Rhody and A10 in the Top 25 Polls: 2017-18

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Postby Native » 1 week ago

The AP Poll is typically discussed in terms of a team's ranking. I find it equally interesting to look at the AP Poll points, which are the basis for the ranking.

For example, In week 14 of the AP Poll, URI received 486 points from the AP Poll particpants; in week 15, URI score jumped to 666 points, an increase of 37%. Although not as impressive as the 150% increase in points that North Carolina received this week, the 37% increase in score points is indicative of the fact that more of the AP voters have become aware of the achievements that URI M-BB is making this season. .

Also, looking solely at the AP Poll rankings obscures the natural clustering that tends to occur in any sample of values. Looking at the AP Poll point scores (rather than at the AP Poll rankings) allows the various teams to be "clustered" based on their average point scores for that week.

For week 15 of the AP Poll, such a "clustered" ordering based on the average of how each of the AP voters scored each team would look lke this:

First place             Virginia

tied for second Michigan State
Villanova

third place Xavier

fourth place Cincinnati

tied for sixth place Purdue
Texas Tech

eighth place Ohio State

tied for ninth place Gonzaga
Auburn

tied in eleventh place Clemson
Duke

tied thirteenth place Kansas
North Carolina

tied fifteenth place Saint Mary's
Rhode Island

tied sixteenth place Arizona
Tennessee

eighteenth place Wichita State

twentieth place West Virginia

tied twenty-first place Texas A&M
Michigan

twenty-third place Oklahoma

tied twenty-fourth Nevada
Arizona State


The above analysis is reinforced by URI's #14 placement in the Coaches Poll.

A graphical representation for the AP Poll point scores for last week and this week are as follows (with the Rhode Island entry each week colored blue):

Week 14  AP Poll points.jpg
Week 15  AP Poll points.jpg


My summary points are
  • that this week URI has taken a meaningful step "up" in times of national awareness
  • that the national rating on a subjective "national experts doing the selection" basis (as opposed to the computerized objective rating supplied by the BPI, KenPom, and Sagarin numbers) would place URI M-BB as being rated #15 in the country, for this week at least
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Postby theblueram » 1 week ago

URI at #16/14!!!!!!! It gets better every day!!!!!!
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Postby Rhode_Island_Red » 1 week ago

Any word from Li'l Kevie about his(ha!) ballot(ha!)?
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Postby PeteRI » 6 days ago

Wonder how high we'll be ranked if we take out the Bonnie's this Friday???
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Postby Paleoguy » 4 days ago

PeteRI wrote:Wonder how high we'll be ranked if we take out the Bonnie's this Friday???


As of Friday morning, these teams have lost this week: # 3, 5, 6, 8, 11, 15, 21, 23, 25. St. Mary's is # 15, and they lost at San Francisco. We would be no worse then #15 if we win. Barring any leapfrogging....
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Postby Rhody Guy » 4 days ago

Arizona will jump us after beating az st I think.
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Postby rhodysurf » 4 days ago

Rhody has officially made it... into the best power rankings on the internet lol

https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/16/170 ... texas-tech
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Postby Ramulous » 3 days ago

Wasted my time reading that shit.....
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Postby Blue Man » 3 days ago

rhodysurf wrote:Rhody has officially made it... into the best power rankings on the internet lol

https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/16/170 ... texas-tech


I enjoyed the hell out of this lol.
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Postby reef » 3 days ago

If we win tonight do we pass Clemson???
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Postby ATPTourFan » 2 days ago

We’re at #20 on Gary Parrish’s top 25 and 1 on CBS

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Postby theblueram » 2 days ago

It's laughable he has 2 teams with 10 losses in the top 25. What a joke.
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Here is the list of teams in the top 25 that lost this week so far:
Villanova
Xavier
Cincinnati
Purdue
Ohio State
Auburn
Clemson
Saint Mary's
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arizona State
Rhode Island
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theblueram wrote:Here is the list of teams in the top 25 that lost this week so far:
Villanova
Xavier
Cincinnati
Purdue
Ohio State
Auburn
Clemson
Saint Mary's
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arizona State
Rhode Island


Wow, that's almost half of the Top 25. (I know that's statistically impossible but you know what I mean.)
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PeteRI wrote:
theblueram wrote:Here is the list of teams in the top 25 that lost this week so far:
Villanova
Xavier
Cincinnati
Purdue
Ohio State
Auburn
Clemson
Saint Mary's
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arizona State
Rhode Island


Wow, that's almost half of the Top 25. (I know that's statistically impossible but you know what I mean.)


Add Tennessee and West Virginia to the list.

Add Texas Tech as well.
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Postby hrstrat57 » 2 days ago

We should not move down much as a result of losing a game in Olean when we had multiple legit shots to force overtime.

Unless of course the whole thing is a sham....
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hrstrat57 wrote:We should not move down much as a result of losing a game in Olean when we had multiple legit shots to force overtime.

Unless of course the whole thing is a sham....


Cartel. We'll drop four or five places. And speaking of shams, I can't wait to see Li'l Kevie's ballot.
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Postby reef » 1 day ago

My guess is ranked 20 ???
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We will still be in the top 20. I'm guessing 19.
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Rhode_Island_Red wrote:
hrstrat57 wrote:We should not move down much as a result of losing a game in Olean when we had multiple legit shots to force overtime.

Unless of course the whole thing is a sham....


Cartel. We'll drop four or five places. And speaking of shams, I can't wait to see Li'l Kevie's ballot.


I would give 2:1 odds that McNamara does not have us in his top-25 this week.
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Considering everyone lost this week, I'm thinking we end up back at 18/19
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Postby ramster » 1 day ago

and to think where we could have been come Monday

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TruePoint wrote:
Rhode_Island_Red wrote:
hrstrat57 wrote:We should not move down much as a result of losing a game in Olean when we had multiple legit shots to force overtime.

Unless of course the whole thing is a sham....


Cartel. We'll drop four or five places. And speaking of shams, I can't wait to see Li'l Kevie's ballot.


I would give 2:1 odds that McNamara does not have us in his top-25 this week.



i'll take those odds.
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Beers?
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TruePoint wrote:Beers?



sure...I usually go to the Mews for a bite before the game. beers sound great! I'll even let you off at 1:1 :)
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Postby reckless jake » 1 day ago

Seth Davis always releases his Top 25 ballot on Sunday evening; we dropped from # 14 last week to # 16 this week. A two spot drop in the Top 25 poll is about what I expected. We've got 4 regular season games to get those two spots back.

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RhodyRam86 wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Beers?



sure...I usually go to the Mews for a bite before the game. beers sound great! I'll even let you off at 1:1 :)


Good deal. Sounds like a win-win for me.
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Staying below 20 would be nice. Will see how the voters feel tomorrow.
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Lil Kevie will have us in that's a long way to drop out considering all the other losses by top 25 teams
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ramster wrote:and to think where we could have been come Monday

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Top 10???
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reef wrote:Lil Kevie will have us in that's a long way to drop out considering all the other losses by top 25 teams


It would be a long way down from 16. But he didn’t have us at 16.
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I want a listing of the names of guys who vote us outside top 25 tomorrow
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Postby ATPTourFan » 1 day ago

In Kevin's defense, he hasn't been more than a couple positions from "actual" Rhody poll position the whole time we were getting serious consideration. Not sure why the hate, since we've identified some other journalists who only last week gave Rhody their first vote, and at #25 no less. Just scroll up if you wanna go after someone's ballot.
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ATPTourFan wrote:In Kevin's defense, he hasn't been more than a couple positions from "actual" Rhody poll position the whole time we were getting serious consideration. Not sure why the hate, since we've identified some other journalists who only last week gave Rhody their first vote, and at #25 no less. Just scroll up if you wanna go after someone's ballot.

Normally, the local writer would be slightly above rather than slightly below.
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Postby ATPTourFan » 1 day ago

I would rather Kevin be within 2 +/- actual position and not artificially push Rhody higher than they deserve in his mind. There are plenty of terrible voters out there and the last thing we want to SUPPORT is local media boosting their local teams. How about we just ask that they do their homework and put together a reasonably logical ballot?
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The most obvious answer is because it is fun. The real answer is that him consistently being lower on URI than the rest of the voters (only 4 voters had URI lower on their ballots) and him having been late to including URI in the first place - combined with the fact that we play in his market and he should not be later or less convinced than all of these voters outside the market - calls his objectiveness into question, especially considering all of the history there.
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I bet Kev puts Rhody above everyone else based on the Bill Reynolds article. He doesn’t watch the games. He might not know uri lost.
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Rhode Island's ranking for this week's poll released 02/19/18:

#18


https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
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NICE!!!!! Now let's take care of business the next two weeks
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RF1 wrote:Rhode Island's ranking for this week's poll released 02/19/18:

#18


https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


It only took losing 8 of 10 for OU to finally drop out
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Five straight weeks of being ranked.
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Postby Paleoguy » 1 day ago

URI'21 wrote:
ramster wrote:and to think where we could have been come Monday

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Top 10???


I think we would actually have been no higher then 13-14.....
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RF1 wrote:Rhode Island's ranking for this week's poll released 02/19/18:

#18


https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


That's great! Now, let's win out and enter the NCAA tourney with our highest final ranking ever....
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Postby HASwatTeam » 1 day ago

Here we are a year out from knowing we needed to win the A10 Tourney to get a bid, and I'm going to state that I loved the St. Bonnies loss. This is speaking relatively, but it resets the clock. Now the pressure is mostly off, we felt the pain of defeat, and are recharged for the rest of the season.

No shit we always want to win every game, but sometimes you have to look at things strategically. The SB loss, like the Fordham one last year, may be the best thing to happen all season.
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Postby hrstrat57 » 23 hours ago

Solid, nice.

St Bona should be encouraged as well that Rhody only dropped 2 spots.

Bonnies always been hard to hate for me. Good to see them with a solid program.
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hrstrat57 wrote:Solid, nice.

St Bona should be encouraged as well that Rhody only dropped 2 spots.

Bonnies always been hard to hate for me. Good to see them with a solid program.


To be honest, as much as losing is never "good" that loss looks to have helped the A10 overall. We will get the benefits of having another high RPI team in conference boost up the other teams' schedules.

That said both we and the bonnies need to run the table to March 11th, with a Rhody victory and a 5 seed :)
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HASwatTeam wrote:Here we are a year out from knowing we needed to win the A10 Tourney to get a bid, and I'm going to state that I loved the St. Bonnies loss. This is speaking relatively, but it resets the clock. Now the pressure is mostly off, we felt the pain of defeat, and are recharged for the rest of the season.

No shit we always want to win every game, but sometimes you have to look at things strategically. The SB loss, like the Fordham one last year, may be the best thing to happen all season.


I don't think you can ever call any loss a 'best thing' in and of itself. It totally depends on how the team responds.
If they had lost the game after Fordham, or if they were to lose tomorrow (they won't), I don't think either would be called a 'good' thing...but totally see blue's point on helping the A10 overall.
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:
HASwatTeam wrote:Here we are a year out from knowing we needed to win the A10 Tourney to get a bid, and I'm going to state that I loved the St. Bonnies loss. This is speaking relatively, but it resets the clock. Now the pressure is mostly off, we felt the pain of defeat, and are recharged for the rest of the season.

No shit we always want to win every game, but sometimes you have to look at things strategically. The SB loss, like the Fordham one last year, may be the best thing to happen all season.


I don't think you can ever call any loss a 'best thing' in and of itself. It totally depends on how the team responds.
If they had lost the game after Fordham, or if they were to lose tomorrow (they won't), I don't think either would be called a 'good' thing...but totally see blue's point on helping the A10 overall.


its good in the sense that they dont have to think about the streak anymore or a perfect A10 season anymore.

Lets them relax...and really this year you cant have a better loss than losing at SBU

edit: 18 in the coaches poll....so 18/18 now. more than fair
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Postby reef » 23 hours ago

Did any voters leave us outside Top 25 ???
Where Lil Kevie have us ??
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Postby adam914 » 23 hours ago

Pretty pleased with 18 all around. Seems totally fair to me. Now let's not lose again until April (or never works to).
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