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rodfromcranston wrote:2 points in the second half. Yawn. 3 rebounds in 23 minutes!
Double double guy? Will Daniels wasn't a double double.
ARD wasn't a double double guy. Lamar wasn't a double double guy.
We haven't had a double double guy since Kenny Green in 1989!
I would love to know what your definition of a double double guy is. ARD has the third most rebounds in school history. More than Kenny Green. Lamar had over 300 rebounds in his one season.
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If Hare stays and that may be a big if, it appears his value will be more apparent when this team goes to full court pressure and running the break. Regardless of the many shortcomings repeatedly mentioned, he is long and athletic. I think his game is more in line with fast break basketball. He can run the floor better than most big men. This will lead to easy buckets off the break. He also will probably be on the wing on "D" and should cause matchup problems for smaller big forwards. You can't teach athleticism. He has that. Does he have the desire and heart to thrive in this program. We will know soon.
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So Hare is leaving now? Transfer?
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Rod, I know you're done with idiots like me but why did you ask when was the last time Hurley said Hare was going to be great if you were just going to get pissed off when someone answered the question? And because some people feel the book isn't written on Hare at this point in his freshman season, it means we want to have a romantic relationship with him? I know I'm risking a caps lock and exclamation point assault here but it's a discussion board not a blog, we should be able to disagree without this nonsense.
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Hare is definitely a project but given the fact that he has Hurley for 4 yrs to work with there is still potential there. No one was worse than Michael Anderson. He had to play his freshman yr out of necessity & turned out pretty good. So glad Baron is gone. He would never get better with JB around.

On another note, did anyone notice the Hurley's strategy to spread the floor & let Nik go one on one with Smith? It got Smith out of the game & got us back in. Thought it was a nice move.
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Rod...just my 2 cents...You said Baron never started freshman> Remember Jon Clark? He started all 4 years and played 16 minutes a game in his Freshman year. In fact he played more minutes as a Freshman, 498, than he did any other year as a Ram. Finshed playing only 372 minutes but still started...no one could understand why. Count me in as one who believes Hare has far more upside than you think. Will he be a dominate A-10- player?...probably not, but he has a great deal of undeveloped talent that should be uncovered by this coaching staff.
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3wisemen wrote:Will Daniels as a freshman -- 28 games played, five games started, 6.4 points, 3.7 rebounds, nine blocked shots, 40.5 percent from the field. He was overwhelmed just like Seawright was overwhelmed -- and just like Hare is overwhelmed now. It's up to the coaching staff to develop him, much of which happens in the offseason. They simply don't have the time to do that now with games, practices and classwork going on. It's going to take a period of months or even a couple years for him to get stronger, work on his game, etc.
And Baron never played freshmen? You have a short memory, Rod. Jonathan Holton averaged 28.5 minutes per game, 10.2 points and 8.1 rebounds last season.
Mike Powell and Dominique McKoy both played a lot as freshmen too.
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Haha you beat me to it...hopefully thats something that can develop a little over time, but I dont think it'll ever be a major part of his game.[/quote]

I love how you guys ignore the other side of the argument which, as I have said is the most important one. Where is everyone harping on X going 3-13? How about a "now I know why he shouldn't take outside shots"? Unbelievable. It's not about Hare getting shots. It's about getting some touches and some semblance of offense, inside and out, installed so there won't be another huge learning curve year, even if these guys don't all start. Keep shooting X! No mention of his 13 shots but a string of posts on one of Hare's post moves. Talk about blind. "But, he is the only one who can get shots!" Guess what, he doesn't make them. He isn't a good offensive player. Enough. 14 points on 13 shots is not getting it done.[/quote]

No matter how many times you post it, I'm still not going to be agree with you. If anyone else on the team was capable of scoring on a regular basis X would not need to shoot as much. I also don't believe its worth it to go out there game after game and get blown out just for the sake of giving certain guys touches who clearly aren't ready for that. Like it or not they are trying to win games.

So you can continue to try and convince me all you want, but its a waste of your time at this point.[/quote]
I appreciate the response. I'm not asking people to agree with me. And, to some extent, I agree with you. Someone has to carry the load. I would ask you to take a look at all of X's shots going forward. How many are where he dribbles the ball at the top and then just bulls toward the hoop? It's like the other four guys are looking at him with no chance at getting a touch. This impacts your offense. Guys play better d when they are involved on O. I wouldn't mind him taking his shots if they were the result of at least some movement.
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SmartyBarrett wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:Regarding Munford, does the fact an NBA GM was looking at him matter to GBG?

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Xavier Munford is a player to watch here. Spurs GM RC Buford in attendance taking notes of the URI guard. #ButlerURI
Also heard that a scout from the Raptors was there to see X as well.

BUT HE TAKES TOO MANY SHOTS!!!!1111!!!!!
Wait? What?

I have a bridge in my backyard for those who think X is an NBA guard.
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ARD is NOT the thrid leading rebounder ever at URI, he's TENTH in rebounding average, and never averaged 10 rebounds a game in any season. He played in far more games than all of the guys ahead of him on the list
Kenny Green at 10.9 in 1989-90 was the last. FACT.Look it up.
BFC, if you don't like my post, don't read them. This is a discussion board and because I'm not enamored with Hare,
I don't feel like going on ad nauseum about it. Caps lock? What the hell are you even talking about. Show me one post
I ever made in caps. If some people think he's the new Anthony Davis, because he can run and jump (and nothing much else) great!
The fact that a guy like Oneykaba, with limited experience dominates him in practice says a lot.
Gone baron, you're a frigging broken record.
Go on your team's board and bother them.
Jon Clarke? Are you kidding me? The worst center in URI history as a comparable? Wow.
We used to say he had pictures of Baron, because yes, he did start from day one, to everyone's
dismay.
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URI96 wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:2 points in the second half. Yawn. 3 rebounds in 23 minutes!
Double double guy? Will Daniels wasn't a double double.
ARD wasn't a double double guy. Lamar wasn't a double double guy.
We haven't had a double double guy since Kenny Green in 1989!
I would love to know what your definition of a double double guy is. ARD has the third most rebounds in school history. More than Kenny Green. Lamar had over 300 rebounds in his one season.
Presumably, someone who averages double digits in two of the following catagories: points, rebounds, steals, assists, or blocks.

I might be off base though.
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Thanks Ed. That's my definition, too.
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Highest Rebound Average
Season
16.2, Art Stephenson, 1967-68
14.9, Gary Koenig, 1961-62
14.6, Gary Koenig, 1960-61
12.7, Art Stephenson, 1966-67
11.6, John Fultz, 1969-70
10.9, Kenny Green, 1989-90
10.8, Don Brown, 1958-59
10.4, Gary Koenig, 1959-60
10.3, John Fultz, 1968-69
10.0, Roland Houston, 1981-82
Career
13.3 (78-1,039), Gary Koenig, 1959-62
13.1 (80-1,048), Art Stephenson, 1965-68
9.7 (77-744), John Fultz, 1966-70
9.1 (50-456), Abu Bakr, 1971-73
8.7 (50-436), Robbie Young, 1971-73
8.4 (84-709), Sly Williams, 1965-79
8.3 (117-968), Kenny Green, 1985-90
8.1 (77-620), Frank Nightengale, 1962-65
7.8 (131-1,028), Antonio Reynolds-Dean, 1995-99
7.7 (80-617), Steve Chubin, 1965-66
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rodfromcranston wrote:BFC, if you don't like my post, don't read them. This is a discussion board and because I'm not enamored with Hare,
I don't feel like going on ad nauseum about it. Caps lock? What the hell are you even talking about. Show me one post
I ever made in caps. If some people think he's the new Anthony Davis, because he can run and jump (and nothing much else) great!
It is a discussion board and I responded to something you posted, response is part of a discussion to most of us. Anyway, if you don't like my post, I hope you still read them, I'm not offended by disagreement. Now let me get back to my dissertation on how Jordan Hare is the next Kareem because I live in a world where only extremes exist.
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Sounds good, BFC. You bring solid information to your posts, and yes, I always read them.
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What was Jon "Skywalker" Clark's rebounding stats?
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ATPTourFan wrote:So Hare is leaving now? Transfer?
what is this???
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An attempt at sarcasm, I think.
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Rod...I wasn't comparing Clark to Hare...merely commenting on your statement that Baron did not start freshmen. Actually your exact quote was. "Baron NEVER played freshmen." Just making a point.
Ramfan85..."Skywalker" Clark averaged less than 3 rebounds a game during his career!
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The "double double" thing originated as a pro basketball thing, I believe, so it's tough to apply it to the college level. There are less minutes available, and typically, even the elite guys play a smaller percentage of minutes as opposed to their pro counterparts. It's also much harder to get a double-double as a non-forward in the college game, since if you're a guard, you need less efficient / not as skilled players to finish on 10 of your passes to hit the assist benchmark.
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Clark was Baron's first recruit, and he had some weird obsession
with playing his, far more than his skills merited. '85 was his biggest fan. Not.
Nobody said Hare couldn't improve. It's all up to him.
My comments are only based on what I see, not what could or couldn't happen in the future.
None of us can know how much desire to learn and blossom anyone has.
Only time will tell.
S Greenwell, did you know Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a few seasons?
Yes, I never remember hearing the term, double double until relatively recently.
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Gonebarongone wrote:
SmartyBarrett wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:Regarding Munford, does the fact an NBA GM was looking at him matter to GBG?

FootBasket‏@Foot_Basket

Xavier Munford is a player to watch here. Spurs GM RC Buford in attendance taking notes of the URI guard. #ButlerURI
Also heard that a scout from the Raptors was there to see X as well.

BUT HE TAKES TOO MANY SHOTS!!!!1111!!!!!
Wait? What?

I have a bridge in my backyard for those who think X is an NBA guard.
Keep digging that hole deeper.
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What Rod wants you to believe now:
rodfromcranston wrote:Clark was Baron's first recruit, and he had some weird obsession
with playing his, far more than his skills merited. '85 was his biggest fan. Not.
Nobody said Hare couldn't improve. It's all up to him.
My comments are only based on what I see, not what could or couldn't happen in the future.
None of us can know how much desire to learn and blossom anyone has.
Only time will tell.
S Greenwell, did you know Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a few seasons?
Yes, I never remember hearing the term, double double until relatively recently.
What Rod hopes you forgot he said less than 24 hours ago:
Hare can't catch shit in the post, plays LOUSY defense, and generally isn't the answer going forward.
Butler inside players were going over, under, around and though Hare all game long.
People peeing their pants over some dunks and blocked shots, just don't know much.
Flash over substance.

The point here, Rod, is a simple one. Don't make baseless statements that you can't possibly support and then take your ball and go home when you're exposed by other members of this board. Exercise some patience. You like the Hurleys -- hell, we all do. Give them time to do their job correctly with the players they bring in. Dan signed off on moving forward with Hare. He could have released him from his NLI, no harm, no foul. He didn't do that, so he obviously sees potential -- big word there. Potential. Not finished product. Not a one-and-done. Potential impact on this program. Doesn't have to be this year or even next year.
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rodfromcranston wrote:S Greenwell, did you know Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a few seasons?
Yes, I never remember hearing the term, double double until relatively recently.
Yup! Although, it's tough to take pre-1980s stats serious at times - They kind of suffer from the opposite problems of MLB stats. In MLB, early stats from the "deadball" era have home run leaders with like 10 dingers, and starting pitcher ERAs of under 2.00. Some early NBA stats have the opposite problem, where the rebounding numbers and other offensive stats are inflated. As the game got more popular and competition got stronger, you saw more evening out of the stats, similar to what happened in every other major sport. (The basic theory - As pro leagues become more competitive, you ALWAYS see more specialization, whether it be the advent of closers in baseball, placekickers and punters in the NFL, or 3-point specialists and defense-only frontcourt players in the NBA.)

That being said, the Big O was a ridiculous talent. I can't see anyone equaling what he did in the current game - Lebron is the guy with the closest chance probably, maybe as he ages and becomes more of a passing 4 / point forward. Rondo is a bit short when it comes to the rebounding benchmark, but he's usually near the triple-double leaders on a yearly basis, I believe.
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I wonder what Bird and Magic's best seasons were statistically. I know neither averaged a triple double, because I know that Oscar is the only one that did it. But, I'm guessing one of them must have been close. I'll look it up later.
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Not sure what the hell I was "exposed" on.
I say what I see. Don't agree with me? Fine.
Bottom line, unless Hare improves, he's a bench player going forward.
His improvement is up to him.
Hurley brought Hare in, because he needed people to
play in the frontcourt. In case you didn't notice, the roster is a little thin,
even with Hare coming here.
Remember, Hurley signed on expecting Holton to be on the roster.
Potential? Greatest "potential " ever at URI was a guy named Tommy Hoyle.
Ever hear of him?
Potential is an empty word, that gets people fired in sports.

S Greenwell, I think the most amazing statistic in NBA history is Wilt's 55
rebounds against Bill Russell. I can't even comprehend that number.
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rodfromcranston wrote:Not sure what the hell I was "exposed" on.
I say what I see. Don't agree with me? Fine.
Bottom line, unless Hare improves, he's a bench player going forward.
His improvement is up to him.
Hurley brought Hare in, because he needed people to
play in the frontcourt. In case you didn't notice, the roster is a little thin,
even with Hare coming here.
Remember, Hurley signed on expecting Holton to be on the roster.
Potential? Greatest "potential " ever at URI was a guy named Tommy Hoyle.
Ever hear of him?
Potential is an empty word, that gets people fired in sports.

S Greenwell, I think the most amazing statistic in NBA history is Wilt's 55
rebounds against Bill Russell. I can't even comprehend that number.
rodfromcranston wrote:Not sure what the hell I was "exposed" on.
I say what I see. Don't agree with me? Fine.
Bottom line, unless Hare improves, he's a bench player going forward.
His improvement is up to him.
Hurley brought Hare in, because he needed people to
play in the frontcourt. In case you didn't notice, the roster is a little thin,
even with Hare coming here.
Remember, Hurley signed on expecting Holton to be on the roster.
Potential? Greatest "potential " ever at URI was a guy named Tommy Hoyle.
Ever hear of him?
Potential is an empty word, that gets people fired in sports.

S Greenwell, I think the most amazing statistic in NBA history is Wilt's 55
rebounds against Bill Russell. I can't even comprehend that number.
Of course he has to improve. Everyone does if they want minutes. I'm not sure he was brought in as roster filler, though. He has the talent to be an impact player on a tournament team. I could see him going 12/7/3 blocks eventually and that has value.
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SmartyBarrett wrote:
Gonebarongone wrote:[quote="SmartyBarrett"
Also heard that a scout from the Raptors was there to see X as well.

BUT HE TAKES TOO MANY SHOTS!!!!1111!!!!!
Wait? What?

I have a bridge in my backyard for those who think X is an NBA guard.
Keep digging that hole deeper.
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Can you explain what you mean? There are people in this thread who think Hare isn't great. I think X isn't great. No difference. There is no chance X gets one single minute of NBA PT.
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Hare has a habit to get 4 baskets on dunks in the first 4minutes and then disappear for the rest of the game. He would be an all star A10 player if games were 4 minutes long.
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And I think we overrate ARD a bit, great guy, good player.
Ton is one of 2 players in the history of our program with 1,000 points and 1,000 rebounds.
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Gonebarongone wrote:Can you explain what you mean? There are people in this thread who think Hare isn't great. I think X isn't great. No difference. There is no chance X gets one single minute of NBA PT.
Not sure what Hare has to do with it, but it's pretty clear that you don't think X is that great and most disagree with you. Which is fine. But now there's evidence that more people think X is really good... people outside of this board. People who are paid to evaluate basketball talent at the highest level. And instead of slackening your comments a bit, you've doubled down on them. I'm not saying X will make it to the NBA. What I am saying is that you may be the only person on the planet who doesn't think he's that great. When the NBA comes to take a look, it may be time to seriously reevaluate your opinion.
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rodfromcranston wrote:Clark was Baron's first recruit, and he had some weird obsession
with playing his, far more than his skills merited. '85 was his biggest fan. Not.
Nobody said Hare couldn't improve. It's all up to him.
My comments are only based on what I see, not what could or couldn't happen in the future.
None of us can know how much desire to learn and blossom anyone has.
Only time will tell.
S Greenwell, did you know Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a few seasons?
Yes, I never remember hearing the term, double double until relatively recently.
I still remember Rod calling for Winchell to start over Clark...lol

I can't hear the word "potential" without thinking of Harrick's definition of the word: "It means you haven't done anything yet."
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ramfan85 wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:Clark was Baron's first recruit, and he had some weird obsession
with playing his, far more than his skills merited. '85 was his biggest fan. Not.
Nobody said Hare couldn't improve. It's all up to him.
My comments are only based on what I see, not what could or couldn't happen in the future.
None of us can know how much desire to learn and blossom anyone has.
Only time will tell.
S Greenwell, did you know Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a few seasons?
Yes, I never remember hearing the term, double double until relatively recently.
I still remember Rod calling for Winchell to start over Clark...lol

I can't hear the word "potential" without thinking of Harrick's definition of the word: "It means you haven't done anything yet."
Those Ram teams had Chris Holm, who, while he was as fast as a street sign, at least flashed a decent post move or two. I always thought he was the better player, albeit not by a whole lot, and eventually he had a decent career after transferring to either New Hampshire or Vermont, I believe. Not an All-Conference player or anything, but Holm in his fourth year would probably have been much better than the guys URI kept or dabbled with (JR Moore, Clark, that 300 pound guy who played center and couldn't dunk, Frank Monge, etc). Eventually, they got Seawright and James to play the 4 and 5, but those early Baron years were shockingly lean at times.
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How about the 7'3" 400 lbs guy from Worcester, that Baron signed?
He never played a minute anywhere, as far as I know.
Chris Holm was a fundamentally sound player, who could shoot free throws,
and play very physical basketball.
Not a world beater, but better than Clark and Moore.
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SmartyBarrett wrote:
Gonebarongone wrote:Can you explain what you mean? There are people in this thread who think Hare isn't great. I think X isn't great. No difference. There is no chance X gets one single minute of NBA PT.
Not sure what Hare has to do with it, but it's pretty clear that you don't think X is that great and most disagree with you. Which is fine. But now there's evidence that more people think X is really good... people outside of this board. People who are paid to evaluate basketball talent at the highest level. And instead of slackening your comments a bit, you've doubled down on them. I'm not saying X will make it to the NBA. What I am saying is that you may be the only person on the planet who doesn't think he's that great. When the NBA comes to take a look, it may be time to seriously reevaluate your opinion.
This is what scouts do. They see a million kids every year. I bet many of them just drove down to Bloomington after for IU-UM game that night. I guarantee everyone on this board has seen more Rhody games than NBA scouts this year. He is a decent player but far from an NBA guy.
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Re: Game 20: URI @ #9 Butler - GameDay!!

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Gonebarongone wrote:
SmartyBarrett wrote:
Gonebarongone wrote:Can you explain what you mean? There are people in this thread who think Hare isn't great. I think X isn't great. No difference. There is no chance X gets one single minute of NBA PT.
Not sure what Hare has to do with it, but it's pretty clear that you don't think X is that great and most disagree with you. Which is fine. But now there's evidence that more people think X is really good... people outside of this board. People who are paid to evaluate basketball talent at the highest level. And instead of slackening your comments a bit, you've doubled down on them. I'm not saying X will make it to the NBA. What I am saying is that you may be the only person on the planet who doesn't think he's that great. When the NBA comes to take a look, it may be time to seriously reevaluate your opinion.
This is what scouts do. They see a million kids every year. I bet many of them just drove down to Bloomington after for IU-UM game that night. I guarantee everyone on this board has seen more Rhody games than NBA scouts this year. He is a decent player but far from an NBA guy.
This is correct - Scouts look at pretty much everyone. I mean, that job is also all about networking, and even if you're an NBA scout, you might mention to one of your peers that scouts for Euro leagues that you saw Player Y, and thought he'd be a good fit, etc. At most URI games is at least one guy from NetScouts, since one of them lives in Chariho (I believe), and they do a lot of scouting for international leagues, I believe. I've also sat next to various NBA scouts, since I'm usually (at least in past years) one of the last "regular" media members of press row, so after me is usually the people on the one-game passes.
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My opinion is if x could play in a rotation maybe 30 minutes a game he would be a beast. What I see is a very good player who is asked to do too much and is flat out gassed 1/2 the time. As for Hare, needs to beef up and watch a lot of film.
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And I think we overrate ARD a bit, great guy, good player.
Ton is one of 2 players in the history of our program with 1,000 points and 1,000 rebounds.

He played signficant minutes all four years and over 30+ games per year (34, 30, 34 & 33) because of post-season play, so getting to 1,000 for each isn't as impossible as it sounds, needed to average 7.6 per game to reach 1000. Much like MLB stats, his longevity (playing all four years) helped.

His rebounding stats went down significantly each year. He was a good player, like I said, but not in the great category. I think we have had so few great players, that we lower our standards of great. Would I want him on my team? Hell, yes. Great person and leader and was a legit low-post presense, but not a player you could build a team around.

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Hare is a frosh. Big men take time
Kid will be fine.
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In some ways, ARD was better when he was Antonio Reynolds in his
freshman season.
We all thought he had a bigger upside, than he had.
He kind of hit a plateau and stayed at that level. A pretty good level, all told.
Nice player, and an asset to any team, though.
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I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and my expectations are low, but at least Hare has shown way more as a freshman than Will Martell. And I think Martell was a sericeable player as a Junior and Senior. I think Hare will be much more than that. As far as the other big men coming next year, will they be far superior and take away most of Hare's playing time? Could be, but maybe that is something to look forward to. I see Hare becoming a very good player once he cans some strength and experience. I have faith that the coaching staff will help him reach his full potential. But then again I am an incurable optimist.
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Just love the fight this team shows, I am just jacked up about this team for the next few yrs
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Hare will only continue to get better, X is the best offensive option this team has right now. GBG if we gave it to Hare in the post as you suggest we would be losing these games by more than just a few points like we are. I don't care if X goes 0-13 for the night that's not the point. We don't have too many players on this roster who can create quality looks on their own and all of our pieces are still developing. We can get frustrated about certain parts of the team not being where we think they should be at this point but I don't think you can discredit the lack of effort of this team. Hare has more to offer with putbacks this year because his offensive game is not relevant yet. We count on X, Nik, Powell, and Malone to make shots. Next year there will be more options and more development.

BTW, our shooting percentage is lower due to the lack of ball movement and teams not respecting us having an inside threat. Makes it tougher to get quality looks and were forcing up shots at the end of the shot clock sometimes.
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X is the second leading scorer in the a-10. Every team knows that if you stop X you probably stop the Rams, yet he still gets his points. He is a marked man every game. Ask that about any other Ram player and it doesn't happen. The a-10 is a good league with almost all teams holding their opponents under 70. Let the scouts look. He is not a senior and has only played in twenty d-1 games. Sooner or later a hard working Ram player will get someone to jump off a bridge. Go X!
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