Week #9 -Games of Interest

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

I had DePaul plus the pts at PC !!

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 11 years ago

I've never been sold on Cooley. What did he really do at Fairfield? Yes, he had a good record there, but could really never win the big games, never Danced. Sound familiar?

He talks a big game anyway. I guess he'll be OK in the long run, seems his players like him. We'll see.

Having talent is one thing. Putting it all together is another.

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

bigappleram wrote:yes Ramulous, on paper Council, Cotton, Batts and Henton are all legit talents. Dunn was a top recruit. Fortune shows promise and Sidiki should be helping inside.

they have 4 above average back court players, a legit 3, and a banger. all on paper. and that should be enough to beat Depaul of all teams.

the true test will be to see if Cooley can get these guys to mesh, because they look very disjointed right now, even though IMO they have talent.

Here's the reality:
VC is at about 75%
Cotton is worse IMHO
Dunn is coming off surgery and hasn't played in 6 months
Sudiki is still getting acclimated
It is what it is

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 11 years ago

All true, Sean. We'll see how much better they get when [or if] they all get up to speed by the end of the season.

Still most likely looks like "wait 'till next year" for PC, same as us.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 11 years ago

sean i still think your biggest problem is having 3 guys (VC, Dunn and Cotton) that all need the ball in their hands to be effective. they are not compatible at all. Dunn's development will be stunted by playing a year off the ball. So i dont think you will see what he can really be as a Div 1 PG until mid to end of next season, in reality he will not get much time leading the team this year. you need those 3 guys on the court as much as possible to have a fighting chance this year, which will cost Fortune some development time as well. Sudiki has not impressed me at all in the 3 games I have seen him. I agree it is too early to tell and that you guys are very banged up right now.

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

I'm not worried about Dunn. Even before he got hurt I saw this as a 10-15 minute year for him.
He will be fine. Sudiki has been uneven. I expect more as he learns(accepts) his role.
Cotton is most dangerous as a spot up shooter who occasionally goes to the hole to keep people honest.
VC s injuries affect him the most. Right now; there is no need to help out bc he can't blow by anyone.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 11 years ago

I think Cooley is 0-3 since being extended. Up next syracuse

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

Cooley has not been extended...sweatshirt shopping is probably in order

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Is it my imagination, Sean, or had Cooley
gotten a lot bigger since he got to PC?
He did say he loves to eat.

Jks1985 · Unread post by **Jks1985** » 11 years ago

The verdict is still out on Cooley.

His recruiting seems phenomenal.

His coaching, on the other hand...

I mean, he didn't lose anybody from last year's team. Shouldn't the team be better from experience alone? I know you can blame injuries, but that still doesn't excuse a loss to Brown and a loss to Depaul at home by 10.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

I think like last year, this is still a bit of a mulligan year for Cooley, given the composition of the roster thanks to injuries (Council, Cotton now) and NCAA issues with Ledo. (Although really, if Ledo was on this team, it doesn't help them share the basketball any better.) I think next year is the year he'll be expected to produce results, whether it's an NIT or NCAA berth, with an outside chance of him getting fired if things go deep in the crapper. Year 4, you think he has to dance or be right on the bubble, otherwise he's gone. (Note: I'd give a similar prognosis for Hurley, in that if the Rams aren't in the NCAA tournament or NIT by year three, and still around the 10 to 15 win range, his seat will probably be hot.)

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Is it my imagination, Sean, or had Cooley
gotten a lot bigger since he got to PC?
He did say he loves to eat.

He's deff put on some lbs. the PC job will do that to you. Every coach ends up spending lots if time in the hill and eating takeout during the day.

Big Ed needs the focus machine.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 11 years ago

seanmc94 wrote:Cooley has not been extended...sweatshirt shopping is probably in order

Size large. Thanks

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

Next yrs PC URI game will be a war with both teams much improved

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 11 years ago

Closing out the week with yesterday's action;

Temple lost a close one at #6 Kansas, 69-62. Temple took its first lead in game 5 minutes into second half. The Owls held that lead until 9 minutes left, and at that time Temple and Kansas traded leads until the Jayhawks took control with under 3 minutes to play. But Kansas did not seal the win until Travis Teleford put in a clutch three pointer with 36 seconds left on game clock.

Loyola (MD) moved its record to 11-5, 3-1 in MAAC with a solid win over St. Peter's, 74-58.

SMU lost a heartbreaker in its C-USA home opener against Tulsa, 48-47. SMU rallied from a 17 point halftime deficit to take the lead in the waning minutes, but a Tulsa three pointer with 3.7 seconds left was the dagger that gave the Hurricanes the win.

On to conference play!

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Gotta love ESPN.
A 7 point game and they did not show a single Temple highlight
on Sports Center, just Kansas scoring.
What will they talk about now that RGIII is out? He's their new Tebow/Farve/Lebron.
They manage to get him mentioned about 20 times an hour.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

You still watch ESPN for Sports News?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

It's still the best sports wrapup at the end of the day.
I just hate how they dwell on certain athletes, soccer and dunks.
Drives me nuts!

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 11 years ago

I couldn't tell you the last time I watched ESPN for something other than a live sporting event or a 30 for 30. I agree its the best option to get a wrap up of every sport at once, but I just can't handle it.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

I just can't handle it for anything else than live sports.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 11 years ago

If it wasn't for ESPN, we'd never know who the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion is. I remember seeing it a few years ago (don't why I didn't turn it off). It ended with the new champ saying "This is a young man's game."

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

I like the analysts they have, mostly fired coaches who break down the game pretty well

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 11 years ago

reef wrote:I like the analysts they have, mostly fired coaches who break down the game pretty well

You know who is good as an analyst and I would have never guessed it is Eric Mangini. But yeah, i long for the days of Sportscenter where they actually showed highlights. It's kind of like MTV when they used to actually play music.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Gotta love ESPN.
A 7 point game and they did not show a single Temple highlight
on Sports Center, just Kansas scoring.
What will they talk about now that RGIII is out? He's their new Tebow/Farve/Lebron.
They manage to get him mentioned about 20 times an hour.

Now they'll move on to the Ray Lewis farewell tour. You know, the guy they love despite the fact that he was undeniably involved in the murder of two people? Yeah, that guy. I still watch SportsCenter in the AM from time to time, and I can't really justify why. It's unbearable.

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

Great article on yahoo laying out ray ray and his thugs involvement. Guy is the biggest fraud going.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Yeah, greatest linebacker ever, accoring to ESPN buttboys.
Check out YouTube on Dick Butkus, before his knees gave out.
Never saw someone that big going sideline to sideline destroying everything in
his path. Fast, strong and crazy
One player who could have dominated any era, especially if he had the steroids and modern medicine
currently in the NFL..

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Bob Valvano blasting ESPN, for vested interest in SEC football.
Great stuff. Someone finally told the truth!

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/jan ... agues.html

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

seanmc94 wrote:Great article on yahoo laying out ray ray and his thugs involvement. Guy is the biggest fraud going.

Which one? Link please, Sean?

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 11 years ago

Big TV money and vested interests are fueling the conference upheaval around the country.

None of it would be happening if there were a playoff system instead of a sham in BCS football. 16 team tournament all conferences send their champ. Several at larges to fill the field. All have access to the championship not just the big 4. You could stay in big east or mountain west or cusa and have a shot

Last nights game was a fraud on all of BCS football

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Bob Valvano goes off on BCS fraud football here

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/jan ... agues.html

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Boise State in the four years or so, prior to this season,
could have beaten any BCS team on any given night.
They proved it, having beaten every BCS team they faced during that time,
since the famous Oklahoma game. Plus, they were a lot of fun to watch.
Chris Peterson is as good a coach as there is, but like BSU, respect is hard to come by.
ESPN's analysts constantly put them down in subtle ways, and when BSU lost by one point
in games to give them two one loss seasons, they were relegated to some obscure bowl game.
You could almost feel the relief in Bristol, CT, when BSU lost, so they could tout their beloved SEC.
Meanwhile BCS schools with 2-3 losses went to better bowls.
Also, the SEC didn't do very well this year in the bowls, except for Alabama. They had a losing overall
bowl record this season.
There is no sport that plays up to the haves, and shuns the have nots, more than NCAA BCS football.

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

The top three teams in the SEC steamrolled their opponents. LSU lost a tough game to Clemson and SCar beat Michigan without its AA running back. Of the top squads; only Florida didnt show up.

The SEC is where the big boys play. 7 straight doesn't lie. Fir the record; Boise got slaughtered 3 yrs ago by Georgia; before returning the favor last year.

SEC teams are battle tested. Anyone can win one tough game. In the SEC, you need to win multiple.
Bama played 4 top 10 teams, 2 on the road before ND.

Toughest conference in the land.

Hot fire makes hard steel

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Actually, it's the carbon content, Sean.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 11 years ago

Conan knows the "Secret of Steel."

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Get your facts straight. Georgia beat Boise State in 2005 .BEFORE Chris Peterson was coach. That's EIGHT years ago, not three.
Three years ago, they were 14-0 and number four in the US. Peterson has lost 8 games in 7 years.
Considering the resources and loaction of BSU, that's incredible, and an amazing story.
None of the recruiting advantages of playing in a BCS conference.
Two out of the top 3 SEC teams LOST. LOST. And So. Carolina should have lost, too.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Boise State in the four years or so, prior to this season,
could have beaten any BCS team on any given night.
They proved it, having beaten every BCS team they faced during that time,
since the famous Oklahoma game. Plus, they were a lot of fun to watch.
Chris Peterson is as good a coach as there is, but like BSU, respect is hard to come by.
ESPN's analysts constantly put them down in subtle ways, and when BSU lost by one point
in games to give them two one loss seasons, they were relegated to some obscure bowl game.
You could almost feel the relief in Bristol, CT, when BSU lost, so they could tout their beloved SEC.
Meanwhile BCS schools with 2-3 losses went to better bowls.
Also, the SEC didn't do very well this year in the bowls, except for Alabama. They had a losing overall
bowl record this season.
There is no sport that plays up to the haves, and shuns the have nots, more than NCAA BCS football.

Huh? The SEC was 6-3 in bowls this year outscoring their opponents by 85 points.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Two of the top three LOST. Debate that.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Two of the top three LOST. Debate that.

I wasn't trying to debate anything. I am still trying to figure out what you are saying. The SEC is the best football conference and it really isn't close. Winning 2/3 of your bowl games by a substantial margin is proof. They do it every year. If you want to gerrymander an imaginary cutoff of the top three teams, I guess that is fine. I hate the SEC and how they do things but, unlike Notre Dame, they actual have earned the praise by what they have done the last ten years.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 11 years ago

the SEC is the best conference in football, but its not a fair battle. the things they are allowed to do the majority of other BCS schools, let alone non BCS, are not allowed. They over recruit, they have "gray shirts", they have little to no academic standards to uphold. Bama against ND was like the best Class A team in RI playing the best Class C team...the disparity in talent level was massive. Boys against Men.
The alabama front 7 rivals some pro teams. They pushed Te'o 10 yards down field on every play, heck NDs top tackler was their safety. Never a good thing.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

ND did well to get in the title game, I dont think they get that far in the near future despite their top recruiting classes, too many good teams out there

I would have loved to see Oregon play Bama that would have been fun

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Two of the top three LOST. Debate that.

Bama #1- won vs ND
Tex AM #4-won vs OU
Georgia #4-won vs Nebraska

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

That's from the REVISED season end poll.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Rod, I thought the same without actually looking it up.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Which reminds me of a season end ranking, that was hardly mentioned.
In 1999, URI was ranked 6th nationally after the season, in some major poll.
OT, but post season polls are kind of hindsight polls on tournament and bowl games.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 11 years ago

Honestly, I don't think you can judge a conference strength just by poll placement.

I guess what I mean is that I don't think Georgia is the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC.

They were penalized for playing in the SEC Championship game, which to me wasn't right. Georgia and Florida had the same record, but Georgia won the head-to-head. Georgia fights 'Bama tooth and nail, loses a heartbreaker, and plummets down and doesn't even qualify for a BCS game because Florida got to sit around on Championship Saturday.

Honestly, I don't even know where you are getting "two of the top three teams losing."

BCS Standings End of Year -

2 - Bama (WON)
3 - Florida (LOST)
7 - Georgia (WON)
8 - LSU (LOST)
9 - Texas A&M (WON)
10 - South Carolina (WON)

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Shoot me! 2 of the top 4 lost. BFD!

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Shoot me! 2 of the top 4 lost. BFD!

Well how could I debate two of the top 3 losing when that didn't happen?

I'm just trying to play along Rod!

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

Alabama won the West
Georgia won the East
A and M was ahead of LSU in the west standings

SEC top 3 all won comfortably

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

ATPTourFan wrote:
seanmc94 wrote:Great article on yahoo laying out ray ray and his thugs involvement. Guy is the biggest fraud going.
Which one? Link please, Sean?

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... /301060332

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Thx Sean.

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