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Postby URI2006_Andy » 1 month ago

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URI2006_Andy wrote:I think beating Seton Hall without EC and Langevine made the win less credible in the eyes of the AP voters. Based on their voting (SH 26, URI 37), the win was viewed more as a fluke instead of URI’s short handed team is better than Seton Hall. Maybe if we had beat them full strength, voters wouldve just accepted that URI is a better team and voted accordingly.


I don't think that's true, you just have to remember how the polls work... Week 3, Seton Hall was ranked by all but 4 pollsters and had 32 pollsters who ranked them in their Top 20. In fact, they had 4 pollsters rank them in the Top 15. This week factoring a drop on some of those brackets, Seton Hall still has 4 pollsters who list them inside their Top 20. Doug Haller, for example, dropped Seton Hall from #11 last week to #19 this week. But for some, the drop was much smaller, and ultimately there were still 25 pollsters who listed Seton Hall in their Top 25 from last week. It's not as simple as one team beat the other...


I agree with you that the proper way to analyze the polls is by individual voter.

Doug Haller, since you brought him up, is a perfect example of my point. He had URI ranked 25 to start the season, the next week he had them at 23. So he considered URI a top 25 team for the first 2 weeks of the season. Then, URI lost at Nevada and EC was announced out for 4-6 weeks. Understandably, Haller dropped URI out of the rankings. Then URI comes back and beats Haller’s #11 team in the country on a neutral floor. But yet, URI does not come back into Haller’s top 25.

So in some manner, Haller either disregarded his thinking in the first 2 polls and never really thought URI was a top 25 team, full strength or not, or he considered URI’s win over Seton Hall to be something of a fluke. Probably a combination of the two. Only Haller, in his infinite wisdom, can answer.
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Postby UCH21377 » 1 month ago

Do you think all these guys are spending more than 5 minutes looking at this stuff so early in the season? Maybe they do but I bet plenty of them just take a quick look
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Postby URI2006_Andy » 1 month ago

You’re probably right UCH but accepting that would be boring for fans like me who enjoy being a nerd and analyzing the polls.
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Postby ATPTourFan » 1 month ago

A 1 point head to head win on a neutral floor won’t automatically place Rhode Island over seton hall in the polls. Not all other factors between those teams are equal.
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ATPTourFan wrote:A 1 point head to head win on a neutral floor won’t automatically place Rhode Island over seton hall in the polls. Not all other factors between those teams are equal.


I agree but in this case it should.

To say Seton Hall’s overall body of work is clearly better than URI’s is a stretch. Given that the overall body of work of the 2 teams is similar and that the 2 teams were essentially viewed as even going into the season, the deciding factor should be their head to head game played on a neutral floor.

If URI had beaten Nevada and Vandy but lost to Seton Hall when Seton Hall was missing Delgado and URI was at full strength, do you think any voters would consider URI a better team than Seton Hall? No chance. So why is the opposite true?
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URI2006_Andy wrote:
ATPTourFan wrote:A 1 point head to head win on a neutral floor won’t automatically place Rhode Island over seton hall in the polls. Not all other factors between those teams are equal.


To say Seton Hall’s overall body of work is clearly better than URI’s is a stretch. Given that the overall body of work of the 2 teams is similar and that the 2 teams were essentially viewed as even going into the season, the deciding factor should be their head to head game played on a neutral floor.

If URI had beaten Nevada and Vandy but lost to Seton Hall when Seton Hall was missing Delgado and URI was at full strength, do you think any voters would consider URI a better team than Seton Hall? No chance. So why is the opposite true?


That's a broken argument. Again, you have to remember how the polls work. If someone ranks someone #1 in their poll, an unranked team with a few good wins isn't going to hop their way past them because of "resume." Seton Hall was ranked in all but 4 polls last week, URI was ranked in just 1. Seton Hall saw a significant drop across the board, but only URI saw one additional poll addition. Is it simply possible that many of these other people had URI slotted 35+ and couldn't justify an inclusion into their poll despite a positive week?

Also, I think you have to factor in "research." It's too early to rely on RPI, I think many "experts" use KenPom to help justify things they are unsure about. Seton Hall ranks 24 in KenPom, URI ranks 51. I think that does factor in some in the early stages of the season.
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Postby URI2006_Andy » 1 month ago

Arizona state is 58 in the kenpom. Voters gave weight to ASU’s results over Xavier and most voters had ASU ahead of X and rightfully so until shown otherwise.
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Postby Shaolin Swat » 1 month ago

In this particular case, I think Arizona State's 6-0 record with a top 25 win has more to do with them being ranked than their KenPom ranking.
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Postby ATPTourFan » 1 month ago

Right. Easy case of high profile wins and a perfect record to easily place in the polls.
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Postby Blue Man » 1 month ago

I don’t need a poll to tell me who the best team in the state is
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Postby Mongo » 1 month ago

Here is an updated CBS Sports poll as of today.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -mcduffie/
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Postby RamIt! » 1 month ago

Mongo wrote:Here is an updated CBS Sports poll as of today.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -mcduffie/


Should be interesting to see how true that is after this afternoons outcomes, big Seton Hall win, Alabama loss... I think a top 25 would be premature for us without a win over ‘Bama
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Bama and Creighton will be out, Seton Hall and Nevada in.
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Seth Davis continues to give us love
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25th in CBS poll
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Nevada?
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Postby Rhodymob05 » 1 month ago

Seton Hall just took down two ranked teams in Texas Texh and Louisville, they should be top 15 easily. Rhody I can see around 25.
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Would be nice to see us get in there tomorrow.
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Postby reef » 1 month ago

Wow Seth has us at 17 and Nevada unranked. People in Reno are probably not to fond of Seth

Great to see Hall win at Louisville but not happy Bama losing at home as 11 point fav

Let's see what this AP poll looks like
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Postby RhowdyRam02 » 1 month ago

Roz wrote:Nevada?


I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but his reasoning is probably along the lines of our best win (Seton Hall neutral) is better than their best win (us at home). Our best win happened without two of our top players and their schedule so far isn't necessarily the strongest. Half of their games have been played against kenpom 200 or worse teams.
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Postby RhowdyRam02 » 1 month ago

Andy Katz has us as 19th in his Power 36 this week.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men ... ment-dec-4

He's making it sound like a definite that EC will be back for College of Charleston
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ess-pac-12

Espn has URI at #23. Our two loses of the year so far are #21 Nevada and #15 Virginia. Our best win, Seton Hall at #17. Thats what I call a great start. We may actually be ranked over Bama heading in to Wednesday after their loss to UCF. Turn of events for sure.
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Postby Rhody15 » 1 month ago

Win on Wednesday and we 100% will be ranked in next weeks poll.

My guess is we end up 27-29 in this weeks.
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28th in the AP Poll
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28th this week in AP
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I'll accept that.
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Rhody15 wrote:Win on Wednesday and we 100% will be ranked in next weeks poll.

My guess is we end up 27-29 in this weeks.

Look at this guy! Let's beat Bama and get ranked!

We made Kevin McNamara's ballot @ #25. He was one of 21 media members to give Rhody a spot in their ballot.

http://www.collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/rhode-island-rams/2017
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Postby SmartyBarrett » 1 month ago

David Cloninger of Columbia, South Carolina is bad and should feel bad.

He has PC in, Seton Hall in, PC AHEAD OF SETON HALL (!!!), and URI out.

Boo this man.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketbal ... 017/week-5
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RFORTE wrote:28th in the AP Poll

I figured we would need to beat Alabama to crack the Top 25 again. Let's do it!
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SmartyBarrett wrote:David Cloninger of Columbia, South Carolina is bad and should feel bad.

He has PC in, Seton Hall in, PC AHEAD OF SETON HALL (!!!), and URI out.

Boo this man.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketbal ... 017/week-5


how the fuck does this guy have PC ahead of not only Rhody, but Seton Hall!!! Is this clown even watching basketball, is he seeing the resume and schedules for both URI and SH??

PC schedule is a cupcake compared to both, what a loser!
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Postby SmartyBarrett » 1 month ago

Seton Hall had a hell of a week. If someone wants to put them a spot or two ahead of URI I think that's mostly fine. But PC's best win as of right now is Belmont. Pretty sure both URI and Seton Hall can top that...
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SmartyBarrett wrote:David Cloninger of Columbia, South Carolina is bad and should feel bad.

He has PC in, Seton Hall in, PC AHEAD OF SETON HALL (!!!), and URI out.

Boo this man.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketbal ... 017/week-5


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wpbrown8267 wrote:
SmartyBarrett wrote:David Cloninger of Columbia, South Carolina is bad and should feel bad.

He has PC in, Seton Hall in, PC AHEAD OF SETON HALL (!!!), and URI out.

Boo this man.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketbal ... 017/week-5


how the fuck does this guy have PC ahead of not only Rhody, but Seton Hall!!! Is this clown even watching basketball, is he seeing the resume and schedules for both URI and SH??

PC schedule is a cupcake compared to both, what a loser!


Usually I defend out of state writers who don't really get a chance to follow teams early in the season...but even just glancing at a scoreboard of those teams wouldn't have PC anywhere near the rankings.

I am not saying we should be ranked right now, I think 28 is accurate as we've pulled one upset but done exactly what the expectations were in every other game (losing as dogs to Nevada/UVA). I think one more win to put us in is completely fair.

However, this dude can go sit on a fence post. If you have an AP vote and at 3/4 of the way through the OOC you can't be bothered to do 15 minutes of research on the top 30 teams in the country before voting, you shouldn't be anywhere near a sports ballot.
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Postby bigappleram » 1 month ago

In 120 minutes of action vs Creighton (NCAAs), Seton Hall and Providence we have been in the lead for approximately 100 minutes.
Or roughly 85% of the game time.

Basically, we own the Big East. :)
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Postby bigappleram » 1 month ago

Also of note, those are 3 of the Top 5 BE programs for last season and this one. Creighton team this year is the exact team we played, minus their NBA prospect Center (Patten) who is now gone to the pros.
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I am surprised USC stayed ranked ????
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Received 1 vote in the AP Poll and 14 in the Coaches Poll this week.
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We got a vote we got a vote !!!
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Postby ATPTourFan » 1 month ago

Time for a nice winning streak to get us into Top 25. Lots of ranked teams are losing games so it will be interesting to see if we picked up a few more votes today.
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Rothstein has Rhody #24
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Postby ATPTourFan » 1 month ago

Sorry for consecutive posts... but this week's USA Today Coach's Poll has Rhody at #32 with 14 points.

AP Poll is out, Rhody is #38 with just 2 points via Jon Rothstein's #24 placement (see above tweet).
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Katz got Bonnie's at 36 also
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I still like the place we are in with this schedule. Even better than being undefeated with all cupcakes.
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Rhodymob05 wrote:I still like the place we are in with this schedule. Even better than being undefeated with all cupcakes.


You mean you don't want to be like West Virginia and take on the great 0-11 Coppin State tonight?
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Postby KevanBoyles » 4 weeks ago

Bonnie’s Get 5 votes and Rhody 2 in the new AP poll. What gives?

RealTimeRPI has us finishing 19-10. 11-7 in the A 10?

Is this because although we are winning, we are not doing so in strong fashion? Something else? What am I missing?
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Probably some dumb computer calculations pay no attention to it
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KevanBoyles wrote:Bonnie’s Get 5 votes and Rhody 2 in the new AP poll. What gives?

RealTimeRPI has us finishing 19-10. 11-7 in the A 10?

Is this because although we are winning, we are not doing so in strong fashion? Something else? What am I missing?


It’s dumb. Bonnie’s beat a bad Syracuse team playing like dogshit in the entire second half and they jump uri in peoples minds. It’s a what have done for me lately society.
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Postby Dre3000 » 4 weeks ago

In all honesty I hope the Bonnies don't lose until they play us and come in as a ranked opponent. Would make for an exciting game that will likely go a long way to determining the conference champ.
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They won't be ranked we play them in 2 weeks
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