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That is still one creepy looking mascot. Up there with the Frightening Friar.........
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Wonder if anyone has ever gone directly from Alabama-Birmingham to Stanford before, for work or school or any other reason?
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Brian Gregory officially out at GT. Georgia Tech will be paying Gregory, Paul Hewitt and whomever they hire next year. Yeesh.
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rambone 78 wrote:That is still one creepy looking mascot. Up there with the Frightening Friar.........
There is nothing un-creepy about that mascot..

.. a charm doll .. known as "The God of Things As They Ought to Be."

...also the official mascot of the Royal Order of Jesters, an invitation only Shriner group, affiliated with Freemasonry.
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:That is still one creepy looking mascot. Up there with the Frightening Friar.........
There is nothing un-creepy about that mascot..

.. a charm doll .. known as "The God of Things As They Ought to Be."

...also the official mascot of the Royal Order of Jesters, an invitation only Shriner group, affiliated with Freemasonry.

Watch out with your nefarious-insinuating-connect-the-dots thinking, NYGF.......

You never know what's lurking in Life.....

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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:That is still one creepy looking mascot. Up there with the Frightening Friar.........
There is nothing un-creepy about that mascot..

.. a charm doll .. known as "The God of Things As They Ought to Be."

...also the official mascot of the Royal Order of Jesters, an invitation only Shriner group, affiliated with Freemasonry.

Watch out with your nefarious-insinuating-connect-the-dots thinking, NYGF.......

You never know what's lurking in Life.....

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You're trying to ratchet up the creepiness on purpose, aren't you? :shock:
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This one could have A-10 implications - the Will Wade to Vandy rumors have already started.

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Hardly a dynamic hire for Pitt. I think Dixon was better, but both seemed to have worn out their welcomes at their respective schools. Stallings' team this year was picked to win the conference and instead were in the first four. From listening to the people that cover Pitt, quite a number of coaches were approached and showed little to no interest. Throw in the Sheldon Jeter angle, and it's a decidedly meh move. If players stay, though, Pitt could be good next year.
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Does Pitino survive at Louisville? And, if not...where does he go?
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RF1 wrote:PC is going to take a step backwards with Dunn leaving and more than likely Bentil following him out the door. Word on the street is that Ed has come to realize he has brought PC as far as he can. He knows he will never be able to consistently recruit top players given the school's student demographics and race problems. Even when he does gets some high level recruits to attend, its no guarantee they stay as he has had some bail because they don't feel comfortable on the PC campus. He knows this will never change and he is growing tired of coming soooo close with recruits but usually always losing out at the end.
Once again giving bad info Cooley and PC working on an extension.
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A possible Cooley extension does in no way mean the RF1 is giving out bad information. PC has a diversity problem as anyone who reads the newspaper knows about.
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PC should be pretty damn happy Cooley has gotten them to 3 NCAA's in a row.

I would be offering him an extension too.

URI has done that once in their history, and only because of Odom's 25 ft. shot at the buzzer against Temple.

Will we ever do that again? [3 years in a row I mean]

Especially with the same coach?
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Obadiah wrote:A possible Cooley extension does in no way mean the RF1 is giving out bad information. PC has a diversity problem as anyone who reads the newspaper knows about.
He said Cooley wanted out and would be on the first bus out of town certainly sounds like bad info to me. Cooley is going nowhere for a long time so get used to it.
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nickelhead, Cooley's streak is likely to end next season, especially if BB goes NBA.

Imo, anyway......
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rambone 78 wrote:nickelhead, Cooley's streak is likely to end next season, especially if BB goes NBA.

Imo, anyway......
I will wait to see who is on the team next year before making any predictions. But I think Cooley will put a good product on the floor . With the new facility's coming should also really help the recruiting going forward.
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woodennickel1 wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:nickelhead, Cooley's streak is likely to end next season, especially if BB goes NBA.

Imo, anyway......
I will wait to see who is on the team next year before making any predictions. But I think Cooley will put a good product on the floor . With the new facility's coming should also really help the recruiting going forward.
Excellent strategy....not who 'might be'...not 'who is expected to be', but who "is"
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You can't argue with what Cooley has done with their program.

Even with player losses [especially Chukwu], injuries, and other issues, he probably got them as far as they could go.

We're still waiting for the same thing to happen here.

The "No Excuses" Tour starts in November........
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No you certainly can't, he has done a great great job. The flip side of that is that he has had 2 of the all-time great Friars in their long history play for him - Cotton and Dunn.
And has 1 last second NCAA win over an average USC team to show for it.

But I digress...
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Some coaches have the rep of getting their teams to the Dance on a regular basis, but not doing much when there.

Al had that here, and especially at BC.

Still, where we've been for 17 years, ANY Dance invite is an improvement.
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bigappleram wrote:No you certainly can't, he has done a great great job. The flip side of that is that he has had 2 of the all-time great Friars in their long history play for him - Cotton and Dunn.
And has 1 last second NCAA win over an average USC team to show for it.

But I digress...
Going in to this year they had one player averaging over 22 minutes a game of experience. Just because you have one great player does not make you a great team . I know Bentil ended playing a lot better the anyone thought. But the fact is it was a very young and inexperienced team that I thought Cooley did an outstanding job with.
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PC hasn't had enough depth of talent to go very far in the last 3 years in the tournament.

Cooley got the most of out of what they had though.

Having that 1 or 2 players that can win games for you at the end, certainly helped too.

That's what we're missing. We need to find them.
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Though Coley is neither perfect nor excellent (yet), he's done a very, very good job at PC -- as he had at Fairfield. Hell, if URI'd gone to one NCAA people here would have gone nuts! Twice -- wacko! Thrice -- berserk!!!
Who's kidding whom????
When a team has a star player, Dunn, you can ride him -- two, all the better!!!! The second (Bentil) developed to the point that he's a marginal 1st-round pick. Who wouldn't want that for, let's say Hassan Martin's development during the last two years?????? Who here thought that Martin was head and shoulders above Bentil after last season/going into this season??? Who thought it'd be the other way around in terms of development?
Oh, well......
Let's hope that URI crushes PC at the Dunkin' Derelicts' Center next season -- Bentil or no Bentil.
There shouldn't be any excuses.
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Bressler, yep, there's no pressure at all on Dan to produce, right?

Yeah, like big time.......even at little old State U.
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That is a must win game if we want butts in the Ryan Center seats for A10 play 16/17 season.

Agree no excuses.

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Excuses end with the opening tap of next season.
Put up or shut up time.
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Former Arizona State coach Herb Sendek has been hired by Santa Clara.

And if you want to see a diverse resume, check out the likely new UNLV coach, Chris Beard.

Rick Stansbury gets the Western Kentucky job.

Mike Dunleavy, in a somewhat interesting move, has been hired by Tulane.

Two recruits have asked for their releases from Pitt since Stallings was hired.
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ace wrote:
Two recruits have asked for their releases from Pitt since Stallings was hired.
URI was involved with one of them...

Corey Manigault
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Cooley has coached all time Friars? Having a horse is one thing. Developing a horse and then riding that horse is another thing.

IMHO Cooley coaches a style that puts his best players in the position to succeed and he bangs away at that. Not only that but he doesn't waste time in a season. He coaches the team the same way every game. He doesn't hide things or play games in the early season. They play through that player or players and they get better at it.

I think DH wastes time early developing roles instead of nailing them down preseason and then forcing the team to run through that from the jump.

I know the roster has been in flux. PC's roster has been in flux.

It is easier for players to know their role and spend all their effort and mental reps on figuring out how to succeed in that role.

Also his formula works. The biggest thing for a player is that if they buy into what the coach is selling that it will lead them to success.
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Stop it SPG!
Some troll will tell you to go root for PC,
for speaking the truth.
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SPG, yes Dunn and Cotton, I would guess by most Friar experts, would be considered Top 10 of all time at PC.
That does not intend to take away from the job and results Cooley has achieved, through major adversity and obstacles, I was just making a statement. He has done a great job IMO. We owe them a smack down in the worst way this year, has to happen.
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ace wrote:Former Arizona State coach Herb Sendek has been hired by Santa Clara.

And if you want to see a diverse resume, check out the likely new UNLV coach, Chris Beard.

Rick Stansbury gets the Western Kentucky job.

Mike Dunleavy, in a somewhat interesting move, has been hired by Tulane.

Two recruits have asked for their releases from Pitt since Stallings was hired.
Jeff Capel and Jay Larranaga of interest to Ga Tech
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Smart move by VCU with Vandy sniffing around.

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I get a kick out of these extensions.

If Dan makes the Dance next season he will get something similar.

What do they really mean? Means they're good for next season?

All of them have buyout provisions. Here today, gone tomorrow.......
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Extension just means: You are "officially welcome to stay until __ __ __ and if you do, we will pay you $_____"

If I'm Larranage...thinking that spending a couple more years with Stevens is better than the GT job....
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Not really, 208.

Schools have the option to shitcan the coach anytime during that contract.

Might cost them a little more to do so, but nothing like what happened with URI and Baron.

That was hideous.
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rambone 78 wrote:Not really, 208.

Schools have the option to shitcan the coach anytime during that contract.

Might cost them a little more to do so, but nothing like what happened with URI and Baron.

That was hideous.
Are you sure about that? Have you read Dan's contract or others like Shaka's or Will Wade's, etc? They're available to the public.

If the school terminates without cause, they're on the hook for any future guaranteed compensation or other pre-negotiated "damages". Schools protect themselves by including buy-out clauses for when another school comes and steals their coach as well as language that enables a for-cause termination due to NCAA violations, etc etc. Also protecting schools are "offset" clauses where any other coaching job earned during the original term of the contract would subtract from the agreed upon liquidated damages paid by the original school.

Schools that extend 7 or 8 years in advance are showing confidence in their coach. URI's problem was having TOO MUCH confidence (too many years) in Baron despite only modest performance.

URI has high confidence in Dan Hurley. VCU has high confidence in Will Wade. Short of an unforeseen NCAA violation or other major issue that qualifies for cause, they're happy to have their coach on the sideline for the full term.
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That Tech job is good. Pass on that? Wait for what?

An ACC job in a desirable metropolitan area. Fair amount of history/tradition.

Title appearance this century.

Has Larranaga had a head coaching job? I know he is a hot coach but that is a great first job. Or even last job.

The higher paying jobs in NCAA pay higher wages because the teams have more $$$ coming in. The hall of famers in the ACC are all old. You get Tech up to the top half of the league during this upcoming transition, some March success, and there is no reason to jump ship.
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Hiring the "right" coach can completely turn a program around.

Especially one like GT, which has the facilities and money.

As for firing a coach, URI can OF COURSE let DH go at any time.

Depends on what's in the contract, as to monetary payouts and the like.

Ever hear of firing a coach for not meeting expectations?

Who here thinks that Dan will still be the coach here at the end of his current contract [2021 I think], if he doesn't get the program to the Dance at least once or more?

Yeah they have confidence now, but could it be false confidence? We'll know soon.

URI doesn't know that Dan will fulfill his promises. Nobody does, until or unless it happens.
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bigappleram wrote:SPG, yes Dunn and Cotton, I would guess by most Friar experts, would be considered Top 10 of all time at PC.
I am by no means a PC Friar expert, but I think there is quite a bit recency bias saying Cotton is a Top 10 friar. Considering they have about 10 numbers retired & that doesn't include Thorpe, Donovan, Murdock, Croshere, Gomes or Marshon Brooks, I don't think he makes the cut.
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spookydog wrote:
bigappleram wrote:SPG, yes Dunn and Cotton, I would guess by most Friar experts, would be considered Top 10 of all time at PC.
I am by no means a PC Friar expert, but I think there is quite a bit recency bias saying Cotton is a Top 10 friar. Considering they have about 10 numbers retired & that doesn't include Thorpe, Donovan, Murdock, Croshere, Gomes or Marshon Brooks, I don't think he makes the cut.
Dunn isn't even in my Top Five.

Cotton?

CottonSwab....

Top 20, okay. Maybe.
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bressler3south wrote:
spookydog wrote:
bigappleram wrote:SPG, yes Dunn and Cotton, I would guess by most Friar experts, would be considered Top 10 of all time at PC.
I am by no means a PC Friar expert, but I think there is quite a bit recency bias saying Cotton is a Top 10 friar. Considering they have about 10 numbers retired & that doesn't include Thorpe, Donovan, Murdock, Croshere, Gomes or Marshon Brooks, I don't think he makes the cut.
Dunn isn't even in my Top Five.

Cotton?

CottonSwab....

Top 20, okay. Maybe.
Actually..I'd take Bentil over Dunn....
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They are both clutch players. I would take either. Or both.

You can have 2 guys who are close in talent. One has "it" at the end of games. One doesn't.

Guess which one I would take?

Right now, does URI have anyone who consistently raises their game in crunch time?

Didn't think so.
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rambone 78 wrote:They are both clutch players. I would take either. Or both.

You can have 2 guys who are close in talent. One has "it" at the end of games. One doesn't.

Guess which one I would take?

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The one that led the BE in scoring and beat URI on a tip in at the buzzer?
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Depends how you are determining Top 10 Bress, its subjective of course...but how many PC players have been lottery picks? That alone elevates Dunn to the upper echelon of any list. Cotton's senior season was one for the ages, IMO comparable to Murdock, Shammgod, but for what he did single-handedly at times I would give Cotton the edge over both.

Dunn and Bentil are two different players - Big Ben can't dribble, pass or defend the perimeter. That will be an issue in the NBA, if he decides to go. Or the reason why he decides not to...Dunn needs to work on his shooting, but he is elite at a bunch of things necessary to play with the best in the world.
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Is Dunn really a lock lottery pick?
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Is Dunn really a lock lottery pick?
According to just about every mock draft out there yes.
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Depends what you consider the lottery, i have seen him no lower than 7th.
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Walker was easily the best I've seen at PC, followed by Barnes and Ernie. Wilkens was a little before my time. I can think of several more that were better than Cotton.
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Sure, but can you think of 6 more that were clearly better...i doubt it.
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