Early Top 25 Lists for 2016-17

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 8 years ago

I've changed the topic title to reflect that the discussion has kind of shifted to all of them.

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 8 years ago

Yeah, I guess I have come to take Rothstein's opinions with a grain of salt.

Also, I do agree that having an AP Top 25 team going into next year would be a huge selling point for the URI marketing department and bringing in the casual fan.

Hurley better have his team ready for all that comes with being a Top 25 team though. Seems like every time URI is able to draw in the casual fan they lose, so if they come out and blow their preseason ranking the first few weeks of the season that isn't going to galvanize the casual fan.

Is URI set to open the season against Cincy or will they have some creampuffs like Maine and/or UNH come take a beating first? I really hope we get some creampuffs before the Tip Off Tournament, this team is going to need a tune up or 2 before they are ready for primetime...

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 8 years ago

Sorry naysayers on paper Rhode Island is top 20 all day. There is zero question, all day.

On paper.

No excuses.

Zero. Get this thing done.

25 wins, A10 title automatic bid, sweet 16.

Just get it done.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 8 years ago

STC wrote:Yeah, I guess I have come to take Rothstein's opinions with a grain of salt.

Yeah, I think most people do that with his opinions. He's good, though, with the factual stuff- some signings, early schedule releases, that kind of stuff. Almost all coaches have him in their phones. He's good to get out that kind of information, and I think his overwhelming positivity about almost every player, coach, and team comes from wanting to maintain his sources. All part of the game.

As far as next year's team, it would be nice if Robinson could replicate some of that TJ stuff we saw in 14-15. Terrell has some of those qualities, but they need more from him for longer throughout the game. Robinson might be able to come in with that intensity and extra defensive pressure off the bench.

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 8 years ago

I really like the flexibility Stan Robinson is going to bring. Gives Hurley a solid 4th guy for the 3 guard lineup.

Feel like Robinson could be a real wildcard for this team.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

He needs to be the guy that shuts down the opponents' big shooter in crunch time.

Something that Four failed miserably at last season.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 8 years ago

Robinson will not only be great at defense, but he will back up Jarvis at the point without much (if any) drop off. Ball handling and running the offense was certainly an area where we suffered last year when Jarvis was not on the court. Basically cost us the game against UMASS at their place.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

Dan at some point last season said that if Robinson had been available, we would have won at least a couple more games. Maybe it was at the end of the OOC part of the schedule.

2-3 more wins would have made us an NIT team, anyway.

woodennickel1 · Unread post by **woodennickel1** » 8 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:Dan at some point last season said that if Robinson had been available, we would have won at least a couple more games. Maybe it was at the end of the OOC part of the schedule.

2-3 more wins would have made us an NIT team, anyway.

Correct me if I am wrong but Dan was also talking very highly of Biggie Minis and Jared Reshelle (sp) when they were sitting out also.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 8 years ago

He did, and though they may have had their fair share of bad games last year, either one of them could have given us at least one more win this year. And neither of those guys were EVER top 100 recruits. He also spoke highly of Kuran last year and he performed well this year. All that to say, "what's your point?" Wooden

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 8 years ago

Parrish has already moved Rhode Island from 18 to 17. At this rate, they'll be #1 before the end of the month.
(Hamilton declared for the NBA, which knocked UCONN down)

Was it Dan or Jim Carr who made that comment about Robinson? It was during a coach's show, but I can't remember.

"Jared Reshelle"

eli#10 · Unread post by **eli#10** » 8 years ago

The way I look at it is that if we can limit JG, JT and EC to 32-33 minutes a game that would get Robinson 21-24 minutes a game less whatever time Dowtin is able to earn. This should result in whoever (of these 4 excluding Dowtin) is in the game at the end will not be exhausted. JT and JG did not have much left in the tank at the end of a lot of games this past year which obviously hurt us a lot. Plus, our defensive pressure will be improved.

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 8 years ago

Dre3000 wrote:Robinson will not only be great at defense, but he will back up Jarvis at the point without much (if any) drop off. Ball handling and running the offense was certainly an area where we suffered last year when Jarvis was not on the court. Basically cost us the game against UMASS at their place.

ace wrote:
STC wrote:Yeah, I guess I have come to take Rothstein's opinions with a grain of salt.

As far as next year's team, it would be nice if Robinson could replicate some of that TJ stuff we saw in 14-15. Terrell has some of those qualities, but they need more from him for longer throughout the game. Robinson might be able to come in with that intensity and extra defensive pressure off the bench.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... d-robinson

1) Take a look at the stats if you can't recall watching Robinson playing games. He's hardly a "ball handler/runner of any offense." He's a tweener, who if he were 2 inches taller, would be better suited to play college small forward -- because he lacks any consistent offense game.

2) Robinson may give the defensive "TJ Energy Effect," but Buchanan's beauty was the leadership and all-around two-way versatility he gave.
When T.J. Buchanan was recruited all reports and clippings said the same thing: He's a winner, whose talents would neither measure others' , nor theirs his capacity to be clutch.
Robinson has no such versatility, offensively, at least. That's why he was forced to transfer from Indiana. Not to Indiana.

ALSO, "WITHOUT MUCH (IF ANY) DROP-OFF" FROM GARRETT?!?!!?!?!?!?
Simply, amazing.......................................

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

Why the hell is this a-hole PC fan here. Does he think we care what he says or something?

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 8 years ago

well, at least he named himself appropriately.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

Robinson is a defensive specialist. Role and situational player. 10-15 minutes a game max. most likely.

Any points he scores will be a bonus. If I had to guess, maybe 4-6 pts. per game average.....

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 8 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:Why the hell is this a-hole PC fan here. Does he think we care what he says or something?

Biggie Minis and Jared Reshelle might.
But not Biggie Minnis or Jarelle Reischel.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 8 years ago

ramster wrote:Great to see us ranked in this one.
But wait........
Jonathon Holton returning for West Virginia? Huh?

They finally fixed this and removed Holton's name. He's been around long enough. Still wish he didn't mess up and get kicked out of URI. Hurley would have made it work with him.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

ace wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:Why the hell is this a-hole PC fan here. Does he think we care what he says or something?
Biggie Minis and Jared Reshelle might.
But not Biggie Minnis or Jarelle Reischel.

It's that wonderful PC education. Although I doubt that the Wooden A-Hole went to college.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

Wooden A-Hole. That would hurt.......splinters ouch

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 8 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:Robinson is a defensive specialist. Role and situational player. 10-15 minutes a game max. most likely.

Any points he scores will be a bonus. If I had to guess, maybe 4-6 pts. per game average.....

When someone is listed as a defensive specialist,
it usually means he 's not a scorer.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 8 years ago

I get that TJ might have outperformed his high school reputation at URI at the end.

I understand that Stanford Robinson has not absolutely performed in his limited time up to his high school reputation.

I don't think that Stanford's performance has overlapped TJ's in that they are that similar or that Robinson needs to play up to TJ's level.

Robinson averaged almost 7 points in 16 minutes as a freshman in the Big10 at one of the flagship schools.
Terrell averaged 9 in about 27 minutes at URI his freshman year.

I wonder if Robinson doesn't push Terrell for playing time, which IMHO Terrell needs because he coasts too often on offense(sometimes for weeks on end).

Finally, asking Robinson to replace what TJ gave URI is short sighted considering the team didn't dance. The team needs more to be successful.

Yes I measure success as a tournament bid.

brady1 · Unread post by **brady1** » 8 years ago

That a boy bressler.

Sell the young man short before he even plays a game here.

NITWIT!

GO RHODY!

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

We had no one to really spell Terrell or even Garrett, when they were struggling earlier in the season.

Maybe that was what was meant by the "would have won a couple more games" comment.

Anyway, time to put that mess of a season in the rear view for good......

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

brady1 wrote:That a boy bressler.

Sell the young man short before he even plays a game here.

NITWIT!

GO RHODY!

May as well get the guy into the chopdown shop as soon as possible...

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

Robinson is a slasher, not a shooter. But that doesn't mean he can't do anything offensively.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 8 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:
Finally, asking Robinson to replace what TJ gave URI is short sighted considering the team didn't dance. The team needs more to be successful.

Yes I measure success as a tournament bid.

It's only short-sighted, I think, if all other factors were expected to stay the same, and they were just replacing Player T with Player S. I think a guy like Robinson (or possibly an improved CT) added to a more experienced JG, JT, and HM (not to mention EC because that's a wild card or the rest of the roster) than what Buchanan played with has the potential to be better. And sure it's all speculation, but it's April, and that's all we have.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 8 years ago

I can almost guarantee you Robinson will play point, that's where he spent all his time practing this season as well as last summer. I suggest you talk to some players, coaches, reporters, or anyone that has seen multiple practices. DiSano said that's where he played during the inter squad scrimmage they had before the season where he ran one of the teams. To think he's the same player now that he was at Indiana is, IMO, an indictment of our coaches ability to develop players.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

Dre3000 wrote:I can almost guarantee you Robinson will play point, that's where he spent all his time practing this season as well as last summer. I suggest you talk to some players, coaches, reporters, or anyone that has seen multiple practices. DiSano said that's where he played during the inter squad scrimmage they had before the season where he ran one of the teams. To think he's the same player now that he was at Indiana is, IMO, an indictment of our coaches ability to develop players.

If you're a long time Rhody board member..."it's what you do"

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 8 years ago

I heard positive things about Robinson's offensive game from practices this season. We'll have to wait to see if those reports were accurate and if so does it translate into the games.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 8 years ago

It's a good thing that everyone knows everything.

Raise your hand if you have ever watched more than three minutes Stan Robinson play. And even those with their hands up haven't seen him after sitting out a year and presumably working on his game. This is not to say that he's going to better or worse than anyone expects, but rather that nobody has any idea what he's going to be able to contribute to this team next year. Myself expressly included.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 8 years ago

If anyone thinks Robinson is taking minutes away from Terrell,
or even replace him, they didn't see Jared Terrell
in A-10 play last year.
With a couple of exception, he was greatly improved on offense.
Robinson made THREE 3 pointers in 2 years.
Not exactly a shooter, by any stretch.
Beyond that, nobody here really knows what he'll contribute or
what his role will be.
I'm sure he was sold on being as starter after EC
graduated.
That's not happening, because they will overlap, now.
I hope he's a nice surprise.
The more good players, the better the team will be.
I'll be more interested in seeing how Hurley uses the incoming
size.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

Yeah, I don't see EC leaving after next season, unless he has a monster year and we make the NCAA tournament.

Post-ACL surgery, I don't see him having that type of year. Maybe he will the following season.

steveystuds06 · Unread post by **steveystuds06** » 8 years ago

I think we know why Stan was brought on. He's a solid defender with an ability to slash to the hoop. Just because the kid doesn't hit threes doesn't mean he can't be successful. You can see from his game tape and watching him at practice that he explodes when he goes to the hoop (something Terrell hasn't done very well). Terrell obviously has better offensive game in other areas so I'm not saying Stan is a better option. I do think Stan will be an important piece for this team next year.

steveystuds06 · Unread post by **steveystuds06** » 8 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:Yeah, I don't see EC leaving after next season, unless he has a monster year and we make the NCAA tournament.

Post-ACL surgery, I don't see him having that type of year. Maybe he will the following season.

Or if Hurley leads us to the sweet 16 gets a big job offer and EC goes to play with him his final year.

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 8 years ago

I do worry about URI's ability to spread the floor next year. EC and Garrett are the only consistent 3 point shooters we have and those two need to be surrounded by shooters to create opportunities to get into the lane.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 8 years ago

I wonder if you will see Iverson take more threes this year. His percentage of 39 would have been good for 16th in conference, but I guess he didn't have enough attempts. I assume we'll see him around the three point line more if Martin is at the 4.

Shaolin Swat · Unread post by **Shaolin Swat** » 8 years ago

STC wrote:I do worry about URI's ability to spread the floor next year. EC and Garrett are the only consistent 3 point shooters we have and those two need to be surrounded by shooters to create opportunities to get into the lane.

To be fair (and I know that he is more of a slasher than a jump shooter), Jared Terrell has basically the same career 3 point shooting % as EC (33.5% for JT to EC's 33.4%), so I think it's only fair that he be included in the consistent 3 point shooters as well. That being said, obviously EC is a better overall shooter than JT (career 41.5% FG% to JT 38.6%), but if you're just talking about 3 point shooting, there isn't as much a difference as you'd think (or I thought).

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 8 years ago

I would like to see Terrell become a more consistent shooter, very streaky imo.

A lot of this mid range jumpers he takes he could take few steps back and turn them into treys.

Terrell seemed to turn a corner in conference play, hopefully he can build on that and continue his progression into next season. I see the potential that made him a Top 100 guy, just want to see him maximize his potential.

josephski · Unread post by **josephski** » 8 years ago

What does everyone think about Thompson going forward? Dowtin's supposed to be a very good player. Robinson could very easily surprise many of us. I don't think we need a 6 guard rotation so I'm wondering which guard will be sitting on the bench most of the game?

Rhodekill · Unread post by **Rhodekill** » 8 years ago

if the newcomers are as "advertised" I think we are going to see a very different type of team on both sides of the ball next year....the offensive pace will be much faster and we will be applying defensive pressure all over the floor...this means that the depth will have to come into play and a lot more people will see minutes so that at the end of the game our key guys are fresher while the opponents are not...maybe not exactly 40 minutes of hell but something like it...

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 8 years ago

We did seem to have a pretty good press this year and the press seemed to be difficult to handle for even the really good teams in the tournament, so with added depth I'm hoping to see that deployed more next year.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

Until URI shows it on the court with an impressivewin, it in no way deserves to be ranked. On paper is meaningless.

sf2010 · Unread post by **sf2010** » 8 years ago

RF1 wrote:Until URI shows it on the court with an impressivewin, it in no way deserves to be ranked. On paper is meaningless.

And yet, there are all these sportswriters who have to write way-too-early Top 25 columns. Maybe you should create a blog and write a preseason Top 0 in protest because it is all meaningless.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 8 years ago

RF1 wrote:Until URI shows it on the court with an impressivewin, it in no way deserves to be ranked. On paper is meaningless.

Like beating Dayton at Dayton without EC or Hassan?

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 8 years ago

It's amazing how fast people have written off that win.

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 8 years ago

It's easy to forget the Dayton win when my most recent memory is of URI crapping down it's leg in the first round of the A10 tournament against UMass.

These preseason polls are meaningless, lets see what happens when they roll the balls out. I'm waiting for the results to catch up to the endless hype.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

sf2010 wrote:
RF1 wrote:Until URI shows it on the court with an impressivewin, it in no way deserves to be ranked. On paper is meaningless.
And yet, there are all these sportswriters who have to write way-too-early Top 25 columns. Maybe you should create a blog and write a preseason Top 0 in protest because it is all meaningless.

THERE MUST ALWAYS BE SOMETHING TO BE UPSET ABOUT. NO EXCUSES.

josephski · Unread post by **josephski** » 8 years ago

RhowdyRam02 wrote:It's amazing how fast people have written off that win.

It was a great win but ultimately it didn't mean anything.

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 8 years ago

josephski wrote:What does everyone think about Thompson going forward? Dowtin's supposed to be a very good player. Robinson could very easily surprise many of us. I don't think we need a 6 guard rotation so I'm wondering which guard will be sitting on the bench most of the game?

If Stan Robinson runs the point at all then that may keep Dowtin out of the lineup completely. Being an incoming freshman coming into a loaded backcourt typically means you arent gong to get much playing time.
The guys who are definitely going to get playing time are EC, JT, JG and then Stan. It looks like Chris and Jeff are just going to be used in relief duties or situational ones.
However, both guys are good shooters. Chris dropped off towards the end, but he had a bad concussion and ad some freshman fatigue going on. He might be the best three point shooter on the roster potentially. I know for a while he had the best on the team last year, so he could be the guy who can come in and spread the defense a little, hopefully knock down some shots and we wouldn't lose anything on defense.
Don't know anything about Dowtin's D, but he just lead his team to a championship. Not bad for the 6th guard.
Dan will have options.

What worries me is what is going to happen with the frontcourt. We know what we have. Hass, Kuran and Akele, but we really don't know how effective those 3 bigs are going to be next year. They're gonna be thrown into the fire a little bit.
Like the Duke game with their 5 star big guys....

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