Game 7: @ Valparaiso - Tues 8pm ESPN3

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 7 years ago

I LOL'ed at the opening Bone. But I will tell you now, we will lose a winnable game. It will happen. It happens to every team in every sport since the games were invented. These are 20 year old kids not robots, they will lay an egg at some point.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

bigappleram wrote:Name bench contributors on the 97-98 team besides Preston Murphy? David Arigbabu? I can't name another. As the season progresses IMO you need 7, at tops 8 guys you can count on. I think we know our first 6, Dan needs to learn who he can trust with those next 2 roles. We need the bench to contribute and play to their strengths. If Cyril could come in and grab some boards, block a shot or two and Nikola could knock down 1-2 three pointers and defend his position well that would be more than enough.

But not if we're going to play the style of play Dan wants. He is the one who said he doesn't want anyone playing more than 32 minutes and that he'd like to play 9 or 10 guys because he wants to get out and run and play pressure defense all over the floor.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 7 years ago

Wait, we're going to lose a game at some point!?!? No way!!

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 7 years ago

We had ARD ,Luther, and 6'9" Josh King in the 1997=98 team.
Check on how many times any of them fouled out.How can you compare them to the foul kings,
Hassan and Kuran?
Harrick used three guards when he had a late lead. Damned good set of guards.
There were two all time greats, Cat and Tyson, plus Preston.
Also, at the risk of offending the many who never saw that team.
we also had the best URI coach since Frank Keaney, on our bench.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 7 years ago

bigappleram wrote:Our coach has been consistent in that he values the ability to defend over everything, and he didn't mince words in the preseason in explaining that big Mike wasn't ready to play defense at this level yet. Same situation with Berry. That's why Cyril is playing.

And Hassan played as a Freshman on a crap team - comparing that to playing time for our FR bigs when we are ranked in the Top 25 is apples and oranges.

Thank you for injecting some sanity into this thread BAR.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

Robinson is the best defensive guard on the team.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 7 years ago

sf2010 wrote:
josephski wrote:
Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
yeah, youre totally right. No freshman is ever a vastly improved player in game 30 vs game 1.

How quickly we forget Hassan looked like a baby deer learning to walk the 1st half of his freshman year
How quickly some forget Hassan was a higher ranked recruit and started over half his games during his freshman year.

I'm optimistic Layssard and Langevine will be as good as Hassan but I'm not going to blindly assume it will happen.
Nobody's asking you to blindly assume anything, but let's think about the competition Hassan had for frontcourt playing time when he was a freshman. To say it is a step below current Hassan and KI is a bit of an understatement.

Normally I'm in the camp of giving the younger guys more playing time and letting them learn that way, keeping an eye towards the future. Not. This. Year. This is our year, and Hurley should play the guys who give him the best chance to win every night, based on ability and matchups. When we got up 20 on Belmont he went to the bench, and they got the lead down to 6. Should he have stuck Layssard and Berry in there to let them learn and improve?

Agree 100 percent. Play your starting 5 a lot; then play your next 3. End of story.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

Anyone who is calling for Dan to play his starters a lot and use a short bench are basically disagreeing with Dan's philosophy.

josephski · Unread post by **josephski** » 7 years ago

BleedBlue87 wrote:I would like to see some defensive intensity right at the opening tip tonight. Offense is great this year but I feel like I haven't seen that same type of grittiness and intensity of that 2015 defense. Different team for sure but I figured since this is Dan's most athletic team that the D would be top notch.

Yea I don't know what's happened to the defense, I'm thinking maybe the increase in offense has caused a decrease in defense. If you look back at 2015 3 teams scored more than 61 points against us in our first 12 games (Nebraska 62 in OT, Kansas 76 and PC 68). This year so far 61 is the fewest points a team has scored against us.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 7 years ago

The 97-98 team is the best I have seen in my lifestime, slightly better than the 88 team IMO. Only started following in mid 80s so cant speak to the teams from the late 70s. My only point was that none of our great teams went 8-9 deep and brought huge firepower off the bench. We need solid role players to compliment our starting 5 (plus Stan). It's way to early to know if our bench can provide that...we have seen some good flashes from Cyril, Nik and Christian but also some moments when they are invisible. I completely agree that we need a 2-3 man bench that can play meaningful minutes and positively impact the game.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 7 years ago

So, BAR, we basically agree.
Bottom line, develop a balanced bench that can be relied on,
or face not living up to the potential breakout season.
You can't play with five guards, you need front-court depth.
Especially when you stress defense, and you aren't the ref's favorite coach.
It's not as if we haven't seen this movie before.
Martin and Iverson seem to always be in foul trouble,
It's a fact.
Many times both are out.
Who's going to rebound? Who's going to score inside?
So far, outside of one good game by Langevine, nobody.
This allows the defense to slough off the interior and
concentrate on the perimeter.
Basketball 101.

URIGONZO · Unread post by **URIGONZO** » 7 years ago

Our bench is extremely important this year because Hass and KI get into foul trouble. I thought the bench saved our butts in the Cincinatti game.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 7 years ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote: How long does anyone actually think Iverson can guard Peters, before he gets his first two fouls?
over/under = 2.5 possessions....

With refs that probably have not seen our defense yet; I will take the under AND in the first minute....

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

So let me get this straight, for years we've been saying each year has to be the year or else, and when it's not there's a meltdown. Now we have people that are saying we need to change how we're doing things this year or else our depth won't be what it needs to be NEXT year? We need our bench to fill roles this year, but we should absolutely not be altering what we're doing to prepare for next year. This year is the only year.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

RhowdyRam02 wrote:So let me get this straight, for years we've been saying each year has to be the year or else, and when it's not there's a meltdown. Now we have people that are saying we need to change how we're doing things this year or else our depth won't be what it needs to be NEXT year? We need our bench to fill roles this year, but we should absolutely not be altering what we're doing to prepare for next year. This year is the only year.

No, I think we need to develop depth for A10 play this year and for postseason. If we play in an NCAA tourney game and Hass and Kuran both get into foul trouble, the way it stands now, we're done.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 7 years ago

Well I was getting that from posts like this where you're talking about next year's roster.

Billyboy78 wrote:I don't understand why anyone disagrees with my statement that our guards next year will be our best players. One through four and possibly 5 and 6. My statement was in response to Iggy saying don't play the bigs, play your best players. Langevine and one of the other bigs will play big minutes next year. That doesn't mean they're better than Robinson. No, you don't always play your best players the most minutes, especially when you're going to have a team with 7 talented guards.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

RhowdyRam02 wrote:Well I was getting that from posts like this where you're talking about next year's roster.

Billyboy78 wrote:I don't understand why anyone disagrees with my statement that our guards next year will be our best players. One through four and possibly 5 and 6. My statement was in response to Iggy saying don't play the bigs, play your best players. Langevine and one of the other bigs will play big minutes next year. That doesn't mean they're better than Robinson. No, you don't always play your best players the most minutes, especially when you're going to have a team with 7 talented guards.

Meaning we have to develop our bigs, even if they're not our best players. The time to do it was in the first three games and our last two OOC games.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 7 years ago

BAR, I know we will lose some close games, for whatever reason.....yes Adam we will.....count on it.....

However it would be nice if we keep those to a minimum.....win most of the close ones anyway.....

If we play 10 games within 5-6 points, I'd be happy if we went say, 7-3...as long as one of those losses ISN'T this Saturday......

Ram1019 · Unread post by **Ram1019** » 7 years ago

Last time I saw Rhody play Valpo it was on an airplane yelling and waking up fellow passengers when Four missed two 3's at the end. Lets hope for a different result tonight. Go Rhody!

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 7 years ago

......long bench, short bench.....I am focused on Valpo and getting a win here.....expect some foul problems in this game, EC to turn it up a notch.....Stanford to play major role on both sides of ball....and just win the next one.....this one.....refs; if you are reading this go easy on us....Go Rhody....

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 7 years ago

Ram1019 wrote:Last time I saw Rhody play Valpo it was on an airplane yelling and waking up fellow passengers when Four missed two 3's at the end. Lets hope for a different result tonight. Go Rhody!

Yeah, but at least you didn't have one of those silly foam orange Dunkn Donuts 'hats'....

neil · Unread post by **neil** » 7 years ago

In our one close game so far we made shots from the field and from the line during crunch time. I would trust most of the starters to take a last shot. No moral victories! Let's get our confidence up on the road and take it to them! Go rhody!

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 7 years ago

UCH21377 · Unread post by **UCH21377** » 7 years ago

I think we'll see a 4 guard offense at some point this year, probably before the A10 schedule starts.

josephski · Unread post by **josephski** » 7 years ago

Anyone know how long it takes for the replay to go up on ESPN3? Is it usually minutes or hours it takes to put it up?

KMar970 · Unread post by **KMar970** » 7 years ago

its like right after the game ends... LETS GO RHODY

Tom98 · Unread post by **Tom98** » 7 years ago

Big game.....it's on

Tom98 · Unread post by **Tom98** » 7 years ago

Game time

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 7 years ago

These announcers are already annoying 30 seconds in.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 7 years ago

first thing out of this jerks mouth is both teams come from conferences where they need to win the conference tourney to get in. Here we go.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 7 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:So, BAR, we basically agree.
Bottom line, develop a balanced bench that can be relied on,
or face not living up to the potential breakout season.
You can't play with five guards, you need front-court depth.
Especially when you stress defense, and you aren't the ref's favorite coach.
It's not as if we haven't seen this movie before.
Martin and Iverson seem to always be in foul trouble,
Basketball 101.

What is a "balanced bench" and how many teams not in the Top 10 have one?
College teams aren't that deep any more.
The game has also changed a lot. Most teams start 3 guards. That was non-existent in 97-98.
8 players deep is plenty - maybe you want to play other bigs instead of CL.
Dan only plays CL for Hass. When KI gets in trouble it is Akelie.
You can't have your two Sr front court players get in foul trouble consistently and win. No team can withstand that.
Hass and KI need to step it up on D without the foul trouble. If they don't, this team isn't that good.

KMar970 · Unread post by **KMar970** » 7 years ago

do these announcers really work for espn?

Tom98 · Unread post by **Tom98** » 7 years ago

Definitely need to limit our fouls....that will b key.....7th best in the country at the line

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 7 years ago

We refuse to get off to a good start...

Tom98 · Unread post by **Tom98** » 7 years ago

Definitely need to limit our fouls....that will b key.....7th best in the country at the line

Keatgsr07 · Unread post by **Keatgsr07** » 7 years ago

These two are tough, i might defer to my wife's Christmas music

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 7 years ago

KMar970 wrote:do these announcers really work for espn?

No they are Valpos.

Horizon league simply pays to use ESPNs streaming system since they get crap real tv coverage.

URIGONZO · Unread post by **URIGONZO** » 7 years ago

If Iverson gets a rebound and dribbles up the court right into the zone and turns it over again I'm going to have a stroke.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 7 years ago

How far we have come when announcers drool over Hassan's free throw skills.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 7 years ago

Tied at ten.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 7 years ago

Awesome..Valpo undergrad announcers

KMar970 · Unread post by **KMar970** » 7 years ago

ATPTourFan wrote:
KMar970 wrote:do these announcers really work for espn?
No they are Valpos.

Horizon league simply pays to use ESPNs streaming system since they get crap real tv coverage.

Good to know thanks

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 7 years ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Awesome..Valpo undergrad announcers

They are paid members of media. Professionals.

Keatgsr07 · Unread post by **Keatgsr07** » 7 years ago

When we get into our rhythm, we better SMOKE this team-they're awful

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 7 years ago

Yuck beginning.
Can't believe EC missed that layup....

runninrams5 · Unread post by **runninrams5** » 7 years ago

I don't understand how that is a foul on Cyril, hands straight up and the guy leans in and throws his arms at him.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 7 years ago

I thought we weren't going to have scoring droughts this year?

Shinze88 · Unread post by **Shinze88** » 7 years ago

Playing like we've never seen a zone before, nobody posting at the high post, poor ball movement. no offensive rebounding either

giovanni · Unread post by **giovanni** » 7 years ago

Boy does the offense look ugly right now.

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 7 years ago

JARED TERRELL MOTHA FUCKA

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