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Re: '15 VA PF Leroy Butts (URI Signed LOI)

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It took long enough to get someone to either
inquire and/or answer the question.
So, there's yet another scholarship to use for 2016.
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rodfromcranston wrote:It took long enough to get someone to either
inquire and/or answer the question.
People have been inquiring for quite a bit, just for the record.
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The Akele news this morning, the Butts info this afternoon. I don't fault a program, who just found out, for waiting for the official word from the decision makers to release information.
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Wonder if he will enroll after the first semester or if he has to move on from Rhody....
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Ramulous wrote:Wonder if he will enroll after the first semester or if he has to move on from Rhody....
That's what I was wondering.
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For the record, I first heard of this on June 7th.
It is August 12th.
Maybe they were waiting for the clearing house to rule on both players,
and Akele's news balances Butts'?
If it was a matter of SAT/ACT scores, the NCAA is pretty specific as to those,
and why would the clearing house need to be involved?
Whatever.
The best thing I've heard about Butts was. "serviceable".
Not athletic, was another.
Of course, not everyone is going to be a starter or in the regular
rotation. Practice players provide a valuable service to their team,
even if playing time is limited in games.
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And there it is: "...Standardized test score flagged by NCAA."

In the vernacular, "flagged" meaning "irregularity," usually for an absurd increase from previous result(s)?

How does that happen in this day and age with all of the testing protocols, i.e., specific Ids, no electronic devices, etc.?
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There have been numerous reported instances of individuals or groups "hacking" the SAT in order to achieve scores that they did not honestly come by (mostly overseas, notably China, but domestically as well). What the story implied to me was not that his test score was too low - URI would have known that all throughout the process of recruiting him. What was implied is that there was some sort of academic indiscretion either by Butts, or someone close to him on his behalf.
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ace wrote:The Akele news this morning, the Butts info this afternoon. I don't fault a program, who just found out, for waiting for the official word from the decision makers to release information.
Which is the difference between whispers on and off this message board and a member of the media officially reporting it. Did anyone expect someone like Bill Koch or DiSano or Zagoria to tweet out information that is either academically-confidential or premature given the NCAA ruling had not been officially delivered?
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Yes, let's defend the status quo like sheep, because everything is always
100% right.
Listen, Disano isn't a "reporter". He speculates about things plenty of times.
It could easily have been written, "rumor had it that...."
Hell, even John Rooke in his weekly, wrote that Butts was MIA, but
couldn't get an answer as to why.
I get that academic specifics are off limits, but at least hint that
something's up. It's done plenty of times about who may not be eligible for
whatever reason. This is not a violation of academic confidentiality..
We heard it about Ricky Ledo for over a year with constant media speculation on his
academic standing.
We heard it regarding Owens, at PC, too,
Funny, McNamara and Reynolds never were afraid of not touching the subject.
I get it that Koch doesn't want to report anything he's isn't told to report.
Just don't tell me "this is what is was and it's wonderful coverage."
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sf2010 wrote:There have been numerous reported instances of individuals or groups "hacking" the SAT in order to achieve scores that they did not honestly come by (mostly overseas, notably China, but domestically as well). What the story implied to me was not that his test score was too low - URI would have known that all throughout the process of recruiting him. What was implied is that there was some sort of academic indiscretion either by Butts, or someone close to him on his behalf.
It would be incorrect to assume there was any manipulation or "hacking" here. The NCAA's sliding scale combines standardized test scores with final GPAs to determine eligibility. Koch's piece mentions that Butts has the option of improving his test score or enrolling for a prep year to bring up his GPA (or both).

Staff would not have known in November at the time of the signed LOI what the final combination of SAT score and GPA would be.
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My reference was to the way the team handled the info, not the media. There was a notification earlier, which is why they handled summer practice the way they did, and then a final decision.
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Perhaps not known in November fully, but certainly they would have had a strong idea if he was likely to be a non-qualifier. It was hasty of me to bring up academic impropriety, but given the communication that goes on regarding eligibility, it 100% would have been known by the staff that he was at risk of academic ineligibility at the time of the LOI signing.
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I don't have a problem with going after a player, who
may be an academic risk.
That's how most schools do it, as we can too, since the APR
issue seems to have been rectified.
There used to be Prop 48 players once.
So, even knowing Butts may have been on the edge, they went
after him.
Good for being pro active, as PC was with Owens.
It's how it's done if you want to win. You take a chance once in a while.
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rodfromcranston wrote:I don't have a problem with going after a player, who
may be an academic risk.
That's how most schools do it, as we can too, since the APR
issue seems to have been rectified.
There used to be Prop 48 players once.
So, even knowing Butts may have been on the edge, they went
after him.
Good for being pro active, as PC was with Owens.
It's how it's done if you want to win. You take a chance once in a while.
Certainly - that's the price of playing with the big boys. Gotta take chances on many different fronts, academics being one of them. Hopefully they work out more often than not, but a bit of a setback this time.
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Just not seeing it as a big deal.....more PT for better players. 9 deep is fine, we're all good IMHO.

Of course if a rabbit could be pulled out of the hat to fill an open scholly even better......
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Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing. I don't know much about Butts to begin with other then what has been read here, but sometimes having that open scholarship throughout the year ends up working out.

Still don't like to see this happen to the kid, and hope it all works out for him in the end to. But will be interesting to see what happens moving forward.
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Where did the St. Johnnies center land??
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Seawrightspostgame wrote:Where did the St. Johnnies center land??
UNLV. I have a bet with someone about whether or not he ever plays a game for them.
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It sounds to me that it is very possible or probable when he graduated on June 5, he met the eligibility requirements including the sliding scale of gpa and standardized test. The NCAA has the right to ask the prospective student to retake the test if the difference between the first and second test is too wide.

It could be the time delay was Butts preparing and retaking the test and that the retake did not make the cut.

None of what I read, referenced his not being eligible to attend college or for that matter being eligible to still receive the scholly- Just not eligible to play.

For those interested in looking over the 13 pages of the NCAA elibgibility "brochure the link follows:

http://www.nacacnet.org/research/Knowle ... ements.pdf
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Actally just read in another portion that if a student athlete in a non qualifier cannot recieve athletic scholly.
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Yeah WTF with that article?
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I thought there was some news on Butts. What's the point, BOS8?
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I think the point is that blog post is from this week and it still says he is going to have a leader role at Rhode Island.
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He is heading back to Elev8, and is still planning on coming to URI next year.
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Bos8 wrote:He is heading back to Elev8, and is still planning on coming to URI next year.
Meaning January or September?
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That I'm not sure of. He finished up his senior year last season, and is now considered a post grad at Elev8.
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So, how does this work? Does he sign another NLOI this November?
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Would the article have been clearer if the title included "the eventually Rhody bound" Butts? They're talking abut his role with Elev8 this year. I liked his quotes about watching the team last year. He had originally signed in June of 2014, kind of quickly, and URI had been nowhere on his radar before, so he had not really seem the team play. Both sides, Leroy and the staff, still want him at URI. Players only sign one letter of intent, so no, there won't be another (like Terrell). The timing depends on the academic issue getting handled, his development, and if the open scholarship would need to be used this season for any reason. He's disappointed about how things turned out but motivated to use his time well. Elev8 itself is one of those programs that gets a much closer look from the NCAA than others for academics.
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Now I understand! Thanks
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This might end up working out better for us. Rather than sit on the bench here this year, it's another year to work on his game, another year to get stronger and a year to work on his academics. He should be better prepared to contribute as a freshman next year.
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Bos8 wrote:He is heading back to Elev8, and is still planning on coming to URI next year.
Bos8 wrote:That I'm not sure of. He finished up his senior year last season, and is now considered a post grad at Elev8.
It seems like that would have been, you know, good information to be in the article? I guess my initial confusion was that the date of article made it very strange that they wouldn't have addressed/explained his status and plans with respect to URI.
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Getting any of these kids to redshirt is big. Obviously this isn't a red shirt per se but age matters in basketball.
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TruePoint wrote:
Bos8 wrote:He is heading back to Elev8, and is still planning on coming to URI next year.
Bos8 wrote:That I'm not sure of. He finished up his senior year last season, and is now considered a post grad at Elev8.
It seems like that would have been, you know, good information to be in the article? I guess my initial confusion was that the date of article made it very strange that they wouldn't have addressed/explained his status and plans with respect to URI.

Well, yes, but it seems to be written by someone who doesn't know that information and thinks Butts is a regular post-grad or who purposefully left it out (academic issue? what academic issue?).
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My understanding is that the LOI is null and void if the student does not meet the initial eligibility requirements of the NCAA. That being the case, he has no commitment to URI and visa versa.

Since he apparently did not meet the requirements of combined GPA and standardized tests, he is not currently eligible to receive an athletic scholly at any 4 year school.

So, it seems his choice was Juco or do a post grad year. (He did graduate last year (see link)

Of course, there is no guarantee that he will become eligible for mid 2015 or 2016-- or if we want him or he wants us--.
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I'm actually pretty happy about this. We don't absolutely need him this year - we've got Iffy and Earl coming off the bench. Akele can play the four too. All we need Iffy/Earl to do is rebound, and play a little defense. Butts wouldn't have played much anyway - now we basically have him for 5 years.
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McRam, you are correct in that this adds uncertainty to that 4th scholarship for 2016.

Will he "pass muster" and play then, or not? Who really knows?

Could he be recruited over, since he isn't tied to the school?

Might be a moot point anyway, since there have been no signings for 2016 yet.

Something's got to pop by the early signing period in November. Or else?

Even counting Butts, there's 3 out there..........
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Who is his girlfriend on the women's team?
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rambone 78 wrote: Something's got to pop by the early signing period in November. Or else?
Or else what?
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If the program is to continue on an upward trend, we have to get more quality size in here.

We all know that, TP. Or at least I think you know that......
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and there is this, his Elev8 teammate Kobie Eubanks who did not get into Alabama

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... eared-ncaa
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Bone, you know who else probably knows that....our Coach. Your or else comment is ridiculous, so we fire him if he doesn't bring in a stud 2016 big man even tho we will be returning the entire lineup from a 2015 post season team?
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Let's get overly dramatic because we aren't receiving the amount of recruiting information we'd like, right?

That stupid coaching staff.... don't they know what they're doing?!?
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The good news is he still plans to come to URI and to continue to improve his game
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ramster wrote:and there is this, his Elev8 teammate Kobie Eubanks who did not get into Alabama

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... eared-ncaa
He sure has a lot of sneakers
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SO how is he going to rectify his situation at the same place?
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