The 2019 Coaching Carousel

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

Tre Mitchell’s recruitment, which at one point seemed baffling, has really come into focus in the last month or so. He was viewed as a one time Notre Dame lock, then messed around with maybe going to the class of 2020, and now the always effective job-promise. He’s taking quite the risk.

I think he’d do well in the A10- not hugely athletic but has some very nice moves around the basket for a young big.

And, for the record, I’m not generally opposed to hiring a guy to get a recruit. But, the rest of the staff has to be strong and secure in their roles and can’t be undermined by the new guy.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

Maybe he'll just become huge...like Holloway...….

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

Boy Umass really is a dumpster fire now they are whacking coaches

McCall does seem over his head

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 5 years ago

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

Is Stone happy because he hates GW or because he loves JTIII?

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

I think that would be a decent hire for GW

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 years ago McCall was the one who hired those guys....this is laughable. They don't want to pay off McCall so dump the cheap staff.

Bringing in a HS coach to secure a recruit....that's another good one!

The gift that keeps on giving....that's UMess basketball folks!

Btw how is hiring an assistant only to get the son to play not an ncaa violation?

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 5 years ago

reef wrote: ↑5 years ago I think that would be a decent hire for GW

I'd say that's a home run hire for GW.

The Thompson name is gold in the DMV and JT3 is a great coach who gets underrated by his father's shadow.

He was damn good at Georgetown, but got the boot because he wasn't his dad.

Took Princeton to the dance 2 out of 4 years.
Took Georgetown to the Final 4, Sweet 16 and 8 appearances in 13 seasons. 271-158 overall there (.653 win%)

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

GW will be good again soon if they hire him.

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

JT3 would be a great hire for sure. There are GW fans on Twitter, however, saying they should reject JT3 out of principle because Georgetown refuses to play GW. One comment I thought comical was something like, "Can JT3 refuse to play himself?"

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

Please don't confuse what I'm about to write with me being displeased with Cox, because I think Cox is good, however, if instead of Cox URI chose to hire JT3 instead, I would have been very happy (I know he wasn't a consideration that I remember).

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

I'm no expert on evaluating coaches obviously, but I'd give DC a B- overall on his 1st season.

Of course if I graded him right after that 1-7 swoon he would have gotten a D.

Lots of good signs plus things to work on. That's not just him...team also.

If things keep improving I think we have a winner.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

I think james Jones from Yale is a better hire than JT3. He’s done more with less. JT3 was a colossal disappointment at Gtown, yes he had a couple tourney runs but he also lost to double digit seeds 4 years in a row. You know what you get with him, Jones has more upside IMO and is a young exciting coach to add to the league.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago I think james Jones from Yale is a better hire than JT3. He’s done more with less. JT3 was a colossal disappointment at Gtown, yes he had a couple tourney runs but he also lost to double digit seeds 4 years in a row. You know what you get with him, Jones has more upside IMO and is a young exciting coach to add to the league.

Jones is a terrific coach. He’s also the guy who’s stil coaching this season versus the guy who was fired. But who knows? Ford and Grant are current examples of coaches who have found a place in the A10 after mixed results higher up.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

I couldn’t think of a guy I’d be less excited about than JTIII. Not sure I get the attraction. He wouldn’t have ever been a coach if his father wasn’t a HOF coach. His teams underachieved consistently. He’s the classic boring retread. I’d always gamble on giving a guy a shot on his way up - an assistant or a head coach at a smaller school. I don’t need someone who plateued as a mid-pack Big East program with one of the best brands in college basketball in a smoldering recruiting hotbed.

URI_05 · Unread post by **URI_05** » 5 years ago

TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago I couldn’t think of a guy I’d be less excited about than JTIII. Not sure I get the attraction. He wouldn’t have ever been a coach if his father wasn’t a HOF coach. His teams underachieved consistently. He’s the classic boring retread. I’d always gamble on giving a guy a shot on his way up - an assistant or a head coach at a smaller school. I don’t need someone who plateued as a mid-pack Big East program with one of the best brands in college basketball in a smoldering recruiting hotbed.

He's brought teams to the NCAA Tournament 10 times out of 17 total seasons and has been to the Final Four. He's also only missed the NCAA/NIT 3x in his career. This is one of the most insane takes I've seen.

Section104 · Unread post by **Section104** » 5 years ago

TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago I couldn’t think of a guy I’d be less excited about than JTIII. Not sure I get the attraction. He wouldn’t have ever been a coach if his father wasn’t a HOF coach. His teams underachieved consistently. He’s the classic boring retread. I’d always gamble on giving a guy a shot on his way up - an assistant or a head coach at a smaller school. I don’t need someone who plateued as a mid-pack Big East program with one of the best brands in college basketball in a smoldering recruiting hotbed.

The end of the JTIII era in Georgetown was ugly and I don't think that highly of him as an in-game coach

That said, he won the Ivy 3 out of his 4 years at Princeton, won the (real) Big East 3 out of his 13 years at Georgetown and made a Final Four in his third year. His teams never lacked talent. Talent alone would make GW a top half team in the A10 if he used his old recruiting connections. I remember people were less than pleased with NCAA appearances - for good reason.

I think GW could do much worse and prefer him over James Jones who has 2 NCAA tournaments in 20 years at Yale. In fact, for direct comparison - JTIII never finished behind Jones while they were in the Ivy together.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

They took a few days to officially announce it, but there it is...

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

No love lost for the Klingon, especially after the injuries to Garrett and Iverson 3 years ago.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Martelli had lost (no longer there) most of his Admin friends that had long supported him at SJU. They have a new AD that had no ties to him who wants to make her own mark.

This is the email that went out to the SJU community:

TO: SJU Community
FROM: Jill Bodensteiner, Director of Athletics
RE: Change in Coaching Leadership

Dear SJU Community,

Following a comprehensive review of the men’s basketball program, I have decided to make a change in the leadership of the program. The decision was not an easy one, but I believe it is the right one – for both the men’s basketball program and the institution as a whole.

We will immediately start the search for a new head coach, with the goal of having the new head coach onboard in the coming weeks.

I want to make two important points: (1) Coach Phil Martelli stands out among his peers in college basketball not only for his long tenure and the many accolades that he and his teams have achieved, but also for his engagement with the community and his service as a wonderful ambassador for SJU. The University recognizes and celebrates the history and heart that Coach Martelli brought to the program and thanks him for his long service, dedication and stewardship. (2) Basketball is an important strategic asset for the University. We have a storied history, and we move forward with the desire and intent to build upon that history, develop a sustained and consistent culture of excellence, and compete for NCAA tournament appearances and conference championships every year.

In closing, I promise to continue to work extremely hard to ensure that Saint Joseph’s Athletics and our student-athletes remain a source of great pride to the University community. The Hawk Will Never Die.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

URI_05 wrote: ↑5 years ago
TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago I couldn’t think of a guy I’d be less excited about than JTIII. Not sure I get the attraction. He wouldn’t have ever been a coach if his father wasn’t a HOF coach. His teams underachieved consistently. He’s the classic boring retread. I’d always gamble on giving a guy a shot on his way up - an assistant or a head coach at a smaller school. I don’t need someone who plateued as a mid-pack Big East program with one of the best brands in college basketball in a smoldering recruiting hotbed.
He's brought teams to the NCAA Tournament 10 times out of 17 total seasons and has been to the Final Four. He's also only missed the NCAA/NIT 3x in his career. This is one of the most insane takes I've seen.

Literally I could have done that at the Georgetown program he inherited.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago I know of 1 move that will happen in a week, and its none of the schools listed above. That's all I can say

Martelli is who I was referencing here.

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago
bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago I know of 1 move that will happen in a week, and its none of the schools listed above. That's all I can say
Martelli is who I was referencing here.

While I didn't think it would happen, I'm not all that surprised. I'm actually more surprised that Fordham is keeping their coach. I wonder if anyone (like Charlie Brown) transfers. We could use him (although he'd probably have to sit 2 seasons, right?).

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

Fatts sent Martelli off right.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 5 years ago

sorry, not sorry. the absolute definition of a pompous ass just got his...

Rhode_Island_Red · Unread post by **Rhode_Island_Red** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago
SmartyBarrett wrote: ↑5 years ago
One person well past his prime commenting on someone of similar ilk.

You were saying?

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Perhaps Martelli will now have the time to fight Billy Packer down at the street corner.

Never cared for the man and not in the least bit sorry to see him go. He was very pompous and arrogant and was mostly all about self promotion. He was never a true ambassador for the A-10 as some fools suggested.

Section104 · Unread post by **Section104** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago Perhaps Martelli will now have the time to fight Billy Packer down at the street corner.

Never cared for the man and not in the least bit sorry to see him go. He was very pompous and arrogant and was mostly all about self promotion. He was never a true ambassador for the A-10 as some fools suggested.

Has anyone ever intra-conference poached? Ashley Howard would be a good candidate.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago Fatts sent Martelli off right.

It pleases me to think that Martelli's last game ever coached on Hawk Hill was a loss to URI.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Section104 wrote: ↑5 years ago
RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago Perhaps Martelli will now have the time to fight Billy Packer down at the street corner.

Never cared for the man and not in the least bit sorry to see him go. He was very pompous and arrogant and was mostly all about self promotion. He was never a true ambassador for the A-10 as some fools suggested.
Has anyone ever intra-conference poached? Ashley Howard would be a good candidate.

Are you kidding? Have you forgotten Baron already? There have been others as well. Satalin had earlier left SBU for Duquesne. It seems coaches in the past have really wanted out of Olean.

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago
Section104 wrote: ↑5 years ago
RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago Perhaps Martelli will now have the time to fight Billy Packer down at the street corner.

Never cared for the man and not in the least bit sorry to see him go. He was very pompous and arrogant and was mostly all about self promotion. He was never a true ambassador for the A-10 as some fools suggested.
Has anyone ever intra-conference poached? Ashley Howard would be a good candidate.

Are you kidding? Have you forgotten Baron already? There have been others as well. Satalin had earlier left SBU for Duquesne.

To be fair, Baron was forgetful.

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

Sorry if this was already posted:

Section104 · Unread post by **Section104** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago
Section104 wrote: ↑5 years ago
RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago Perhaps Martelli will now have the time to fight Billy Packer down at the street corner.

Never cared for the man and not in the least bit sorry to see him go. He was very pompous and arrogant and was mostly all about self promotion. He was never a true ambassador for the A-10 as some fools suggested.
Has anyone ever intra-conference poached? Ashley Howard would be a good candidate.

Are you kidding? Have you forgotten Baron already? There have been others as well. Satalin had earlier left SBU for Duquesne. It seems coaches in the past have really wanted out of Olean.

Sorry I choose not to remember those years...St. Joe's should make a run at Schmidt.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 5 years ago

ace wrote: ↑5 years ago

SBU nation just breathed a collective sigh of relief.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

Christian’s record at BC: 62-100 overall, 18-72 in conference play over five years.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 5 years ago

Jesus H....imagine if Al got half the leash that Christian has at BC

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 5 years ago

A lot of unemployed assistant coaches .... TJ might have to compete with some of them if Carroll doesn't return.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Da_Process_Survivor wrote: ↑5 years ago Jesus H....imagine if Al got half the leash that Christian has at BC

Al never quite "fit in" at BC.

Section104 · Unread post by **Section104** » 5 years ago

I wonder if Jameer Nelson gets a look at St. Joseph's...no coaching experience, but he's a local legend and was awfully close to the program all year. If he hired 3 strong assistants and a former head coach or two there could be worse hires.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

Al never liked the recruiting grind, either here or at BC.

His assistants did most of the leg work.

He seemed most comfortable hanging out at Casey's lol.....

Sweep The Leg · Unread post by **Sweep The Leg** » 5 years ago

steviep123 wrote: ↑5 years ago No love lost for the Klingon, especially after the injuries to Garrett and Iverson 3 years ago.

At least Phil now has time to reprise his role on Tales from the Crypt.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

Section104 wrote: ↑5 years ago I wonder if Jameer Nelson gets a look at St. Joseph's...no coaching experience, but he's a local legend and was awfully close to the program all year. If he hired 3 strong assistants and a former head coach or two there could be worse hires.

No, no and no. St Joe's is too impt a program for the A10, cannot make a completely experimental hire. I'm not sure people understand how difficult it is to be a college coach, Dave Cox had 20 years of assistant coach experience and look how big the jump is for him, its obvious he is learning on the job. Multiple that by 1,000 for a guy who has never done it before.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

Also not sure SJU wants to run off a legend then replace him with a guy who is so connected with him. Would think they’d want to wipe the slate totally clean, otherwise why did they run Martelli out in the first place?

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

I had heard a booster put up the $$$ for them to do it. Not sure if that was as an incentive, or to subsidize any buy out. Martelli also lost his father just a short time ago so not the best timing for this.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

I realize Martelli’s not a favorite here, but I know a lot of people who have been helped tremendously by him. I wish they could have arranged something like Dunphy and Temple did.

Section104 · Unread post by **Section104** » 5 years ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago
Section104 wrote: ↑5 years ago I wonder if Jameer Nelson gets a look at St. Joseph's...no coaching experience, but he's a local legend and was awfully close to the program all year. If he hired 3 strong assistants and a former head coach or two there could be worse hires.
No, no and no. St Joe's is too impt a program for the A10, cannot make a completely experimental hire. I'm not sure people understand how difficult it is to be a college coach, Dave Cox had 20 years of assistant coach experience and look how big the jump is for him, its obvious he is learning on the job. Multiple that by 1,000 for a guy who has never done it before.

I don't disagree. It's being floated around the St. Joe's board...

PillPushr · Unread post by **PillPushr** » 5 years ago

Mooney at Richmond is getting to be a Baron like situation. Everyone wants him out, but sounds like the school doesn't have the money to get rid of him.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

I think richmond has plenty of money

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

I always thought Mooney could coach....but recruiting is an issue.

He has gotten talented players, just not enough of them.

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