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Future is bright for both URI and PC moving forward.

I know nobody wants to hear it but a core of Makai Ashton-Langford (38th ESPN Top 100 '17), AJ Reeves (53rd ESPN Top 100 '18) and David Duke (54th ESPN Top 100 '18) is pretty damn good.

reef wrote:Never doubt ECR sources

Goes to show what happens when I trust a PC fan

GO RHODY

STC wrote:Future is bright for both URI and PC moving forward.

I know nobody wants to hear it but a core of Makai Ashton-Langford (38th ESPN Top 100 '17), AJ Reeves (53rd ESPN Top 100 '18) and David Duke (54th ESPN Top 100 '18) is pretty damn good.

It is pretty good. And I still question the character of anyone that goes to Providence, whether for sports or not. As far as I'm concerned, all these guys have character red flags. Hope it doesn't work out for them.

Sucks that he'll never get to feel what it's like to go to a real college to. It's arguably the best (or at least most fun) four years of your life, so having to spend it at PC is a real shame.

PC currently 8th and Rhody currently 16th.

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Baske ... amRankings

Providence native Cooley gets Providence native Duke good for them. This rivalry will take a few steps up these next 5 years. I think we will have a couple of ranked matchups too

Rhody83 wrote:PC currently 8th and Rhody currently 16th.

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Baske ... amRankings

This is an exciting time for the state. I hope both coaches stay put for at least the next few years.

Interesting after reading the PC boards take on the Duke commitment, there is more URI discussion then Duke conversation lol. To say URI is in their heads is an understatement.

URI vs PC is always better when both teams are good. This rivalry will be great for the next 4 years.

Diallo clearly got recruited over this cycle for them, wonder if he see's the writing in the wall with the three mass Rivals players.

IMO it’s more Maliek white who got recruited over
He’ll prob be a transfer candidate if he doesn’t have a huge soph year

bigappleram wrote:IMO it’s more Maliek white who got recruited over
He’ll prob be a transfer candidate if he doesn’t have a huge soph year

I don't know apple I don't see it as any different then having Dowtin and Russell and recruiting Adams. Competition is a good thing. I also think it is a good thing to have three capable ball handlers which both teams now will have.

I don't know about the rest of you guys on this board but based on the videos I have seen on our 2 guard recruits yours truly is very happy. We will be very solid the next 4 years with the guys now on board.

CT Rhody wrote:Diallo clearly got recruited over this cycle for them, wonder if he see's the writing in the wall with the three mass Rivals players.

Diablo is a 2/3 and Duke is a Point/ 2 not sure it has that big of a impact on him. But competition is a good thing.

woodennickel1 wrote:

CT Rhody wrote:Diallo clearly got recruited over this cycle for them, wonder if he see's the writing in the wall with the three mass Rivals players.

Diablo is a 2/3 and Duke is a Point/ 2 not sure it has that big of a impact on him. But competition is a good thing.

Referring more to Reeves than Duke.

CT Rhody wrote:

woodennickel1 wrote:

CT Rhody wrote:Diallo clearly got recruited over this cycle for them, wonder if he see's the writing in the wall with the three mass Rivals players.

Diablo is a 2/3 and Duke is a Point/ 2 not sure it has that big of a impact on him. But competition is a good thing.

Referring more to Reeves than Duke.

Think they are counting on Reeves to be the replacement for Jalen Linsey. Diallo will still get plenty of minutes i believe.

Jon Rothstein getting slammed on Twitter for being so cluless with comment “David Duke. Remember the name.”
PC won 113-46. Good competition

Its a funny coincidence but in the end its his name and jons right, kids gonna be good. People need to relax.

I can tell you in all seriousness that I do not like this kid for going by David Duke. Sure, he didn’t name himself (and his parents are either clueless morons or bad people), but if I was named after someone like that I’m 200% positive I’d be using some variation or just going by my middle name. Like, he can’t call himself “Dave”?

Duke is named after his father.
Don't think it makes them morons or bad people for naming their son after his father.

I do if his father is named David Duke.

rjsuperfly66 wrote:Duke is named after his father.
Don't think it makes them morons or bad people for naming their son after his father.

Yeah, I agree whats so bad or moronic for naming your black child after a man who is a self admitted white supremacist, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, convicted felon, and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Seems logical to me.

He may have been born in Liberia ......I know his parents were.....

There's no way his parents knew who David Duke was.

So stupid.

The other David Duke is irrelevant and always has been irrelevant.

He will at least make everyone at PC love the name.

Can't say I'll love the name this December and beyond....

Let's forget the name issue and look at the rankings of the ESPN top 100. MAL ranked at 37, Reeves at 53 and Duke at 54: based on MAL's performance last season I must seriously question all of ESPN's rankngs higher the the top 15-20. In any event it is like I am from Missouri the "Show Me State" so I am quite happy with Jeff Dowtin and Fatts starting in our backcourt for the next two years. I don't know and don't care what their rankings were since I am impressed with what I have seen on the court!

eli#10 wrote:Let's forget the name issue and look at the rankings of the ESPN top 100. MAL ranked at 37, Reeves at 53 and Duke at 54: based on MAL's performance last season I must seriously question all of ESPN's rankngs higher the the top 15-20. In any event it is like I am from Missouri the "Show Me State" so I am quite happy with Jeff Dowtin and Fatts starting in our backcourt for the next two years. I don't know and don't care what their rankings were since I am impressed with what I have seen on the court!

You really should question their rankings. Once ESPN canned most of their college basketball staff, the time and energy put into recruiting has taken a hit. Half of their top-100 players don't even have player scouting reports, they only list a fraction of the offers for those kids. Take Naheem McLeod for example - ESPN has him ranked 77 whereas Rivals doesn't have him in their top 150 and 247 has him ranked 127.

RhodyKyle wrote:

eli#10 wrote:Let's forget the name issue and look at the rankings of the ESPN top 100. MAL ranked at 37, Reeves at 53 and Duke at 54: based on MAL's performance last season I must seriously question all of ESPN's rankngs higher the the top 15-20. In any event it is like I am from Missouri the "Show Me State" so I am quite happy with Jeff Dowtin and Fatts starting in our backcourt for the next two years. I don't know and don't care what their rankings were since I am impressed with what I have seen on the court!

You really should question their rankings. Once ESPN canned most of their college basketball staff, the time and energy put into recruiting has taken a hit. Half of their top-100 players don't even have player scouting reports, they only list a fraction of the offers for those kids. Take Naheem McLeod for example - ESPN has him ranked 77 whereas Rivals doesn't have him in their top 150 and 247 has him ranked 127.

I agree ESPN rankings suck. However, regarding MAL, Duke, Reeves, Dowtin & Fatts the other rating services have them slotted similarly. I use the Composite 247 because it factors in all the major rating services. Below are the ratings for the key players in PC’s and URI’s last three classes:

Diallo 117
White 127
Young 398

MAL 41
Watson 100
Dickens 143

Duke 47
Reeves 48

Dowtin 273
Cyril 326

Fatts 198

Harris 82
Tate 215
Martin 220

This shows you that rankings are off. Based on college performance rate the 2016 & 17 classes combined.
Here are my ratings.
Diallo
Dowtin
Fatts
Watson
Cyril
MAL
Young
White

I have MAL 6th and White 8th the 247 rankings had them 1st and 4th with MAL being the only Top 50 player. I have Dowtin 2nd the 247 rankings had him 6th (last amoung the non-big men).

Rankings are based on who they think will be the best college player over four years, not one season.
There are some players who have translateable skills -- A player who can shoot will always be able to shoot, for example.
They might put up solid numbers year 1, but their upside potential might be limited because of other skills that are harder to change (height, wingspan, body type, athleticism, etc.).
Some guys need a year or two to develop those additional skills and be able to pair them with their height, wingspan, athleticism, etc.
Other guys never develop -- It's the risk of taking a prospect based on their ceiling.
Even then, a Top 50 prospect who never develops likely has enough tools to still be a solid rotation player.
That's much different than recruit #300 who never develops who likely should be playing low-D1.

Outside of the Top 20-25 kids rankings are based on very small sample sizes, with “scouts” of varying competencies making these judgments for the various services. There is so much margin of error it’s not funny. That’s why most coaches throw them out the window and make their own Top 150. Dan spoke about his staff doing that, and it’s the same across most staffs.

I've said this before. I think Reeves will be a much better player than Duke at PC.

bigappleram wrote:Outside of the Top 20-25 kids rankings are based on very small sample sizes, with “scouts” of varying competencies making these judgments for the various services. There is so much margin of error it’s not funny. That’s why most coaches throw them out the window and make their own Top 150. Dan spoke about his staff doing that, and it’s the same across most staffs.

Honestly, that's why I use the 24/7 rankings, because at least you can get a "consensus" average versus 1 resource over the other. The only problem with that is that not everyone updates their rankings at the same time. But if 10 sources rate players and 10 say a player is not a Top 100 player, than that player is likely not a Top 100 player, at least heading into college where obviously development can change that.

I used 247 as well. I do think its fair to judge a player after two full years. I think we have a pretty good guage on Diallo, Dowtin, Langevine, Young and White.

Let’s see how Fatts and MAL do this year. MAL has the potential to have a breakout year. His outside shot and FT shooting could hurt him. I think Watson has already proved himself.

The point of my post was to show someone like Dowtin ranked 273 and he had a significant impact on a Tournament team his Fr & Soph years. Could be first team A10 as a Jr. He is and will be after 4 years better than White who was rated 150 positions ahead of him.

I do think who the player has offers from can be a better indication but can still be way off. Dowtin’s best offers - Rhody & Rutgers. Fatts’ best offers - Seton Hall, Rhody, LaSalle & ECU. They had Fatts as 37th PG. He made all 2nd team at the Peach Jam.

The thing that hurt Fatts is his size. He's shown the ability to produce, and he's quick as hell and feisty on defense. Teams want those skills but in a guy 6-8 inches taller. If Fatts was 6'3/6'4, he's probably a Top 50 recruit given his accolades. He's never going to get taller. On the other side you have someone like MAL. He's 6'3, but doesn't have the production of Fatts. But, those are things he may be able to change. That's why he was a Top 40 recruit, the forecast of what he can be if he develops the skills necessary to be there. That's the real reality of why recruiting is an imperfect science -- to some extent you are relying on the coaches ability to develop that talent and the players ability to accept the coaching and work hard to develop those skills.

Sometimes the player works hard but just doesn’t have the skills to meet the “projection”. Teams have to be careful regarding how many players they take that need to develop to meet their expectations. There are plenty that don’t achieve the projected development level. I would think there is less risk on a Top 50 player and the amount of development needed to reach their rating.

That's amazing JD 273 and Cyril 326 good job by our staff to discover those guys and make our own rankings

I thought this was a joke when I heard he declared for the NBA. He's not even close to being good enough. Sad to see these kids getting their heads filled with nonsense. He's not even close to having a skill set of NBA guys like Ryan Gomes & Chris Dunn who were better while at PC than this guy.

I wonder how that conversation went down with Coach Cooley. Does Cooley say are you sure?

My guess is David made the decision without Cooley’s input.

The Dude wrote: ↑3 years ago I thought this was a joke when I heard he declared for the NBA. He's not even close to being good enough. Sad to see these kids getting their heads filled with nonsense. He's not even close to having a skill set of NBA guys like Ryan Gomes & Chris Dunn who were better while at PC than this guy.

I always take it more as "done with college" than anything else. He can make money playing pro basketball somewhere, and if he can't get drafted this year as a 21/22 year old, he's not going to get drafted next year at 22/23.

His stock definitely took a hit this year may have been wiser to come out last year ??

For a lot of these guys, going to school is just a front to play ball.

Academics aren't exactly a priority.

rambone 78 wrote: ↑3 years ago For a lot of these guys, going to school is just a front to play ball.

Academics aren't exactly a priority.

It's not really a priority for most coaches and schools involved in collegiate athletics either, so let's not pretend it's a one-way street.

Speaking of academics there was an article in the New York Post a few days ago about transfers. It cited a player from St Bonaventure (I cannot remember the name) who had transferred to Hofstra. The player was at Bonaventure for one year and had lost 1/2 of his credits upon enrolling at Hofstra. This certainly begs the question as to what courses the player had taken at Bonaventure. The concern cited was whether the player would have enough time to graduate as he had already sat out a year at Hofstra. I think a bigger concern is to see what courses were taken that were not accepted by Hofstra. What is going on with the Bonnies and their eligibility requirements?

Welding certificate no good at Hofstra?

I think a good move that has been popular is to transfer to a better situation and have a good year. Then you show your potential and make an excuse for the bad.

I don't believe the Bonnies are accredited. Thus the loss of credits upon transfer.

ATPTourFan wrote: ↑3 years ago Welding certificate no good at Hofstra?

Ha, that is a deep pull at this point, but I hope others got it. (And if you're a newcomer, go here.)

SGreenwell wrote: ↑3 years ago

ATPTourFan wrote: ↑3 years ago Welding certificate no good at Hofstra?

Ha, that is a deep pull at this point, but I hope others got it. (And if you're a newcomer, go here.)

I love the bold portion of this excerpt from the story Steve shared. I wonder how well it would work at home or at work, .

David Ferguson, a school spokesman, said yesterday the decision was based on [President] Wickenheiser's desire to help a promising young man as well as a "difference in interpretation of the relative importance of certain sections of the guidelines."

eli#10 wrote: ↑3 years ago Speaking of academics there was an article in the New York Post a few days ago about transfers. It cited a player from St Bonaventure (I cannot remember the name) who had transferred to Hofstra. The player was at Bonaventure for one year and had lost 1/2 of his credits upon enrolling at Hofstra. This certainly begs the question as to what courses the player had taken at Bonaventure. The concern cited was whether the player would have enough time to graduate as he had already sat out a year at Hofstra. I think a bigger concern is to see what courses were taken that were not accepted by Hofstra. What is going on with the Bonnies and their eligibility requirements?

It was Tareq Coburn and it was pretty recent being long after the 2003 welding certificate scandal. He left St Bonaventure after his freshman year (2016-17) and transferred to Hofstra. According to the NY Post:

When Coburn transferred, he lost half of his credits

https://nypost.com/2021/04/03/college-b ... er-portal/