Jim Baron 2.0

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 7 years ago

Since it is a comparison thread:

Year 1: JB 7-19 No post season DH 8-21 No post season
Year 2: JB 19-12 NIT second round DH 14-18 No post season
Year 3: JB 20-14 NIT first round DH 23-10 NIT second round
Year 4: JB 6-22 No post season DH 17-15 No post season

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 7 years ago

theblueram wrote:Since it is a comparison thread:

Year 1: JB 7-19 No post season DH 8-21 No post season
Year 2: JB 19-12 NIT second round DH 14-18 No post season
Year 3: JB 20-14 NIT first round DH 23-10 NIT second round
Year 4: JB 6-22 No post season DH 17-15 No post season

Do you have a conclusion?

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 7 years ago

I need 5 more years of data. Then I can make a conclusion.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 7 years ago

It's hard to imagine because the program was in legitimately bad shape from Jerry D's mismanagement when Baron arrived, but Dan inherited a program from Baron that was in considerably worse shape. It went beyond the roster, which was no good. The whole program was in tatters.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 7 years ago

I think that is from our perspective. His last 5 years
21-12 NIT first round
23-11 NIT second round
26-10 NIT semi finals
20-14 CBI
7-24 good bye

His biggest problem was he never made the NCAAT. Which is why we vilified him. Seriously.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 7 years ago

blueram, the record in 2010 isn't really relevant. This place was Chernobyl when Hurley got here. We can revisit the reasons why it went into a death spiral, but it did.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 7 years ago

Of course I know that TP. It was a shitstorm. From the beginning in my perspective. But the broader drive to get him out was due to no NCAAT. That was the driver. If he was making Sweet 16's, would anyone care who was studying or not?

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 7 years ago

I mean, we can go round and around on this. It's pretty simple in college basketball. Get hired, show growth, make tournament. The rest is a whole of white noise. I'd certainly choose DH over Baron but it is closer than most are willing to admit. This year and next are the ones for DH. I am just not all that confident in what the last two recruiting classes plus 2017 has us set up for.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

Agreed.....I know it's a little early, but we're about to find out what life is like without Hassan......

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 7 years ago

Tonight we may have seen the future up front without Martin. We need a good big desperately.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

We need a couple of good bigs...and an actual offensive gameplan......

We actually held our own on the boards even with KI unavailable tonight due to sucking......

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

But it was EC who led us in rebounding with 8.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

The one thing that helps with rebounding, is that we have size at the guard position other than JG......that can make up for some of the loss of Hassan.....

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 7 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:We need a couple of good bigs...and an actual offensive gameplan......

We actually held our own on the boards even with KI unavailable tonight due to sucking......

"A couple of good bigs" Here? Lol. Thanks. I needed that.

PlayMikeMotenMore · Unread post by **PlayMikeMotenMore** » 7 years ago

TruePoint wrote:It's hard to imagine because the program was in legitimately bad shape from Jerry D's mismanagement when Baron arrived, but Dan inherited a program from Baron that was in considerably worse shape. It went beyond the roster, which was no good. The whole program was in tatters.

Not sure I agree with that statement...although this is all water under the bridge right now. Jerry sunk the program to the bottom of the ocean awfully quickly in 2 years. Baron made you sick like a Rocky Point roller coaster with the ups and downs...and then finally, the down, down, downs.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 7 years ago

I was getting sick hearing Don talk about how Jeff Jones once worked UNDER Jerry D.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

And George Blaney too...we had good assistants, and a fool for a head coach......

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 7 years ago

How could we have ever hired that boob to run our program? (That's a rhetorical question, of course. We all know how).

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

theblueram wrote:NCAA OR BUST. I think that we collectively named this main thread on the basketball site. To date, it's been a BUST. Year 5. Five years. No NCAAT. NONE.

Exactly, NCAA or bust not beat PC or bust.

Think big, our fans don't

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

theblueram wrote:
Mongo wrote:
theblueram wrote:NCAA OR BUST. I think that we collectively named this main thread on the basketball site. To date, it's been a BUST. Year 5. Five years. No NCAAT. NONE.
Go be PC fan then.. My god, have you seen where this debacle was when Hurley took over. He's building a future for this program and this season is not over... Simmer down and root for your team. Question things, but have a little sense!!!
Harrick was here one year, and he brought the Number 1 Recruit in the Nation to URI. How many years does it take? I think JT is the last 4* recruit we had and he's a Junior. And no 4* next year. And none in between.

Actually Odom came here because of Jerry D, want to bring him back as head coach?

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

Rhody15 wrote:If this was suppose to be "the year" and Vegas has us favored to win BOTH games and we have superior talent over Valpo and PC on paper, we have to find a way to win at least ONE. I don't care if it's December or whatever fucking month, These two games were two of the most important on the schedule. How many games do we have left to make a statement on the road? Houston, Dayton and Davidson. That's it.

So Blue Man, please try and argue against These points.

Of course the main metrics sites had us losing to PC and Vegas had the game as a pick em. It was the public that made us the favorite against PC. So people can stop with this we were favored against PC line of garbage. We weren't

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 7 years ago

Maybe it's a coincidence, or the sign of a good team,
but I don't recall us going to an NCAA , in a year when we didn't
beat PC .

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

theblueram wrote:Since it is a comparison thread:

Year 1: JB 7-19 No post season DH 8-21 No post season
Year 2: JB 19-12 NIT second round DH 14-18 No post season
Year 3: JB 20-14 NIT first round DH 23-10 NIT second round
Year 4: JB 6-22 No post season DH 17-15 No post season

Since it's a comparison thread, compare the rosters they inherited. Most of Baron's year two production came from players he inherited,Hurley inherited TJ Buchanan. Compare the arena situation. Baron could sell recruits on being able to be on the team that opens up a new arena. By the time Hurley was here it was still in great shape but it needed upgrades and was no longer a selling point. Compare the academics. Baron didn't have to worry about Apr, Hurley had to base many of his first decisions on not being put on probation.

jmck · Unread post by **jmck** » 7 years ago

I believe Lamar Odom's year we lost to PeeCee and made The Tournament.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

By the way, when comparing the two, I didn't even bring up the national profile of the school. Baron was two years away from our greatest period of success, three years away from our school being an Elite 8 school and could point to two well known NBA players. Dan inherited a program that was more than a decade away from being nationally relevant and a reality TV star.

If you think what the two coaches inherited was close or equal you're saying more about yourself then URI athletics. You're showing you don't have a clue.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

jmck wrote:I believe Lamar Odom's year we lost to PeeCee and made The Tournament.

Yes 87-63

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 7 years ago

jmck wrote:I believe Lamar Odom's year we lost to PeeCee and made The Tournament.

only because they won the A10 Tourney.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

On an Odom 25 footer at the buzzer at that......our only A10 tourney title......still remember that shot......

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

What's your point? Rod said he couldn't recall a NCAA trip in a year we lost to PC. Other posters pointed out that the last time we made the tournament we got blown out by PC. I'm sure if we go back in the record books we'll see similar results.

No matter what people think, losing to PC does not end our year. Want to stop being treated like their little brother? Start by changing your mindset. If we compare everything to PC why shouldn't fans and journalists? If all we talk about is PC then why shouldn't Koch bring up the streak in his articles?

UCH21377 · Unread post by **UCH21377** » 7 years ago

Agree with this. PC was a tough loss, but understandable. IMO the Valpo loss was much worse.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 7 years ago

I stand corrected. In 1998-99, we got blown out by PC.
Lamar had to play PG, because Preston got hurt.
It was a disaster.
I stand by the rest of those NCAA teams beating PC.
I could bore you with details, but I won;t.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 7 years ago

every game this thread title gets more and more appropriate......

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 7 years ago

Nope, still not even close.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 7 years ago

adam914 wrote:Nope, still not even close.

keep telling yourself that...

Hurley is taking every page from the Baron playbook. Loads of talent, zero in game adjustments, zero coaching, fail to execute, fail to win close games.

The only differences between the 2 right now is a mustache, about 25 yrs of age and 50lbs.

Oh, and the fact that Baron actually has taken a team to the NCAAs

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
adam914 wrote:Nope, still not even close.

keep telling yourself that...

Hurley is taking every page from the Baron playbook. Loads of talent, zero in game adjustments, zero coaching, fail to execute, fail to win close games.

The only differences between the 2 right now is a mustache, about 25 yrs of age and 50lbs.

Oh, and the fact that Baron actually has taken a team to the NCAAs

Keep telling yourself that. Just shows a lack of knowledge on your part

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 7 years ago

When it comes to winning games versus the better competition, Hurley is on par with Baron.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

This is of course demonstrably false as has been shown in this thread and other places.

Losing sucks. That doesn't mean posters need to shit all over themselves to prove to everyone how sad and upset they are. Let's try not to make this any worse than it already is going to be.

ram1980 · Unread post by **ram1980** » 7 years ago

Bottom line is the expectations and promises are for this team to make the big dance. Anything less than this in year 5 with the supposed talent ( overrated it appears) and the great coach (again overrated it appears) can be considered a failure and baronesque

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 7 years ago

.......I don't think I posted anything in this thread cause I thought it was just ridiculous......still do by the way......but I am coming around to the notion that the gap between the two in the basketball inside the court lines is narrowing.....ouch....

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 7 years ago

Yeah guys, please stop with the Baron comparisons.

Baron would at least wait until February before collapsing....

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

Yeah because Baron wouldn't have had the sack to play this nonconference schedule

Rhody15 · Unread post by **Rhody15** » 7 years ago

RhowdyRam02 wrote:Yeah because Baron wouldn't have had the sack to play this nonconference schedule

At Valpo, PC, Houston.

Would Baron's record against these teams be any worse than Hurley's?

No.

Do you think we would win at Syracuse right now? I don't.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 7 years ago

Hurley isn't competing against Baron. And even in these discussions ppl compare their perception of Hurley being great to the worst part of Baron's coaching career.

Dan Hurley hasn't reached the highs of Jim Baron's coaching career.

AND THAT SUCKS.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

We were sold a bill of goods when he was hired.....everybody thought he would be the savior.....

What we got was a name, and not much when it came to proven success.....we did get a lot of promises which aren't coming true.....

DH is nothing like Baron...except on the bottom line.....which in this business is the most important thing....winning.

Who in their right mind 5 years ago would have thought that we would end up hiring someone who has the SAME game issues as JB had?

JB never got better...and neither is DH......

josephski · Unread post by **josephski** » 7 years ago

Hiring Hurley was a pretty big risk as much as people don't want to admit it. He had very little coaching experience at the D1 level and had never been to an NCAA tournament. I think the path a guy like Preston Murphy is taking allows him to learn much more before being a head coach. Worked with BC from 06-10 when they were a decent team and made a couple tournaments, then worked as an assistant here, then at BC and now at Creighton.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

When DH leaves, either for another program or is canned at some point, PM imo would be perfect for us......he can recruit as we know...and keep ARD around.....

Whether some here want to admit it or not, the admin will not wait forever for Hurley to Dance here.....

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 7 years ago

Creighton btw is a beast this season-any chance we have to bring PM back will likely be gone. He's a surefire D1 hire next season IMHO

Ram1019 · Unread post by **Ram1019** » 7 years ago

Hot take here: the Dan Hurley honeymoon period is over.

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 7 years ago

Can't really argue with morons who don't realize basketball is played outside of kingston and providence...but I will continue to post in this thread periodically that anyone who believes the sentiment in this thread is dumb, if for nothing else than the outside people who read this site know that not all of us are this stupid.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

BM, the purpose of this thread imo anyway, was to point out the similar problems that Dan has in coaching the games compared to the previous coach....

We all know that Dan is nothing like JB off the court......in all aspects of running a program Dan is far better....just that he can't win the big games either....

When it comes to the bottom line [winning] there isn't much difference right now.....

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