Re: 18 MD G Matt Balanc
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:20 pm
I trust this staff and their ability to recruit. I think we will be ecstatic with this years class
Ultimately though, I think the staff's evaluation of players, and how they fit together, matters more than what outside recruiting services are grading recruits. We can only judge them based on the recruits so far, which I'd rate as pretty good. Not perfect - they've obviously had some misses on the initial transfers in Hurley's first few years - but I also don't think this is unusual vs. other programs. Nobody bats 1.000 in recruiting, even Duke, UNC, any other big program you want to name. That type of comparison - Hurley's success rate recruiting vs. the rest of the A-10, vs. the rest of NCAA tournament teams - takes a lot of energy to do, if the sample size to do so is even large enough.theblueram wrote:Just saying I would hate to see us try and make a deep tournament run with just 2* and 3* recruits.
Where is Kris Munroe ranked?rjsuperfly66 wrote:The notion that stars mean nothing (or very little) is very false. Yes, there will be guys ranked in the Top 50 or Top 75 who will be busts, and yes, there will be guys in the Top 150 or even Top 200 who will become stars. But the probability of getting a stud or key piece around 150 or 200 is much smaller than landing a guy around 50. The data correlates almost perfectly with this thought.
Over the last 2 4 years cycles (13-17; 12-16), the worst player ranked 48-52 out of the 10 players was Anton Gill, who went to Louisville and then Nebraska (and still has a year of eligibility left). The second worst, at least statistically, is Daniel Ochefu, who became a pretty key piece for Villanova in their frontcourt. You could also probably argue Dominic Artis, a player for Oregon who transferred to UTEP after being booted from the Oregon program, but he did average 10-4-4 between the 2 schools.
Just looking at 148-152 over the same cycle, there were 5 recruits who became nothing (Zach Coleman, Jevon Thomas, Houston Kessler, Brandon Channer, and Josh Fortney - who to be fair I don't think ever played D1). The other 5 guys - #1 Donte Clark who just grad transferred from UMASS to Coastal Carolina, #2 Malik Morgan - averaged 5 and 3 at LSU and transferred to Tulane where he averaged 11 and 6, #3 Junior Etou - transferred from Rutgers to Tulsa, #4 Travis Hammond - played at Long Beach St., #5 Torren Jones - transferred from Missouri where he averaged 2 and 2 to Fresno St. where he averaged 11 and 8.
It's a long-winded way of illustrating the different type of players that typically are found between the two groupings and my guess if that if you went and sampled 73-77 and 198-202, you'd probably find similar differences between the two groups. Ultimately though, if the staff identifies the right guys and are good talent evaluators, they can hopefully eliminate the misses.
What's your point? I'm not worried about talent on PC's roster. They had a Top 50 PG who will be a freshman this year (Langford), a Top 50 SG who will be a freshman next year (Reeves), a Top 100 F who will be a sophomore this year (Diallo), a Top 100 F who will be a freshman this year (Watson), a Top 125 C who will be a freshman this year (Dickens), and are also still heavily recruiting a Top 50 G (Duke), a Top 75 G (Locke), and a Top 75 F (Days). Not every guy you recruit is going to be a 4-star, Top 75/Top 100 guy, I just wouldn't feel as confident if Cooley was recruiting 11-13 Kris Monroe's.Iggy1979 wrote:Where is Kris Munroe ranked?rjsuperfly66 wrote:The notion that stars mean nothing (or very little) is very false. Yes, there will be guys ranked in the Top 50 or Top 75 who will be busts, and yes, there will be guys in the Top 150 or even Top 200 who will become stars. But the probability of getting a stud or key piece around 150 or 200 is much smaller than landing a guy around 50. The data correlates almost perfectly with this thought.
Over the last 2 4 years cycles (13-17; 12-16), the worst player ranked 48-52 out of the 10 players was Anton Gill, who went to Louisville and then Nebraska (and still has a year of eligibility left). The second worst, at least statistically, is Daniel Ochefu, who became a pretty key piece for Villanova in their frontcourt. You could also probably argue Dominic Artis, a player for Oregon who transferred to UTEP after being booted from the Oregon program, but he did average 10-4-4 between the 2 schools.
Just looking at 148-152 over the same cycle, there were 5 recruits who became nothing (Zach Coleman, Jevon Thomas, Houston Kessler, Brandon Channer, and Josh Fortney - who to be fair I don't think ever played D1). The other 5 guys - #1 Donte Clark who just grad transferred from UMASS to Coastal Carolina, #2 Malik Morgan - averaged 5 and 3 at LSU and transferred to Tulane where he averaged 11 and 6, #3 Junior Etou - transferred from Rutgers to Tulsa, #4 Travis Hammond - played at Long Beach St., #5 Torren Jones - transferred from Missouri where he averaged 2 and 2 to Fresno St. where he averaged 11 and 8.
It's a long-winded way of illustrating the different type of players that typically are found between the two groupings and my guess if that if you went and sampled 73-77 and 198-202, you'd probably find similar differences between the two groups. Ultimately though, if the staff identifies the right guys and are good talent evaluators, they can hopefully eliminate the misses.
Your basing your facts as if the ratings services are 100% accurate. Anybody with common sense knows how that isn't the case.rjsuperfly66 wrote:What's your point? I'm not worried about talent on PC's roster. They had a Top 50 PG who will be a freshman this year (Langford), a Top 50 SG who will be a freshman next year (Reeves), a Top 100 F who will be a sophomore this year (Diallo), a Top 100 F who will be a freshman this year (Watson), a Top 125 C who will be a freshman this year (Dickens), and are also still heavily recruiting a Top 50 G (Duke), a Top 75 G (Locke), and a Top 75 F (Days). Not every guy you recruit is going to be a 4-star, Top 75/Top 100 guy, I just wouldn't feel as confident if Cooley was recruiting 11-13 Kris Monroe's.Iggy1979 wrote:Where is Kris Munroe ranked?rjsuperfly66 wrote:The notion that stars mean nothing (or very little) is very false. Yes, there will be guys ranked in the Top 50 or Top 75 who will be busts, and yes, there will be guys in the Top 150 or even Top 200 who will become stars. But the probability of getting a stud or key piece around 150 or 200 is much smaller than landing a guy around 50. The data correlates almost perfectly with this thought.
Over the last 2 4 years cycles (13-17; 12-16), the worst player ranked 48-52 out of the 10 players was Anton Gill, who went to Louisville and then Nebraska (and still has a year of eligibility left). The second worst, at least statistically, is Daniel Ochefu, who became a pretty key piece for Villanova in their frontcourt. You could also probably argue Dominic Artis, a player for Oregon who transferred to UTEP after being booted from the Oregon program, but he did average 10-4-4 between the 2 schools.
Just looking at 148-152 over the same cycle, there were 5 recruits who became nothing (Zach Coleman, Jevon Thomas, Houston Kessler, Brandon Channer, and Josh Fortney - who to be fair I don't think ever played D1). The other 5 guys - #1 Donte Clark who just grad transferred from UMASS to Coastal Carolina, #2 Malik Morgan - averaged 5 and 3 at LSU and transferred to Tulane where he averaged 11 and 6, #3 Junior Etou - transferred from Rutgers to Tulsa, #4 Travis Hammond - played at Long Beach St., #5 Torren Jones - transferred from Missouri where he averaged 2 and 2 to Fresno St. where he averaged 11 and 8.
It's a long-winded way of illustrating the different type of players that typically are found between the two groupings and my guess if that if you went and sampled 73-77 and 198-202, you'd probably find similar differences between the two groups. Ultimately though, if the staff identifies the right guys and are good talent evaluators, they can hopefully eliminate the misses.
OK. Nowhere in your long-winded post did you say there was room on the team for lower-ranked players or, like Bryce Cotton, unranked players.rjsuperfly66 wrote:What's your point? I'm not worried about talent on PC's roster. They had a Top 50 PG who will be a freshman this year (Langford), a Top 50 SG who will be a freshman next year (Reeves), a Top 100 F who will be a sophomore this year (Diallo), a Top 100 F who will be a freshman this year (Watson), a Top 125 C who will be a freshman this year (Dickens), and are also still heavily recruiting a Top 50 G (Duke), a Top 75 G (Locke), and a Top 75 F (Days). Not every guy you recruit is going to be a 4-star, Top 75/Top 100 guy, I just wouldn't feel as confident if Cooley was recruiting 11-13 Kris Monroe's.Iggy1979 wrote:Where is Kris Munroe ranked?rjsuperfly66 wrote:The notion that stars mean nothing (or very little) is very false. Yes, there will be guys ranked in the Top 50 or Top 75 who will be busts, and yes, there will be guys in the Top 150 or even Top 200 who will become stars. But the probability of getting a stud or key piece around 150 or 200 is much smaller than landing a guy around 50. The data correlates almost perfectly with this thought.
Over the last 2 4 years cycles (13-17; 12-16), the worst player ranked 48-52 out of the 10 players was Anton Gill, who went to Louisville and then Nebraska (and still has a year of eligibility left). The second worst, at least statistically, is Daniel Ochefu, who became a pretty key piece for Villanova in their frontcourt. You could also probably argue Dominic Artis, a player for Oregon who transferred to UTEP after being booted from the Oregon program, but he did average 10-4-4 between the 2 schools.
Just looking at 148-152 over the same cycle, there were 5 recruits who became nothing (Zach Coleman, Jevon Thomas, Houston Kessler, Brandon Channer, and Josh Fortney - who to be fair I don't think ever played D1). The other 5 guys - #1 Donte Clark who just grad transferred from UMASS to Coastal Carolina, #2 Malik Morgan - averaged 5 and 3 at LSU and transferred to Tulane where he averaged 11 and 6, #3 Junior Etou - transferred from Rutgers to Tulsa, #4 Travis Hammond - played at Long Beach St., #5 Torren Jones - transferred from Missouri where he averaged 2 and 2 to Fresno St. where he averaged 11 and 8.
It's a long-winded way of illustrating the different type of players that typically are found between the two groupings and my guess if that if you went and sampled 73-77 and 198-202, you'd probably find similar differences between the two groups. Ultimately though, if the staff identifies the right guys and are good talent evaluators, they can hopefully eliminate the misses.
Makes no sense to judge a recruiting class in August.steveystuds06 wrote:Cooley is kicking our ass when it comes to recruiting. We land Tate and Harris and it's closer.
Agreed but he has now brought in two top 50 players, two top 100 players, and a couple right outside the top 100 the past couple years.Iggy1979 wrote:Makes no sense to judge a recruiting class in August.steveystuds06 wrote:Cooley is kicking our ass when it comes to recruiting. We land Tate and Harris and it's closer.
100%. I'm not saying "ha Cooley has got all these highly rated guys...what an idiot!" He's done a fantastic job selling Providence College, which isn't an easy thing to do, IMO. He gets a ton of credit from me for that. But really, in evaluating the job a coach has done recruiting, you should forget about stars and rankings and look at results. Which is why I don't get why our fans are complaining. (OK, that's a lie, I do get it - it's because our fans love to complain - but I strongly disagree with it.)adam914 wrote:Hurley has done a good job recruiting. Cooley has done a good job recruiting. We're all going to be ok.
Right, I'm with you on that. My reply appeared right below your comment but wasnt directed at you at all. Just more of a general statement about the comparisons being made.TruePoint wrote:100%. I'm not saying "ha Cooley has got all these highly rated guys...what an idiot!" He's done a fantastic job selling Providence College, which isn't an easy thing to do, IMO. He gets a ton of credit from me for that. But really, in evaluating the job a coach has done recruiting, you should forget about stars and rankings and look at results. Which is why I don't get why our fans are complaining. (OK, that's a lie, I do get it - it's because our fans love to complain - but I strongly disagree with it.)adam914 wrote:Hurley has done a good job recruiting. Cooley has done a good job recruiting. We're all going to be ok.
I agree. I guess saying Cooley has kicked our ass in recruiting is going overboard, but we have lost to them seven times in seven years.adam914 wrote:Hurley has done a good job recruiting. Cooley has done a good job recruiting. We're all going to be ok.
One downIggy1979 wrote:With changes in staff and further evaluation, some of the offers aren't really offers any more. Here's some that URI seems to be actively watching:
GUARDS:
Jeenathan Williams, NY
Brendan Adams, MD
Matt Balanc, MD
Anthony Nelson, KY
Mezzie Offurum, MD
James Bouknight, NY
Tyrese Martin Pa.
FORWARDS:
Dana Tate, Calif. (URI)
Philmon Gebrewhit, Mass.
Jermaine Harris, MD
Souleymane Koureissi, NY
Samba Diallo, NJ
Jack Clark, Pa.
I'm sure there are more.
We don't need guards! Only recruit bigs!!!!TruePoint wrote:Dowtin, Fatts and Thompson
Do we really need a public history lesson on the unconventional circumstances surrounding Odom's recruitment?theblueram wrote:Just to keep things in perspective, our best recruiting class included 5 star and number 1 recruit Lamar Odom.
Not really, just letting those who are not in the know that we landed the Number 1 recruit in the Nation in 97.3wisemen wrote:Do we really need a public history lesson on the unconventional circumstances surrounding Odom's recruitment?theblueram wrote:Just to keep things in perspective, our best recruiting class included 5 star and number 1 recruit Lamar Odom.
Wasn't aware URI was involvedBillyboy78 wrote:I'm still wondering if we are recruiting Kiyon Boyd, the 4* SG/SF from DC. Not only does he follow several of our players on twitter(and not just the DC guys), he also follows Dana Tate.
Diallo is out. We aren't in his final 5.Iggy1979 wrote:GUARDS:
Jeenathan Williams, NY
Brendan Adams, MD
Matt Balanc, MD
Anthony Nelson, KY
Mezzie Offurum, MD
James Bouknight, NY
Tyrese Martin Pa.
FORWARDS:
Dana Tate, Calif. (URI)
Philmon Gebrewhit, Mass.
Jermaine Harris, MD
Souleymane Koureissi, NY
Samba Diallo, NJ (XX)
Jack Clark, Pa.
Chris Doherty Mass.
Noah is a great kid, remains to be seen if he's an A10 kid though, I would assume he'd be on the radar based on how this winter goes.Billyboy78 wrote:Has anyone here seen Noah Fernandes play? He'll be a junior at Tabor this year and he plays for Expressions. I saw him for the first time in a game in Fall River last night. Very good player. I wouldn't mind if we were involved with him.
Here's a few clips from last weekend in Fall River.NorthernRamFan wrote:Noah is a great kid, remains to be seen if he's an A10 kid though, I would assume he'd be on the radar based on how this winter goes.Billyboy78 wrote:Has anyone here seen Noah Fernandes play? He'll be a junior at Tabor this year and he plays for Expressions. I saw him for the first time in a game in Fall River last night. Very good player. I wouldn't mind if we were involved with him.