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So far the seedings we know is Dayton will be a top 2 seed
VCU will be a top 4 seed
The 2 remaining top 4 seeds are between Richmond, URI, SBU and GMU holds onto a slight hope.

Of the 3 URI has the hardest schedule remaining

I will posted the up to date standings following tonight games
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I'm a fan of the thread on the A10 board and am glad you're bringing it here. Thanks!
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If we forget about any small chance we have at an at large bid I would say that last nights game vs lasalle was more important than say the VCU game. If we lost vs lasalle they would own tiebreaker against us and have the 4 seed with an easy schedule remaining.

Luckily we took care of business and are in good shape for getting a double bye even if we lose a game or god forbid 2
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2 wins will clinch a top 4 I believe, 1 win would depend on other results
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TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE
Wednesday, March 8 at PPG Arena Pittsburgh, PA
Game 1: 12. Duquesne (3-12) vs 13. Massachusetts (3-12) 6:00 PM ASN
Game 2: 11. Saint Louis (4-11) vs 14. Saint Joseph's (3-12) 8:30 PM ASN

Thursday, March 9 at PPG Arena Pittsburgh, PA
Game 3: 8. Davidson (7-8) vs 9. Fordham (7-8) 12:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 4: 5. St Bonaventure (9-6) vs Game 1 Winner 2:30 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 5: 7. La Salle (8-7) vs 10. George Washington (7-8) 6:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 6: 6. George Mason (8-7) vs Game 2 Winner 8:30 PM NBC Sports Network

Friday, March 10 at PPG Arena Pittsburgh, PA
Game 7: 1. VCU (13-2) vs Game 3 Winner 12:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 8: 4. Rhode Island (10-5) vs Game 4 Winner 2:30 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 9: 2. Dayton (13-2) vs Game 5 Winner 6:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 10: 3. Richmond (10-5) vs Game 6 Winner 8:30 PM NBC Sports Network

Saturday, March 11 at PPG Arena Pittsburgh, PA
Game 11: Game 7 Winner vs Game 8 Winner 1:00 PM CBS Sports Network
Game 12: Game 9 Winner vs Game 10 Winner 3:30 PM CBS Sports Network

Sunday, March 12 at PPG Arena Pittsburgh, PA
Game 13: Championship Game 12:30 PM CBS

SEEDS
1. VCU (13-2)*
2. Dayton (13-2)
3. Richmond (10-5)&
4. Rhode Island (10-5)
5. St Bonaventure (9-6)
6. George Mason (8-7) $
7. La Salle (8-7)
8. Davidson (7-8)^^
9. Fordham(7-8)^
10. George Washington (7-8)
11. Saint Louis (4-11)
12. Duquesne (3-12)%%
13. Massachusetts (3-12)%
14. Saint Joseph's (3-12)

*VCU beat Dayton head to head
& Richmond beat URI head to head
$ George Mason beat La Salle head to head
^^ By 2-2 record against the other teams 7-8 (both GW and Fordham are 1-1) [taking some liberties here won't finish this way]
^ By 1-0 record against VCU (GW is 0-2) [no head to head]
%% By 1-0 record against the teams 3-10
% By 2-1 record against the teams 3-10 (SJU is 0-2)

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The following tiebreaker format is utilized for determining the seeding in the Atlantic 10 Men’s Basketball Championship:

Two-Team Tie
1. Head-to-head competition.

2. Conference record of the tied teams based on winning percentage versus the highest
common opponent and proceeding down to the lowest common opponent, if necessary, until
one team gains an advantage.

a. All ties are broken in descending order.
b. When arriving at another pair of tied teams, use each team’s record against the tied teams
as a group. When comparing records against a group of teams, the higher winning
percentage will prevail. In case of tied percentages vs. the team or group of 1.000 or
.000, the following shall apply: 2-0 is better than 1-0; 0-1 is better than 0-2.

3. Coin toss.


Three or More-Team Tie

1. Head-to-head competition.

a. Use each team’s record against the tied teams as a group rather than performance
against individual teams. When comparing records against a group of teams, the higher
winning percentage will prevail. In case of tied percentages vs. the team or group of
1.000 or .000, the following shall apply: 2-0 is better than 1-0; 0-1 is better than 0-2.

2. If the above results in two teams remaining, the two-team tiebreaker is used.

3. If more than two teams still remain, use the Conference record of the tied teams based on
winning percentage versus the highest common opponent and proceeding down to the
lowest common opponent, if necessary, until one team gains an advantage.

a. All ties are broken in descending order.
b. When arriving at another pair of tied teams, use each team’s record against the tied teams
as a group. When comparing records against a group of teams, the higher winning
percentage will prevail. In case of tied percentages vs. the team or group of 1.000 or .000,
the following shall apply: 2-0 is better than 1-0; 0-1 is better than 0-2.

4. Draw lots.


NOTE: All ties will be broken in descending order. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the tied teams as a group rather than the performance against individual teams. Once ties are broken, they remain broken throughout the tie-breaker process.
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Let's get that 3 seed !!
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we can get the 2 seed in the following scenario:
URI wins out [vs VCU, at SJU, vs Davidson]
VCU loses out [at URI, at Dayton, vs GMU]
Richmond loses 1 of it's remaining games [at Fordham, at UMass, vs SLU]
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twisted3829 wrote:we can get the 2 seed in the following scenario:
URI wins out [vs VCU, at SJU, vs Davidson]
VCU loses out [at URI, at Dayton, vs GMU]
Richmond loses 1 of it's remaining games [at Fordham, at UMass, vs SLU]
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that one.
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So if URI has a better overall record than Richmond, but their conference record is tied, Richmond gets the breaker?
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Overall record doesn't matter, only conference record.
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Rhodymob05 wrote:So if URI has a better overall record than Richmond, but their conference record is tied, Richmond gets the breaker?
The tiebreaker reason is listed below the standings along with the full A10 tiebreaker procedure. The first tiebreaker is head to head and since URI lost to Richmond, Richmond owns the tiebreaker
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If the seeds stay relatively the same, that 1 seed will have a tough game facing Davidson/Fordham. Davidson is always dangerous if they get hot and Fordham has shown they can beat anybody this year.
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Rhodymob05 wrote:So if URI has a better overall record than Richmond, but their conference record is tied, Richmond gets the breaker?
Yes. Because they only played one game and Richmond win. Doesn't matter if URI went 12-0 in OOC. Only conference record counts. If they played home and home and split and both finished A10 12-6 then ypunho to the next tie breaker on the list.
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So if I'm doing this right we can be anywhere from 2-5 going into the midweek games. And if Bonaventure loses tonight and we win tomorrow we clinch a double bye.
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Actually, either a Bonnies loss tonight or a Rhody win tomorrow clinches the double bye. The Bonnies lose both 2 and 3 team tiebreakers to both Rhody and Richmond.
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I'm curious who people would rather see in the semis, (assuming that is essentially a play-in game, which I understand is not a given at this point).

On one hand, it seems obvious that we've lost to Dayton twice and beat VCU by 10, so maybe you assume we match up better with VCU. On the other hand, I felt like Dayton was very beatable both times and traditionally we've had more success against Dayton, whereas VCU has been a big lift for us. Curious what other people think.
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TruePoint wrote:I'm curious who people would rather see in the semis, (assuming that is essentially a play-in game, which I understand is not a given at this point).

On one hand, it seems obvious that we've lost to Dayton twice and beat VCU by 10, so maybe you assume we match up better with VCU. On the other hand, I felt like Dayton was very beatable both times and traditionally we've had more success against Dayton, whereas VCU has been a big lift for us. Curious what other people think.
We don't miss 95 free throws in the last few minutes and we beat Dayton. lol in case you forgot. So I think we match up fine.
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Give me Dayton in the semi's over VCU.
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TruePoint wrote:I'm curious who people would rather see in the semis, (assuming that is essentially a play-in game, which I understand is not a given at this point).

On one hand, it seems obvious that we've lost to Dayton twice and beat VCU by 10, so maybe you assume we match up better with VCU. On the other hand, I felt like Dayton was very beatable both times and traditionally we've had more success against Dayton, whereas VCU has been a big lift for us. Curious what other people think.
I'd love to see Dayton, if for nothing else just for another shot at beating them. But beating them would also carry a lot more weight on the tournament resume.
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URI has now clinched a top 4 seed with St Bonaventure's lost at Davidson tonight
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Let's goooo thank you Davidson.
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2 seed if VCU loses both games, URI wins both games and Richmond loses 1 game
3 seed if VCU loses both games, URI wins both games and Richmond wins both games
3 seed if VCU wins 1 game, URI wins both games and Richmond loses 1 game
3 seed if URI splits the last 2 games and RIchmond loses both games
4 seed if VCU wins 1 game, URI and RIchmond have the same record over the last 2 games
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I actually would rather play VCU in the semis

I know we played Dayton great and could have won both games I think if it's very close again we will lose a close one

WE may have VCU number and I think Datong is a better team than VCU
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reef wrote:I actually would rather play VCU in the semis

I know we played Dayton great and could have won both games I think if it's very close again we will lose a close one

WE may have VCU number and I think Datong is a better team than VCU
I think I have to disagree here.

Both of our games vs Dayton were tough, close losses. We have proven that we can play at their level, and it just doesn't seem likely that they could beat us 3 times in the same season. Plus, a Dayton win would be a massive asset to our resumè, and losing to VCU after beating them wouldn't look too hot.
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Completely agree with Joe. I want Dayton. We can all agree that URI and Dayton are very close in talent and it's very hard to beat an equally talented team 3 times in a row. Just the simple law of averages would play in our favor. Add in the fact that a first win against Dayton would look a lot better to the committee than a second win against VCU. Also I am not ready to say we have VCU's number. If we had shot our usual percentage from the FT line last Saturday then we probably would have lost that game
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Right, one game isn't enough to say we have a team's number. And getting a W against Dayton would help round out the resume. Can't say I'd feel confident or comfortable if we got them though.
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I'd prefer Dayton. VCU is tough. We played very well to beat them. And in neutral site with revenge factor I think we'd have trouble beating them. Dayton is no cakewalk either
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Dayton has locked up the 1 seed

for URI 2, 3 and 4 seeds all still possible

2 seed if VCU loses, URI wins, Richmond loses
3 seed if VCU loses, URI wins, Richmond wins (VCU 2-1 vs others, URI 1-1 vs the others, Richmond 1-2 vs the others)
3 seed if VCU wins, URI wins, Richmond loses
4 seed if VCU wins, URI wins, Richmond wins
4 seed if URI loses
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Focus on Saturday. a win on Saturday is vital.
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Ok you guys changed my mind

I want Dayton and I want them now !!
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I'm OK with a Rhody, VCU and Richmond win resulting in a 4 seed. I'd love another shot at Dayton, who will no doubt be ranked if they win on Saturday.
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True we played them tooth and nail maybe we beat them this time
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Looks like it will be StB then, if we win, Dayton. My opinion that's the worst scenario for us. I think StB has the best chance of anyone to upset us, Dayton or VCU and of course we draw them. Then even if we beat stB, we may knock them out of the top 100 rpi so we lose a top 100 win instead of gaining one. Then, we play Dayton who is smarter and more composed under pressure than VCU. And even if we beat Dayton, we're still 3rd team out of the A-10 whereas if we were to beat VCU in the semis, I think we would get in over VCU. Hopefully St. Louis can beat Richmond Saturday so we move to the other side of the A-10 bracket.
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It will be close, but I plugged in UMass and St. Joe's wins and a loss to us for St. Bonaventure and got a projected RPI of 95.
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for anyone interesting here is the scenarios for ever team

Dayton
1 seed

VCU
2 seed if win
2 seed if loss and URI loss
2 seed if loss and Richmond win
3 seed if loss and URI win and Richmond loss

Richmond
3 seed if win, VCU win
3 seed if loss and URI loss
4 seed if win and VCU loss and URI win
4 seed if loss and URI win

Rhode Island
2 seed if win and VCU loss and Richmond loss
3 seed if win and VCU loss and Richmond win
3 seed if win and VCU win and Richmond loss
4 seed if win and VCU win and Richmond win
4 seed is loss

St Bonaventure
5 seed if win
5 seed if loss and GW loss
6 seed if loss and GW win

George Washington
5 seed if win and SBU loss
6 seed if win and SBU win
6 seed if loss and GMU loss and loss by Davidson OR La Salle
7 seed if loss and GMU win and Davidson loss and La Salle loss
7 seed if loss and GMU loss and Davidson win and La Salle win
8 seed if loss and GMU win and Davidson win and La Salle loss
8 seed if loss and GMU win and Davidson loss and La Salle win
8 seed if loss and GMU win and Davidson win and La Salle win

George Mason
6 seed if win and GW loss
7 seed if GW win
7 seed if loss and GW loss and La Salle loss
8 seed if loss and GW loss and La Salle win

La Salle
6 seed if win and GW loss and GMU loss and Davidson win
7 seed if win and GW loss and GMU loss and Davidson loss
7 seed if win and GW loss and GMU win
8 seed if win and GW win
8 seed if loss and Davidson loss
10 seed if loss and Davidson win

Davidson
7 seed if win and GW loss and GMU win and La Salle loss
8 seed if win and GW win and La Salle loss
8 seed if win and GW loss and GMU win and La Salle win
8 seed if win and GW loss and GMU loss and La Salle loss
9 seed if GW win and La Salle win
9 seed if win and GW loss and GMU loss and La Salle win
9 seed if loss and GW loss and La Salle win
10 seed if loss and La Salle loss

Fordham
9 seed if win
10 seed if loss

Saint Louis
11 seed

Massachusetts
12 seed if win
12 seed if loss and Saint Joseph's win
13 seed if loss and Duquesne win

Saint Joseph's
13 seed if win
14 seed if loss

Duquesne
12 seed if win and UMass loss
13 seed if win and UMass win
14 seed if loss
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Does anybody have a projected A10 bracket?
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[quote="RhodyRamsRep"]Hey Rhody fans!

If any of you are looking for a great deal on A10 Tournament tickets, give us a call! We currently have packages starting at $135 for ALL 7 sessions in Section 120. (Helps the university when you purchase through us since we are on the hook for the tickets regardless.)

Shoot me an email or give me a buzz if you have any questions or use the link below to purchase your tickets!

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Only looking for tix for sessions starting Friday...anything you can do for that?
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#4 seed. SBU is the #5 seed and likely 1st game opponent if they do as expected and win Thursday.
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we will play wither SBU, St Joe's or UMass Friday
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I can't see either UMASS or the Hawks beating the Bonnies.
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Rhody74 wrote:I can't see either UMASS or the Hawks beating the Bonnies.
Yeah, same. But I hope they do, because Rhody will steamroll either one of those teams.
Rather deal with them than the Bonnies with Adams who, like Gibbs, can become a problem.
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That Bonnie's game will be tough
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Mosley and Adams are very good, but the Bonnies don't play very good perimeter defense and they have very little inside game.....take it to them inside like we did last night and this should be a win.

We are also due to make a better percentage of our 3's....we have stunk out the joint the last 2 games at that.
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