Week #13 - Games of Interest

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It was the Bona bench that earned the tech - not the fans

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Still ridiculously stupid. Just get them off the court and finish the game.
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Obadiah wrote:All good rules have exceptions, but to know when to apply an exception requires intelligence and sense of perspective. The refs in Olean showed neither.

Also, this situation brings to mind the first game in the Ryan Center when the Rams beat USC 73-71 in OT on a Dustin Hellenga jumper with 2.2 seconds left in the game. Hellenga was mobbed by his teammates in celebration while USC inbounded the ball and put in a three which seemingly gave the Trojans the win, but the subsequent review showed that the USC shot was released after time expired. Henry Bibby, USC coach at the time, went ballistic, not in objecting to the review results, but argued that URI should have been issued a technical foul for the on court celebration.
Maybe Rhody should have lost that game, but because we were granted it unfairly we suffer a curse of NO NCAA BIDS.
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Maybe the rule should be..."no one on the court to interrupt or interfere with the game...unless....enforcing the rule could have an impact on the outcome...then, it's ok."
Fact is they don't enforce this rule, they clear the court. So your theory of only enforcing for certain situations is already in place. That's the problem. Have it, enforce it, or don't. Or you could build a wall around the court but then who would pay for it?????
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It takes a minimum of .7 seconds to open catch and shot and refs know this. It was one of the reasons for going with decimal points on clocks. The .4 seconds would have meant a full court pass and a tip to the basket. This game was over. Could not have been inbounded and shot. Bonnie's Coach has to take the blame for this. Glad it wasn't a Hurley blunder :lol: :lol:
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ramster wrote:It takes a minimum of .7 seconds to open catch and shot and refs know this. It was one of the reasons for going with decimal points on clocks. The .4 seconds would have meant a full court pass and a tip to the basket. This game was over. Could not have been inbounded and shot. Bonnie's Coach has to take the blame for this. Glad it wasn't a Hurley blunder :lol: :lol:
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Elsewhere in A-10:

La Salle is soundly beaten at George Mason, 95-75.

Fordham is a 2OT winner at St. Joseph's, 86-83.

With both the Bonnies and La Salle losing, URI is now is sole possession of 4th place in the conference.
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Maybe the rule should be..."no one on the court to interrupt or interfere with the game...unless....enforcing the rule could have an impact on the outcome...then, it's ok."
Fact is they don't enforce this rule, they clear the court. So your theory of only enforcing for certain situations is already in place. That's the problem. Have it, enforce it, or don't. Or you could build a wall around the court but then who would pay for it?????
Selectively enforced rules lead to chaos. You can't really say they 'don't (ever) enforce the rule'...we saw it happen today...If you're saying an official has discretion as to whether a rule is to be 'enforced or not'...can't really complain about how the official handles, it's to his discretion. If it's a rule, enforce it, or make it not a rule...the idea that "it's not usually enforced", doesn't make it "not a rule"...
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part of the rule is play continuing when this is happening, i.e. vcu inbounding the ball which did occur.

to me it was the correct call, between the bench and some of the fans on the court
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Refs shouldn't be able to change the result of a game because they don't like that uppity college students dared to show some emotion and didn't realize there was still time on the clock.

A team shouldn't be able to kill the game by storming on the court to intentionally impede the other team, but in a situation like that the only fair thing to do is clear the court, put the time back on the clock, and restart the game. Arbitrarily changing the result shouldn't fit into anyone's definition of fairness, which is the point of having rules.
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Hopefully the Bona AD is on the phone now with the NCAA rules committee......and filing a protest with the A10.

Unacceptable.

VCU should be embarrassed.
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I was sitting in the front row of the student section for the Nebraska game when we rushed and the RC staff must have said over 100 times "Do not rush until you see zeros on the clock and hear the buzzer go off or else it will be a technical" We were well aware of when and when not to storm and the implications of running out early. Should have been the same for Bonnies fans..Besides, storming for a team that is a bubble team that lost to Fordham isn't really rush-the-court material.
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ramster wrote:Essentially the game was over since VCU could not get a shot off in .4 seconds anyway.
But horrible way to lose after hitting that great 3 point shot.
A shame to lose that way. CANT blame the students because all the players thought it was over too. Clear the floor and let VCU throw it in. Fairness was not in the ruling here.
You do know that after the made free throw, VCU still had to inbound the ball? Not only did they get a shot off legitimately with 0.4 seconds left - but the ball hit the back inside of the rim and almost was a game winner.

I don't get why you think no shot can be gotten off with 0.4 seconds when it literally occurred in the game.
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hrstrat57 wrote:Hopefully the Bona AD is on the phone now with the NCAA rules committee......and filing a protest with the A10.

Unacceptable.

VCU should be embarrassed.
Not quite sure of the vitriol against VCU and the "embarassment" you speak of. One of the more mind-boggling comments I've seen on this board. They didn't make the Bonnies bench and fans run on the court, did they? The team finished the game how it was officiated, and still had to win on the road in OT. Sure, they got away with one, but what embarassment?

To Rhody Dude's point, I thought it was a weak court storming in the first place. Non-ranked team that is also fighting for a bid (albeit on the right side of the bubble) just like we are. But, to each their own.
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The Bonnie fans are SALTY on the A10 board. I think it was the right call if only because the entire SBU team was on the floor as VCU goes to inbounds it. The crowd actually looks like they wait until 0. If anything you can justify a tech for having too many players on the court, or a coaching box violation.

The issue is the A10 offical statemenr said it was about the crowd though, which murkies the waters even more.
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Gopher+RamFan wrote:
ramster wrote:Essentially the game was over since VCU could not get a shot off in .4 seconds anyway.
But horrible way to lose after hitting that great 3 point shot.
A shame to lose that way. CANT blame the students because all the players thought it was over too. Clear the floor and let VCU throw it in. Fairness was not in the ruling here.
You do know that after the made free throw, VCU still had to inbound the ball? Not only did they get a shot off legitimately with 0.4 seconds left - but the ball hit the back inside of the rim and almost was a game winner.

I don't get why you think no shot can be gotten off with 0.4 seconds when it literally occurred in the game.
Fine, I will withdraw my comment about the time remaining and whether a shot could or not be gotten off. I was wrong.

I will say the time then is not a factor, which it isn't. Whether there were 3 seconds left, 8 seconds left, or .000000001 seconds left, it should not matter. What does matter to me is if fans or players or both go on the court before the game is over then this should be enforced 100% of the time. It should not matter if either team is up 1 point of 50 points, a technical foul should be called, should not be arbitrary.

I don't agree with this, I think they should clear the court and continue the game. I was at the USC Game at the Ryan Center when we did not get penalized. I have seen many games in basketball and football where they just bring the teams back on the court after cleared.

But rule is the rule, so enforce all the time not once every 15 years.
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How about Celts/Suns 1976 game 5?
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......maybe basketball should go back to cages....?
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Just so everyone is clear. The Bona bench broke the rule by going on the court before the clock expired. Fans only went in a second wave following 0.0 and red lights on the backboard. This is on the bench for not keepin their shit together.
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After looking at the videos it's clear that the blame should be on the bench......the A10 is blaming the students...wrong.
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I blame the refs. The players going on the court didn't do anything to impact the game that couldn't have been corrected simply by clearing the court and putting the time back on the clock. They didn't need to take the game away from one team and give it to the other team. The game should be decided by who plays the best basketball, not by who behaves the best.
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VCU was prevented from inbounding the ball at the time it was handed to them by the refs.
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So put the time back on the clock and let them inbound it. If anything, they would have had a free timeout to set something up. That's compensation enough for what happened, which was an innocent mistake by the Bona players.
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You could look at it this way, TP.....the refs didn't have to enforce the rule....but they did.

Not the first time that a team won a game they didn't deserve.

Just very, very unfortunate for St. Bona.
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......hate when the officials; either choose to or are required to end up influencing the outcome of the game at its conclusion..... did they have a choice in this Bona game?.....Ned need here a college level ref to tell us the deal.....
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Here is UCLA @ Oregon just this past December. At Bonnies-VCU the End of Game Buzzer actually went off just like it did in the Oregon Game. Time keeper at both games had let the Clock expire, signaling the end of the game.

At UCLA Lonzo Ball did not see TJ Leaf's inbound pass and it roller out of bounds.

Cleared the court, resumed play, no technical assigned. Same controversy, different implementation.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/should-ore ... NlYwNzcg--

and Bill Walton's take on the Oregon Game
http://www.mediaite.com/online/this-is- ... urt-early/
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Getting off the Bona game.....did everyone see where the number 2, 3, 5, 7, and 9th ranked teams lost yesterday?

March is going to be wild....and the bubble is huge right now.

Watched the Cincy-UConn game.....any time the Leg Humpers lose, it's a good thing....also watched Kansas lose at home after 54 wins in a row...Iowa State 18-34 from 3.....anybody can beat anybody right now....and Kentucky is all athletes and not much else...they look like crap
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Rambone,
2,3 and 7 all lost and lost at HOME to unranked teams. And all were from the Big 12 - Kansas, Baylor and West Virginia - Amazing
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ramster, there seem to be quite a few teams that are playing their way back onto the bubble too....like Syracuse....

It's nice that we are one of them right now......have to win these next two to solidify our position......

It's not about just 2 out of 3 now like I mentioned before the Davidson game.....get them all.
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Agree,
The team's goal before the season started was to win the A10 and make the NCAA. Winning the A10 is first and foremost at this point - that will take care of the NCAA bid.
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Another view of the SBU regulation ending.

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refs usually swallow the whistle in the final seconds of a game;they might be trying to assure vcu of a tournament bid
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You can NOT blame the crowd for that call........if that idiot security guard hadn't grabbed the ball, the outcome might have been different?
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.....yeah that security guard is at some fault here.....no?......Any lessons learned here for us and the RC staff, bench staff, fans reactions, rushing the court.....maybe an after action case study on what NOT to do in similar situations.....our PA announcer does as part of pregame script reads about going on the playing surface.....this could not happen to us right?
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Go read the VCU board folks...there is a bit of disagreement regarding the victory.

Nice opportunity here for some VCU game RoadyJay signage.....
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.....has the Bona coach offered any comments?
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If that was us getting a victory in that situation....we'd take it........

If that was us getting the loss.....BOOM!
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This "win" by VCU could be the difference maker between us and them as to who gets the NCAA bid. I hope not but it seems to be a great possibility this year based on the A-10 probably only getting 2 bids.
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It would help if we beat them and then again if we meet them in the A10T.......ya think?
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josephski wrote:
ramster wrote:It takes a minimum of .7 seconds to open catch and shot and refs know this. It was one of the reasons for going with decimal points on clocks. The .4 seconds would have meant a full court pass and a tip to the basket. This game was over. Could not have been inbounded and shot. Bonnie's Coach has to take the blame for this. Glad it wasn't a Hurley blunder :lol: :lol:
I don't think I've ever flipped out more in my life when that happened. Go Lakers!!!
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eli#10 wrote:This "win" by VCU could be the difference maker between us and them as to who gets the NCAA bid. I hope not but it seems to be a great possibility this year based on the A-10 probably only getting 2 bids.
I wonder tho how the selection committee will look at this "win" ?

Of course we ll never know....

Our job remains clear.

Win!
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In today's bubble action:

Last four bye Clemson is losing at #15 Florida State 32-21 with 7:29 left in the first half on ESPNU
Fourth out California hosts Colorado at 4:30 on ESPNU
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It's Super Bowl Sunday and there is no action in either the A-10 or among URI OOC opponents.

Other than two bubble games, only game of interest is the re-scheduled game between #20 Notre Dame and #12 UNC being played in Greensboro, NC. That game is now halftime with UNC leading by 8 points, 42-34.
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An ending similar to the St. Bonaventure game occurred back in 1989 during a Florida-Vandy game. Early in the season Florida's starting center had an altercation with some students on campus and swung a tennis racket at them. A few months later, during a trip to Vandy, Florida was trailing by 2 and missed a game tying shot with a second left, essentially ending the game. A few Vandy students chucked some tennis balls on the court and the refs called a technical. Not only did Florida's center make the two technicals, but dominated OT by scoring the first 7 points.


Vanderbilt Fans Cause Big Racket Technical On Crowd Lifts UF To OT Win
January 26, 1989|By JEFF BROWNE, Staff Writer

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Two months ago, when Dwayne Schintzius was suspended from the Florida basketball team for swinging a tennis racket at two students outside a Gainesville bar, someone told the junior center that something good would come of it.

Wednesday night, something did.

Vanderbilt`s coat-and-tie crowd congratulated itself one second early Wednesday night in Memorial Gymnasium. With the Commodores leading Florida 72-70 and one second left, some Vanderbilt students threw tennis balls onto the court.

Official John Clougherty called a technical foul on Vanderbilt, Schintzius sank the subsequent free throws, and the Gators went on to beat the Commodores 81-78 in overtime in front of 15,498 angry fans.

``Whoever was stupid enough to do it, I guess they were trying to be cool,`` said Schintzius, who finished with 24 points and 12 rebounds. ``They could say, `I hit Dwayne Schintzius with a tennis ball.` I hope they`re happy because now they can say they cost Vandy the game. Just write that Dwayne Schintzius says, `Thank you.```

Schintzius also scored the first seven points of overtime as the Gators improved to 10-9, 4-4 in the Southeastern Conference. The Commodores fell to 10-9, 4-3 in the SEC.

``A rule`s a rule,`` Florida coach Norm Sloan said. ``There`s a second on the clock, he has to call the technical. Everyone is saying what a gutsy call it was. It didn`t take any guts at all. What would have taken guts is if he didn't call it.

``What everybody is overlooking is that Schintzius stepped up there and knocked them in.``

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Ahhh......Dwayne Schintzius...one of the most uncomfortable draft waits of all time...guy just sat there and kept not getting picked ... and put on camera. Am a Seminoles fan (long story) which requires anti-Gator sentiment....but, still couldn't help feeling sorry for the guy.
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:In today's bubble action:

Last four bye Clemson is losing at #15 Florida State 32-21 with 7:29 left in the first half on ESPNU
Fourth out California hosts Colorado at 4:30 on ESPNU

109-61 Clemson loses at FSU by 48 points
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In this weekend's bubble action:

Last four bye Oklahoma State won at #7 West Virginia 82-75
Last four bye Clemson lost at #15 Florida State 109-61
Last four bye TCU won at home against Texas 78-63
Last four bye Michigan lost at home against Ohio State 70-66
Last four in Georgia Tech lost at first out Wake Forest 81-69
Last four in Kansas State won at #2 Baylor 56-54
Last four in Wichita State won at home against Illinois State 86-45
Last in Miami won at NC State 84-79
Second out Tennessee lost at Mississippi State 64-59
Fourth out California won at home against Colorado 77-66
Fifth out Georgetown lost at home to sixth out Seton Hall 68-66 in overtime
Seventh out Georgia lost at #19 South Carolina 77-75
Eighth out Texas Tech won at home against Oklahoma 77-69

Bubble teams are now 36-29 in games I've tracked
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Looks like Bona got hosed. This is the first I heard of it
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