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RhowdyRam02 wrote:
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:Besides the fact that winning is supposed to be important and this scenario puts us at a competitive disadvantage? Besides the fact that casinos are depressing as fuck and it's nice to be on campus? Besides the fact that Mohegan Sun arena is worse than the Ryan Center? Besides the fact that we already have a hard enough time scheduling top teams at the Ryan Center and now they would have zero reason to ever play us at home?

I'm the person who said we should play every year at Mohegan if we could get UConn to sign up and split the crowd 50/50. That makes sense. Doing this West Virginia thing and expanding it is a bad idea.

Also, how do we know that this is included for season ticket holders and students are free? That seems to have just been assumed with zero proof or confirmation.


So if the choices are a West Virginia caliber opponent at Mohegan or another 200+ RPI game at home would you opt for the home game?


This is a ridiculous question. Those are not the choices, as we've seen this year.


I'm not sure I understand. So is your assumption that they chose playing a neutral site game against West Virginia over playing a similar caliber team at the Ryan Center?

And let me add another piece to this. If playing this one game on a neutral court is the catalyst to cementing a multi-year true home and home series with West Virginia, does that make it worth it?
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Blue Man wrote:The benefits are numerous and obvious, including but not limited to: the game itself against a top 25 opponent, national television exposure, a neutral game which is worth more now than a home game in the selection process, and the benefit of another top 25 game the next year.


How is it worth more than a home game? It's going to be considered a home game yet we won't get the true home advantage. West Virginia gets to play a road game and won't have to deal as difficult of an environment as it would be at the RC. I would have preferred it to be considered a neutral site game but I doubt West Virginia would have accepted that.

To be clear I think it's great for adding a strong team to our schedule, national exposure and giving fans a big game to get excited about but after being at the Cincy game last year I think it's clear we're getting the raw end of the deal. I'm just hoping we don't play at Mohegan next year on a week night, that'd probably be the worst scenario for this "home" and home.


No I am pretty sure Mohegan is considered a neutral court it always has been in the past
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UCH21377 wrote:
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Blue Man wrote:The benefits are numerous and obvious, including but not limited to: the game itself against a top 25 opponent, national television exposure, a neutral game which is worth more now than a home game in the selection process, and the benefit of another top 25 game the next year.


How is it worth more than a home game? It's going to be considered a home game yet we won't get the true home advantage. West Virginia gets to play a road game and won't have to deal as difficult of an environment as it would be at the RC. I would have preferred it to be considered a neutral site game but I doubt West Virginia would have accepted that.

To be clear I think it's great for adding a strong team to our schedule, national exposure and giving fans a big game to get excited about but after being at the Cincy game last year I think it's clear we're getting the raw end of the deal. I'm just hoping we don't play at Mohegan next year on a week night, that'd probably be the worst scenario for this "home" and home.


No I am pretty sure Mohegan is considered a neutral court it always has been in the past


Maybe but I don't see how it could be considered a neutral site game yet season ticket holders will get tickets and students will be free.
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Joseph ski I don’t know for sure and that is an important factor. Regardless of what the season ticket deal is, I think it is a neutral game. I believe the UConn situation in Hartford is similar and I’m not sure how those games count.
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So if the choices are a West Virginia caliber opponent at Mohegan or another 200+ RPI game at home would you opt for the home game?


This is a ridiculous question. Those are not the choices, as we've seen this year.


I'm not sure I understand. So is your assumption that they chose playing a neutral site game against West Virginia over playing a similar caliber team at the Ryan Center?

And let me add another piece to this. If playing this one game on a neutral court is the catalyst to cementing a multi-year true home and home series with West Virginia, does that make it worth it?


You're asking me to make a choice that doesn't exist in real life. The choice isn't top 25 team at Mohegan or 200+ RPI game at home. We can schedule a host of 30-150 type RPI games either home and home or have them just play us here. We've seen that just this year. We brought in a few teams that were supposed to win their conference and started real home and home series with Nevada and Alabama, and the results were a top notch out of conference schedule. What we did this year was productive and repeatable.

There is no evidence that setting up the series this way will lead to a longer series with actual home games for us. None. If they had any actual interest in doing that, why wouldn't they start with that or just wait to start the series until we measure up to their standards?
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:
adam914 wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:
This is a ridiculous question. Those are not the choices, as we've seen this year.


I'm not sure I understand. So is your assumption that they chose playing a neutral site game against West Virginia over playing a similar caliber team at the Ryan Center?

And let me add another piece to this. If playing this one game on a neutral court is the catalyst to cementing a multi-year true home and home series with West Virginia, does that make it worth it?


You're asking me to make a choice that doesn't exist in real life. The choice isn't top 25 team at Mohegan or 200+ RPI game at home. We can schedule a host of 30-150 type RPI games either home and home or have them just play us here. We've seen that just this year. We brought in a few teams that were supposed to win their conference and started real home and home series with Nevada and Alabama, and the results were a top notch out of conference schedule. What we did this year was productive and repeatable.

There is no evidence that setting up the series this way will lead to a longer series with actual home games for us. None. If they had any actual interest in doing that, why wouldn't they start with that or just wait to start the series until we measure up to their standards?


That's quite the range you are throwing out there though. Big difference between 30 and 150. If there are a host of Top 50 RPI games out there just waiting to be scheduled in Kingston, then by all means go for it. I would argue there are probably not many of those options available. Yes, we brought in some good teams and started real home and homes this year, but that does not necessarily mean it is repeatable on a year to year basis as easily as you might think. Plus, let's keep in mind that by scheduling West Virginia with this setup it does not mean we are not still allowed to continue to start those other series if they are available. It would be very good to have several quality series lined up.

And I understand that there is no evidence that setting up the series this way will lead to a longer series with actual home games. But it has been mentioned in this thread as a rumored possibility, so I posed the question, if that came to be the case would that make it worth it in your opinion? That's all, just curious if that situation would change your opinion?
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:
adam914 wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:
This is a ridiculous question. Those are not the choices, as we've seen this year.


I'm not sure I understand. So is your assumption that they chose playing a neutral site game against West Virginia over playing a similar caliber team at the Ryan Center?

And let me add another piece to this. If playing this one game on a neutral court is the catalyst to cementing a multi-year true home and home series with West Virginia, does that make it worth it?


You're asking me to make a choice that doesn't exist in real life. The choice isn't top 25 team at Mohegan or 200+ RPI game at home. We can schedule a host of 30-150 type RPI games either home and home or have them just play us here. We've seen that just this year. We brought in a few teams that were supposed to win their conference and started real home and home series with Nevada and Alabama, and the results were a top notch out of conference schedule. What we did this year was productive and repeatable.

There is no evidence that setting up the series this way will lead to a longer series with actual home games for us. None. If they had any actual interest in doing that, why wouldn't they start with that or just wait to start the series until we measure up to their standards?


There’s a HUGE difference between Nevada and Alabama vs WVU. Come on.
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rhodysurf wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:
adam914 wrote:
I'm not sure I understand. So is your assumption that they chose playing a neutral site game against West Virginia over playing a similar caliber team at the Ryan Center?

And let me add another piece to this. If playing this one game on a neutral court is the catalyst to cementing a multi-year true home and home series with West Virginia, does that make it worth it?


You're asking me to make a choice that doesn't exist in real life. The choice isn't top 25 team at Mohegan or 200+ RPI game at home. We can schedule a host of 30-150 type RPI games either home and home or have them just play us here. We've seen that just this year. We brought in a few teams that were supposed to win their conference and started real home and home series with Nevada and Alabama, and the results were a top notch out of conference schedule. What we did this year was productive and repeatable.

There is no evidence that setting up the series this way will lead to a longer series with actual home games for us. None. If they had any actual interest in doing that, why wouldn't they start with that or just wait to start the series until we measure up to their standards?


There’s a HUGE difference between Nevada and Alabama vs WVU. Come on.


Not only is there a difference between WV (top 15 in the country) and Neveda and Alabama BUT WE WERE TWO GAMES SHORT ON OUR SCHEDULE THIS YEAR. Why does this poster continually forget that????
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UCH21377 wrote:Joseph ski I don’t know for sure and that is an important factor. Regardless of what the season ticket deal is, I think it is a neutral game. I believe the UConn situation in Hartford is similar and I’m not sure how those games count.


Uconn games at Hartford are considered home games for Uconn. URI at Mohegan would be a nuetral site game. The difference I believe is the away team is dictating the location as opposed to the home team. WV has to be careful though, giving a team a nuetral site game with these new metrics with what will surely be a home crowd advantage can hurt them metric wise. Even if they win they’ll lose RPI points due to it being at a nuetral site as opposed to a road game.
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How many pages of "overthink" are we capable of for this?
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Don't forget the money factor. 7,000-8,000 people at Mohegan is better from a financial standpoint then 4,000 for Marist.
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Blue Man wrote:Leave it to this board to somehow find a way to see the negative in everything - even if it doesn't exist.

You are huffing glue while hanging from the ceiling if you can see anything bad here.

We have a game next year and the year following against a near lock top 20 team. Not only that, it's a game included in the season ticket package so no one has to go out and buy the tickets. It is 40 minutes from campus so you know there will be a phenomenal Rhody crowd, as it always is at Mohegan. It's also at a fantastic place to visit and stay.

I really struggle daily to understand the complaints and opinions about this program that aren't based in reality.

Sorry, just because we went to one tournament and won a game in 20 years doesn't mean we are now a superior program to a team that has been to like 4x as many tournaments - 10 since 98, 6 sweet 16s, 3 elite 8s, and a final four - while we won 1 game in that same span. Not to say we aren't doing great for our own historical comparison, but good God y'all need perspective.

Like one day you people are saying we suck if we lose to a top 25 team on the road, and need to be blowing people out by more (both wrong assumptions). Then you start huffing and puffing like we're a blue blood school and conveniently forget anything that happened from 2000-2016 and live in this fantasy world where we're the best program ever and other schools should feel privileged to play us.

These are also the same people that laugh at PC fans who think they're on the same level as UCONN.

We are a program that is being built. We are well on our way to being a known commodity as a basketball program, but we aren't even CLOSE to being there yet. Dan would say the same thing. We need to invest in the program so that we get Dan to stay here, and need a sweet 16 appearance this year, plus at LEAST 2 more tournament births and wins after this before you start to get a "powerhouse" reputation. You can't just make 2 tourney births and count yourself as "arrived" - you need to sustain that for more than one major recruiting class.

For now, can we just be pumped we have a MAJOR OOC opportunity on the schedule for the next 2 years?


Blueman, when did it become your job to take comments from a few posters and project that to the entire board (“leave it to this Board”)? A significant majority of the post on this topic are favorable about the announcement but you attack with your negative comment about the members of the board. It is tired. Give it a break.
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Rhody83 wrote:
Blue Man wrote:Leave it to this board to somehow find a way to see the negative in everything - even if it doesn't exist.

You are huffing glue while hanging from the ceiling if you can see anything bad here.

We have a game next year and the year following against a near lock top 20 team. Not only that, it's a game included in the season ticket package so no one has to go out and buy the tickets. It is 40 minutes from campus so you know there will be a phenomenal Rhody crowd, as it always is at Mohegan. It's also at a fantastic place to visit and stay.

I really struggle daily to understand the complaints and opinions about this program that aren't based in reality.

Sorry, just because we went to one tournament and won a game in 20 years doesn't mean we are now a superior program to a team that has been to like 4x as many tournaments - 10 since 98, 6 sweet 16s, 3 elite 8s, and a final four - while we won 1 game in that same span. Not to say we aren't doing great for our own historical comparison, but good God y'all need perspective.

Like one day you people are saying we suck if we lose to a top 25 team on the road, and need to be blowing people out by more (both wrong assumptions). Then you start huffing and puffing like we're a blue blood school and conveniently forget anything that happened from 2000-2016 and live in this fantasy world where we're the best program ever and other schools should feel privileged to play us.

These are also the same people that laugh at PC fans who think they're on the same level as UCONN.

We are a program that is being built. We are well on our way to being a known commodity as a basketball program, but we aren't even CLOSE to being there yet. Dan would say the same thing. We need to invest in the program so that we get Dan to stay here, and need a sweet 16 appearance this year, plus at LEAST 2 more tournament births and wins after this before you start to get a "powerhouse" reputation. You can't just make 2 tourney births and count yourself as "arrived" - you need to sustain that for more than one major recruiting class.

For now, can we just be pumped we have a MAJOR OOC opportunity on the schedule for the next 2 years?


Blueman, when did it become your job to take comments from a few posters and project that to the entire board (“leave it to this Board”)? A significant majority of the post on this topic are favorable about the announcement but you attack with your negative comment about the members of the board. It is tired. Give it a break.


Agreed, Blueman you’re taking the comments of two posters and translating as if it’s the entire board. As the poll on another thread has proven, 97% of the board loves this news and agrees with your assessment when it comes to scheduling. One or two rogue poster removed from reality does not make the majority of this board.
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Rhody83 wrote:
Blue Man wrote:Leave it to this board to somehow find a way to see the negative in everything - even if it doesn't exist.

You are huffing glue while hanging from the ceiling if you can see anything bad here.

We have a game next year and the year following against a near lock top 20 team. Not only that, it's a game included in the season ticket package so no one has to go out and buy the tickets. It is 40 minutes from campus so you know there will be a phenomenal Rhody crowd, as it always is at Mohegan. It's also at a fantastic place to visit and stay.

I really struggle daily to understand the complaints and opinions about this program that aren't based in reality.

Sorry, just because we went to one tournament and won a game in 20 years doesn't mean we are now a superior program to a team that has been to like 4x as many tournaments - 10 since 98, 6 sweet 16s, 3 elite 8s, and a final four - while we won 1 game in that same span. Not to say we aren't doing great for our own historical comparison, but good God y'all need perspective.

Like one day you people are saying we suck if we lose to a top 25 team on the road, and need to be blowing people out by more (both wrong assumptions). Then you start huffing and puffing like we're a blue blood school and conveniently forget anything that happened from 2000-2016 and live in this fantasy world where we're the best program ever and other schools should feel privileged to play us.

These are also the same people that laugh at PC fans who think they're on the same level as UCONN.

We are a program that is being built. We are well on our way to being a known commodity as a basketball program, but we aren't even CLOSE to being there yet. Dan would say the same thing. We need to invest in the program so that we get Dan to stay here, and need a sweet 16 appearance this year, plus at LEAST 2 more tournament births and wins after this before you start to get a "powerhouse" reputation. You can't just make 2 tourney births and count yourself as "arrived" - you need to sustain that for more than one major recruiting class.

For now, can we just be pumped we have a MAJOR OOC opportunity on the schedule for the next 2 years?


Blueman, when did it become your job to take comments from a few posters and project that to the entire board (“leave it to this Board”)? A significant majority of the post on this topic are favorable about the announcement but you attack with your negative comment about the members of the board. It is tired. Give it a break.


Fair. Internet hyperbole I guess.
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Unread postby ATPTourFan » 3 weeks ago

If this game is included in Rhody season tickets and/or Rhody controls ticket distribution and game day operations it is a home game for RPI purposes.

Source: page 11
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/P ... pdf#page12
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ATPTourFan wrote:If this game is included in Rhody season tickets and/or Rhody controls ticket distribution and game day operations it is a home game for RPI purposes.

Source: page 11
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/P ... pdf#page12


Ah that sucks. Oh well, should be a home crowd environment either way.
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which we do not know yet because nothing has been formally announced
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Interested to see what everyone's predictions are for the rotation next year. Obviously it's way too early but, it'll be interesting to see if we change up our play style since we're not as guard heavy. Here is mine feel free to comment with yours below.
G- Darren fatts russel
G- Jeff dowtin
G/F- Dana Tate
F- jermaine harris
F- Cyril langevine
Bench
6. Christian Thompson
7. Brenden Adams
8. Ryan Preston
9. mike layssard
10. Tyrese Martin
11. Akele
12. Mike tertsea
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Unread postby reef » 3 weeks ago

Not a bad starting 5 not sure Tate starts from day 1 but it's possible. I also think Tyrese will be a rotation player higher than 10 but we shall see
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Vinstu wrote:Interested to see what everyone's predictions are for the rotation next year. Obviously it's way too early but, it'll be interesting to see if we change up our play style since we're not as guard heavy. Here is mine feel free to comment with yours below.
G- Darren fatts russel
G- Jeff dowtin
G/F- Dana Tate
F- jermaine harris
F- Cyril langevine
Bench
6. Christian Thompson
7. Brenden Adams
8. Ryan Preston
9. mike layssard
10. Tyrese Martin
11. Akele
12. Mike tertsea


Ok I’ll bite, I would guess that Layssard might transfer for a better opportunity to gain minutes. So here is my way too early prediction.

1. Dowtin
2. Fatts
3. Thompson
4. Langevine
5. Harris
Bench
6. Akele (senior)
7. Adams
8. Martin
9. Tate
10. Preston (senior)
11. Tertsea

I would expect us to go back to the 2 front court player lineup next year for sure with our current personal. I would also expect us to chase a high level 5th year grad transfer guard or a recruit that opts our if their NLI due to a coaching change after the season. If Lyssard does transfer, look for URI to target a potential high level transfer as well.
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CT Rhody wrote:
Vinstu wrote:Interested to see what everyone's predictions are for the rotation next year. Obviously it's way too early but, it'll be interesting to see if we change up our play style since we're not as guard heavy. Here is mine feel free to comment with yours below.
G- Darren fatts russel
G- Jeff dowtin
G/F- Dana Tate
F- jermaine harris
F- Cyril langevine
Bench
6. Christian Thompson
7. Brenden Adams
8. Ryan Preston
9. mike layssard
10. Tyrese Martin
11. Akele
12. Mike tertsea


Ok I’ll bite, I would guess that Layssard might transfer for a better opportunity to gain minutes. So here is my way too early prediction.

1. Dowtin
2. Fatts
3. Thompson
4. Langevine
5. Harris
Bench
6. Akele (senior)
7. Adams
8. Martin
9. Tate
10. Preston (senior)
11. Tertsea

I would expect us to go back to the 2 front court player lineup next year for sure with our current personal. I would also expect us to chase a high level 5th year grad transfer guard or a recruit that opts our if their NLI due to a coaching change after the season. If Lyssard does transfer, look for URI to target a potential high level transfer as well.


This thread is about schedule discussion for 2018 - 2019.
Guessing what the starting line up will be should have a thread to it's own
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