Rebounding

[Smokinjimit]

It's 90% effort and will. I don't think we have that player on this team. Mumford was right when he said its about toughness. I am not just getting on the bigmen either. The guards need to smarten up when it comes to the long rebounds on the defensive end. Those numbers last night were embaronsing. I can't remember a uri team doing that before. Even Jerry duh teams.

[SmartyBarrett]

Per the post-game press release, it was Rhody's lowest rebounding total in over 17 years.

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I think Mike Aaman would have helped our numbers. I guess the other 10% is height and positioning. The "A" game for us, as seen in the recent wins, involved all aspects of the game showing up on the same night. When any one or more take a night off, then we/re going to struggle even against the weaker teams in the coming A-10 schedule.

[rodfromcranston]

Even IF Aaman gave us 8 rebounds, we still get doubled off the boards.
There was one play where the rebound was on the floor, and no Ram went for it,
but three Gaels went and got it.
Munford and Powell usually contribute more than their share of rebounds.
Brooks, 11 minutes and zeros across the board.
Not last night.
Just a sorry performance.

[RhodeIslandBred]

Even IF Aaman gave us 8 rebounds, we still get doubled off the boards.
There was one play where the rebound was on the floor, and no Ram went for it,
but three Gaels went and got it.
Munford and Powell usually contribute more than their share of rebounds.
Brooks, 11 minutes and zeros across the board.
Not last night.
Just a sorry performance.

Agreed Rod, Brooks seemed to revert to his old habits of last year just playing uninspired, and the whole team had that feel last night. Let's hope it was just being tired and we can bounce back and give every ounce we have to the next few games and we'll live with the results. The team can have a bad shooting night or a bad night from the line and that will get better with more practice, but defensively there just needs to be more effort by all.

[rodfromcranston]

I think that's where my disappointment lies.
Lack of intensity was so noticable, and disturbing.
Even the goofball announcers for SMC mentioned Hurley
was not please with his team, after a timeout.
Not the end of the world, but let's hope it's not a trend.

[Gonebarongone]

It's 90% effort and will. I don't think we have that player on this team. Mumford was right when he said its about toughness. I am not just getting on the bigmen either. The guards need to smarten up when it comes to the long rebounds on the defensive end. Those numbers last night were embaronsing. I can't remember a uri team doing that before. Even Jerry duh teams.

This is message board phooey. I played many years at different levels and I was on the court in part because I hustled my *ss off. But, I was also a 6'1" white guy who can't jump. So, I wasn't a great rebounder. Rebounding is a mix of effort, technique, size, position, and quck twitch jumping ability (not pure leaping ability but the ability to do it quickly and multiple times). And there are also guys who have a nose for where rebounds are going off the rim. Effort accounts for a small piece of that puzzle. It is message boarders and lazy journalists who scream otherwise. It's the same crud people people throw out after a loss. We weren't ready! They came to play! Stuff like this is confirmation bias. Rhody doesn't rebound well because they run small lineups and the inside guys are young like Hare and Aaman aren't as strong as older guys and certainly don't have the technique. I think Hare will eventually get there. But, it's not 90% effort.

[rodfromcranston]

JimiT is no message board lightweight.
He's a guy who's devoted years of his life to coaching in the inner city,
for the love of the game.
He's also played the game.
So, if he has something to say, which isn't often, I listen.

[SGreenwell]

I agree with Gonebaron - People bring up "undersized" guys with big rebounding totals to refute that, like Dennis Rodman or Charles Barkley, which kind of neglects that they were great athletes, so it didn't matter as much if they were so undersized. If you look at the pros, the best rebounders tend to be freak athletes despite a smaller stature (Rondo), specialists (the Danny Fortson / Kenneth Faried type), or both (Rodman was an elite athlete and also around 6'8", 6'9", IIRC).

[rodfromcranston]

Barkley was a great athlete? Our own all time rebounder, Art Stephanson was a great athlete?
So a great athlete is why someone is a great rebounder? Baloney.
Why isn't Blake Griffin an elite rebounder, then? Why isn't Lamar a great rebounder?
I could go on forever.....
Oh, and Rodman is listed in Wiki and several other places as 6'6".

[SGreenwell]

Barkley was a great athlete? Our own all time rebounder, Art Stephanson was a great athlete?
So a great athlete is why someone is a great rebounder? Baloney.
Why isn't Blake Griffin an elite rebounder, then? Why isn't Lamar a great rebounder?
I could go on forever.....
Oh, and Rodman is listed in Wiki and several other places as 6'6".

People remember Barkley as a fat ass now because of TNT and his Jenny Craig commercials, but the guy was a great athlete for most of his career. If you want some video proof: - He was undersized and got round by the time he was with the Rockets, but he was definitely a really good athlete.

Griffin isn't a great rebounder because he's doing a bunch of other stuff. For what it's worth, he's currently 16th in the league, tied with Lebron, which strikes me as acceptable for a guy who's the #2 scoring option on his team. The current NBA leader in both RPG and rebounds per minute is Anderson Varejeo, who would fall into the defense / rebounding specialist role on a good team. The other guys in the top 10 are similar players (Faried, Omer Asik, the late model Tim Duncan) or offensive players who spend a significant time in the low post (Zach Randolph, Al Jefferson).

[rodfromcranston]

Barkley was known for his weight even at Auburn.
Look it up.
Look at current rebound stats in college and pros.
They are dwarfedby rebounding stats in the 60's to 80's.
There are no more Paul Silas's or Wes Unselds.
Too many players think rebounding is a flashy follow up dunk.

[Billyboy78]

Barkley was called "The Round Mound of Rebound" when he was coming pot of college.

[reef]

Hopefully Gil is a bear on the boards for us

[Rhody Guy]

Actually agree with rod on this one

[RAM67]

When you are 6'8" tall and don't get one rebound in a game, it's lack of positioning, and lack of will. I agree with Jimit completely.

[Smokinjimit]

Effort accounts for a small piece of the puzzle?
That statement tells me how much you know about basketball.
You can be the best jumper, tallest guy, highest basketball iq on the court. You don't have the will you don't get the rebound. Period.

[Gonebarongone]

Effort accounts for a small piece of the puzzle?
That statement tells me how much you know about basketball.
You can be the best jumper, tallest guy, highest basketball iq on the court. You don't have the will you don't get the rebound. Period.

90% implies that a team of 6 feet tall guys would out rebound a team of athletic guys with advantages in technique, size, and quick jumping ability if only they out efforted them. This is patently false. Chop up the pie any way you want, effort is not #1 on the list in high level hoops. Size, technique, ability to know how the ball is coming off the rim are all more important.

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Yes, position is key, as well as size, effort/will, boxing out techniques, etc. but the capability to anticipate the attempted shot on its distance, angle, arc are vital to getting boards.

[Ramblinrose]

I don't get the idea that kids work on this kind of stuff. Rebounding is somewhat instinctual. But it's dirty work and not glamorous, which is probably why Rodman paraded around like a damn fool to get attention off the court.
Bill Russell loved to block shots, rebound and start the break. He cared little about scoring. Other guys did that.
Battling in the paint won't get you on Sportscenter.

[Smokinjimit]

You are wrong. I will take a guy who goes all out over someone on the all airport team every time.
I use to tell my teams about this buddy of mine who is the great basketball player. He couldn't shoot,dribble or pass. They would say how is he any good. Because he plays great D, rebounds and gives 100%.
The team of 6 foot guys you mentioned may not out rebound them. But with great effort they may not lose the rebounding battle by much. 17 rebounds implies to me that there was very little effort by anyone on this team to do the dirty work. They mailed it in but at least the got a trip to Cali.