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Re: 11/13 | Nevada Wolf Pack | 11:30PM (ESPNU)

Unread postby Iggy1979 » 6 days ago

4Diffs wrote:Tough game last night. Nevada is a good team and playing at 11:30 eastern time after travelling cross country was no easy task.

A lot of good comments in this thread. My main concern is with Langevine. For us to be the team we all hope for, he needs to be much better than he has been in the first 2 games. After the way he played down the stretch last year and in the NCAA tournament as a freshman, I was expecting big things from him this year. He is off to a very rough start. He needs to pick up his play or this team will struggle mightily against teams with any decent size.

One pet peeve from last night. I will never understand not doubling a player that it is clear that your team cannot handle one on one. This happened last year against Valparaiso as Alec Peters essentially beat us last year, and we did not double him once last year in that game. Make somebody else beat you.

Same thing last night with Nevada's big guy. I know one time they did double him, and he found an open guy for a layup but I would have done it until proven otherwise that it was not a good strategy. Playing him straight up one on one certainly was not working. He was not your typical big, but you still could have run a second player at him to get the ball out of his hands.

And the turning point for me in that game last night was that crazy three point shot hit by one of the Martin twins with just over 2 minutes left. Was a 3 point game at that time and that pushed it to 6.

On to Holy Cross.


Excellent point on double teaming. I had mentioned a zone prior -- I'm just surprised Hurley didn't try something. They were scoring points every trip. Another turning point was when JT had a drive pop out and then committed a foul. Great half by JT but if that one had gone in ...
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bigappleram wrote:.... if not for a desperation 25 foot three pointer going down that game was going down to the last possession.


If someone wanted to torture me for whatever reason (and I don't doubt that some people do), one way to do it would be to assemble a highlight real of absurd dagger threes hit against URI just in the last decade or so. It would literally be five minutes long and it would make me die inside.
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Unread postby rambone 78 » 6 days ago

It really does seem like every time an opponent needs to make a three at the end of games, either open or a prayer, they go in and kill us....

Of course the worst was Lee's line drive against us with a minute or so to go in the Stanford game...and that was almost 20 years ago.

We are owed a few misses, and soon.
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Unread postby Da_Process_Survivor » 6 days ago

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bigappleram wrote:.... if not for a desperation 25 foot three pointer going down that game was going down to the last possession.


If someone wanted to torture me for whatever reason (and I don't doubt that some people do), one way to do it would be to assemble a highlight real of absurd dagger threes hit against URI just in the last decade or so. It would literally be five minutes long and it would make me die inside.


top of the list... Dorsey x2 in the tourney and Gibbs' miracle heave in Kingston 2 years ago...costing them the regular season A10 title and likely an at large bid as well.
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Unread postby PackHoops » 6 days ago

Hey guys,

Just wanted to pop in and say that you guys have a great team and I was impressed with the grit your team showed. As fans I’m sure you guys were pissed about the foul discrepancy as I probably would be if it was the other way around. I will say that is part of Nevada’s game they got to the foul line a ridiculous amount the last two years under Muss. I will say I don’t think I’ve ever seen 3 players foul out though. The way you guys fought back in the 2nd half really could have gone either way, Caleb’s lucky 3 really was a dagger. Anyway I’m looking forward to this game next year in your house, both teams played hard and was fun watching. I hope you guys win the rest of your games this year.
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Unread postby ElmCityRhody » 6 days ago

Nevada earned the right to have more FTs than URI.. the discrepancy was a bit staggering... not blaming FTs tho.. you guys played a solid game and have a solid team... best of luck and enjoy the ride.
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Unread postby NJRhodyFan » 6 days ago

Tough loss, but one I'm not all that concerned about. If anything, it was a great early season test for our guys that will hopefully pay dividends down the road. That was a very good Nevada team we lost to, and anybody saying otherwise didn't watch the game. At the end of the day it was the second game of the season, all the way across the country with an 11:30pm tipoff against a top 25-caliber team. Not exactly a recipe for success. Factor in the enormous FT disparity (44 to 18) and it's amazing that we only lost by 7. Don't forget it was a 2-point game late in the second half before those circus 3-pointers by Martin put the game out of reach. Our guys will learn from this. I trust we'll see a much better performance our next time out.

As far as the individual players, a lot of good comments being made on here. I agree that our frontcourt defense (or lack thereof) is a bit worrisome, but I'll need to see a few more games against solid competition before I pass judgement. Hurley will (hopefully) make adjustments to mask some of our deficiencies. That's what good coaches do. Few quick comments:

EC - Invisible in the first half and too many turnovers overall, but he and Terrell put the team on their backs in the second half. Through two games this year and all of last season, too often this has become the trend. It seems like he takes an entire half to warm up which is why we're continually playing from behind late in games. If he can turn it on earlier then we'll be able to pad a lead and not have to expend so much energy scratching and clawing to come back late. He's a dynamic scorer when everything is clicking, but I want to see more consistency out of him.

Terrell - Like many of our Keaney Blue posters, I feel he's our best all-around player. But his performance last night was eerily similar to EC's. He was a no-show in the first half, but a beast in the second half. We can't have both of these guys disappear in the same half. We won't win many games, if any, that way. Terrell is such a great defender and he can definitely shoot from long range, but I'd love to see him take it to the rim more often. That's where his bread and butter is. He's so strong and knows how to use his body strength to his advantage. I'm not saying he should pass up open looks on the perimeter, but let the rest of the guards focus on the threes, he needs to be driving the lane.

Garrett - I thought he quietly played a solid game last night. He's a true floor general out there, and his shot looked great. I didn't see his usual intensity on defense, but otherwise I have no complaints about his performance. In a loaded backcourt, I still think JG should be playing meaningful minutes. He has the experience and the toughness to keep us on track.

Langevine - Very disappointing performance. And rest-assured he will foul out of every single game this year if he continues to play defense the way he does. It's maddening. He's played an average of 16 minutes the first two games due to the constant foul trouble. That's unacceptable especially since he's our only legitimate big man at the moment. He also wasn't crashing the boards with his usual intensity last night, but let's hope it was an aberration due in part to the extensive travel and late tipoff.

Akele - I was pleasantly surprised by his performance last night. 8 points and 6 rebounds in limited minutes, and he was the only one defending in the paint. He'll never be a banger down low, but it appears he'll need to step up his defensive game if we're going to have any shot of winning games versus bigger teams. So far he appears to be up for the challenge.

Dowtin - Yuck. He did have 6 assists, but he was a liability every time he touched the ball last night. The high number of forced shots coupled with some boneheaded turnovers really preventing the team from making any kind of run. Very forgettable performance, but I expect big things from him this year. He'll bounce back nicely against Holy Cross.

Preston - Tough to gauge his ability because he played so few minutes, but he definitely looks the part and plays with a competitive edge. I'd love to see what he can do with more playing time. We need all the size we can get up front.

Berry - Has an incredibly soft touch for a big man and is certainly an asset on the offensive side, but boy is he a defensive liability. Will be interesting to see how Hurley manages his minutes on a go forward.

Fatts - Flashed some incredible speed in limited action and has a great handle. I think he deserves more playing time, but we're so loaded in the backcourt at the moment. I fear he's one of the last few guys off the bench for the foreseeable future.
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Unread postby Rhody83 » 6 days ago

Some thoughts on the game:
They lost the game at the end of the first half. Dowtin on FT line could reduce lead to 2. Misses front end. Loses his player on other end for 3. Dowtin turns it over on next possession. Nevada comes down with old fashion 3 putting them up 10. All in the last 1+ minute.

URI fouls too much. They did last year too. I think someone posted in another thread that their opponents were near the top in FTA per game last year. Don’t confuse good defense with playing tight and fouling too much. URI is the later.

Dowtin and Cyril killed Rhody in the first half.

An experience deep backcourt shouldn’t have 10 turnovers in the first half.

How does Dowtin get that many minutes when he was playing so poorly and Garrett was playing well.

Preston should play more.

Berry’s offense is needed.
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Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
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bigappleram wrote:.... if not for a desperation 25 foot three pointer going down that game was going down to the last possession.


If someone wanted to torture me for whatever reason (and I don't doubt that some people do), one way to do it would be to assemble a highlight real of absurd dagger threes hit against URI just in the last decade or so. It would literally be five minutes long and it would make me die inside.


top of the list... Dorsey x2 in the tourney and Gibbs' miracle heave in Kingston 2 years ago...costing them the regular season A10 title and likely an at large bid as well.


Too many to even name. But those ones you mentioned plus the Xeyrius Williams threes in our home loss to Dayton last season are the ones that immediately jump out at me.
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Unread postby bigappleram » 6 days ago

"Another turning point was when JT had a drive pop out and then committed a foul. Great half by JT but if that one had gone in ..."

Agree Iggy, it was 80-76 at that point, and that is a shot Jared hits 9 times out of 10.

I think Nevada was close to a 40% three point shooting team last year, probably was the main reason we weren't doubling. But I agree, at a certain point you have to acknowledge its the only thing left to do.
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Unread postby Seawrightspostgame » 6 days ago

EC and JT have to be option 1. This team feeds off of them, not the other way around.

You cant ease into these games. EC for like 18 months has taken this NBA Hall of Famer approach of letting the game come to him. JT does the same thing. Its like NO!!!!!, you're an all A10 player. Go make plays. Make your team better. Theres only 40 minutes to the game. When you cut it up into segments it is even shorter. URI cant afford to have EC and JT play early the way they did last night in games.

They play aggressive and boom we beat Cinci. That is still our model victory. Those two guys going off with whoever is locked in. Last night that was Fatts. Fatts outplayed Dowtin and I would have liked him in the game down the stretch. He was dominant.
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TruePoint wrote:The block/charge call has cost us multiple baskets and given them multiple and-1s.


Actually, this is not totally true. I just watched the game on tape again. There were four charges in the game. Two on each side. Yes...both of our charges (Dowtin and Garrett) wiped out baskets while neither of theirs did.

There were 3 blocks in the game. Two blocks on them and only 1 on us. Our block did not result in an and 1 for them. While one of their two blocks did result in an and 1 for us.

I bring this up only to point out that it is never as bad as we think it is during the game. It this case it was magnified because we lost two baskets, but in my opinion, the right calls was made.
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Unread postby reef » 5 days ago

Agree with those who say Preston needs more time, giving him 6 minutes is just plain wrong

JD had a bad game last night , I think he will be ok though he just missed some makeable shots

Cyril needs to play better offensively and stay out of foul trouble
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Caroline had too many offensive boards. It was like our bigs felt relief he missed the first shot and didn't bother to box him out. Preston and Fatts need more minutes. The play that Fatts drove and got fouled the camera showed Nevada huddling up right after and the kid guarding him was talking about how fast he is.
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Rhody Guy wrote:Caroline had too many offensive boards. It was like our bigs felt relief he missed the first shot and didn't bother to box him out. Preston and Fatts need more minutes. The play that Fatts drove and got fouled the camera showed Nevada huddling up right after and the kid guarding him was talking about how fast he is.

Dan's #1 priority is always defense. I'm guessing Dan didn't think Fatts was a good defensive matchup with all of Nevada's big guards.
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Unread postby PlayMikeMotenMore » 5 days ago

Running Ram wrote:
Rhody15 wrote:This is the "same ole Rhody" story...

We lost a close, OOC road game against a tough opponent.

Like clockwork.



But it's not the same ole Rhody story, they re-wrote the narrative last season with a run through the A10 tourney and two ncaa games.
It's a tough loss to a tough team on their home court.
Our starting front court graduated and Nevada has an excellent front court. We stayed in this game, didn't get deflated. I'm ok with getting our challenges on the road, in a different time zone, if it strengthens the team in the end. Like Temple of old, they killed themselves with rough ooc schedules but sliced up the A10 and advanced to the NCAA's routinely. What we can't have is 0 tough road wins, but there is plenty of season to go so let's see how it unfolds.

Don't let a tough loss to a good team on the road keep anyone from showing up to the game Sunday!!
I still have Rhody scheduled to go back to the dance this season.


Run thru the A-10 tourney and 2 NCAA games...sorry, but those were on neutral courts.

His point is accurate in losing a "close, OOC road game against a tough opponent." It is the same old story. What is the list of URI winning those non-conference games?

Lots of college basketball teams lose those games. Correct. But if a team wants to label itself "big time" or "elite," then it starts to win more of those games than it loses.

I think that's the point and the justification of the disappointment.
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Unread postby rhodysurf » 5 days ago

Yeah I just rewatched the game. The officiating was fine. Our defense was not. Thats the story of the game
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Unread postby Seawrightspostgame » 5 days ago

Just a frustrating game. Personally, I expected to see certain signals and signs that the team had taken the step forward. They looked like EC looked last year early when he was thinking about the NBA.
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Unread postby ElmCityRhody » 5 days ago

not trying to single the man out.. but Cyril needs to step up his game.. i hope he has it in him.

we need more easier baskets than jump shots

come on Cyril !
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Unread postby reef » 5 days ago

Yeah agree ECR Cyril needs to take that next step up after showing so much promise as a frosh

He needs to avoid foul trouble and contribute offensively
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Unread postby Ramulous » 17 hours ago

Nevada is up to 4-0 with two blowout road wins at fairly good competition after they beat us by 7 at home.....
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ElmCityRhody wrote:not trying to single the man out.. but Cyril needs to step up his game.. i hope he has it in him.

we need more easier baskets than jump shots

come on Cyril !


Now that it’s out that he played hurt in this game, I think I feel a little better about his performance going forward, once healthy again.
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