Week #13 - Games of Interest

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

Today's release of both the AP Top 25 Poll and the USA Today Poll once again finds no A-10 teams in the rankings. VCU gets 3 votes in the AP poll.

After a home loss to NC State and an unimpressive win over Wake Forest, Duke falls four notches to #21 in both polls. On the strength of its wins over Xavier and Temple,Cincinnati moves up to #14 in both polls. No other URI OOC opponents are in the rankings or getting votes.

Gonzaga with a gaudy 22-0 record is now the #1 team in both polls. While the Zags have some nice wins over Arizona and Florida, they have had no real road tests, but that will change when they play at BYU this week and at St. Mary's the following week. Both games will be on ESPN2.

The cumulative won-lost record of URI OOC opponents now stands at 151-100, a winning percentage of .602, a slight uptick from previous week.

With this week's loss at Richmond and a home win versus St. Bonaventure, the URI standing in three key rating systems worsened slightly.

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             Week #10  Week #11  Week #12  Week #13

RPI*             41	   49	     47	       47
Sagarin          38        53	     49	       55
Pomeroy          35        49	     46	       48

*live-rpi.com

No A-10 action on Monday evening.

Games involving URI OOC opponents:

#17 Duke at #14 Notre Dame. 7 PM. On ESPN.

Monmouth at Marist. 7 PM.

Drexel at William & Mary. 7 PM.

SIU-Edwardsville at Belmont. 9 PM. On CBSSN.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

I stopped posting bubble games at the end of last week because I assumed we weren't on the bubble after the Richmond loss. However, Joe Lunardi has us as the 5th team out, so I'll keep going for now. Bubble teams are 20-16 in games I've tracked.

The only bubble game tonight is the Bedlam Series with last 4 in Oklahoma State at Oklahoma at 9 on ESPN

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 7 years ago

Right. We are no where out of at-large contention.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

ATPTourFan wrote:Right. We are no where out of at-large contention.

You mean the season isn't over?

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

In tonight's results:

#21 Duke in a nice road win over #20 Notre Dame, 84-74. It was a foul filled game and the Blue Devils led for most of the way, but Notre Dame put together a 12-0 run to cut Duke's lead to one with 6 minutes left, but Duke responed quickly on the efforts of Grayson Allen who put in a three pointer and then a jumper from the top of the key. Duke showed poise on the road by hitting on 23-24 FT's.

Metro Atlantic leader Monmouth wins at Marist, 83-71. Marist led in the early going holding a 7 point half time advantage, but early in second half, Monmouth pulled in front and steadily expanded the lead to game's end.

William & Mary surged in second half to rout Drexel, 108-85.

Belmont is on their way to keeping their OVC record spotless as they lead SIU-Edwardsville, 43-29 at halftime.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 7 years ago

Congrats to Cinci ranking 14 AP

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

Xavier, losers of four of their last six games, was dealt another blow in their Sunday night 82-77 win over St. John's at MSG, when their starting point guard, Edmond Sumner, tore his ACL in his left knee with six minutes left in game. Creighton is another BE team that has lost their point guard. Sad situations and one we are all too familiar with.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

Tuesday night sees action only in three A-10 games.

Besides, George Washington at URI. 7 PM. On CBSSN.

Also:

Davidson at St. Joseph's. 8 PM.

Dayton at Fordham. 9 PM. On CBSSN.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

The only bubble game last night was the Bedlam Series with last 4 in Oklahoma State winning at Oklahoma 68-66.

Bubble teams are 21-16 in games I've tracked.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

In tonight's bubble games:

Last four in Wake Forest is at Boston College at 7 on ESPNU
Next four out Georgia is at #8 Kentucky at 9 on ESPN

josephski · Unread post by **josephski** » 7 years ago

Wake Forest is a good example of how dumb RPI rankings are sometimes. Currently 29th with a 12-9 record and 0-8 against top 50 rpi teams. Sure they've avoided any bad losses but how can you have a system that ranks them 29th when they've missed every opportunity to beat a top 50 team.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

josephski wrote:Wake Forest is a good example of how dumb RPI rankings are sometimes. Currently 29th with a 12-9 record and 0-8 against top 50 rpi teams. Sure they've avoided any bad losses but how can you have a system that ranks them 29th when they've missed every opportunity to beat a top 50 team.

It's not just RPI, look at Lunardi's latest picks for the NCAA's:

10 Teams from the ACC including Wake Forest and Clemson:
Seed - Team
2-North Carolina
2-Louisville
3-Florida State
4-Virginia
5-Duke
5-Notre Dame
8-Virginia Tech
10-Miami
10-Clemson
11-Wake Forest

A10 Teams from Lunardi:
9-Dayton
10-VCU
14-Richmond

No way should the ACC have 10 of 15 teams in the NCAA with 9 being committee selections. But you will never, ever hear any head coach from the ACC, Big 10, Big East, etc denying this, they think their league deserve more

Good think the Committee doesn't read our board. Most here thing the A10 only deserves 1 bid, maybe 2. Most think this is a down year for the A10, some saying the league is way down.

In my opinion the P5 leagues are way over represented. They play the vast majority of their OOC games on their home courts so they rack up great OOC won-lost records before conference play starts.

Also on our board we don't give much credence to the win over Cincinnati, despite their estimated RPI of about 12, thinking that win was more of a fluke.

The A10 Head Coaches need to be promoting the league as strong as possible to try to offset the other League self promotions. John Chaney was always pumping the A10 to anyone who would listen back in the day.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 7 years ago

ramster wrote:
The A10 Head Coaches need to be promoting the league as strong as possible to try to offset the other League self promotions. John Chaney was always pumping the A10 to anyone who would listen back in the day.

Yep.....we don't hear enough of this.

A10 is a rock fight this year.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

You could say the Big East is a rock fight, the ACC is a rock fight..................

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 7 years ago

ramster wrote:
Good think the Committee doesn't read our board. Most here thing the A10 only deserves 1 bid, maybe 2. Most think this is a down year for the A10, some saying the league is way down.

In my opinion the P5 leagues are way over represented. They play the vast majority of their OOC games on their home courts so they rack up great OOC won-lost records before conference play starts.

Also on our board we don't give much credence to the win over Cincinnati, despite their estimated RPI of about 12, thinking that win was more of a fluke.

The A10 Head Coaches need to be promoting the league as strong as possible to try to offset the other League self promotions. John Chaney was always pumping the A10 to anyone who would listen back in the day.

Ramster, you are so biased, it's not even funny.
The Top 8 teams in the ACC, the teams that bracketmatrix aggregates into the field, they went 31-12 against Top 100 teams OOC. The Top 3 of the A10, by comparison, were 10-10.
You say they beat up on competition at home.
Partially true ....
But let's look at some good wins for those teams ...
Wichita St., Indiana, Oklahoma St., Wisconsin, California, URI, Florida, and South Carolina, those were all ~Top 50 wins that occurred on neutral/road courts for those teams.
The rest of the conference produced ~Top 50 road/neutral wins like Marquette, Maryland, and VCU.
The A10, they produced 1 such win, you all know who it was, URI vs. Cincinnati at Mohegan.
That's it. For all of those tougher games they have to play on the road, because P5 teams just bash opponents at home, they produced 1 road/neutral ~Top 50 (which I took any team in the Top 60) ... Loss after loss after loss after loss.
So you can get on your soap box, cry about how there is a bias against the A10, that the media favors the ACC, the Big 10, etc., but the reality is if you perform in the OOC, if you beat the good teams on your schedule, you'll get the respect that you think you deserve.
And if you fall flat on your face, like the A10 largely did OOC, and you play in a conference where maybe 6 out of 14 teams will have Top 100 RPI's, people will look to dismiss you, as they have.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 7 years ago

rjsuperfly66 wrote:
ramster wrote:
Good think the Committee doesn't read our board. Most here thing the A10 only deserves 1 bid, maybe 2. Most think this is a down year for the A10, some saying the league is way down.

In my opinion the P5 leagues are way over represented. They play the vast majority of their OOC games on their home courts so they rack up great OOC won-lost records before conference play starts.

Also on our board we don't give much credence to the win over Cincinnati, despite their estimated RPI of about 12, thinking that win was more of a fluke.

The A10 Head Coaches need to be promoting the league as strong as possible to try to offset the other League self promotions. John Chaney was always pumping the A10 to anyone who would listen back in the day.
Ramster, you are so biased, it's not even funny.
The Top 8 teams in the ACC, the teams that bracketmatrix aggregates into the field, they went 31-12 against Top 100 teams OOC. The Top 3 of the A10, by comparison, were 10-10.
You say they beat up on competition at home.
Partially true ....
But let's look at some good wins for those teams ...
Wichita St., Indiana, Oklahoma St., Wisconsin, California, URI, Florida, and South Carolina, those were all ~Top 50 wins that occurred on neutral/road courts for those teams.
The rest of the conference produced ~Top 50 road/neutral wins like Marquette, Maryland, and VCU.
The A10, they produced 1 such win, you all know who it was, URI vs. Cincinnati at Mohegan.
That's it. For all of those tougher games they have to play on the road, because P5 teams just bash opponents at home, they produced 1 road/neutral ~Top 50 (which I took any team in the Top 60) ... Loss after loss after loss after loss.
So you can get on your soap box, cry about how there is a bias against the A10, that the media favors the ACC, the Big 10, etc., but the reality is if you perform in the OOC, if you beat the good teams on your schedule, you'll get the respect that you think you deserve.
And if you fall flat on your face, like the A10 largely did OOC, and you play in a conference where maybe 6 out of 14 teams will have Top 100 RPI's, people will look to dismiss you, as they have.

Please, clearly no one is talking about the top of the P5 conferences when talking about the bias.

The bias is the talk that teams 9, 10, 11 in the ACC are tourney teams. That is crap and you know it.

The idea that a 12-9 team that is 0-8 vs top 50 is even sniffing the bubble is laughable

No team that is sub 500 in conference play is a tournament team.

UCH21377 · Unread post by **UCH21377** » 7 years ago

Wake would probably kick out ass but you need to draw the line somewhere. 11th in a 16 team conference should not get you in

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
rjsuperfly66 wrote:
ramster wrote:
Good think the Committee doesn't read our board. Most here thing the A10 only deserves 1 bid, maybe 2. Most think this is a down year for the A10, some saying the league is way down.

In my opinion the P5 leagues are way over represented. They play the vast majority of their OOC games on their home courts so they rack up great OOC won-lost records before conference play starts.

Also on our board we don't give much credence to the win over Cincinnati, despite their estimated RPI of about 12, thinking that win was more of a fluke.

The A10 Head Coaches need to be promoting the league as strong as possible to try to offset the other League self promotions. John Chaney was always pumping the A10 to anyone who would listen back in the day.
Ramster, you are so biased, it's not even funny.
The Top 8 teams in the ACC, the teams that bracketmatrix aggregates into the field, they went 31-12 against Top 100 teams OOC. The Top 3 of the A10, by comparison, were 10-10.
You say they beat up on competition at home.
Partially true ....
But let's look at some good wins for those teams ...
Wichita St., Indiana, Oklahoma St., Wisconsin, California, URI, Florida, and South Carolina, those were all ~Top 50 wins that occurred on neutral/road courts for those teams.
The rest of the conference produced ~Top 50 road/neutral wins like Marquette, Maryland, and VCU.
The A10, they produced 1 such win, you all know who it was, URI vs. Cincinnati at Mohegan.
That's it. For all of those tougher games they have to play on the road, because P5 teams just bash opponents at home, they produced 1 road/neutral ~Top 50 (which I took any team in the Top 60) ... Loss after loss after loss after loss.
So you can get on your soap box, cry about how there is a bias against the A10, that the media favors the ACC, the Big 10, etc., but the reality is if you perform in the OOC, if you beat the good teams on your schedule, you'll get the respect that you think you deserve.
And if you fall flat on your face, like the A10 largely did OOC, and you play in a conference where maybe 6 out of 14 teams will have Top 100 RPI's, people will look to dismiss you, as they have.

Please, clearly no one is talking about the top of the P5 conferences when talking about the bias.

The bias is the talk that teams 9, 10, 11 in the ACC are tourney teams. That is crap and you know it.

The idea that a 12-9 team that is 0-8 vs top 50 is even sniffing the bubble is laughable

No team that is sub 500 in conference play is a tournament team.

You are exactly right survivor,
RJ,
You don't need to be so condescending and insulting when you don't even try to understand the issue subject being discussed.
The subject is teams like Wake Forest and Clemson being picked for the NCAA. No idea why you are throwing out the records of the top teams in the ACC. Talk about the performances off Wake Forest and Clemson - that would be applicable to the discussion at hand. Look at their Records against Top 25, Top 26-50, Top 51-100.
In fact I don't even see how Lunardi has Clemson and Wake Forest in ahead of Georgia Tech at this point - doesn't even make sense with in the ACC itself.
Again RJ, understand the discussion, read the comments, as Survivor did, before trashing me. also, take a look at the expected RPIs formClemson and Wake Forest and then tell me I'm "so biased it's not even funny" do your homework, your looking stupid on this one.
Here's the info since you failed to research the applicable data:
Clemson 2-6 in conference. Projected by RPI live to finish 8-10. 2-6 vs Top 25
Wake Forest 3-6 in conference. Projected to finish 7-11 in conference. O-8 vs Top 25. 0-8!!!!!! The bias is not with me. Facts speak for themselves. It's a joke to have sub .500 teams in the NCAA tournament. But Danny Manning is a darling of the NCAA - how's that for bias?

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 7 years ago

Um, Wake Forest has an ER of 44, a KenPom of 36, and a Sagarin of 41.
I'm not endorsing Wake Forest as a tournament team, at this point, but they aren't far off if they can pull off some key wins down the stretch.
Bracketmatrix has Wake Forest as 5th out, so I think they would agree, and we aren't just looking at one person's bracket as a metric.
The problem with your logic, Ramster, is that both Wake and Clemson will finish the season with Top 10 schedules. Both will play several difficult games. And if they can win those games, combined with a mediocre bubble, they can make some noise. And if they lose those games, as many would expect, then we know for sure their metrics are as hollow as they seem today.
That's the only reason those teams can even still sniff around the bubble.
And, its a reason to be scared about the moving towards more strength metrics, and away from results-based metrics.
Furthermore, I too would agree that you should have to go .500 in conference, including tournament games, but there should be no restriction on number of teams, especially if you are in a f'in insane conference where 14 of your 15 teams could have Top 100 RPI's.
That's the difference between the ACC, and many other conferences.

And the only place I think you have bias Ramster, is trying to defend the performance of the A10 to date. It has not been good, and should not be defended as such. It is likely a 2 bid conference this year, and that's exactly what it deserves at this point. You are calling out other URI fans for having a realistic approach to the state of the conference in your OP, and that is what I was calling out.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

Clemson is 2-6 in ACC and Wake is now 4-6 having squeaked by Boston College tonight. You can say they might win more before the season is finished but Lunardi has Clemson and Wake in the NCAA Now!! He has Clemson as a 10-seed and Wake Forest as a 11-seed.
Those are Lunardi picks with those weak ACC records.
10 out of 15 teams in the NCAA is too many when the last two in are not just below .500 but well below.

Facts. If you want to call that rediculously biased then that's your perogative.

A10 will struggle to get 3 teams in. But the issue on the table was and still is Wake and Clemson in the dance with bad records. Your facts do not convince me that either of those teams belong in.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 7 years ago

ramster wrote:Clemson is 2-6 in ACC and Wake is now 4-6 having squeaked by Boston College tonight. You can say they might win more before the season is finished but Lunardi has Clemson and Wake in the NCAA Now!! He has Clemson as a 10-seed and Wake Forest as a 11-seed.
Those are Lunardi picks with those weak ACC records.
10 out of 15 teams in the NCAA is too many when the last two in are not just below .500 but well below.

Facts. If you want to call that rediculously biased then that's your perogative.

A10 will struggle to get 3 teams in. But the issue on the table was and still is Wake and Clemson in the dance with bad records. Your facts do not convince me that either of those teams belong in.

The problem is you are looking at just one guy, use BracketMatrix is you want any gauge of what the consensus of the bracket makers thing, rather than one guy whose not even the best at what he does... In the aggregate, just 25 of 84 brackets have Wake Forest included ... Clemson is in 64 of 84. I think part of the reason why, the bubble, it's very very weak this year.

If you go through their 10-seeds through anyone in multiple brackets, there are huge holes in every one's resumes ... K-State, G-Tech, Michigan St., Clemson, Miami, Oklahoma St., Seton Hall, TCU, Michigan, Wichita St., California, Texas Tech, Tennessee, Wake Forest, Utah, NC St., Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Alabama, Houston, Illinois, Ohio St., Georgia, URI. The reality is that at this point, those 24 teams are fighting for 9 spots, and there don't seem to be many of those spots where teams should be feeling good.

Rhody Dude · Unread post by **Rhody Dude** » 7 years ago

Fordham closed out the second half on a 9-0 run and is now tied with dayton

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

Our problem with that group is that most of them are P5 schools...everything else being close to equal means we get the short end of the stick.

We have to separate ourselves from most of that group....which means we have to be close to perfect the rest of the way due to so many missed opportunities earlier.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

Fordham is a pain in the ass at home....they beat VCU there......good thing we aren't playing them there this season.

BTW, Aldredge of Davidson had a HUGE game tonight......we have to limit him somehow.

He can't be allowed to be Alex Peters or we're screwed......

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

rjsuperfly66 wrote:
ramster wrote:Clemson is 2-6 in ACC and Wake is now 4-6 having squeaked by Boston College tonight. You can say they might win more before the season is finished but Lunardi has Clemson and Wake in the NCAA Now!! He has Clemson as a 10-seed and Wake Forest as a 11-seed.
Those are Lunardi picks with those weak ACC records.
10 out of 15 teams in the NCAA is too many when the last two in are not just below .500 but well below.

Facts. If you want to call that rediculously biased then that's your perogative.

A10 will struggle to get 3 teams in. But the issue on the table was and still is Wake and Clemson in the dance with bad records. Your facts do not convince me that either of those teams belong in.
The problem is you are looking at just one guy, use BracketMatrix is you want any gauge of what the consensus of the bracket makers thing, rather than one guy whose not even the best at what he does... In the aggregate, just 25 of 84 brackets have Wake Forest included ... Clemson is in 64 of 84. I think part of the reason why, the bubble, it's very very weak this year.

If you go through their 10-seeds through anyone in multiple brackets, there are huge holes in every one's resumes ... K-State, G-Tech, Michigan St., Clemson, Miami, Oklahoma St., Seton Hall, TCU, Michigan, Wichita St., California, Texas Tech, Tennessee, Wake Forest, Utah, NC St., Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Alabama, Houston, Illinois, Ohio St., Georgia, URI. The reality is that at this point, those 24 teams are fighting for 9 spots, and there don't seem to be many of those spots where teams should be feeling good.

I like the idea of bracket matrix, but I hate the execution. Going by the wisdom of the crowd only works when the crowd has wisdom. That site lets anyone submit a bracket and doesn't get rid of people that aren't good year after year at predicting the bracket. I just don't view that site as a good reference.

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 7 years ago

Aldridge could be a Alec Peters type of mismatch for us.
Don't think he's as good as Peters, but like with cavanaugh, these stretch fours have hurt us a lot.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

Dayton held off pesky Fordham to win at Rose Hill, 75-66. The contest was nip and tuck most of the way and with Fordham clinging to a one point lead with 5+ minutes left in game, Scoochie Smith stole the ball and assisted on a lay-up which gave the Flyers the lead they would not lose as they went on a 14-6 run to close out game.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

Wednesday night action in the A-10:

George Mason at Saint Louis. 7 PM.

UMass at La Salle. 7 PM.

Richmond at VCU. 7 PM. On CBSSN.

St. Bonaventure at Duquesne. 8 PM.

Games involving URI OOC opponents:

Central Florida at Houston. 7 PM. On ESPNU.

Colgate at Holy Cross. 7 PM.

Villanova at PC. 7 PM. On FS1.

#14 Cincinnati at Tulsa. 9 PM. On CBSSN.

rhodysurf · Unread post by **rhodysurf** » 7 years ago

We want VCU over Richmond right?

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 7 years ago

rhodysurf wrote:We want VCU over Richmond right?

yup, still can get a W over VCU and need Richmond to get knocked down the board.

this is a 3 bid year, and need the 3 to be Dayton, VCU, us.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

VCU will show that they're the best team in the league now. They will blow Richmond out tonight.

Rhody Guy · Unread post by **Rhody Guy** » 7 years ago

Hopefully we consider doubling those talented bigs that we struggle with and aren't too stubborn. It has actually worked when we go to it this year.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

In last night's bubble games:

Last four in Wake Forest won at Boston College 85-80
Next four out Georgia loses another heartbreaker, this time at #8 Kentucky 90-81 in OT. Georgia was up 2 with with 22 seconds left.

Bubble teams are now 22-17 in games I've tracked.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

Very busy night on the bubble including two games where bubble teams play each other:

Last 4 bye Kansas State vs. last 4 in TCU at 7:30 on ESPNN
Last 4 bye VCU vs. Richmond at 7 on CBSSN
Last 4 bye Miami vs. #15 Florida State at 8
Last 4 bye Clemson vs. next 4 out Georgia Tech at 7
First 4 out Wichita State at Drake at 7
First 4 out Seton Hall at Xavier at 9 on FS1
First 4 out Texas Tech at Texas at 9 on ESPNU

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

rjsuperfly66 wrote:
ramster wrote:Clemson is 2-6 in ACC and Wake is now 4-6 having squeaked by Boston College tonight. You can say they might win more before the season is finished but Lunardi has Clemson and Wake in the NCAA Now!! He has Clemson as a 10-seed and Wake Forest as a 11-seed.
Those are Lunardi picks with those weak ACC records.
10 out of 15 teams in the NCAA is too many when the last two in are not just below .500 but well below.

Facts. If you want to call that rediculously biased then that's your perogative.

A10 will struggle to get 3 teams in. But the issue on the table was and still is Wake and Clemson in the dance with bad records. Your facts do not convince me that either of those teams belong in.
The problem is you are looking at just one guy, use BracketMatrix is you want any gauge of what the consensus of the bracket makers thing, rather than one guy whose not even the best at what he does... In the aggregate, just 25 of 84 brackets have Wake Forest included ... Clemson is in 64 of 84. I think part of the reason why, the bubble, it's very very weak this year.

If you go through their 10-seeds through anyone in multiple brackets, there are huge holes in every one's resumes ... K-State, G-Tech, Michigan St., Clemson, Miami, Oklahoma St., Seton Hall, TCU, Michigan, Wichita St., California, Texas Tech, Tennessee, Wake Forest, Utah, NC St., Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Alabama, Houston, Illinois, Ohio St., Georgia, URI. The reality is that at this point, those 24 teams are fighting for 9 spots, and there don't seem to be many of those spots where teams should be feeling good.

RJ,
OK, I went to your Bracket Matrix suggestion as you say this is much more reliable than just using the one Lunardi Bracket but the results are pretty much the same. There are also 10 ACC Teams in the NCAA Tournament, just the same as with Lunardi.
2- Louisville
2- North Carolina
3- Virginia
3- Florida State
5- Duke
6- Notre Dame
8- Virginia Tech
10- Georgia Tech
10- Clemson
11- Miami
Bracket Matrix has in the 2nd "last 4 teams out" 2 more ACC Teams in Wake Forest and NC State
So not only does the ACC have 10 of 15 teams IN the NCAA, they have 2 more that could be in to make 12 of 15 from the ACC dancing
After the 2nd 4 out, Bracket Matrix has the next team as Pittsburgh with a record of 12-10 and (1-8) in ACC play - good for last place
Pittsburgh lost to lowly Duquesne ON THEIR HOME COURT 64-55
Pittsburgh lost on their HOME court to Louisville by 55 points (106-51)
Pittsburgh lost on their HOME court to Miami by 26 points (72-46)

Providence College is 5th after the "2nd last 4 out) and URI is 8th after the "2nd last 4 out". Richmond is 11th after the "2nd last 4 out".

Syracuse and Boston College are not listed to round out the 15 team ACC Conference.

As I have said, I think these teams like Wake Forest, NC State, Pittsburgh are over rated at this point in time. Mid Majors are slighted in my opinion. I see no way that this is being "ridiculously biased". My guess is the A10 gets only 2 teams in the NCAA. Much depends on the next few weeks and the A10 Tournament. I feel bad for some teams that will sit home while 10,11 or 12 ACC Teams dance. And these are ACC teams that will never set foot in the Ryan Center.
Many years ago the NCAA used to reward teams for going on the road to play teams like URI did in Houston, Valparaiso, Providence College, Nebraska, Belmont, etc. But no longer. ACC teams play the vast majority of their OOC Games on their home courts with no penalty from the NCAA, no incentive to go out and challenge themselves, not like it used to be.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 7 years ago

One thing about BM... There is a formula involved in there, where sometimes average seeding can exceed number of brackets a team is in ... I think there is a little bit of extrapolation there, which I am fine with ... But the reason I point out BM, is because they do rank every person on an annual basis, and of people who have done it 5 or more years, Lunardi ranks 22 out of 88, which is very good, but not great. Some people treat him like the end all, as they do with anyone on a major network, but sometimes these guys are far from the best.

The problem is, you don't like Clemson and Georgia Tech, you think there is a pro-ACC bias towards them, and I think you are somewhat right. But Clemson is 4-6 in A games (again on KenPom because it's easier for me), and 3-2 in B games. So do you wipe out the fact that they went 6-2 in Top 100 games OOC, because they've struggled in ACC play to date? If they keep struggling, they will fall, but I think Clemson is still where they are, because of their OOC, and the fact they haven't really lost to anyone bad. And Georgia Tech, they are 5-5 in A games, and 1-2 in B games, which again is pretty good. They do have one borderline bad loss, but all of these teams, Clemson, Wake, G-Tech, they will have chances at huge wins and I think that's the only reason they even stick around.

All of those teams, they've all played tough schedules and won tough games (outside of Wake). They deserve credit for that, credit that shouldn't be eliminated just because they've had sluggish starts in conference play. If it continues, then yes, I agree.

As for the fans you feel are slighted, I'd rather have more ACC teams than A10 teams, if they prove they can beat top teams ... Should URI get an invite over one of the above programs (Clemson, Wake, or G-Tech)? Or is the argument simply, "If you beat the good teams on yoru schedule, maybe you wouldn't be fighting the system as much?" In the same games I listed above, URI is 1-4 in A games, and 0-2 in B games. So they are 1-6 total, where Clemson was 7-8 and G-Tech was 6-7. So in that case, would I rather a bottom-half ACC team, or another A10 team? You tell me... I want the best teams. I don't care if every ACC team makes it, if they are the best teams left.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

No, actually I think Georgia Tech is ok for the Tournament at this point in time, they have had a strong past two weeks.
Clemson is shaky
But no way Wake Forest should be in as Lunardi has them.
NC State should not be in at this point and for Pittsburgh to be ahead of Providence OR URI is totally absurd. That's my point.

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 7 years ago

How bout him having TCU in right now?
Their best win is Iowa State, followed by Illinois state with a losing record in conference.

I expect these Wake forest TCU type teams to play their way out. They're gonna rack up some losses.

rhodysurf · Unread post by **rhodysurf** » 7 years ago

Ramster mid majors are WAY down this year. Think of it this way. Of the two A10 teams leading the at large conversation Dayton's best win is URI, and Dayton is VCU's best win. Those arent good resumes.

Usually I would agree, but this year there really isnt an argument. Although I get where the frustration comes in with the under 500 records. If PC makes the tournament with an 8-10 BE record I'll explode.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 7 years ago

rhodysurf wrote:Ramster mid majors are WAY down this year. Think of it this way. Of the two A10 teams leading the at large conversation Dayton's best win is URI, and Dayton is VCU's best win. Those arent good resumes.

Usually I would agree, but this year there really isnt an argument. Although I get where the frustration comes in with the under 500 records. If PC makes the tournament with an 8-10 BE record I'll explode.

I think it depends on overall resume ... If you look just at conference record you eliminate the whole OOC .... And you're also failing to recognize the strength of a conference at the same time ... Now I did look and in 2011 when the Big East got 11 teams in, and 3 of those teams, they finished with 9-9 conference records, but here's your argument destroyer ... In 2011, UCONN finished 9-9, but won the Big East tournament and got a 3 seed ... Regardless of the BET, they probably would have gotten a decent seed (no worse than a 8), they went undefeated OOC which included a road win at KenPom #5 Texas and a neutral win at KenPom #7 Kentucky. They also beat Wichita St. and Michigan St as Top 50 opponents on a neutral court, and a Top 75 Harvard at home. That UCONN team also went on to win a National Championship ... So according to some here, if they finished 8-10 in conference, maybe only won a game or two in the BET, they should be automatically disqualified from the NCAA Tournament because of a sub .500 conference record? I don't agree with that, at all. It needs to be about the entire resume. Now obviously it does not appear like there is an underperforming UCONN near the bubble this year, but the fact still remains, if you want to make the tournament, win the games on your schedule. The less games you win, the more the committee is going to consider teams who play tough schedules but fail to often capitalize on those opportunities.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

PC could go 33-0 and I'd puke if I heard their name on selection Sunday.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 7 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:PC could go 33-0 and I'd puke if I heard their name on selection Sunday.

My favorite team?

Who ever is playing PC.....

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

interesting view of the qualifications of the 10 members of the selection committee

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketba ... -makeover/

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 7 years ago

rjsuperfly66 wrote:
rhodysurf wrote:Ramster mid majors are WAY down this year. Think of it this way. Of the two A10 teams leading the at large conversation Dayton's best win is URI, and Dayton is VCU's best win. Those arent good resumes.

Usually I would agree, but this year there really isnt an argument. Although I get where the frustration comes in with the under 500 records. If PC makes the tournament with an 8-10 BE record I'll explode.
I think it depends on overall resume ... If you look just at conference record you eliminate the whole OOC .... And you're also failing to recognize the strength of a conference at the same time ... Now I did look and in 2011 when the Big East got 11 teams in, and 3 of those teams, they finished with 9-9 conference records, but here's your argument destroyer ... In 2011, UCONN finished 9-9, but won the Big East tournament and got a 3 seed ... Regardless of the BET, they probably would have gotten a decent seed (no worse than a 8), they went undefeated OOC which included a road win at KenPom #5 Texas and a neutral win at KenPom #7 Kentucky. They also beat Wichita St. and Michigan St as Top 50 opponents on a neutral court, and a Top 75 Harvard at home. That UCONN team also went on to win a National Championship ... So according to some here, if they finished 8-10 in conference, maybe only won a game or two in the BET, they should be automatically disqualified from the NCAA Tournament because of a sub .500 conference record? I don't agree with that, at all. It needs to be about the entire resume. Now obviously it does not appear like there is an underperforming UCONN near the bubble this year, but the fact still remains, if you want to make the tournament, win the games on your schedule. The less games you win, the more the committee is going to consider teams who play tough schedules but fail to often capitalize on those opportunities.

Keep an eye on...the 'cuse

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

In a close game throughout, VCU was able to get separation from Richmond in the last 7 minutes of game town, 81-74. The Spiders stayed in this game because of a sterling 30 point contribution from ShawnDre' Jones on 11-19 FG and 4-6 on 3-pointers. This was Jones' second straight game in which he scored 30 points. Jones put up 18 points versus URI last week.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

Despite the absence of Pookie Powell, La Salle rallied to beat UMass, 88-78. The top scorer was Syracuse transfer, B.J. Johnson who put in 28 points for the Explorers on 4 of 5 three pointers and 10 for 10 from the free throw line.

Rhody74 · Unread post by **Rhody74** » 7 years ago

Glad we have VCU at home. It will still be tough.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

In a game that went into double overtime, Saint Louis prevailed over George Mason, 76-74, to give the Billikens a sweep of their home and home series.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

In OOC games:

#4 Villanova beats PC, 66-57. Good news!

Holy Cross over Cogate, 56-50.

Houston beats UCF, 82-64.

Late In first half, #14 Cincinnati is struggling in its game at Tulsa, 25-20

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 7 years ago

In the last A-10 game this evening to finish, St. Bonaventure beat Duquesne, 71-64.

After tonight's results, the A-10 standings find Dayton and VCU tied for first place. Richmond holds the third position and URI, La Salle and the Bonnies are tied for fourth. While it would have been better if La Salle and St. Bonaventure had lost tonight, the fact is the Rams future is in their hands as it should be. We can't ask for anything more as the Rams head into the big game with Davidson Friday evening. GO RHODY!

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