordham - Marquette
Otis Livingston, George Mason
Lamarr Kimble, Saint Joseph's - Louisville-Grad
Jermaine Bishop, Saint Louis - Norfolk State
Khwan Fore, Richmond - Louisville

2014-2015 ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
Peyton Aldridge, Davidson
Eric Paschall, Fordham - Villanova
Christian Sengfelder, Fordham - Boise State, Germany
Jared Terrell, URI
Milik Yarbrough, Saint Louis - Illinois State

[Rhode_Island_Red]

Happened to come across this in the (Bridgeport) Connecticut Post https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/jeffja ... 102909.php:

On the road to a program-record 19 victories this season, Sacred Heart coach Anthony Latina has been stung and stung hard. Twice.

In 2016, guard Cane Broome, NEC Player of the Year who had averaged 23.1 points as a sophomore, transferred to Cincinnati. In 2017, Quincy McKnight, first-team All-NEC guard who had averaged 18.9 points as a sophomore, transferred to Seton Hall. McKnight still plays for the eighth-ranked Pirates, averaging 11.6 points and 5.4 assists.

So, yes, Latina knows the pain and painful lessons of April transfers.

Hard to imagine that two players from low-major Sacred Heart just happened to have safe landing places at Cincinnati and Seton Hall.

[SGreenwell]

Wonder if he heard from all these schools before or after he decided to transfer ...

I think it is safe to assume that in 2020, anyone who is transferring knows that they have at least one "safe" landing spot.

There’s a difference between that and having coaches calling unsolicited to whisper sweet nothings in your ear. The latter is what will happen with this new rule.

I'm not sure what the new rule has to do with it - All of these people talk to one another. Like, you think Jared Terrell had zero contact with anyone connected with URI before he transferred here? What about Walker? I'm positive the back channels have helped us out when *we* want a transfer, so I'm not going to complain when other schools are doing it too.

[Rhode_Island_Red]

I think it is safe to assume that in 2020, anyone who is transferring knows that they have at least one "safe" landing spot.

There’s a difference between that and having coaches calling unsolicited to whisper sweet nothings in your ear. The latter is what will happen with this new rule.

I'm not sure what the new rule has to do with it - All of these people talk to one another. Like, you think Jared Terrell had zero contact with anyone connected with URI before he transferred here? What about Walker? I'm positive the back channels have helped us out when *we* want a transfer, so I'm not going to complain when other schools are doing it too.

All I'm saying is that with the new rule it's open season, and non-Cartel coaches will have their rosters torn up at any time.

[Rhody15]

I think it is safe to assume that in 2020, anyone who is transferring knows that they have at least one "safe" landing spot.

There’s a difference between that and having coaches calling unsolicited to whisper sweet nothings in your ear. The latter is what will happen with this new rule.

I'm not sure what the new rule has to do with it - All of these people talk to one another. Like, you think Jared Terrell had zero contact with anyone connected with URI before he transferred here? What about Walker? I'm positive the back channels have helped us out when *we* want a transfer, so I'm not going to complain when other schools are doing it too.

Terrell didn’t transfer here. Recruited
by us, committed to OSU, decommitted, then obviously we recruited him again.

[RamStock]

I think it is safe to assume that in 2020, anyone who is transferring knows that they have at least one "safe" landing spot.

There’s a difference between that and having coaches calling unsolicited to whisper sweet nothings in your ear. The latter is what will happen with this new rule.

You are right Red.

Looking at last 5 years of all Rookie Teams there have been 12 of 25 transfer. There could be more with the last two years more recent

Does not include a Jared Bynum (St Joseph’s to PC) or Izaiah Brockington (St Bonaventure to Penn State) who did not make All Rookie.

The floodgates will open wide with the elimination of the 1 year sit out requirement


2018-2019 All-Rookie Team
Sincere Carry, Duquesne
Nick Honor, Fordham - Clemson
Obi Toppin, Dayton
Kyle Lofton, St. Bonaventure
Osun Osunniyi, St. Bonaventure

2017-2018 All-Rookie Team
Kellan Grady, Davidson
Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
Eric Williams, Jr., Duquesne - Oregon
Grant Golden, Richmond
Hasahn French, Saint Louis

2016-2017 All-Rookie Team
Mike Lewis II, Duquesne - Nevada
Isiaha Mike, Duquesne - SMU
Jeff Dowtin, Rhode Island
De'Monte Buckingham, Richmond - Cal State Bakersfield
Charlie Brown, Saint Joseph's

2015-2016 All-Rookie Team
Joseph Chartouny, Fordham - Marquette
Otis Livingston, George Mason
Lamarr Kimble, Saint Joseph's - Louisville-Grad
Jermaine Bishop, Saint Louis - Norfolk State
Khwan Fore, Richmond - Louisville

2014-2015 ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
Peyton Aldridge, Davidson
Eric Paschall, Fordham - Villanova
Christian Sengfelder, Fordham - Boise State, Germany
Jared Terrell, URI
Milik Yarbrough, Saint Louis - Illinois State

The rule will help to send college basketball on an even quicker decline. I think some people mentioned that they were tired of senior night because of the way we have played on that night. There is little need to worry about that any longer as very few players will remain at one school 4 years. They will go to bigger schools or meet up with their friends. I’m betting Fatts would have left with Hurley or gone somewhere else after his freshman or sophomore year with everything that took place. Not having to sit means a much worse college basketball for the future.

[rambone 78]

Has this rule been approved yet? For next season?

Was it approved while I was away? I thought it hadn't been at this point.

[Blue Man]

Speaking of transfers - that Pipkins pick-up isn’t looking so bad now.

[reef]

I don’t think it’s official yet but it is likely to be approved ??

[rambone 78]

Don't be surprised if one or two transfer out after this season.

[Dino611]

Don't be surprised if one or two transfer out after this season.

Oh no....

[ramster]

Oh yes.

[Dino611]

Oh yes.

You have sources inside that know I’m guessing?

[section(105)]

.......are we gonna start speculating on who?......I hope not, think would not be in the best interest and well being of the student athletes while the season, post season remains......

[Joe95]

Don't be surprised if one or two transfer out after this season.

Any ideas or just speculation?

[Rhodyram]

Don't be surprised if one or two transfer out after this season.

If true- it’s going to be a problem as only 6 players(contributors) from this years squad are returning- not counting DJ or Sheppard

[steveystuds06]

Don't be surprised if one or two transfer out after this season.

I 100% expect transfers. That’s the norm for our program now.

[PCFriars]

Not that I think it’s much of a loss, but I was told by a booster to your program that Long is a likely transfer.

[Billyboy78]

Not that I think it’s much of a loss, but I was told by a booster to your program that Long is a likely transfer.

That would make 3 out of 4 from this year's class....75% (and I wasn't even a math major!)....not good.

[ElmCityRhody]

Why would long transfer ?

He gets enough playing time for the productivity he has brought this year

Do we have a coaching problem ?

This is just speculation tho - it’s not like it’s fact - I guess we will see

[PCFriars]

I truthfully know nothing except what I was told by this gentleman who is generally pretty plugged in to the URI program. Who knows.

[Rhody Sody]

I have zero connections within the team however i did attend the George Mason game and the above statement might hold some truth based on something i observed at the Mason game. At one point Long went to the bench and seemed pretty frustrated. Someone in the crowd directly in front of me, which i thought to be one of the player’s mothers, yelled to either Long or Harris and said “it’s only until the end of the year keep your head up”. I thought it was odd at the time and thought maybe Long was injured. JH was riding a stationary bike behind the bench at the same time so i wasn’t 100% sure if they were talking to Long or JH because i was talking to my buddy while it transpired. Maybe it wasn’t anything but it stuck out to me and i was thinking at the time either injury frustration or possible transfer. If i had to guess they were talking to Long. Hopefully nothing to it but i guess we will see.

[steviep123]

Yikes. I thing Long is going to be good in a couple of years. This is bad if true.

[FDshoes]

Not good......

[Section104]

Toppin, Martin, and Fatts are all highly coveted free agents in the no sit out world. Time will tell. Welcome to the new world of college athletics.

[ramster]

It was even happening in the old world. 12 of 25 from the All Rookie Teams the past 5 years have transferred. It’s about to get far worse with no restrictions.

[BlackDogRants]

Why would long transfer ?

He gets enough playing time for the productivity he has brought this year

Do we have a coaching problem ?

This is just speculation tho - it’s not like it’s fact - I guess we will see

Short answer - yes

[Rhodymob05]

What a bunch of crap. The NCAA needs to stop this madness of constant transferring and Cox needs to get a grip of this team.

[PeterRamTime]

I have zero connections within the team however i did attend the George Mason game and the above statement might hold some truth based on something i observed at the Mason game. At one point Long went to the bench and seemed pretty frustrated. Someone in the crowd directly in front of me, which i thought to be one of the player’s mothers, yelled to either Long or Harris and said “it’s only until the end of the year keep your head up”. I thought it was odd at the time and thought maybe Long was injured. JH was riding a stationary bike behind the bench at the same time so i wasn’t 100% sure if they were talking to Long or JH because i was talking to my buddy while it transpired. Maybe it wasn’t anything but it stuck out to me and i was thinking at the time either injury frustration or possible transfer. If i had to guess they were talking to Long. Hopefully nothing to it but i guess we will see.

So weird.

Why?????

[ram1980]

If there is indeed 1 or 2 transfers at the end of this season we may be heading for the abyss. It would mean players that are playing are leaving. That screams coaching issue and will certainly affect recruiting. Not good news

[rhodylaw]

I don’t think it is the abyss of 1 or 2 guys leave (unless it is Tyrese, Jacob or Fatts). I can see Mekhi being frustrated because on a team with 8 guys playing and and no reserve guards he is averaging 13 mins a game. In fairness, I don’t think he brings a lot of instant offense off the bench so it is tough to insert him when we need scoring. Going back to another thread topic, this is why for the good of the team Fatts should come off the bench the rest of the season. Not having Jeremy to come in off the bench has hurt this team. When the starters aren’t scoring the bench guys can’t provide any change of pace.

[Tjrams91]

The Long rumors are likely true. I’ve guessing they expected him to play 25-30 minutes a game. Outside of Fordham and a couple other games, he simply was not ready to play. But that’s most freshman. Families are a significant handicap to kids development.

[Rhodyhooopz]

I just don't get this. Do all Freshman coming into a program that returns all 5 starting players expect 20-30 minutes a game? What ever happened to earning your spot? Or are they promised more than they should be promised to get them here?

[Tjrams91]

I just don't get this. Do all Freshman coming into a program that returns all 5 starting players expect 20-30 minutes a game? What ever happened to earning your spot? Or are they promised more than they should be promised to get them here?

One thing I’ve heard countless times in the recruiting section is that Cox promises NO ONE a set number on PT. It’s earned.

[section(105)]

I just don't get this. Do all Freshman coming into a program that returns all 5 starting players expect 20-30 minutes a game? What ever happened to earning your spot? Or are they promised more than they should be promised to get them here?

.......sad to say, but for me, it is a little of both, coupled with some kids see what is going on on the floor and think they could do better.....the human condition kicking in.....

[ramster]

Don’t care what is said

I don’t like Toppin, Long and Walker getting only 10-25 minutes while Dowtin, Martin and Russell get 35-38.

And people keep saying how they are tired and beaten up.

Win win

Let Dowtin, Martin and Russell play 30 minutes. Get Toppin 25 minutes or more

No way Martin and Russell should be playing with 2 minutes left to a Dayton.

The Seniors Dowtin and Langevine Yes they should be playing til Cox takes them out to the crowd.

To me the bench has earned more minutes than they are getting and the 3 guard started are getting more minutes than they deserve. Martin and Russell shot a combined 5-25. 1-10 on 3Ps. 7-12 FTs. Martin 37 minutes, Russell 36 minutes.

Don’t know how earning comes into play there

[RamStock]

The Long rumors are likely true. I’ve guessing they expected him to play 25-30 minutes a game. Outside of Fordham and a couple other games, he simply was not ready to play. But that’s most freshman. Families are a significant handicap to kids development.

Why would anyone expect Long to have ever have played 25-30 minutes a game? I didn’t take the time to look it up, but would have guessed going into the season 8-10 minutes a game prior to losing Tate and Hammonds and around 12-14 minutes at most after losing those two players. I think Long is a very good defensive player that will improve offensively as he goes, but no chance on this kind of minutes until maybe junior year.

[Smokinjimit]

Shepard not being eligible and Tate transferring killed our bench. Both of those guys would be getting 20 mi utes a game.
While I think Long has potential he is fortunate to be getting as much time as he does.

[RhowdyRam02]

If there is indeed 1 or 2 transfers at the end of this season we may be heading for the abyss. It would mean players that are playing are leaving. That screams coaching issue and will certainly affect recruiting. Not good news

Making the tournament this year was so crucial to keeping the program together. We're going to become very easy to recruit against. Any coach we're going against for a recruit can point out we've had no success under Cox yet and the high amount of transfers and ask if this is really a program a recruit wants to commit to. It's hard to promote family and a winning culture when it hasn't been proven to have stayed after Hurley left yet

[BlackDogRants]

If there is indeed 1 or 2 transfers at the end of this season we may be heading for the abyss. It would mean players that are playing are leaving. That screams coaching issue and will certainly affect recruiting. Not good news

Making the tournament this year was so crucial to keeping the program together. We're going to become very easy to recruit against. Any coach we're going against for a recruit can point out we've had no success under Cox yet and the high amount of transfers and ask if this is really a program a recruit wants to commit to. It's hard to promote family and a winning culture when it hasn't been proven to have stayed after Hurley left yet

This is absolutely accurate in my opinion. If we have ANY current guys leave it would trigger a pretty ugly domino effect. What would we even be offering to a potential recruit at that point? Cant say our culture is good when people are running from it. Cant say we have great facilities - we dont. Cant say we have experienced coaching staff - Cox is a first time head coach (a mistake) and we have two assistants that were glorified video editors a year ago. Cant promote our game plan or playing identity since we dont have one - some days its defense, some days its let Fatts run around, sometimes its a strange weave!

So to the previous post's point if we made the tournament this season it changes everything. But we didn't so ... time will really tell but its starting to have a bit of a stink.

[Billyboy78]

Because if we lose 2 more players, we then have 5 open scholarships. That's why.

[adam914]

Maybe we should pump the brakes on bashing Mekhi and assuming that we know how he feels about his playing time until a decision is actually made? Seems like we are making quite the leap in assuming he is upset with his playing time just because a PC fan came on here and said he heard something. Let's wait and see if he transfers first. It may end up being true, but a wait and see approach might be best here.