That is actually an interesting question.
rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 years ago Yeah I guess that's true. A rebuild takes several years...a reload much less.....
Fucking Pierre...tonight he went 1-6 from 3, making his last 2 games 1-14......
And that speaks to the benefits of having a good program, with things like facilities and budget and fan support and recruiting. I don’t think a good program ever truly goes through a rebuild. I also think URI has an advantage over Dayton last year in that they elevated a guy from within the program to take over. The first job of any new coach is assessing the talent and skills on the current roster. Cox had a leg up there. Grant is very much a Dayton guy, as a player, and a more experienced head coach, but there was still a lack of continuity and a learning curve with the roster.bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago The best comp, that is close to home, is Dayton.
Lost Archie plus Scoochie, Pollars, Cooke and Davis. Brought back Cunningham, Darryl Davis and young guys - look at their performance last season. That is similar to the situation we are in this year, I believe we will finish better than last year’s Dayton team.
I don't think they have to win the A10 final to make the NIT. And, still think there's a sliver of a shot @NCAAT by reaching the final (might have to go undefeated til then...but, hey...)hrstrat57 wrote: ↑5 years ago OP here
Just looked thru the prediction contest.
Most of you picked 18-12 or thereabouts with a winning conference record.
That's rebuild territory?
I saw this as a NIT team, and believe it is still possible. Coaching staff did a great scout job on today's game and prepared a nearly flawless game plan. Martin is playing at a very high level, Russell has made adjustments to his game emphasizing team ball and Dowtin is a fine floor general. Cutters moving towards Langevine made a few easy buckets possible. Thompson was solid too.
The Massachusetts and Duquesne losses were a bit of a perfect storm. (Hughes and Pierre) Thought the team played somewhat poorly I am tossing both of those losses out for now.
So I - the OP completely reject any rebuild talk. This team can still win the A10 tournament. If we reach the A10 final it's off to the NIT.
That is my obviously contrarian view and I am sticking to it.
Go Rhody.
And to take your first point a step further, there are a lot of fans here who have credited Cox with a large portion of our success over the past couple seasons. I've seen quite a few people say Cox is the reason for the good recruiting classes, Cox taught Dan how to run an offense, we went on a winning streak once Cox took over all scouts, etc. etc. So in my opinion, it can't be both. Cox can't be a large part of the reason why we were even good in the first place and then also have it called a total rebuild when he takes over as head coach. If anything it should be the opposite.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago If URI’s New Head Coach came from outside I might agree with you, but Cox was Dan Hurley’s Assistant Head Coach, he was very much involved with the recruitment of URI’s players and often the Lead Recruiter. Cox was Hurley’s recommendation.
Rebuilding Year sounds like something “invented” to lessen the expectations of this years team and to deflect any and all criticism of the new HC and program.
I have no problem with Cox as HC. I do have a problem with people getting defensive and upset whenever anything this commented on that could be viewed as critical. No secret that I have questioned Thompson’s starting position, his sometimes seeming lack of effort/hustle, his shooting efficiency........and that Martin should start. Calling it a “rebuilding” year seems to mean here to not question anything and wait til next season - this one is written off and the majority of you URI Prediction people were crazy predicting 20 or more wins. I differ. I still think URI has the potential to win the A10 and go to the NCAA. Rebuilding promoters seem to me to have already thrown in the towel and “wait til next year”
Several on this board have recommended Dowtin run the PG or at least lead the offense - we saw more of this yesterday. Also recommended Martin starting and getting more PT - has now happened. Also want Harris getting more minutes and let him go ahead and foul out - has not happened yet but hopefully will.
Next 9 games will tell the story. This team has the potential to win the A10, rebuilding year or no rebuilding year excuses.
Rebuilds go deeper than the coach.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years agoAnd to take your first point a step further, there are a lot of fans here who have credited Cox with a large portion of our success over the past couple seasons. I've seen quite a few people say Cox is the reason for the good recruiting classes, Cox taught Dan how to run an offense, we went on a winning streak once Cox took over all scouts, etc. etc. So in my opinion, it can't be both. Cox can't be a large part of the reason why we were even good in the first place and then also have it called a total rebuild when he takes over as head coach. If anything it should be the opposite.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago If URI’s New Head Coach came from outside I might agree with you, but Cox was Dan Hurley’s Assistant Head Coach, he was very much involved with the recruitment of URI’s players and often the Lead Recruiter. Cox was Hurley’s recommendation.
Rebuilding Year sounds like something “invented” to lessen the expectations of this years team and to deflect any and all criticism of the new HC and program.
I have no problem with Cox as HC. I do have a problem with people getting defensive and upset whenever anything this commented on that could be viewed as critical. No secret that I have questioned Thompson’s starting position, his sometimes seeming lack of effort/hustle, his shooting efficiency........and that Martin should start. Calling it a “rebuilding” year seems to mean here to not question anything and wait til next season - this one is written off and the majority of you URI Prediction people were crazy predicting 20 or more wins. I differ. I still think URI has the potential to win the A10 and go to the NCAA. Rebuilding promoters seem to me to have already thrown in the towel and “wait til next year”
Several on this board have recommended Dowtin run the PG or at least lead the offense - we saw more of this yesterday. Also recommended Martin starting and getting more PT - has now happened. Also want Harris getting more minutes and let him go ahead and foul out - has not happened yet but hopefully will.
Next 9 games will tell the story. This team has the potential to win the A10, rebuilding year or no rebuilding year excuses.
That’s fair. Lol never debated so much about the definition of a word in my life.rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 years ago How about we call it a "transition" year.....with new coach and staff, many new players, etc.
I tend to think most of the people saying those things were being- at worst- hurt, disingenuous assholes and- at best- wildly optimistic, but it is a lot to reconcile.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years agoAnd to take your first point a step further, there are a lot of fans here who have credited Cox with a large portion of our success over the past couple seasons. I've seen quite a few people say Cox is the reason for the good recruiting classes, Cox taught Dan how to run an offense, we went on a winning streak once Cox took over all scouts, etc. etc. So in my opinion, it can't be both. Cox can't be a large part of the reason why we were even good in the first place and then also have it called a total rebuild when he takes over as head coach. If anything it should be the opposite.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago If URI’s New Head Coach came from outside I might agree with you, but Cox was Dan Hurley’s Assistant Head Coach, he was very much involved with the recruitment of URI’s players and often the Lead Recruiter. Cox was Hurley’s recommendation.
Rebuilding Year sounds like something “invented” to lessen the expectations of this years team and to deflect any and all criticism of the new HC and program.
I have no problem with Cox as HC. I do have a problem with people getting defensive and upset whenever anything this commented on that could be viewed as critical. No secret that I have questioned Thompson’s starting position, his sometimes seeming lack of effort/hustle, his shooting efficiency........and that Martin should start. Calling it a “rebuilding” year seems to mean here to not question anything and wait til next season - this one is written off and the majority of you URI Prediction people were crazy predicting 20 or more wins. I differ. I still think URI has the potential to win the A10 and go to the NCAA. Rebuilding promoters seem to me to have already thrown in the towel and “wait til next year”
Several on this board have recommended Dowtin run the PG or at least lead the offense - we saw more of this yesterday. Also recommended Martin starting and getting more PT - has now happened. Also want Harris getting more minutes and let him go ahead and foul out - has not happened yet but hopefully will.
Next 9 games will tell the story. This team has the potential to win the A10, rebuilding year or no rebuilding year excuses.
To be clear, the Head Coach should get 60% of the credit when they win and 60% when they lose. The other 40% is reserved for execution.ace wrote: ↑5 years agoI tend to think most of the people saying those things were being- at worst- hurt, disingenuous assholes and- at best- wildly optimistic, but it is a lot to reconcile.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years agoAnd to take your first point a step further, there are a lot of fans here who have credited Cox with a large portion of our success over the past couple seasons. I've seen quite a few people say Cox is the reason for the good recruiting classes, Cox taught Dan how to run an offense, we went on a winning streak once Cox took over all scouts, etc. etc. So in my opinion, it can't be both. Cox can't be a large part of the reason why we were even good in the first place and then also have it called a total rebuild when he takes over as head coach. If anything it should be the opposite.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago If URI’s New Head Coach came from outside I might agree with you, but Cox was Dan Hurley’s Assistant Head Coach, he was very much involved with the recruitment of URI’s players and often the Lead Recruiter. Cox was Hurley’s recommendation.
Rebuilding Year sounds like something “invented” to lessen the expectations of this years team and to deflect any and all criticism of the new HC and program.
I have no problem with Cox as HC. I do have a problem with people getting defensive and upset whenever anything this commented on that could be viewed as critical. No secret that I have questioned Thompson’s starting position, his sometimes seeming lack of effort/hustle, his shooting efficiency........and that Martin should start. Calling it a “rebuilding” year seems to mean here to not question anything and wait til next season - this one is written off and the majority of you URI Prediction people were crazy predicting 20 or more wins. I differ. I still think URI has the potential to win the A10 and go to the NCAA. Rebuilding promoters seem to me to have already thrown in the towel and “wait til next year”
Several on this board have recommended Dowtin run the PG or at least lead the offense - we saw more of this yesterday. Also recommended Martin starting and getting more PT - has now happened. Also want Harris getting more minutes and let him go ahead and foul out - has not happened yet but hopefully will.
Next 9 games will tell the story. This team has the potential to win the A10, rebuilding year or no rebuilding year excuses.
When the hell have you given Cox 1% of the blame following a loss, let alone 60%? I literally called you out this week on putting all the blame on the players and you reiterated that the loss was their fault and not Cox'DC_Rams wrote: ↑5 years agoTo be clear, the Head Coach should get 60% of the credit when they win and 60% when they lose. The other 40% is reserved for execution.ace wrote: ↑5 years agoI tend to think most of the people saying those things were being- at worst- hurt, disingenuous assholes and- at best- wildly optimistic, but it is a lot to reconcile.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years ago
And to take your first point a step further, there are a lot of fans here who have credited Cox with a large portion of our success over the past couple seasons. I've seen quite a few people say Cox is the reason for the good recruiting classes, Cox taught Dan how to run an offense, we went on a winning streak once Cox took over all scouts, etc. etc. So in my opinion, it can't be both. Cox can't be a large part of the reason why we were even good in the first place and then also have it called a total rebuild when he takes over as head coach. If anything it should be the opposite.
You’ve already made up your mind, no sense in even talking to you. *peace*RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑5 years agoWhen the hell have you given Cox 1% of the blame following a loss, let alone 60%? I literally called you out this week on putting all the blame on the players and you reiterated that the loss was their fault and not Cox'
You're right. I have made up my mind that you're a honk that shouldn't be taken seriously. Someone that talks about how they support URI but only supports Cox. And now that I proved you wrong that's your lame responseDC_Rams wrote: ↑5 years agoYou’ve already made up your mind, no sense in even talking to you. *peace*RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑5 years agoWhen the hell have you given Cox 1% of the blame following a loss, let alone 60%? I literally called you out this week on putting all the blame on the players and you reiterated that the loss was their fault and not Cox'
I only support Cox? I would inherently have to support the team by default, even if that ignorant statement were true. I damn sure don’t need to explain my allegiances to you. I’m a fan, what fucking difference does it make in regards to what capacity it is. All this in fighting to prove a point about what and who I support is such a moot point. I love Rhody basketball and want to see them win at the end of the day. That is all that matters. Nonetheless, it’s clear you’re a fucking idiot and warrant zero further response from me other than “eat a ____”RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑5 years agoYou're right. I have made up my mind that you're a honk that shouldn't be taken seriously. Someone that talks about how they support URI but only supports Cox. And now that I proved you wrong that's your lame responseDC_Rams wrote: ↑5 years agoYou’ve already made up your mind, no sense in even talking to you. *peace*RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑5 years ago
When the hell have you given Cox 1% of the blame following a loss, let alone 60%? I literally called you out this week on putting all the blame on the players and you reiterated that the loss was their fault and not Cox'
And homophobic to boot. Get the hell out of hereDC_Rams wrote: ↑5 years agoI only support Cox? I would inherently have to support the team by default, even if that ignorant statement were true. I damn sure don’t need to explain my allegiances to you. I’m a fan, what fucking difference does it make in regards to what capacity it is. All this in fighting to prove a point about what and who I support is such a moot point. I love Rhody basketball and want to see them win at the end of the day. That is all that matters. Nonetheless, it’s clear you’re a fucking idiot and warrant zero further response from me other than “eat a ____”RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑5 years agoYou're right. I have made up my mind that you're a honk that shouldn't be taken seriously. Someone that talks about how they support URI but only supports Cox. And now that I proved you wrong that's your lame response
Signed,
A lame
ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago DC_Rams,
What is meant by a rebuild? I'm confused on this because URI was picked by A10 Coaches to finish 5th in the conference. That does not seem to be a rebuild to me. Being picked to finish 5th our of 14 Teams seems quite good and the team was viewed quite well. But it seems you mention "rebuild" as a reason to have patience and to an extent look the other way when mistakes or losses take place and we should never/or rarely criticize or question anything, fair statement?
PC has started 3 freshmen but I don't think they look at that as a rebuild
St Bonaventure and Davidson start 2 Freshmen but don't see them as in rebuild form. We only started 1 Freshman until recently and we consensus best recruiting class in the A10 for this season
If we want to say we have not played up to expectations of a 5th place in the A10 than that is true. Acting like it is ok to be in 7th or 8th place instead of 5th because we are in a rebuild year I suppose is your right to do so. I would say it's more because some players have not played to what the Coaching Staff and some of us expected from them.
I wanted Martin starting from Day 1 - he is showing everyone why. If he had started from Game 1 we would be that much stronger and further ahead
Thompson has disappointed many here. He has played about how I would have expected with the exception that his defense and hustle has been lacking more than I would have thought. His below average 28% on 3FGs and 63.6% FT are no surprise - similar to his last full year of play.
Dowtin only shooting 28% on 3's and Fatts only 18.9% on 3's gives us 3 guards with among the worst 3 point shooting performance in the Nation. Don't think this is so much due to rebuilding as much as they just have not shot well at all as a group.
Subbing Martin for Thompson took much too long imho. Should have happened before A10 started - it is very obvious to all now
No problem with Harris starting - just would like to see Cox play him more minutes. Today only 14 minutes with only 2 fouls. We need him playing 25-30 minutes if we are to make noise in the a10 Tournament. Can't win the A10 playing 4 guards.
Never mind the fact that I was minding my own business.theblueram wrote: ↑5 years ago I see DC has upped his rants from calling people just idiots to fucking idiots. class.
they lost their top 4 players
But Survivor,Da_Process_Survivor wrote: ↑5 years agothey lost their top 4 players
they have 4 freshmen
they lost their coach
they hired a rookie coach
how the living hell could anyone have expected anything other than a rebuilding season?!
Exactly, this is what I said somewhere up there. Once a program establishes itself as solid, they should never really enter a rebuild, as it’s commonly thought of. With the teams in this conference, URI should stay top half, except in an extreme situation, like multiple injuries. This season has been inconsistent, but they’re buoyed by those things, like recruiting results and a solid season ticket base, that recent success has earned them. And as for having a better “plan”- the plan of having two all-conference level starters and a top 30ish recruiting class is a pretty decent plan.Iggy1979 wrote: ↑5 years ago I like "reload" or "transition" too. I love the fact that the team, during a down year, will fall to the middle of the pack, not near the bottom. IF URI finishes 6th this year, then they're in the NCAA conversation by jumping 3 or 4 spots next year. That's do-able. The team will be more experienced and deeper.
I think it would be hard take anyone seriously who argued that Cox was like the Man Behind the Curtain and all of the success the program had recently was due entirely to him. But I also think it is fair to say that he deserves some credit for the contributions that he made while he was on Hurley’s staff, and in the minds of people who are as close to the program as you can get (primarily Dan and Thorr) his contributions were significant enough that they fingered him as the best guy to step in and try to keep it going. That doesn’t necessarily mean it is therefore reasonable to expect that he would bring the polish to the job on his first day that someone with more head coaching experience would have. You knew that when you hired him and it was part of the calculus when you made the hire.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years agoAnd to take your first point a step further, there are a lot of fans here who have credited Cox with a large portion of our success over the past couple seasons. I've seen quite a few people say Cox is the reason for the good recruiting classes, Cox taught Dan how to run an offense, we went on a winning streak once Cox took over all scouts, etc. etc. So in my opinion, it can't be both. Cox can't be a large part of the reason why we were even good in the first place and then also have it called a total rebuild when he takes over as head coach. If anything it should be the opposite.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago If URI’s New Head Coach came from outside I might agree with you, but Cox was Dan Hurley’s Assistant Head Coach, he was very much involved with the recruitment of URI’s players and often the Lead Recruiter. Cox was Hurley’s recommendation.
Rebuilding Year sounds like something “invented” to lessen the expectations of this years team and to deflect any and all criticism of the new HC and program.
I have no problem with Cox as HC. I do have a problem with people getting defensive and upset whenever anything this commented on that could be viewed as critical. No secret that I have questioned Thompson’s starting position, his sometimes seeming lack of effort/hustle, his shooting efficiency........and that Martin should start. Calling it a “rebuilding” year seems to mean here to not question anything and wait til next season - this one is written off and the majority of you URI Prediction people were crazy predicting 20 or more wins. I differ. I still think URI has the potential to win the A10 and go to the NCAA. Rebuilding promoters seem to me to have already thrown in the towel and “wait til next year”
Several on this board have recommended Dowtin run the PG or at least lead the offense - we saw more of this yesterday. Also recommended Martin starting and getting more PT - has now happened. Also want Harris getting more minutes and let him go ahead and foul out - has not happened yet but hopefully will.
Next 9 games will tell the story. This team has the potential to win the A10, rebuilding year or no rebuilding year excuses.
Of course Cox deserves credit as a contributor. I don’t know anyone who would argue that. And, there were only a handful of people, mainly in one awful thread, who credited Dave with it all (again, in their feelings or just being a willful jerk).TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years agoI think it would be hard take anyone seriously who argued that Cox was like the Man Behind the Curtain and all of the success the program had recently was due entirely to him. But I also think it is fair to say that he deserves some credit for the contributions that he made while he was on Hurley’s staff, and in the minds of people who are as close to the program as you can get (primarily Dan and Thorr) his contributions were significant enough that they fingered him as the best guy to step in and try to keep it going. That doesn’t necessarily mean it is therefore reasonable to expect that he would bring the polish to the job on his first day that someone with more head coaching experience would have. You knew that when you hired him and it was part of the calculus when you made the hire.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years agoAnd to take your first point a step further, there are a lot of fans here who have credited Cox with a large portion of our success over the past couple seasons. I've seen quite a few people say Cox is the reason for the good recruiting classes, Cox taught Dan how to run an offense, we went on a winning streak once Cox took over all scouts, etc. etc. So in my opinion, it can't be both. Cox can't be a large part of the reason why we were even good in the first place and then also have it called a total rebuild when he takes over as head coach. If anything it should be the opposite.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago If URI’s New Head Coach came from outside I might agree with you, but Cox was Dan Hurley’s Assistant Head Coach, he was very much involved with the recruitment of URI’s players and often the Lead Recruiter. Cox was Hurley’s recommendation.
Rebuilding Year sounds like something “invented” to lessen the expectations of this years team and to deflect any and all criticism of the new HC and program.
I have no problem with Cox as HC. I do have a problem with people getting defensive and upset whenever anything this commented on that could be viewed as critical. No secret that I have questioned Thompson’s starting position, his sometimes seeming lack of effort/hustle, his shooting efficiency........and that Martin should start. Calling it a “rebuilding” year seems to mean here to not question anything and wait til next season - this one is written off and the majority of you URI Prediction people were crazy predicting 20 or more wins. I differ. I still think URI has the potential to win the A10 and go to the NCAA. Rebuilding promoters seem to me to have already thrown in the towel and “wait til next year”
Several on this board have recommended Dowtin run the PG or at least lead the offense - we saw more of this yesterday. Also recommended Martin starting and getting more PT - has now happened. Also want Harris getting more minutes and let him go ahead and foul out - has not happened yet but hopefully will.
Next 9 games will tell the story. This team has the potential to win the A10, rebuilding year or no rebuilding year excuses.
