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You are mistaking my opinion of a sport for a criticism of a gender. That is both unfair and wrong. Try to be a little bit more nuanced in your thinking here.
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You say it is unfair and wrong.
Your opinion of your opinion.
Whatever.
Your opinion of your opinion.
Whatever.
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Look, I am a proud feminist. I would fight for a woman's right to play basketball, or any other sport. But that doesn't mean I have to pretend that there is no difference between the men's game and the women's game. And I think you can pretend to not see the difference because they don't play against each other, but someone that has seen as much of the game as you have should be able to appreciate the difference without seeing them on the same court at the same time.
Just as you wouldn't say that the Mt. St. Charles coach that won 35 state hockey titles in a row should be the next coach of the Bruins, I think being a very successful women's coach is not as good of preparation for coaching men as watching the men's game on TV. I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, but I honestly feel that way and would be willing to put real life money on it.
Just as you wouldn't say that the Mt. St. Charles coach that won 35 state hockey titles in a row should be the next coach of the Bruins, I think being a very successful women's coach is not as good of preparation for coaching men as watching the men's game on TV. I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, but I honestly feel that way and would be willing to put real life money on it.
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Haha "your opinion of your opinion." Aren't we all sharing our opinions of ours and others' opinions?
Back to the actual merits of the "Geno to UConn Men's team..."
No way in hell it happens. Maybe Geno could succeed, maybe he wouldn't. There is no upside for him in that move, so he would never make it. It would be a bad fit for him, and a bad hire for UConn because of all the unknowns in the equation of if he could be successful in the men's game. A lot of times people confuse "outside the box" thinking with actual good ideas. Just because an idea is outside the box does not mean it has any merit.
Back to the actual merits of the "Geno to UConn Men's team..."
No way in hell it happens. Maybe Geno could succeed, maybe he wouldn't. There is no upside for him in that move, so he would never make it. It would be a bad fit for him, and a bad hire for UConn because of all the unknowns in the equation of if he could be successful in the men's game. A lot of times people confuse "outside the box" thinking with actual good ideas. Just because an idea is outside the box does not mean it has any merit.
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I might argue that a coach like Geno knows more about fundamental basketball than a men's coach. Obviously a men's team would beat a women's team because they are bigger and more athletic. Women's teams generally play with better fundamentals, which are obviously taught to them by the coach.
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So, you think Bob Hurley is unqualified to coach at a different
level than high school?
Really?
Sure, the athletes are different and better, but the GAME IS THE SAME.
The court is the same size. The rules are the same.
Screens are screens, passing is passing and defensive fundamentals don't change.
The wildcard is how players would drop their pre- conceived notions
and buy into what the coach is selling.
NBA has giant egos and even bigger paychecks.
Tough for a guy like Pitino or Cal who relies on motivation and
intimidation of kids, to suddenly go to where players
think they have all the answers.
Big difference than college.
level than high school?
Really?
Sure, the athletes are different and better, but the GAME IS THE SAME.
The court is the same size. The rules are the same.
Screens are screens, passing is passing and defensive fundamentals don't change.
The wildcard is how players would drop their pre- conceived notions
and buy into what the coach is selling.
NBA has giant egos and even bigger paychecks.
Tough for a guy like Pitino or Cal who relies on motivation and
intimidation of kids, to suddenly go to where players
think they have all the answers.
Big difference than college.
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I think the argument about "fundamental" basketball when discussing men's vs. women/s basketball is an interesting one. For me, I see women's basketball as more "fundamental" taking the definition of the word that is synonymous with "basic."
Women's college basketball is more "basic" than men's. Less complex, happens at a slower speed, and makes it easier for fans (who generally speaking know less about the intricacies of the game than those who are coaching/playing it) who are watching to understand. Sometimes I get the impression when people say that women's college basketball is more "fundamental" or "fundamentally sound" than men's they mean it as a positive - I do not see it as such.
While I don't go as far as TP to suggest that he knows more about the men's game than Geno would, I do not think Geno would find immediate or large amounts of success as a men's coach.
Women's college basketball is more "basic" than men's. Less complex, happens at a slower speed, and makes it easier for fans (who generally speaking know less about the intricacies of the game than those who are coaching/playing it) who are watching to understand. Sometimes I get the impression when people say that women's college basketball is more "fundamental" or "fundamentally sound" than men's they mean it as a positive - I do not see it as such.
While I don't go as far as TP to suggest that he knows more about the men's game than Geno would, I do not think Geno would find immediate or large amounts of success as a men's coach.
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Well, I guess all those who say that about the women's game
must all just be full of shit and not know jack about basketball.
must all just be full of shit and not know jack about basketball.
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No, I think mostly the people that say women's basketball is more fundamental than men's basketball are of a certain generation, and the women's game reminds them of how the game was played 50 or 60 years ago when the athletes were not as big, strong, fast, athletic or skilled (specifically with respect to the ball handling of the guards) as they are now. And they like that. There is no accounting for taste, and people are entitled to like what they like.
But the men's game is not, from an X's and O's standpoint, just the women's game played with better athletes. The bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled players that I referenced before make the game wholly different from a strategy standpoint. The actions that women's teams run on offense would not work against the faster, stronger, longer athletes in the men's game. As a result, the actions on offense and the defensive schemes designed to stop them in the men's game are much more sophisticated than what occurs in the women's game. The court is functionally smaller for men than it is for women, even if the dimensions are the same, because the size and speed of the game.
But the men's game is not, from an X's and O's standpoint, just the women's game played with better athletes. The bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled players that I referenced before make the game wholly different from a strategy standpoint. The actions that women's teams run on offense would not work against the faster, stronger, longer athletes in the men's game. As a result, the actions on offense and the defensive schemes designed to stop them in the men's game are much more sophisticated than what occurs in the women's game. The court is functionally smaller for men than it is for women, even if the dimensions are the same, because the size and speed of the game.
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I don't think that's necessarily true (kind of frustrating how you always take opinions that differ from yours to their furthest extreme of absurdity).rodfromcranston wrote:Well, I guess all those who say that about the women's game
must all just be full of shit and not know jack about basketball.
I think the fundamentals - or "basics" are easier to see in the women's game, and also more necessary to building a winning team than they are in the men's game. There is less athletic variance in the women's game, fewer ways for teams to be assembled, etc. It is less interesting to me, and seeing the "fundamentals" or "basics" more clearly does not make it more appealing for me.
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Fundamentals are things that were taught to us when we were 8 years old. Shooting, passing, using a pivot foot, blocking out. These and many others are fundamentals taught by coaches. Dunking a basketball is not a fundamental. Let's take one. Obviously, Steph Curry shoots it better than anyone. But lots of women shoot it as well, if not better, than a lot of men. They practice it more. Just look at pre-game warmups. Women are shooting. Men are dunking. Yes, men shoot it too, but not as much. This still doesn't mean women can beat men. What it means is that they practice the fundamentals more. This goes back to the coach. If a men's coach spent more time on fundamentals, it might actually make today's men better players. I'd be interested to see FT %s of men's teams compared to women's teams.
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Well, it's a matter of what you like.
I think the game back in the 70's and 80's was a better
game.
Before Sports Center and MJ.
Watch an old Laker film or a Celtics film.
Watch UCLA under Wooden.
It was a beautiful game.
Now, it's everyone trying to dunk, passing is an
afterthought, everyone wants to be the star of the show.
Everyone want to crank up 3's, and the mid range game has vanished,
along with post play.
It's who's looking at the game and from what perspective.
Mine is from 55 years of playing, and watching basketball,
and it's evolution (?).
It's likely different from 20 and 30 something's viewpoint.
I think the game back in the 70's and 80's was a better
game.
Before Sports Center and MJ.
Watch an old Laker film or a Celtics film.
Watch UCLA under Wooden.
It was a beautiful game.
Now, it's everyone trying to dunk, passing is an
afterthought, everyone wants to be the star of the show.
Everyone want to crank up 3's, and the mid range game has vanished,
along with post play.
It's who's looking at the game and from what perspective.
Mine is from 55 years of playing, and watching basketball,
and it's evolution (?).
It's likely different from 20 and 30 something's viewpoint.
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I'll take a beautiful pass over a dunk anyday. I'd much rather watch a Pete Maravich or a John Stockton than a Dominique Wilkens. Dunking was fun when Dr. J did it, because not many people were doing it back then. Now everybody does it. Very few make beautiful passes anymore.rodfromcranston wrote:Well, it's a matter of what you like.
I think the game back in the 70's and 80's was a better
game.
Before Sports Center and MJ.
Watch an old Laker film or a Celtics film.
Watch UCLA under Wooden.
It was a beautiful game.
Now, it's everyone trying to dunk, passing is an
afterthought, everyone wants to be the star of the show.
Everyone want to crank up 3's, and the mid range game has vanished,
along with post play.
It's who's looking at the game and from what perspective.
Mine is from 55 years of playing, and watching basketball,
and it's evolution (?).
It's likely different from 20 and 30 something's viewpoint.
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Two big reasons why the game has changed so much: first, the increase of athleticism in the game has changed the way it is played on both ends, but more so on the defensive end. Basketball probably peaked in the Bird/Magic 80s from an aesthetic standpoint, but go watch some of it on youtube - compared to today it doesn't look like anyone is even attempting to play defense. Second, the way the game is played has been influenced by data and metrics - the mid-range didn't disappear because nobody can shoot from 15-18 feet, it disappeared because the numbers told coaches and players that that was the most inefficient way to score, followed closely by posting up a 7-footer.
If there was an efficiency to be gained - i.e., if it would help you win more - by playing the game the "old" way, somebody would be doing it by now, and they'd be winning. Evolution is not sentimental. It doesn't protect something because it was that way when you fell in love with it as a boy. Evolution is a steady and relentless march forward driven only by feedback of what works.
If there was an efficiency to be gained - i.e., if it would help you win more - by playing the game the "old" way, somebody would be doing it by now, and they'd be winning. Evolution is not sentimental. It doesn't protect something because it was that way when you fell in love with it as a boy. Evolution is a steady and relentless march forward driven only by feedback of what works.
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Except in soccer...where there is no evolution in scoring.TruePoint wrote:Two big reasons why the game has changed so much: first, the increase of athleticism in the game has changed the way it is played on both ends, but more so on the defensive end. Basketball probably peaked in the Bird/Magic 80s from an aesthetic standpoint, but go watch some of it on youtube - compared to today it doesn't look like anyone is even attempting to play defense. Second, the way the game is played has been influenced by data and metrics - the mid-range didn't disappear because nobody can shoot from 15-18 feet, it disappeared because the numbers told coaches and players that that was the most inefficient way to score, followed closely by posting up a 7-footer.
If there was an efficiency to be gained - i.e., if it would help you win more - by playing the game the "old" way, somebody would be doing it by now, and they'd be winning. Evolution is not sentimental. It doesn't protect something because it was that way when you fell in love with it as a boy. Evolution is a steady and relentless march forward driven only by feedback of what works.
Because of the great sentiment against it?
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Your insistence on going off-topic is unreal, but soccer evolves like everything else.
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I particularly enjoy the fact that Rod openly despises Donald Trump and yet, when criticized or challenged in any way, seems to draw from the same playbook -- calling names, cursing, threatening people, etc. It's fun.
The men's and women's games are completely different, from recruiting to actual coaching. Auriemma would be starting back at Square 1 as someone in his early 60s who has basically had his pick of top-5 recruits for 20-plus years. It would take him quite a while to overcome the perception problem presented by jumping from the women's game to the men's game and even longer to put a top-25 caliber product on the floor. By then he'd be pushing 70.
If and when Ollie does leave UConn, the next hire will be critical. It's still a very good program with a national pedigree, but one mistake could significantly damage that due to its change and step down in conference affiliation. There can't be too great a risk taken, and really, there won't need to be considering the potential candidate pool. It would be an excellent one.
The men's and women's games are completely different, from recruiting to actual coaching. Auriemma would be starting back at Square 1 as someone in his early 60s who has basically had his pick of top-5 recruits for 20-plus years. It would take him quite a while to overcome the perception problem presented by jumping from the women's game to the men's game and even longer to put a top-25 caliber product on the floor. By then he'd be pushing 70.
If and when Ollie does leave UConn, the next hire will be critical. It's still a very good program with a national pedigree, but one mistake could significantly damage that due to its change and step down in conference affiliation. There can't be too great a risk taken, and really, there won't need to be considering the potential candidate pool. It would be an excellent one.
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And I particularly enjoy when you the troll only
post after my posts.
Was wondering when you were going to show up.
Folks, look this guy's posts up.
Nearly EVERY post has my name in it.
Obsess much?Oh, 3 Whatevers, who did I threaten?
Pretty sure this guy and Eli are the same person.
Same M.O.
post after my posts.
Was wondering when you were going to show up.
Folks, look this guy's posts up.
Nearly EVERY post has my name in it.
Obsess much?Oh, 3 Whatevers, who did I threaten?
Pretty sure this guy and Eli are the same person.
Same M.O.
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Speaking of defense, I guess you never saw Bill Russell mor Wilt Chamberlain.TruePoint wrote:Two big reasons why the game has changed so much: first, the increase of athleticism in the game has changed the way it is played on both ends, but more so on the defensive end. Basketball probably peaked in the Bird/Magic 80s from an aesthetic standpoint, but go watch some of it on youtube - compared to today it doesn't look like anyone is even attempting to play defense. Second, the way the game is played has been influenced by data and metrics - the mid-range didn't disappear because nobody can shoot from 15-18 feet, it disappeared because the numbers told coaches and players that that was the most inefficient way to score, followed closely by posting up a 7-footer.
If there was an efficiency to be gained - i.e., if it would help you win more - by playing the game the "old" way, somebody would be doing it by now, and they'd be winning. Evolution is not sentimental. It doesn't protect something because it was that way when you fell in love with it as a boy. Evolution is a steady and relentless march forward driven only by feedback of what works.
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How about KC Jones, Paul Silas, among others, who were defensive
specialists?
specialists?
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I think the argument that the game has lost fundamentals is an argument from the 90s. I agree that some guys are shockingly bad at basketball for people that claim it as a profession, but those players are not an indication of the game as a whole.
Something I didn't know about Kevin Ollie is that he played his high school basketball in LA. Knowing that and the Lakers hopes to land OKC's stars seems like a no brainer. Also factoring in Brad Stevens success and the Lakers youth.
I personally think Gino could coach the men's game, but not because its like the women's game. He could do it because I don't think it is rocket science. I just played against two guys that started on a Sweet Sixteen team this year and I did good. I should not be doing remotely good against players like that at my age.
Something I didn't know about Kevin Ollie is that he played his high school basketball in LA. Knowing that and the Lakers hopes to land OKC's stars seems like a no brainer. Also factoring in Brad Stevens success and the Lakers youth.
I personally think Gino could coach the men's game, but not because its like the women's game. He could do it because I don't think it is rocket science. I just played against two guys that started on a Sweet Sixteen team this year and I did good. I should not be doing remotely good against players like that at my age.
I want to change my name to BlockIslandFerry
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Is this middle school debate club? You aren't going to get me to denigrate two all-time great players. Technically no, I never saw either guy play during their careers - they were both out of basketball for 10-15 years before I was born. But I have seen plenty of video, and as with every basketball fan, I know all about them and where they fit in historically. But my point is not that there were no good defenders in prior eras. Those guys and the guys rod mentioned and many others were very good defenders relative to their peers. And if they played in the modern era, they'd both likely be great players because they would have the same benefits of advances in diet, training and equipment as the players today have. But the existence of guys that were good defensive players is totally beside the point. Overall, basketball players were less athletic, not as strong, not as big, not as fast, not as conditioned as modern players, which made the game much easier for skilled players. Anyone that has played any amount of basketball should be able to understand how much more difficult it is to do the fundamental things you try to do on a basketball court when you're being defended by a great athlete compared to an average one. And that's the only point, not that there weren't players who dominated on the defensive end in prior eras.Billyboy78 wrote:Speaking of defense, I guess you never saw Bill Russell mor Wilt Chamberlain.TruePoint wrote:Two big reasons why the game has changed so much: first, the increase of athleticism in the game has changed the way it is played on both ends, but more so on the defensive end. Basketball probably peaked in the Bird/Magic 80s from an aesthetic standpoint, but go watch some of it on youtube - compared to today it doesn't look like anyone is even attempting to play defense. Second, the way the game is played has been influenced by data and metrics - the mid-range didn't disappear because nobody can shoot from 15-18 feet, it disappeared because the numbers told coaches and players that that was the most inefficient way to score, followed closely by posting up a 7-footer.
If there was an efficiency to be gained - i.e., if it would help you win more - by playing the game the "old" way, somebody would be doing it by now, and they'd be winning. Evolution is not sentimental. It doesn't protect something because it was that way when you fell in love with it as a boy. Evolution is a steady and relentless march forward driven only by feedback of what works.
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OK, since I'm the one who started this whole "Geno to UCONN men's job idea," here's a few points of clarification:TruePoint wrote:I like how because I don't have the same (hilariously wrong) opinion as you do, I am ignorant and my post is a dumb ass post. I have absolutely zero disdain for women's basketball. What I have disdain for is the delusional narrative pedaled by ESPN and women's game honks that the game is the equal of the men's game. It isn't, nobody with a real clue thinks that it is, and even the people pushing it as such know that it isn't - which is why the men's champion doesn't play the women's champion in the grand championship game. Think about what that game would look like.rodfromcranston wrote:Here goes TP's dumb ass post of the day.
His disdain for women's sports knows no bounds.
Geno in one second knows more about the game than
His Ignorance does in his entire life.
PMM, I actually thought of the same idea as you.
Outside the box thinking.
Geno is a great teacher of the game, and fundamentally,
he's miles ahead of any men's coach.
The only drawback I see would be in recruiting,
until Geno got to know what's what in men's recruiting.
UConn would scoop the national headline for years to come.
There is as much basis for thinking a women's basketball coach could coach a men's team as there is to think a volleyball or badminton coach could do it. The two sports are entirely different. They have a common origin, but they're played completely differently. That isn't an insult to the women's game, it is just the factual reality. I am sorry if you find reality offensive.
1) I never predicted that it would happen.
2) To say the two sports (women's and men's basketball) are quote "entirely different." Well that's just flat out inaccurate. You can say that maybe that there are some nuanced differences. But entirely different???? How so? Please clarify how the game would be coached and taught differently.
3) Do I think the women's game is a better game than the men's game? No.
4) Do we know if Geno would be successful on the men's side? None of us know. My hunch would be is that he'd hire a great staff who know how to recruit. I think Geno would be fine with the x's and o's. Managing the egos and personalities of the guys vs. the gals. Probably an adjustment.
5) My guess is that if there's a women's coach that could transition to the men's side and be successful that he might have the best shot. That's not a prediction but again, it hasn't been done a major level. And until somebody tries to do it, we're all just speculating and giving our opinions.
6) "The men's champion doesn't play the women's champion in the grand championship game. Think about what that game would look like." I don't know a single (sane) person who says the women's players are even close to as good as the men or thinks that the 2 champions should be play each other and it wouldn't be an 80-point slaughter. What in the world are making that statement for in the first place??!!! What's does that have to do with whether Jagbag Geno could coach the UCONN men?
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Gen is smart enough to enjoy what he has. If he switched he'd to the men's team, he'd be expected to replicate his insane success. Maybe he could. But a 25 win season would be treated as a disappointment.
He is the best ever where he is,
He is the best ever where he is,
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Well this is adorable-
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I'm getting old when I saw his father play...one of the most brilliant players, no weaknesses.
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Only his bones.....Ramblinrose wrote:I'm getting old when I saw his father play...one of the most brilliant players, no weaknesses.
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The game on the court from an X's and O's standpoint is still comparable, even if playing styles are different. The biggest difference between men's and women's is team-building. You aren't going to get Anthony Davis on your roster and know he'll be on your team for 4 years and win 3 POY Awards and dominate the game year after year. If someone like Geno were able to bring in competent recruiters to maintain UCONN's current recruiting success, and he were able to get them to buy into the system (many men's players like less structure in the offense), he could find success. But he'd have to work 100x harder than he does now, and that's why he would never, ever make the jump.PlayMikeMotenMore wrote:OK, since I'm the one who started this whole "Geno to UCONN men's job idea," here's a few points of clarification:TruePoint wrote:I like how because I don't have the same (hilariously wrong) opinion as you do, I am ignorant and my post is a dumb ass post. I have absolutely zero disdain for women's basketball. What I have disdain for is the delusional narrative pedaled by ESPN and women's game honks that the game is the equal of the men's game. It isn't, nobody with a real clue thinks that it is, and even the people pushing it as such know that it isn't - which is why the men's champion doesn't play the women's champion in the grand championship game. Think about what that game would look like.rodfromcranston wrote:Here goes TP's dumb ass post of the day.
His disdain for women's sports knows no bounds.
Geno in one second knows more about the game than
His Ignorance does in his entire life.
PMM, I actually thought of the same idea as you.
Outside the box thinking.
Geno is a great teacher of the game, and fundamentally,
he's miles ahead of any men's coach.
The only drawback I see would be in recruiting,
until Geno got to know what's what in men's recruiting.
UConn would scoop the national headline for years to come.
There is as much basis for thinking a women's basketball coach could coach a men's team as there is to think a volleyball or badminton coach could do it. The two sports are entirely different. They have a common origin, but they're played completely differently. That isn't an insult to the women's game, it is just the factual reality. I am sorry if you find reality offensive.
1) I never predicted that it would happen.
2) To say the two sports (women's and men's basketball) are quote "entirely different." Well that's just flat out inaccurate. You can say that maybe that there are some nuanced differences. But entirely different???? How so? Please clarify how the game would be coached and taught differently.
3) Do I think the women's game is a better game than the men's game? No.
4) Do we know if Geno would be successful on the men's side? None of us know. My hunch would be is that he'd hire a great staff who know how to recruit. I think Geno would be fine with the x's and o's. Managing the egos and personalities of the guys vs. the gals. Probably an adjustment.
5) My guess is that if there's a women's coach that could transition to the men's side and be successful that he might have the best shot. That's not a prediction but again, it hasn't been done a major level. And until somebody tries to do it, we're all just speculating and giving our opinions.
6) "The men's champion doesn't play the women's champion in the grand championship game. Think about what that game would look like." I don't know a single (sane) person who says the women's players are even close to as good as the men or thinks that the 2 champions should be play each other and it wouldn't be an 80-point slaughter. What in the world are making that statement for in the first place??!!! What's does that have to do with whether Jagbag Geno could coach the UCONN men?
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Geno won't do it because he doesn't think he could get men to consistently buy into his system. I don't think it would be possible to work 100 times harder than Geno already does.
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Nobody knows how hard Geno works. I'm guessing he's worked pretty hard to make UCONN the most dominant women's basketball program in history. He didn't just wave a magic wand or wish it to take place.Iggy1979 wrote:Geno won't do it because he doesn't think he could get men to consistently buy into his system. I don't think it would be possible to work 100 times harder than Geno already does.
Does Mike Martin at Brown work harder than Bill Self, Thad Matta, or Sean Miller?
And none of us know why or if Geno would go over to the men's game...whatever his reasons may be.
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100 times is an exagerration, but I think the rigors of recruiting would be drastically different. I think right now UCONN benefits from their stature, many girls who want to play for the best and are honored to be considered to play for the best. Geno has publically stated that he used to just recruit one year at a time, whereas other coaches would recruit 3 or 4 years out. That likely changed because of a recent rule change regarding official visits from HS juniors. Also, most classes he has are locked up by November. He'd show up, people drool over him, and he puts in some work to lure girls but his success sells itself. Now, to some extent the men's bluebloods benefit from this, but even Duke and Kentucky battle. They also have to worry about one-and-dones so they have to find almost 5 or 6 potential recruits a year to fill out a quality roster. Even by luring strong recruiters, Geno would still have to spend significant parts of his spring and summer selling himself and his program at AAU events around the country. He probably hasn't had to do that since very early into his tenure at UCONN, 20+ years ago. I think the stress of the recruiting game would far surpass anything he's had to deal with recently.Iggy1979 wrote: I don't think it would be possible to work 100 times harder than Geno already does.
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Is Kevin Ollie in trouble? What did I miss?
Gen wouldn't have to work harder. Just differently in dealing with a different player mentality. I remember how rude, entitledand sloth like the URI players were under Jerry D. And none of those guys ... lows like Me bury and TBell ...did much after URI. UT they were convinced of their own greatness.
Geno is the best ever in his role. Why would he switch it up now? Why would UCONN hire him if experienced men's coaches were on their list.
Gen wouldn't have to work harder. Just differently in dealing with a different player mentality. I remember how rude, entitledand sloth like the URI players were under Jerry D. And none of those guys ... lows like Me bury and TBell ...did much after URI. UT they were convinced of their own greatness.
Geno is the best ever in his role. Why would he switch it up now? Why would UCONN hire him if experienced men's coaches were on their list.
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I think T Bell had a nice run with the Trotters......Marbury prob not so much (Me Bury.....ha ha good one @ramblinrose )
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Ollie was rumored for the Lakers job when this discussion started. Obviously not happening anymore.Ramblinrose wrote:Is Kevin Ollie in trouble? What did I miss?
Gen wouldn't have to work harder. Just differently in dealing with a different player mentality. I remember how rude, entitledand sloth like the URI players were under Jerry D. And none of those guys ... lows like Me bury and TBell ...did much after URI. UT they were convinced of their own greatness.
Geno is the best ever in his role. Why would he switch it up now? Why would UCONN hire him if experienced men's coaches were on their list.
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His name will keep surfacing though for NBA gigs, given his long playing career there and (so far) really good performance at UConn.adam914 wrote:Ollie was rumored for the Lakers job when this discussion started. Obviously not happening anymore.Ramblinrose wrote:Is Kevin Ollie in trouble? What did I miss?
Gen wouldn't have to work harder. Just differently in dealing with a different player mentality. I remember how rude, entitledand sloth like the URI players were under Jerry D. And none of those guys ... lows like Me bury and TBell ...did much after URI. UT they were convinced of their own greatness.
Geno is the best ever in his role. Why would he switch it up now? Why would UCONN hire him if experienced men's coaches were on their list.
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The Globetrotters are a clown act with players not good enough for the NBA.
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^ Newsflash?
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Oh yeah, no doubt about it.SGreenwell wrote:His name will keep surfacing though for NBA gigs, given his long playing career there and (so far) really good performance at UConn.adam914 wrote:Ollie was rumored for the Lakers job when this discussion started. Obviously not happening anymore.Ramblinrose wrote:Is Kevin Ollie in trouble? What did I miss?
Gen wouldn't have to work harder. Just differently in dealing with a different player mentality. I remember how rude, entitledand sloth like the URI players were under Jerry D. And none of those guys ... lows like Me bury and TBell ...did much after URI. UT they were convinced of their own greatness.
Geno is the best ever in his role. Why would he switch it up now? Why would UCONN hire him if experienced men's coaches were on their list.
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Nobody knows nothin'PlayMikeMotenMore wrote:Nobody knows how hard Geno works. I'm guessing he's worked pretty hard to make UCONN the most dominant women's basketball program in history. He didn't just wave a magic wand or wish it to take place.Iggy1979 wrote:Geno won't do it because he doesn't think he could get men to consistently buy into his system. I don't think it would be possible to work 100 times harder than Geno already does.
Does Mike Martin at Brown work harder than Bill Self, Thad Matta, or Sean Miller?
And none of us know why or if Geno would go over to the men's game...whatever his reasons may be.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... u-mustangs
Larry Brown stepping down as SMU coach, no details yet as to why. Assistant Tim Jankovich will be taking over for him.
Larry Brown stepping down as SMU coach, no details yet as to why. Assistant Tim Jankovich will be taking over for him.
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Has Pat Clarke ended up anywhere? Must be tough without CFL in the Division I ranks anymore....
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You would've thought after naming him interim HC that Canisius would find a spot for him.URIGONZO wrote:Has Pat Clarke ended up anywhere? Must be tough without CFL in the Division I ranks anymore....
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Looks like there isn't a spot for Pat Clarke after all...
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I hope Baron is taking care of his loyal friend especially given the abrupt nature of his resignation.
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If Pitino knew...should he be gone? If he didn't know...should he be even more gone?
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Should be four-game suspension, regardless.
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I am surprised he is still there
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Interesting article on the agents behind the coaches. When there's a discrepancy on whether a school showed interest in a particular coach, I think it comes down to what level you describe as "interest." An agent can field a call from a school, but if his client has already said he's not interested, that's still "interest" from the school to me. The Underwood angle, and how quickly it all shifted, was good.
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