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Maybe we could do a deal with the Millers.

Since Sean and Archie won't play each other, and Dan and Bobby the same.....get Bobby to play Dayton and we get Arizona.....

Arizona St. I would think is a team on the rise as are we.......why not? I know, probably not.
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TruePoint wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:
scine20 wrote: Just a month ago you were begging him to leave.
I don't know if I was begging him to leave, but things were definitely leaning that way. And I wasn't alone in that regard.

Things changed...I think Dan, while not a finished coaching product, has improved quite a bit in his handling of game strategy.

There are some things left to work on....but what happened the last 2 minutes against Oregon weren't his fault......
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TP....funny funny ha ha.....if I was that clairvoyant I would be buying Powerball tickets......and URI would have a new football stadium.....
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Bone that is an actual Bone quote. No embellishment. It was after one of the coach's shows.
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TP, I know......wish I could take credit for the turnaround......but yes I'm much too modest for that......
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Billyboy78 wrote:
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Billyboy78 wrote:Not too many P5 teams are going to play a dangerous mid on the mid's home court.
What's the different and or consequence of playing a P5 vs non P5 if both teams are good? There's none. RPI and SOS would still be the same.
If you were a P5 team looking to schedule somebody right now, would you have confidence that URI will be a high RPI team next year? Sure, we had a great run, but that doesn't guarantee anything for next year. That's how a P5 school might look at it.
Sure, I'll agree there's more speculation that teams "trust" that someone like Indiana could be good next year compared to URI, but wait a second, Indiana tanked and had an awful RPI and didn't make the tourney, so why not URI? That was the entire point of making the tourney in relation to reputation. Now people should "trust" URI. I would take Witchita State over say Georgia Tech for example.
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ramster wrote:
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PeterRamTime wrote:
When did we have a home and home with Arizona?
We might play Seton Hall in the NIT tip off next year.. as well as Vandy and UVA.

With the NIT tip off and the PC game we have three marquee games against tournament teams right there.
I'd say we'd need to at least get a couple more for good measure. 5 games against tournament teams would be greaaat. Win 3 of them and your resume is solid.
Hey why don't we play at Kentucky next year? :)
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We had a home and home with Arizona back in the 90s. Skinner was coach. I don't remember the years, but we went out there one year and the next we played them at the Dunk.
January 2, 1993 we lost 87-79 @ Arizona: 19-11 (8-6 in A10), beat Purdue in NCAA, then lost to UNC 112-67 in Winston Salem
January 7, 1995 we lost 82-67 @ providence civic center: 7-20 (2-14 in A10) Arizona was the 3rd loss in what would be a 13 game losing streak that season
Thanks Ramster for supplying the dates. I guess it wasn't back to back years.
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rambone 78 wrote:Maybe we could do a deal with the Millers.

Since Sean and Archie won't play each other, and Dan and Bobby the same.....get Bobby to play Dayton and we get Arizona.....

Arizona St. I would think is a team on the rise as are we.......why not? I know, probably not.
Now that's thinking outside the box!
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We played Arizona in Hurley's second season, and we got
smoked.
They won't play us anywhere but at home.
I'm sure if URI wanted to play anyone on the
road, that would be fine with the opponent.
The SMU home and home was made before SMU
got to be an AAC power.
The best hope is going to tournaments in
November, like they did this season.
The pre-season NIT was a bomb a few years ago.
We had like 800 people here for those two home games,
which were not part of the season ticket package.
That year included having to play a D-2 school in that
tournament.
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steviep123 wrote:
ramster wrote:
steviep123 wrote:
We had a home and home with Arizona back in the 90s. Skinner was coach. I don't remember the years, but we went out there one year and the next we played them at the Dunk.
January 2, 1993 we lost 87-79 @ Arizona: 19-11 (8-6 in A10), beat Purdue in NCAA, then lost to UNC 112-67 in Winston Salem
January 7, 1995 we lost 82-67 @ providence civic center: 7-20 (2-14 in A10) Arizona was the 3rd loss in what would be a 13 game losing streak that season
Thanks Ramster for supplying the dates. I guess it wasn't back to back years.
You are welcome. It was not back to back but you are right it was a home and home. Note the URI game was played at the Dunk also which was part of the agreement.
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rodfromcranston wrote:We played Arizona in Hurley's second season, and we got smoked.
I drove 6.5 hours to watch that game. Perhaps not my wisest decision.
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rodfromcranston wrote:We played Arizona in Hurley's second season, and we got
smoked.
They won't play us anywhere but at home.
I'm sure if URI wanted to play anyone on the
road, that would be fine with the opponent.
The SMU home and home was made before SMU
got to be an AAC power.
The best hope is going to tournaments in
November, like they did this season.
The pre-season NIT was a bomb a few years ago.
We had like 800 people here for those two home games,
which were not part of the season ticket package.
That year included having to play a D-2 school in that
tournament.
They've changed the format of the preseason NIT, probably because of issues like that. Back then it was more of a traditional tournament, so they couldn't include the two games we played on campus because if we beat Arizona we would have been going to MSG. Now, it's more like the Mohegan tournament, so those two games will be in season ticket packages and we advance to Barclays whether we win or lose.
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Preseason tournaments across the country will take a hit next year, due to the Phil Knight 80th birthday Nike tournament next year in Oregon. That event will include Arkansas, Butler, Connecticut, Duke, Florida, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Michigan State, North Carolina, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Portland, Portland State, Stanford and Texas.
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Two games at MSG with a pod of four teams that just went to the NCAA sounds good to me.
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Agreed.
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:We played Arizona in Hurley's second season, and we got
smoked.
They won't play us anywhere but at home.
I'm sure if URI wanted to play anyone on the
road, that would be fine with the opponent.
The SMU home and home was made before SMU
got to be an AAC power.
The best hope is going to tournaments in
November, like they did this season.
The pre-season NIT was a bomb a few years ago.
We had like 800 people here for those two home games,
which were not part of the season ticket package.
That year included having to play a D-2 school in that
tournament.
They've changed the format of the preseason NIT, probably because of issues like that. Back then it was more of a traditional tournament, so they couldn't include the two games we played on campus because if we beat Arizona we would have been going to MSG. Now, it's more like the Mohegan tournament, so those two games will be in season ticket packages and we advance to Barclays whether we win or lose.
When we played Zona they had already changed the format. We weren't going to MSG had we won. They changed it about 10 years ago after Gardner Webb won at Rupp Arena and they ended up at MSG instead of Kentucky
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Some comments in Koch's article that probably belong here as well.

"It was about 12 hours of decompression and maybe 20 hours of recovery," Hurley said. "Then it becomes meeting with the folks here and expressing the desire to want to raise the bar, to support these great players even more."

"We've made some significant investments in the program over the last couple years – that's helped," Bjorn said. "But we can't stop."


http://www.providencejournal.com/sports ... nter-rally
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Hurley made it clear in his statements that URI has to make the necessary commitments to continue to keep this success going.

And Thorr's last 4 words "But we can't stop" says it all.

The first big step has been made...but there are more to come to get on a level field with Dayton and VCU....our BB budget isn't at their level.
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Hello, if you're someone sitting on your bank book of massive amounts of cash it's time to open that sucker up... this program needs things that are a no brainer. Like an actual practice facility, a video room, another facelift to our locker room, things that you go "oh wow" about other programs now need to be built here to continue this year's success. Check out Dayton's locker room alone and ask "wow, Danny has to recruit against those amenities?"

http://www.daytonflyers.com/sports/2013 ... ath=mbball

Or how about VCU, who's practice facility has multiple courts that their weight room and players lounge is directly/openly connected to it... take a look

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sporting ... imiqvcd70s

Or how about UMass who can't get anyone to take their coaching job, but have this

https://www.google.com/amp/www.masslive ... _baske.amp

Or how about "Big brother" PC... oh you say it's just Alumni Hall that's their facility? Nope they opened the checkbook too! Take a look

http://m.golocalprov.com/sports/new-pc- ... tic-center

Soooo yes we've only been to the dance 1 time in 18 years, but anyone in business has heard the phrase "sometimes you've gotta spend money to make even more!"


Sooo let's make a business investment, not just because Dan Hurley is our head coach and we don't want him to leave, but because this is modern college athletics and we're still in the Stone Age...

Oh, btw, most of this can be fixed by using Tootell's building shell and build the goodies inside with a facelift outside...

Pony up!

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NorthernRamFan wrote:Hello, if you're someone sitting on your bank book of massive amounts of cash it's time to open that sucker up... this program needs things that are a no brainer. Like an actual practice facility, a video room, another facelift to our locker room, things that you go "oh wow" about other programs now need to be built here to continue this year's success. Check out Dayton's locker room alone and ask "wow, Danny has to recruit against those amenities?"

http://www.daytonflyers.com/sports/2013 ... ath=mbball

Or how about VCU, who's practice facility has multiple courts that their weight room and players lounge is directly/openly connected to it... take a look

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sporting ... imiqvcd70s

Or how about UMass who can't get anyone to take their coaching job, but have this

https://www.google.com/amp/www.masslive ... _baske.amp

Or how about "Big brother" PC... oh you say it's just Alumni Hall that's their facility? Nope they opened the checkbook too! Take a look

http://m.golocalprov.com/sports/new-pc- ... tic-center

Soooo yes we've only been to the dance 1 time in 18 years, but anyone in business has heard the phrase "sometimes you've gotta spend money to make even more!"


Sooo let's make a business investment, not just because Dan Hurley is our head coach and we don't want him to leave, but because this is modern college athletics and we're still in the Stone Age...

Oh, btw, most of this can be fixed by using Tootell's building shell and build the goodies inside with a facelift outside...

Pony up!

#GoRhody
Not making excuses, we do need more investment in basketball, but a quick look will give some explanations as well. I do think we are at step 1 of seeing an increase in basketball support. We got in and got a win, now we can start stacking ncaa credits and really start going big

PC and Dayton are private institutions. thats apples and oranges. they have completely different tuition ranges as well as not having the same restrictions and regulations on how funds are used compared to public universities.

UMass and VCU boils down to enrollment. They are both far larger universities than we are and have a larger money pool because of it.

URI - 16,218
VCU - 31,242
UMass - 28,635

And thats not getting into VCU tickets costing upwards of thousands more per seat than URI and they have PSLs. In addition they dont have football competing for dollars against basketball.

I'd love for URI to finally drop that albatross and commit to being a purely basketball school.
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We will never drop football and it's not an albatross. 99% of the athletic departments in the country operate in the red...it comes with the "nonprofit/student athlete territory."

The programs that don't are the 10 elite football programs in the country.

Football costs URI about 300k/year. It would actually cost more to disband it and would severely mess up our Title IX requirements.

Nevermind that it still brings a few thousand people to campus several weekends a year who wouldn't otherwise come. Cancelling football is a nonstarter and a foolish conversation to have.
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VCU isn't a great program because they don't have football, it has to do with how they performed on the floor. UMASS has tons of money, and not much to show for it. URI football is a huge marketing tool for URI like Blueman stated and showcases the campus,allows ticket buyers to look at pres-season basketball ticket prices, scheduling ect. Announcements are made during the football games about the upcoming basketball season as well.
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Blue Man wrote:We will never drop football and it's not an albatross. 99% of the athletic departments in the country operate in the red...it comes with the "nonprofit/student athlete territory."

The programs that don't are the 10 elite football programs in the country.

Football costs URI about 300k/year. It would actually cost more to disband it and would severely mess up our Title IX requirements.

Nevermind that it still brings a few thousand people to campus several weekends a year who wouldn't otherwise come. Cancelling football is a nonstarter and a foolish conversation to have.
We lose $500,000 a year on football, it would not cost more to disband it and it would not mess up Title IX
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rjsuperfly66 wrote:Preseason tournaments across the country will take a hit next year, due to the Phil Knight 80th birthday Nike tournament next year in Oregon. That event will include Arkansas, Butler, Connecticut, Duke, Florida, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Michigan State, North Carolina, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Portland, Portland State, Stanford and Texas.
Shame they couldn't get any good teams for this.
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RhowdyRam02 wrote: We lose $500,000 a year on football, it would not cost more to disband it and it would not mess up Title IX

If losing money is the deciding factor, should URI then drop just about EVERY athletics program its sponsors as they all pretty much lose money? One would even think the basketball program is not out of bounds. It generates the most revenue but also has the biggest expenses. I am not even sure it operates at a profit every year. Should it be dropped if it loses money too?

Athletic programs at schools were not originally established to make money. The money making emphasis is relatively new coming on strong in the last few decades. Athletic programs were originally intended to give students the opportunity to compete in sports they loved, make student athletes well rounded, let students represent their schools, build school spirit (students faculty, staff, and alums), and add to the quality of campus life.
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SmartyBarrett wrote:
rjsuperfly66 wrote:Preseason tournaments across the country will take a hit next year, due to the Phil Knight 80th birthday Nike tournament next year in Oregon. That event will include Arkansas, Butler, Connecticut, Duke, Florida, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Michigan State, North Carolina, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Portland, Portland State, Stanford and Texas.
Shame they couldn't get any good teams for this.

This is what makes our NIT Season Tipoff participation next year even more impressive. Rhody will be at Barclays with three other NCAA teams (Virginia, VAndy, and Seton Hall). That would be a great tournament for URI in any year. To do so next season is that much more remarkable. The Phil Knight Nike Tournament has the biggest names in college basketball and it will make them unavailable for other events. The competing tournament fields for next year are going to be very watered down. It will mean that many schools will not get the opportunity to face high profile (and likely high RPI) teams on neutral courts in tourneys. This will mean even less opportunities for big wins for teams outside the power conferences. As we have seen, wins against top 50 teams is a key factor in NCAA selection. The Nike tournament will therefore have a big ripple effect and hurt many non P5 teams.
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RhowdyRam02 wrote: We lose $500,000 a year on football, it would not cost more to disband it and it would not mess up Title IX

If losing money is the deciding factor, should URI then drop just about EVERY athletics program its sponsors as they all pretty much lose money? One would even think the basketball program is not out of bounds. It generates the most revenue but also has the biggest expenses. I am not even sure it operates at a profit every year. Should it be dropped if it loses money too?

Athletic programs at schools were not originally established to make money. The money making emphasis is relatively new coming on strong in the last few decades. Athletic programs were originally intended to give students the opportunity to compete in sports they loved, make student athletes well rounded, let students represent their schools, build school spirit (students faculty, staff, and alums), and add to the quality of campus life.
I'm not even getting into should we or should we not keep football. I've done it plenty, I'm sure I'll do it a ton more, but to me this isn't the right thread for it. Blue Man cited an inaccurate figure and I posted a correction.
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:
Blue Man wrote:We will never drop football and it's not an albatross. 99% of the athletic departments in the country operate in the red...it comes with the "nonprofit/student athlete territory."

The programs that don't are the 10 elite football programs in the country.

Football costs URI about 300k/year. It would actually cost more to disband it and would severely mess up our Title IX requirements.

Nevermind that it still brings a few thousand people to campus several weekends a year who wouldn't otherwise come. Cancelling football is a nonstarter and a foolish conversation to have.
We lose $500,000 a year on football, it would not cost more to disband it and it would not mess up Title IX
Apologies for the rushed number quote while typing on my phone. In a near 30 million dollar budget football costs about 1.3 and brings in 800k. Not exactly killing the department. If we're sticking with the winged creatures argument, instead of an albatross, football is more or less a hummingbird. The 2.3 million in scholarships would just be re-allocated to student aid, so no difference there.

Um, yes. It would mess up Title IX because you have to provide an equal number of scholarships to both men and women respective to the enrollment at the university. URI is a 50/50 split, maybe a little more female students. So you have 60 or so scholarships that would vanish and then how do you fill that gap? Add 4 more men's sports teams that will just burn more money than the operating cost of football without a shred of hope to turn a profit?

You'd have to cut a shit load of women's sports even if you were to add men's hockey or something else. Now you lose the donor base from all those families and alums that will not look fondly back on their school or donate or be fans in the future - they probably leave for other schools (plus all the football players you just got rid of). Plus the fact that now you're shrinking the overall athletic department and need for it to exist because now a whole lot less student-athletes exist and now more people can say "wow why am i paying athletics fees i dont even know any athletes." Probably not the best move.

But, let's say we ignore the above factors and press through with your cut-football plan. So now that we've cost the university millions in prospective donations from all of those families - we also how to consider how you make up the gap for the 200-300k that football donors give to the football program alone - nevermind the peripheral money they also provide to athletics? Where do you make up the increased money that Adidas gives any 1AA football school that just shows up? Do you think they're throwing that same kind of cash behind hockey or women's rowing?

For the bajillionth time - college athletics are not as simple as "this team is good on the field so they bring in money" and "this team is bad on the field lets cut them." There are revenue sports, and then there are all the other ones. Football and basketball are the former, baseball, hockey, soccer, rowing, swimming, track, cross country, softball, women's sports, etc are the latter.

ANYONE who has worked in collegiate athletics or understands even the simplest of concepts here understands that.

Yes, at URI, basketball is capable of bringing in significantly more money than football. It is our premier, big money program and is treated as such. It has first dibs on everything and gets the best of everything as it should, because it brings the most fans and can bring in the most money.

After men's basketball, 1 afternoon football game brings in more attendance than every other URI D1 program combined in a season.

Just because you don't go to any football games doesn't mean there literally aren't thousands of people who do. Anyone who thinks cutting football is the right decision is so fantastically wrong I cannot even begin to explain it.
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The only discussion about the football program worth having is how to improve it.
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Agree that we need to be focused on making football better. We need to be in a position for future conference shake-ups to be aligned with a football playing conference. When the AAC ultimately retools and UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple are looking for partners other than doormats of Tulane etc we should be ready. We can be the football doormat that offers a quality and more local basketball program than Tulane.
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Blue Man wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:
Blue Man wrote:We will never drop football and it's not an albatross. 99% of the athletic departments in the country operate in the red...it comes with the "nonprofit/student athlete territory."

The programs that don't are the 10 elite football programs in the country.

Football costs URI about 300k/year. It would actually cost more to disband it and would severely mess up our Title IX requirements.

Nevermind that it still brings a few thousand people to campus several weekends a year who wouldn't otherwise come. Cancelling football is a nonstarter and a foolish conversation to have.
We lose $500,000 a year on football, it would not cost more to disband it and it would not mess up Title IX
Apologies for the rushed number quote while typing on my phone. In a near 30 million dollar budget football costs about 1.3 and brings in 800k. Not exactly killing the department. If we're sticking with the winged creatures argument, instead of an albatross, football is more or less a hummingbird. The 2.3 million in scholarships would just be re-allocated to student aid, so no difference there.

Um, yes. It would mess up Title IX because you have to provide an equal number of scholarships to both men and women respective to the enrollment at the university. URI is a 50/50 split, maybe a little more female students. So you have 60 or so scholarships that would vanish and then how do you fill that gap? Add 4 more men's sports teams that will just burn more money than the operating cost of football without a shred of hope to turn a profit?

You'd have to cut a shit load of women's sports even if you were to add men's hockey or something else. Now you lose the donor base from all those families and alums that will not look fondly back on their school or donate or be fans in the future - they probably leave for other schools (plus all the football players you just got rid of). Plus the fact that now you're shrinking the overall athletic department and need for it to exist because now a whole lot less student-athletes exist and now more people can say "wow why am i paying athletics fees i dont even know any athletes." Probably not the best move.

But, let's say we ignore the above factors and press through with your cut-football plan. So now that we've cost the university millions in prospective donations from all of those families - we also how to consider how you make up the gap for the 200-300k that football donors give to the football program alone - nevermind the peripheral money they also provide to athletics? Where do you make up the increased money that Adidas gives any 1AA football school that just shows up? Do you think they're throwing that same kind of cash behind hockey or women's rowing?

For the bajillionth time - college athletics are not as simple as "this team is good on the field so they bring in money" and "this team is bad on the field lets cut them." There are revenue sports, and then there are all the other ones. Football and basketball are the former, baseball, hockey, soccer, rowing, swimming, track, cross country, softball, women's sports, etc are the latter.

ANYONE who has worked in collegiate athletics or understands even the simplest of concepts here understands that.

Yes, at URI, basketball is capable of bringing in significantly more money than football. It is our premier, big money program and is treated as such. It has first dibs on everything and gets the best of everything as it should, because it brings the most fans and can bring in the most money.

After men's basketball, 1 afternoon football game brings in more attendance than every other URI D1 program combined in a season.

Just because you don't go to any football games doesn't mean there literally aren't thousands of people who do. Anyone who thinks cutting football is the right decision is so fantastically wrong I cannot even begin to explain it.

Great post, agree 100%
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All the schools you mention are playing FBS level football.
URI will never be FBS, so the AAC football is out of reach.
URI can't even compete in the CAA, let alone with FBS schools.
There are high schools down South who have better football
facilities than URI.
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rodfromcranston wrote:All the schools you mention are playing FBS level football.
URI will never be FBS, so the AAC football is out of reach.
URI can't even compete in the CAA, let alone with FBS schools.
There are high schools down South who have better football
facilities than URI.
Exactly my point, we will never be FBS (or have our own sports network, or have the ability to fill 100k seat stadiums) so we will never be a "profitable" athletic department, much like the thousands of other colleges that aren't.

URI could compete in the CAA, Daren Rizzi showed that we "could" as those games were close and competitive. Honestly a few more years of him may have changed things. To be fair though, Fleming did just bring in the #1 recruiting class in the CAA, so time will tell with him.

As far as "facilities" go - it depends what you're talking about. Weightlifting and support facilities, honestly URI is on the level of some FBS programs there. If you haven't seen our weight room and support facilities you need to. They're top notch. That's why we've been getting the recruits we have in both football and basketball.

As far as the stadium goes? There are high school programs in this state with better and newer facilities. Meade needs a facelift or razing. That will take time and is just a reality.

My larger point was that we suck at football, have sucked at football, and yet we continue to bring in 800k in revenue a year no matter what. The cost to the university is insignificant in it's present state. The non-monetary benefits are numerous and have been listed ad-nauseum.

With that said about our continued sucking and 800k incoming revenue...could you imagine if we got good? If we don't? Who cares we stay where we're at...if we somehow turn the program around? The risk/reward here is so low/high that it would be dumb to not continue trying.
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rodfromcranston wrote:All the schools you mention are playing FBS level football.
URI will never be FBS, so the AAC football is out of reach.
URI can't even compete in the CAA, let alone with FBS schools.
There are high schools down South who have better football
facilities than URI.
Exactly my point, we will never be FBS (or have our own sports network, or have the ability to fill 100k seat stadiums) so we will never be a "profitable" athletic department, much like the thousands of other colleges that aren't.

URI could compete in the CAA, Daren Rizzi showed that we "could" as those games were close and competitive. Honestly a few more years of him may have changed things. To be fair though, Fleming did just bring in the #1 recruiting class in the CAA, so time will tell with him.

As far as "facilities" go - it depends what you're talking about. Weightlifting and support facilities, honestly URI is on the level of some FBS programs there. If you haven't seen our weight room and support facilities you need to. They're top notch. That's why we've been getting the recruits we have in both football and basketball.

As far as the stadium goes? There are high school programs in this state with better and newer facilities. Meade needs a facelift or razing. That will take time and is just a reality.

My larger point was that we suck at football, have sucked at football, and yet we continue to bring in 800k in revenue a year no matter what. The cost to the university is insignificant in it's present state. The non-monetary benefits are numerous and have been listed ad-nauseum.

With that said about our continued sucking and 800k incoming revenue...could you imagine if we got good? If we don't? Who cares we stay where we're at...if we somehow turn the program around? The risk/reward here is so low/high that it would be dumb to not continue trying.
Yeah, like Hendricken. And sometimes Hendricken gets better recruits than URI.....Kwity Paye. (Oops, I'm not supposed to say that Hendrcken recruits.)
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and if we get good at football, you'll see revenue drop. The large chunk of that revenue is because we've gotten pay for play games against FCS teams looking for an exhibition tune up. Get good and those disappear.

The football program, is and always has been a turd. Sorry, there are no off field benefits from being a 1-3 win a year team that keeps dropping divisions to "compete"
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Da_Process_Survivor wrote:and if we get good at football, you'll see revenue drop. The large chunk of that revenue is because we've gotten pay for play games against FCS teams looking for an exhibition tune up. Get good and those disappear.

The football program, is and always has been a turd. Sorry, there are no off field benefits from being a 1-3 win a year team that keeps dropping divisions to "compete"
They've never dropped divisions. They were about to drop down to a lower conference, officially announced it, but decided against it and returned to the CAA. They never played a game in the lower conference. I'm sure it still hurt, but that statement is false.
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Da_Process_Survivor wrote:and if we get good at football, you'll see revenue drop. The large chunk of that revenue is because we've gotten pay for play games against FCS teams looking for an exhibition tune up. Get good and those disappear.

The football program, is and always has been a turd. Sorry, there are no off field benefits from being a 1-3 win a year team that keeps dropping divisions to "compete"
Is that true? James Madison, who won the Championship, was paid $425k to go beat SMU in 2015. This past season North Carolina paid to bring them in, and next season ECU will pay to bring them in.
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Da_Process_Survivor wrote:and if we get good at football, you'll see revenue drop. The large chunk of that revenue is because we've gotten pay for play games against FCS teams looking for an exhibition tune up. Get good and those disappear.

The football program, is and always has been a turd. Sorry, there are no off field benefits from being a 1-3 win a year team that keeps dropping divisions to "compete"
Disagree - those buy games still exist no matter how "good" your 1AA program is. With the exception of Appalachain State beating a very high Michigan team several years ago and JMU over SMU last year, 1AA schools are never a danger to win and they're always needed as a tune up for 1A schools as a game that doesn't count against them.

Also - if we get good at football, then you play in the 1AA playoffs and add revenue via wins, merch, tix, tv, sponsors, donors, etc. Ya know, the same way every other program benefits by winning.

Also we haven't dropped a division to compete. We dropped to the NEC and jumped back up to the CAA in an off-season, and have never not competed in the CAA for football since the A10 dissolved it's football conference. CAA is still a top division in FCS football.

As for the off-field benefits of the football program, please see the novels I wrote above.
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Blue Man wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:
Blue Man wrote:We will never drop football and it's not an albatross. 99% of the athletic departments in the country operate in the red...it comes with the "nonprofit/student athlete territory."

The programs that don't are the 10 elite football programs in the country.

Football costs URI about 300k/year. It would actually cost more to disband it and would severely mess up our Title IX requirements.

Nevermind that it still brings a few thousand people to campus several weekends a year who wouldn't otherwise come. Cancelling football is a nonstarter and a foolish conversation to have.
We lose $500,000 a year on football, it would not cost more to disband it and it would not mess up Title IX
Um, yes. It would mess up Title IX because you have to provide an equal number of scholarships to both men and women respective to the enrollment at the university. URI is a 50/50 split, maybe a little more female students. So you have 60 or so scholarships that would vanish and then how do you fill that gap? Add 4 more men's sports teams that will just burn more money than the operating cost of football without a shred of hope to turn a profit?
You would add the scholarships to woman's sports we already have. I doubt all our woman's sports are fully funded so I really don't think it would be an issue.
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Buy games don't go away just because you get better. Buy games are a big part of running most FCS programs, and will continue. IF we get good the only thing that would change is that occasionally we may be able to get paid a large amount of money to beat some below average BCS team. A la JMU beating SMU.
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Do you know how good you would have to be to scare off P5 football teams from buying a home game with you? (Hint: you cannot get that good as an FCS team. If anything, you will just get the opportunity to play against better teams in bigger venues because you're a more meaningful cupcake.)
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rhodylaw wrote:Agree that we need to be focused on making football better. We need to be in a position for future conference shake-ups to be aligned with a football playing conference. When the AAC ultimately retools and UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple are looking for partners other than doormats of Tulane etc we should be ready. We can be the football doormat that offers a quality and more local basketball program than Tulane.
So now we should be looking at FBS football?
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Blue Man wrote:
Da_Process_Survivor wrote:and if we get good at football, you'll see revenue drop. The large chunk of that revenue is because we've gotten pay for play games against FCS teams looking for an exhibition tune up. Get good and those disappear.

The football program, is and always has been a turd. Sorry, there are no off field benefits from being a 1-3 win a year team that keeps dropping divisions to "compete"
Disagree - those buy games still exist no matter how "good" your 1AA program is. With the exception of Appalachain State beating a very high Michigan team several years ago and JMU over SMU last year, 1AA schools are never a danger to win and they're always needed as a tune up for 1A schools as a game that doesn't count against them.

Also - if we get good at football, then you play in the 1AA playoffs and add revenue via wins, merch, tix, tv, sponsors, donors, etc. Ya know, the same way every other program benefits by winning.

Also we haven't dropped a division to compete. We dropped to the NEC and jumped back up to the CAA in an off-season, and have never not competed in the CAA for football since the A10 dissolved it's football conference. CAA is still a top division in FCS football.

As for the off-field benefits of the football program, please see the novels I wrote above.

FCS teams beat FBS teams all the time.

Most FCS teams lose money as they go along in the playoffs. The money they generate isn't equal to what they spend in increased travel, etc.
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Blue Man wrote:
Da_Process_Survivor wrote:and if we get good at football, you'll see revenue drop. The large chunk of that revenue is because we've gotten pay for play games against FCS teams looking for an exhibition tune up. Get good and those disappear.

The football program, is and always has been a turd. Sorry, there are no off field benefits from being a 1-3 win a year team that keeps dropping divisions to "compete"
Disagree - those buy games still exist no matter how "good" your 1AA program is. With the exception of Appalachain State beating a very high Michigan team several years ago and JMU over SMU last year, 1AA schools are never a danger to win and they're always needed as a tune up for 1A schools as a game that doesn't count against them.

Also - if we get good at football, then you play in the 1AA playoffs and add revenue via wins, merch, tix, tv, sponsors, donors, etc. Ya know, the same way every other program benefits by winning.

Also we haven't dropped a division to compete. We dropped to the NEC and jumped back up to the CAA in an off-season, and have never not competed in the CAA for football since the A10 dissolved it's football conference. CAA is still a top division in FCS football.

As for the off-field benefits of the football program, please see the novels I wrote above.

FCS teams beat FBS teams all the time.

Most FCS teams lose money as they go along in the playoffs. The money they generate isn't equal to what they spend in increased travel, etc.
So we're back to my point that no program anywhere makes a profit so it's a moot point?

So even the good teams don't make a profit? Wins or losses don't matter on the spreadsheet?

So even if Rhody football were a perennial playoff team and very good that we'd still be operating in a deficit like every other program?

So if winning or losing doesn't affect the program operating in a deficit, thousands of people still show up to football games, and hundreds of thousands of dollars comes in even when football sucks - Rhody football is an albatross strangling the life out of the athletic department how again?
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I would be curious to see if there has been an uptake in donations to the bball program and school overall since the publicity of the tourney run.
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The financially-based argument for dropping the football team is that without upgraded facilities the team will always suck and therefore should be dropped because it is bad and a money pit. The irony is that it would take 50+ years of turning modest profits to make back the money that it would cost to build a new stadium and then presumably become good (and even then turning a modest profit is not guaranteed).

The argument about football should not be (exclusively) about money, it should be about what type of university we want to be. If we are only going to play sports in which we will profit, be prepared to drop all sports. We don't only offer classes that turn a profit.

Obviously the school has to abide by certain economic realities, but every single decision cannot be about how profitable a specific activity is. We have to have a more holistic view.
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Blue Man wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:
Blue Man wrote:
Disagree - those buy games still exist no matter how "good" your 1AA program is. With the exception of Appalachain State beating a very high Michigan team several years ago and JMU over SMU last year, 1AA schools are never a danger to win and they're always needed as a tune up for 1A schools as a game that doesn't count against them.

Also - if we get good at football, then you play in the 1AA playoffs and add revenue via wins, merch, tix, tv, sponsors, donors, etc. Ya know, the same way every other program benefits by winning.

Also we haven't dropped a division to compete. We dropped to the NEC and jumped back up to the CAA in an off-season, and have never not competed in the CAA for football since the A10 dissolved it's football conference. CAA is still a top division in FCS football.

As for the off-field benefits of the football program, please see the novels I wrote above.

FCS teams beat FBS teams all the time.

Most FCS teams lose money as they go along in the playoffs. The money they generate isn't equal to what they spend in increased travel, etc.
So we're back to my point that no program anywhere makes a profit so it's a moot point?

So even the good teams don't make a profit? Wins or losses don't matter on the spreadsheet?

So even if Rhody football were a perennial playoff team and very good that we'd still be operating in a deficit like every other program?

So if winning or losing doesn't affect the program operating in a deficit, thousands of people still show up to football games, and hundreds of thousands of dollars comes in even when football sucks - Rhody football is an albatross strangling the life out of the athletic department how again?
You're the one bringing up money. Revenue is only half of the equation. It doesn't matter what the revenue is if the costs are significantly higher.
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