Louisville and Pitino

Talk about the men's team, upcoming opponents and news from around college hoop.
eli#10
Cuttino Mobley
Posts: 2038
Joined: 11 years ago
x 1000

Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by eli#10 »

Isn't about time the Hall of Fame kick's Pitino's ass out?
0 x
User avatar
rjsuperfly66
Carlton Owens
Posts: 3425
Joined: 11 years ago
x 1440

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by rjsuperfly66 »

The fact that Pitino/Louisville can’t figure out why the championship needs to be vacated is hysterical to me.
2 x
User avatar
Blue Man
Tyson Wheeler
Posts: 7354
Joined: 11 years ago
x 14936

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Blue Man »

I just hate the vacating of championships.

There’s no men in black memory eraser thing. It happened. They won.

Fine schools money. Taking away wins and saying things didn’t happen is dumb. You can’t legislate people’s memories.
5 x
If you say you’re a Rhody fan, I know you are my brother. For you have suffered as I have suffered.

Give to the Athletic Director's Fund

Give to Rhody's NIL
User avatar
ATPTourFan
Frank Keaney
Posts: 12093
Joined: 11 years ago
Location: Wakefield, RI
x 4788
Contact:

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by ATPTourFan »

Nobody says you can’t remember it, but the offending party simply gets no credit for the memory.
0 x
Support Coach Miller & Rhody Basketball! Give to the Athletic Director's Fund
User avatar
Rhodymob05
Tyson Wheeler
Posts: 7383
Joined: 11 years ago
Location: Rhode Island
x 3953

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Rhodymob05 »

Yea the sad part is , those players worked their asses off and legitimately won the national title. No ones going to think someone else won in 2013. Hell I forgot about Michigan.
1 x
GO RAMS
User avatar
Blue Man
Tyson Wheeler
Posts: 7354
Joined: 11 years ago
x 14936

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Blue Man »

ATPTourFan wrote:Nobody says you can’t remember it, but the offending party simply gets no credit for the memory.
Tell that to Kevin Ware.

This is another short sighted punishment that hits the players instead of the offending party.

Fine the schools money. Fine the coaches money. That’s the only thing you can do to ensure the actual offending and guilty parties get punished.

The victory is the only thing “student” athletes are allowed to keep thanks to NCAA regulations...and now they’re taking that away.

Coaches can just leave a school and go somewhere new. Schools still got to cash all that money from the NCAA run. Kids don’t get any of that...they just get the wins. Let them keep those for Christ’s sake.
0 x
If you say you’re a Rhody fan, I know you are my brother. For you have suffered as I have suffered.

Give to the Athletic Director's Fund

Give to Rhody's NIL
hrstrat57
Sly Williams
Posts: 3850
Joined: 11 years ago
Location: Kingston
x 2315

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by hrstrat57 »

Regardless of how I feel about Pitino I’m with Blueman on this one.

Didn’t agree w uMass decision either.....
0 x
We're gonna run the picket fence at "em.....now boys don't get caught watchin' the paint dry!
urirx
ARD
Posts: 520
Joined: 11 years ago
x 351

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by urirx »

Pulling down banners punishes the coaches, the players at the time, and the fans. The coaches and athletes who were part of the program when the transgression occurred and the fans who looked the other way in the name of a championship season. The athletes are not innocent in this particular case. They know they can't bring recruits to parties, particularly with strippers when the recruits are underage. Just vacating wins hurts those that were there, instead of post season bans which do often hurt those that came after the problem.

How would this board reacted if they pulled down the 1998 elite 8 banner? sure we have the memories, but without the banner in the rafters it would be an empty feeling.
0 x
User avatar
Blue Man
Tyson Wheeler
Posts: 7354
Joined: 11 years ago
x 14936

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Blue Man »

urirx wrote:Pulling down banners punishes the coaches, the players at the time, and the fans. The coaches and athletes who were part of the program when the transgression occurred and the fans who looked the other way in the name of a championship season. The athletes are not innocent in this particular case. They know they can't bring recruits to parties, particularly with strippers when the recruits are underage. Just vacating wins hurts those that were there, instead of post season bans which do often hurt those that came after the problem.

How would this board reacted if they pulled down the 1998 elite 8 banner? sure we have the memories, but without the banner in the rafters it would be an empty feeling.
The “athletes” are 17-18 year old kids who don’t know any better. They come from situations no one on this board could possibly comprehend. The adults in their lives may not have any idea what is going on either. There’s no guidance and the coaches and teams “helping” them are preying on those kids and families for their own monetary gain. The kids are victims. The “95% of them who graduate with a degree in something other than sports” are used up like consumables and thrown away.

The fans are not “looking away” and ignoring problems...how the hell are they supposed to know what’s going on under the hood? Why do the fans need to be punished????

This isn’t some Penn State pedophelia ring that is damaging people that we’re talking about. All of these crimes are centered around money.

The adults who know better should be held accountable and punished via their ill gotten gains. I’m sure Rick Pitino feels really awful about his “vacated” title. I’m sure he’s drying his eyes with hundreds in one of his 16 room mansions.

Meanwhile a kid who didn’t go pro in basketball is sitting at home being told that the title he worked for doesn’t mean shit, so now he has nothing from all he gave to the game.

All at the same time the cash keeps pouring in at Louisville and all the other schools.

If a crime is money based, punish the offenders with money. The wins are more important to every other person that didn’t benefit financially.
Last edited by Blue Man 6 years ago, edited 1 time in total.
2 x
If you say you’re a Rhody fan, I know you are my brother. For you have suffered as I have suffered.

Give to the Athletic Director's Fund

Give to Rhody's NIL
User avatar
Da_Process_Survivor
Cuttino Mobley
Posts: 1749
Joined: 9 years ago
Location: Las Vegas
x 2181

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Da_Process_Survivor »

ATPTourFan wrote:Nobody says you can’t remember it, but the offending party simply gets no credit for the memory.
still doesnt make any sense to me though.

Vacating wins and titles implies that you were the only dirty team and everyone else was playing by the rules. We know that is a truckload of BS.

It's like steroids in baseball, Bonds/Clemens/McGwire should be in the HOF. Yeah, they juiced, but so did the guys they were playing against.

Point is every pro athlete, or team, will always push the envelope to get an edge. It's the very nature of competition.
1 x
---
He was a snake oil salesman...just like the rest of em
---
reef
Frank Keaney
Posts: 14770
Joined: 11 years ago
x 5145

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by reef »

Yeah I don't get the vacating titles thing either. Everyone knows they won it
1 x
User avatar
RF1
Ernie Calverley
Posts: 9072
Joined: 11 years ago
x 5492

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by RF1 »

Why should anyone care what Rick Pitino thinks? The man is a complete fraud.
2 x
UCH21377
Cuttino Mobley
Posts: 1590
Joined: 11 years ago
x 1001

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by UCH21377 »

Fine LVille 5 mil. No NCAA for 5 years. Allow their kids immediate transfers to any school. Just maybe they’ll think about it next time. Vacating past titles is ridiculous. Nobody cares
2 x
User avatar
Blue Man
Tyson Wheeler
Posts: 7354
Joined: 11 years ago
x 14936

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Blue Man »

UCH21377 wrote:Fine LVille 5 mil. No NCAA for 5 years. Allow their kids immediate transfers to any school. Just maybe they’ll think about it next time. Vacating past titles is ridiculous. Nobody cares
This is more like it.

Throw in a hefty fine for pretty ricky and I’m there.
0 x
If you say you’re a Rhody fan, I know you are my brother. For you have suffered as I have suffered.

Give to the Athletic Director's Fund

Give to Rhody's NIL
scine20
ARD
Posts: 660
Joined: 11 years ago
x 355

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by scine20 »

I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
1 x
Iggy1979
Sly Williams
Posts: 4504
Joined: 11 years ago
x 2005

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Iggy1979 »

I wish he'd go away
0 x
"Every season, college basketball has one or two teams that rise from dormancy to relevancy, squads that make long-awaited charges at the NCAA Tournament and become really fun storylines along the way."
User avatar
Rhode_Island_Red
Carlton Owens
Posts: 2726
Joined: 11 years ago
x 2587

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Rhode_Island_Red »

scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.
1 x
Proudly supplying the Internet with online wisecracks, impertinent comments and loathing of all things mental hospital since 1996.
scine20
ARD
Posts: 660
Joined: 11 years ago
x 355

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by scine20 »

Rhode_Island_Red wrote:
scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.
I understand the logic. I just don't agree. Louisville is on probation now for how long (as far as scholarship reduction)? How would you feel if you came to URI and boom they went on probation? Imagine being a freshman as Louisville right now. You basically have no hope of ever seeing a winning team.

I'd rather everyone involved get penalized than those not involved. No you can't fine the students but you can certainly fine the staff and the school as a whole.
0 x
User avatar
ATPTourFan
Frank Keaney
Posts: 12093
Joined: 11 years ago
Location: Wakefield, RI
x 4788
Contact:

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by ATPTourFan »

That's why the students should be allowed to transfer and be eligible immediately. But part of the penalty to the institution is the effect on recruiting as more competing coaches remind/warn recruits that Louisville may be sanctioned/banned, etc. This SHOULD be used against the school, especially a school with tons of money because often the only way to really hurt them is to keep the best players from signing there.
3 x
Support Coach Miller & Rhody Basketball! Give to the Athletic Director's Fund
User avatar
Blue Man
Tyson Wheeler
Posts: 7354
Joined: 11 years ago
x 14936

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Blue Man »

Rhode_Island_Red wrote:
scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.
Oh ok this take totally makes sense. I know when I give my donation to athletics they ask me if I want the money used for hookers or not (they actually don’t do that, they just ask if it’s general or basketball only)....are you serious?

Even if one jackwagon booster goes on his own to throw a hooker party, and it wasn’t a shoe company or grassroots guy...you are punishing the people who only care about seeing their program win, instead of the people who care about money.

The players played. The coaches coaches. The better team one. “Ineligibility” by NCAA standards is a JOKE. Taking a “stand” and punishing someone 5 years later by saying it doesn’t count is frivolous and ineffective.

It did count. Everyone saw it.

Punishments don’t exist for punishments sake. They exist to serve as a deterrent for other programs. They’ve been vacating things for a long time. It hasn’t stopped anything.

The coaches and execs who made money still get to keep it. The fans and players who were innocent or victims made memories and now they’re being told they don’t count. How does that make sense?

Start fining programs and coaches and I’d bet you start seeing actual change.
1 x
If you say you’re a Rhody fan, I know you are my brother. For you have suffered as I have suffered.

Give to the Athletic Director's Fund

Give to Rhody's NIL
User avatar
Da_Process_Survivor
Cuttino Mobley
Posts: 1749
Joined: 9 years ago
Location: Las Vegas
x 2181

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Da_Process_Survivor »

Blue Man wrote:
Rhode_Island_Red wrote:
scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.
Oh ok this take totally makes sense. I know when I give my donation to athletics they ask me if I want the money used for hookers or not (they actually don’t do that, they just ask if it’s general or basketball only)....are you serious?

Even if one jackwagon booster goes on his own to throw a hooker party, and it wasn’t a shoe company or grassroots guy...you are punishing the people who only care about seeing their program win, instead of the people who care about money.

The players played. The coaches coaches. The better team one. “Ineligibility” by NCAA standards is a JOKE. Taking a “stand” and punishing someone 5 years later by saying it doesn’t count is frivolous and ineffective.

It did count. Everyone saw it.

Punishments don’t exist for punishments sake. They exist to serve as a deterrent for other programs. They’ve been vacating things for a long time. It hasn’t stopped anything.

The coaches and execs who made money still get to keep it. The fans and players who were innocent or victims made memories and now they’re being told they don’t count. How does that make sense?

Start fining programs and coaches and I’d bet you start seeing actual change.
you're getting some of that here at least with the NCAA taking back all money from tourney credits over that timeframe, but they still did the garbage move of vacating wins.

the problem is even hammering the program itself doesnt touch the coach (see Calipari). Like you said they need to directly go after coaches too.

They also need to be consistent. example:

Notre Dame just had to vacate 2 years of wins due to academic infractions.....UNC had a decade of fake classes and fake grades for athletes and got a "now dont you do it again" from the NCAA

SMU got the death penalty for paying recruits....Penn State got a relative slap on the wrist for the biggest scandal in NCAA history (Sandusky)
1 x
---
He was a snake oil salesman...just like the rest of em
---
User avatar
RhowdyRam02
Frank Keaney
Posts: 10234
Joined: 11 years ago
x 6497

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by RhowdyRam02 »

At the time biggest scandal. Michigan State now would have to be the biggest
0 x
Take down the Robert Carothers banner and fix the concession stand lines
User avatar
Da_Process_Survivor
Cuttino Mobley
Posts: 1749
Joined: 9 years ago
Location: Las Vegas
x 2181

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Da_Process_Survivor »

RhowdyRam02 wrote:At the time biggest scandal. Michigan State now would have to be the biggest
not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rape
1 x
---
He was a snake oil salesman...just like the rest of em
---
User avatar
RhowdyRam02
Frank Keaney
Posts: 10234
Joined: 11 years ago
x 6497

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by RhowdyRam02 »

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:At the time biggest scandal. Michigan State now would have to be the biggest
not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rape
Murder for hire? What thing do you think I'm thinking of? I'm talking about the MSU doctor, Larry Nassar, who was involved with the sex abuse of all the gymnasts. He's accused of abusing at least 250 as far back as 1992, claiming the abuse was part of what he needed to do for their care
0 x
Take down the Robert Carothers banner and fix the concession stand lines
User avatar
Da_Process_Survivor
Cuttino Mobley
Posts: 1749
Joined: 9 years ago
Location: Las Vegas
x 2181

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Da_Process_Survivor »

RhowdyRam02 wrote:
Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:At the time biggest scandal. Michigan State now would have to be the biggest
not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rape
Murder for hire? What thing do you think I'm thinking of? I'm talking about the MSU doctor, Larry Nassar, who was involved with the sex abuse of all the gymnasts. He's accused of abusing at least 250 as far back as 1992, claiming the abuse was part of what he needed to do for their care
yeah, i know what youre talking about. What I said was "short of murder for hire" aka, unless a school was organizing murder for hire you cant get worse than raping kids.

Penn St turned a blind eye to known child rape for 30 years. They let Sandusky have contact with kids and be a part of the kids camps knowing he was a pedophile. That is so far beyond what Nassar did. Trust me, Nassar deserves to be buried under the prison, but there's nothing more despicable than abusing children.
0 x
---
He was a snake oil salesman...just like the rest of em
---
Shaolin Swat
ARD
Posts: 502
Joined: 9 years ago
x 154

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Shaolin Swat »

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:
Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rape
Murder for hire? What thing do you think I'm thinking of? I'm talking about the MSU doctor, Larry Nassar, who was involved with the sex abuse of all the gymnasts. He's accused of abusing at least 250 as far back as 1992, claiming the abuse was part of what he needed to do for their care
yeah, i know what youre talking about. What I said was "short of murder for hire" aka, unless a school was organizing murder for hire you cant get worse than raping kids.

Penn St turned a blind eye to known child rape for 30 years. They let Sandusky have contact with kids and be a part of the kids camps knowing he was a pedophile. That is so far beyond what Nassar did. Trust me, Nassar deserves to be buried under the prison, but there's nothing more despicable than abusing children.
Am I missing something? Nassar was abusing children as well.
4 x
User avatar
Rhode_Island_Red
Carlton Owens
Posts: 2726
Joined: 11 years ago
x 2587

Re: Louisville and Pitino

Unread post by Rhode_Island_Red »

And BTW, Louisville's been crooked since Denny Crum began buying players in the 1970s.
0 x
Proudly supplying the Internet with online wisecracks, impertinent comments and loathing of all things mental hospital since 1996.
Post Reply