A-10 Officials are killing Rhody

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 8 years ago

The changes in the way the game is called has hurt Hurley. He teaches a very aggressive defense that includes bumping and pushing. You can't do as much of that any more. It's why URI gets called for more fouls, particularly on the road. It's why URI often doesn't get a home court advantage with the refs.
I'd like to see Hurley go zone 5 minutes in each half to protect players from foul trouble and keep the other team from getting to the bonus so quickly.
and there's no doubt he has lost all credibility with the officials. You can't go crazy a dozen times a game. Make your displeasure known and move on. I admire his competitiveness and drive to win, but the other coaches really want to win, too, and do a better job of keeping it together.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

The disparity in ft attempts, particularly in URI road games, is gaining more attention. The ASN announcers brought it up a few times in the Fordham-URI telecast.

Running Ram · Unread post by **Running Ram** » 8 years ago

RF, I'm pretty sure they were insinuating that the disparity might have something to do with DH's demeanor because they brought that up a few times too.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 8 years ago

Agree with Iggy 100%

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

Supposedly they were going to tone down the aggressiveness a little this season, due to the new rules.

Maybe they have a little, but they are still fouling too much.

And Hurley's issues with the refs, is just another impediment toward reaching that next level.

That's something he has to work on big time.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

Besides still fouling a lot, the defense isn't as good as it's been the past 3 years either.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 8 years ago

Personally I often wish that Rhody wouldn't fight on defense to stop the other team from scoring to the point that they foul.

Sometimes or maybe many times the team would be better off giving up a shot over a foul.

The fouls that happen away from the ball are awful. Any offensive foul is awful.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

Billyboy, with our lack of depth we should be playing more zone.

But we know that won't happen with this coach. Dan even said his dad won't speak to him if he does. That's probably a joke, but there might be some truth to that also.

Next season, they'll have the depth to play man basically all of the time, I would think.

Right now, we have a few players that haven't got the knack for playing aggressive defense without fouling.

Four isn't a very good defensive player, but he's playing a lot of minutes because even when CT replaces him, CT fouls too much himself.

That's where having EC would help, of course. But we know that.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

Agree with spg... I don't mind the foul that actually stops a basket so much...it's the fouls away from the hoop, away from the ball, the reach overs...those get old fast.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

208, a lot of that is on the coaching, is it not?

Discipline. That is something that is taught.

Dan hangs his hat on defense. Defense without fouling? That's the hard part I guess.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 8 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:Billyboy, with our lack of depth we should be playing more zone.

But we know that won't happen with this coach. Dan even said his dad won't speak to him if he does. That's probably a joke, but there might be some truth to that also.

Next season, they'll have the depth to play man basically all of the time, I would think.

Right now, we have a few players that haven't got the knack for playing aggressive defense without fouling.

Four isn't a very good defensive player, but he's playing a lot of minutes because even when CT replaces him, CT fouls too much himself.

That's where having EC would help, of course. But we know that.

Maybe Dan should tell his father that when he starts sending him players, he can suggest what defense we play.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 8 years ago

thx RF

JoeCabrey · Unread post by **JoeCabrey** » 8 years ago

"The podunk A-10 really likes to screw URI whether it is the officiating or something else. Another poke in the eye is that reports from Richmond are that the games at the Barclays. next season vs. the ACC (in exchange for moving the tourney) will have Richmond and VCU as the A-10 reps. It was GW and Fordham this past season."

Actually it was Saint Joseph's defeating Virginia Tech and Fordham losing to Boston College in the A10/ACC Challenge at the Barclays Center this season.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400821334

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400817632

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 8 years ago

Nice to hear the views of a dedicated and well respected Saint Joseph's fan on A-10 basketball!

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 8 years ago

I think our style of play and our Coach's tendency to ride officials for 40 minutes that leads to the FT number disparity more than any anti URI conspiracy by A10 officials.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 8 years ago

But how does that account for the big disparity for home versus away games that the RF1 data show???

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 8 years ago

URI hasn't gotten the benefit of the doubt from refs for 10 years.

I think the league looks at itself as a legit 3-4 bid league. They then look to favor teams for different reasons.

To make the dance URI has to crash the party.

Like Dayton is an A10 front runner program based off of their arena and attendance. Then they have good basketball.

St Joes rides Martelli's godfather status and usually 1-2 great players.

VCU is a national brand the A10 wants to keep up there.

Then theres like 2-4 team group that if they're good they will get a couple more calls like the Davidsons/Richmonds/GWs of the world. They have coaches that get respect and the midatlantic status.

URI has to have an OOC showing that lets the league put faith in URI. Then they will get calls.

I think Baron got more respect against Martelli. Martelli didn't need the refs to outcoach Baron. Dan is fighting the new kid on the block status.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 8 years ago

RF1 wrote:Updated URI A-10 Games FT Numbers

URI A-10 HOME GAMES
LASALLE 11-15 | URI 18-21
RIC 10-18 | URI 13-18
SLU 16-23 | URI 17-21
FORDHAM 12-19 | URI 17-23
OPP 49-75 | URI 65-83
AVG OPP 12-19 | 16-21

URI A-10 ROAD GAMES
GW 25-30 | URI 6-11
SBU 26-31 | URI 10-15
SJU 15-23 | URI 12-15
OPP 66-84 | URI 28-41
AVG OPP 22-28 | 9-14

COMBINED HOME AND AWAY (4 Home and 3 Away)
OPP 115-159 | URI 93-124
AVG OPP 16-23 | 9-14

RF1,
Uri won all 4 home games and lost all 3 road games. My guess is since URI was well ahead in the home games that the opponent did not go into an intentional fouling mode to try to get back in the game.
On the road those 3 games were close and for sure we were intentionally fouling the opponent to send them to the line.
Would comparing the first half of first 30 minutes tell a more even story?

Seems like some are claiming Ref conspiracy without considering what the game score situation was.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

Thinkn......maaaybe....it's getting so complicated to build the conspiracy theory....because there is no conspiracy?

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

ramster wrote:
RF1 wrote:Updated URI A-10 Games FT Numbers

URI A-10 HOME GAMES
LASALLE 11-15 | URI 18-21
RIC 10-18 | URI 13-18
SLU 16-23 | URI 17-21
FORDHAM 12-19 | URI 17-23
OPP 49-75 | URI 65-83
AVG OPP 12-19 | 16-21

URI A-10 ROAD GAMES
GW 25-30 | URI 6-11
SBU 26-31 | URI 10-15
SJU 15-23 | URI 12-15
OPP 66-84 | URI 28-41
AVG OPP 22-28 | 9-14

COMBINED HOME AND AWAY (4 Home and 3 Away)
OPP 115-159 | URI 93-124
AVG OPP 16-23 | 9-14
RF1,
Uri won all 4 home games and lost all 3 road games. My guess is since URI was well ahead in the home games that the opponent did not go into an intentional fouling mode to try to get back in the game.
On the road those 3 games were close and for sure we were intentionally fouling the opponent to send them to the line.
Would comparing the first half of first 30 minutes tell a more even story?

Seems like some are claiming Ref conspiracy without considering what the game score situation was.

All the road games were one possession games going into the last minute. Intentional fouls do not explain the wide difference unless you think URI intentionally fouled GW 10X in the last minute of play.

I get that URI is aggressive and fouls more than most teams. The FT difference should however not be as great as it has been in some of our raad games (especially @GW and @SBU). GW went to the line nearly 3x for every URI attempt.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 8 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:URI hasn't gotten the benefit of the doubt from refs for 10 years.

I think the league looks at itself as a legit 3-4 bid league. They then look to favor teams for different reasons.

To make the dance URI has to crash the party.

Like Dayton is an A10 front runner program based off of their arena and attendance. Then they have good basketball.

St Joes rides Martelli's godfather status and usually 1-2 great players.

VCU is a national brand the A10 wants to keep up there.

Then theres like 2-4 team group that if they're good they will get a couple more calls like the
Davidsons/Richmonds/GWs of the world. They have coaches that get respect and the midatlantic status.

URI has to have an OOC showing that lets the league put faith in URI. Then they will get calls.

I think Baron got more respect against Martelli. Martelli didn't need the refs to outcoach Baron. Dan is fighting the new kid on the block status.

Bone, just saying if that is true, then my opine to the question on thread why we don't win the close ones; is that we need better players to get us over the A-10 dis of Rhody?

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 8 years ago

I feel like the A10 is sending a message to Dan Hurley.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

Thorr needs to send a message to Dan Hurley.

He can't be happy with what he's seeing.

Things are getting worse, not better, with regard to the refs.

DH is sabotaging his chances for success. Not intentionally of course.

But the result is the same.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

URI opponents are now even getting to the ft line in Rhody home games more often than the Rams.

URI A-10 HOME GAMES FT STATS
LASALLE | 11 - 15 | URI | 18 - 21
RICH | 10 - 18 | URI | 13 - 18
SLU | 16 - 23 | URI | 17 - 21
FORDHAM | 12 - 19 | URI | 17 - 23
SJU | 23 - 28 | URI | 11 - 15
OPP | 72 - 103 | URI | 76 - 98
AVG | 14 - 21 | URI | 15 - 20

URI A-10 ROAD GAMES FT STATS
GW | 25 - 30 | URI | 6 - 11
SBU | 26 - 31 | URI | 10 - 15
SJU | 15 - 23 | URI | 12 - 15
OPP | 66 - 84 | URI | 28 - 41
AVG | 22 - 28 | URI | 9 - 14

COMBINED URI A-10 HOME AND AWAY FT STATS (5 HOME GAMES/3 ROAD GAMES)
OPP | 138 - 187 | URI | 104 - 139
AVG | 17 - 23 | URI | 13 - 17

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

RF1 wrote:URI opponents are now even getting to the ft line in Rhody home games more often than the Rams.

URI A-10 HOME GAMES FT STATS
LASALLE | 11 - 15 | URI | 18 - 21
RICH | 10 - 18 | URI | 13 - 18
SLU | 16 - 23 | URI | 17 - 21
FORDHAM | 12 - 19 | URI | 17 - 23
SJU | 23 - 28 | URI | 11 - 15
OPP | 72 - 103 | URI | 76 - 98
AVG | 14 - 21 | URI | 15 - 20

URI A-10 ROAD GAMES FT STATS
GW | 25 - 30 | URI | 6 - 11
SBU | 26 - 31 | URI | 10 - 15
SJU | 15 - 23 | URI | 12 - 15
OPP | 66 - 84 | URI | 28 - 41
AVG | 22 - 28 | URI | 9 - 14

COMBINED URI A-10 HOME AND AWAY FT STATS
OPP | 138 - 187 | URI | 104 - 139
AVG | 17 - 23 | URI | 13 - 17

And like I said in another thread, 4 of the 15 foul shots we got tonight were from flagrant fouls that WEREN'T EVEN ORIGINALLY CALLED FOULS!!!

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

Me thinks our coach is not the only one out of control when it comes to the reffing. The officials have now joined him as they are out of control as well.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 8 years ago

I agree with that.

The A10 needs to step in.

Thorr and even Dooley need to have a meeting with Bernadette. They certainly need to talk to Dan.

I wouldn't have thought so earlier in the season, but it's gotten out of hand.

Those refs need to be disciplined also. It's like they tried to ignore 2 of our players getting hurt.

Maybe even the St. Joes players involved too.

brady1 · Unread post by **brady1** » 8 years ago

I've been posting nonsense on URI Basketball boards for 30 years. I've never once blamed a Ref for a loss. Home cooking, Same Ref screws us one game helps us the next. It's part of game.

WE ARE NOW GETTING SCREWED BY A-10 REFS!

- two of our players sent to hospital on non calls right in front of REFS. URI HOME GAME
- last night URI and St joies played similar game styles URI 24 fouls St joies 13. URI HOME GAME
- URI's best player targeted fouls out. St joes best player helped to not foul out. URI HOME GAME

7000 URI fans show up to a game on a Sat night to get some home cooking and good enterainment and they get jobbed. I believe the game should be looked at for problems with the refs if it was a St joies home game. The fact that it was a RHODY HOME GAME makes the officiating egregious.

Now URI played crappy but it's time for us season ticketholders and fans to try and support the team even more. I'd suggest an email or call complaining about the officating of the game asking to have it looked at. IT WAS A URI HOME GAME! 7000 people got jobbed.

A-10 phone # (757) 706-3040
email: BMcGlade@atlantic10.org

GO RHODY!

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

Still not going to say the refs cost them the game last night...they were horrible both ways. But...when kids take shots to the head that lay them out on the ground for several minutes...doesn't someone need to get tossed?

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

Speaking of Bernadette, someone sitting behind me said that she was at the game last night. So, she won't have to review the tape. She saw it first hand.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:Speaking of Bernadette, someone sitting behind me said that she was at the game last night. So, she won't have to review the tape. She saw it first hand.

Will be interesting to hear if she has any thoughts on it....

RIFan · Unread post by **RIFan** » 8 years ago

I have been wondering if URI sends game film highlighting the lousy officiating to the league office, as proof that we are getting screwed.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

I think, more importantly than URI getting screwed...that crew is possibly going to get some kids seriously hurt (and they may have already...)

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:Speaking of Bernadette, someone sitting behind me said that she was at the game last night. So, she won't have to review the tape. She saw it first hand.

She probably won't do anything. She and her staff have allowed this though nine games, half the A-10 slate. A well run top notch league would have stepped in earlier. It is a 2nd rate podunk league that doesn't take action and allows it to go on. As I have been saying for some time, the A-10 could care less about URI. It has always had a small group of schools that it favored and Rhody has never been one of them.

brady1 · Unread post by **brady1** » 8 years ago

Well can't hurt to let her know your feelings. The kids that sign up to play for URI deserve a fair game.

GO RHODY!

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 8 years ago

brady1 wrote:Well can't hurt to let her know your feelings. The kids that sign up to play for URI deserve a fair game.

GO RHODY!

email sent

Shinze88 · Unread post by **Shinze88** » 8 years ago

This thread has been difficult to read. Yes, officiating is awful, its been awful for many years and its awful in every conference, not just the A10. Its silly to think that officiating is keeping this team down? If you think so, then you either dont know the game of basketball or you're simply in denial. I absolutely agree about the officiating, but if you look at how we play defense, why is this even being discussed? The ncaa passed rules on hand checking over 2 years ago and why is it that we seem to be the team who has not been able to adjust to these rules? We play no zone defense to protect our players and basically maul the ball handler on every possession. Last night Hassan had 3 fouls at least 20 feet away from the basket, and his charge call was the correct call. His hoops IQ has been poor, and he seems to be suffering the most from the loss of EC, Hass needs to realize that we need him on the court if we are going win against good teams. Kuran has showed flashes of his ability, but for his size and "athleticism", he's a role player at best, beside his 4* ranking. Our talent on the whole seems to over rated once again this year, regardless of losing EC, and I see no reason to look any further about why we cant beat the good teams on our schedule. The irony of the officiating argument is we are an awful FT team, its almost an advantage for the other team when we're in the bonus. Good talent can mask alot of coaching deficiencies.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 8 years ago

Regarding McGalde - could it actually be her directive to refs to favor possible NCAA teams versus URI? I wouldn't ordinarily give such a conspiracy theory any creedence but the fact is the league is doing nothing and some of the screw jobs have been against teams in NCAA play (GW and SJU), it makes me wonder.

The A-10 is run like a little CYO league. Many of its members schools are quite comfortable with that and actually probably want it that way. It is run like a small time league that favors a select few.

brady1 · Unread post by **brady1** » 8 years ago

Shine, agree with the style of play on why foul #'s skewed for most games. Last night similar styles were played and I thought URI took ball to hoop more often. 24 fouls vs 13 Fouls for our home game. When the game was over as in ST joies up 18 pts 2 guys hospital ect. The Refs quickly called 3 mean nothing fouls on joies because of how bad it was. Heck the 2 fouls that put players out of the game weren't even originally called.

Agree with thoughts on Hass but last night 1st foul was a stupid reach foul on Hass. Hurley sends message to him sits him with one foul. Hass goes back in he's played three minuets 1st half and we're halfway through. 1st play back in is that joke of a flop, it's a URI home game and our best frontcourt player is out on that flop, game changing call against the HOME TEAM. At worst it should of been a non call how often lately you see a flop and it's a non call.

URI has problems Refs or NO REFS but the REFS sealed the results last night. It was our home game. It needs to be looked at. Maybe Bernie sends a little message out, no more screwing URI players and fans cause you hate Hurley and maybe Dan tones down his act and we actually are not disadvantaged by the Refs in even our home games.

Email Bernie can't hurt. 7000 fans should be able to expect at least impartial referees at a HOME GAME!

Ok I done with my best BONE impression for the morning.

GO RHODY!

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

The 2nd foul on Hassan was definitely a flop. I was sitting right next to where it happened. So, there was that call on Hassan. In comparison, Bembry bowls over one of our players with about 2 seconds left in the half, and there is no call. And that would have been Bembry's 3rd foul. Yes, our style of defense tends to give us more fouls. But comparing those 2 calls, which greatly affected which star of which team would have to be on the bench and/or eventually foul out, our style of defense had zero impact on those two calls.

Running Ram · Unread post by **Running Ram** » 8 years ago

Reap what you sow. I see the same plays and results from the refs as everybody else, but get a clue about human nature here people, if you don't think DH's antics are the antecedent to the horrid officiating, go take psych 101 again. This from iggy is a sum-up..."I admire his competitiveness and drive to win, but the other coaches really want to win, too, and do a better job of keeping it together."

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 8 years ago

Running Ram wrote:Reap what you sow. I see the same plays and results from the refs as everybody else, but get a clue about human nature here people, if you don't think DH's antics are the antecedent to the horrid officiating, go take psych 101 again. This from iggy is a sum-up..."I admire his competitiveness and drive to win, but the other coaches really want to win, too, and do a better job of keeping it together."

You would think the refs might be a little more discreet about it, meaning 50/50 calls all go against us, or even 60/40 and 70/30. But the ones I spoke about were about 90/10, pretty obvious ones, in my opinion.

UCH21377 · Unread post by **UCH21377** » 8 years ago

Shinze88 wrote:This thread has been difficult to read. Yes, officiating is awful, its been awful for many years and its awful in every conference, not just the A10. Its silly to think that officiating is keeping this team down? If you think so, then you either dont know the game of basketball or you're simply in denial. I absolutely agree about the officiating, but if you look at how we play defense, why is this even being discussed? The ncaa passed rules on hand checking over 2 years ago and why is it that we seem to be the team who has not been able to adjust to these rules? We play no zone defense to protect our players and basically maul the ball handler on every possession. Last night Hassan had 3 fouls at least 20 feet away from the basket, and his charge call was the correct call. His hoops IQ has been poor, and he seems to be suffering the most from the loss of EC, Hass needs to realize that we need him on the court if we are going win against good teams. Kuran has showed flashes of his ability, but for his size and "athleticism", he's a role player at best, beside his 4* ranking. Our talent on the whole seems to over rated once again this year, regardless of losing EC, and I see no reason to look any further about why we cant beat the good teams on our schedule. The irony of the officiating argument is we are an awful FT team, its almost an advantage for the other team when we're in the bonus. Good talent can mask alot of coaching deficiencies.

Shinze I could not agree more. We have an issue with our talent; it is not nearly as good as hyped up to be. And don't even talk to me about McGlinn.

narr99 · Unread post by **narr99** » 8 years ago

Shine are you kidding me? I know from that statement that you have very little basketball knowledge. Please think again about what you wrote. One teams goes to the line 19 more times in a game and wins by 5 points and both teams play man to man defense and you are going to tell me that the refs calls did not have a part in the outcome of the game? Seriously that comment is painful

UCH21377 · Unread post by **UCH21377** » 8 years ago

Well then lump me in with the "very little basketball knowledge" group please!

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 8 years ago

^ Add me in too.

Shinze88 · Unread post by **Shinze88** » 8 years ago

narr99 wrote:Shine are you kidding me? I know from that statement that you have very little basketball knowledge. Please think again about what you wrote. One teams goes to the line 19 more times in a game and wins by 5 points and both teams play man to man defense and you are going to tell me that the refs calls did not have a part in the outcome of the game? Seriously that comment is painful

Not sure what game you are referring to, I assume its the GW game which we lost by 4 and GW shot 30 FT's to our 11, this was the only game we've played where our opponent went to the line 19 more times than we did. Assuming this is the game you speak of, I unfortunately didn't see any of it since the snow storm in DC moved it off ESPN2 due to the earlier start (I'll also assume you didnt see any of that game either unless you live in walking distance of the Smith Center). While I cant comment on the officiating, what I can say is that I know GW plays an assortment of defenses most notably a 1-3-1 zone (from my basketball knowledge of course and watching them play against Mason today) so I'm pretty sure if this is the game you are referring to both teams didnt play straight man to man all game. I also suppose blowing an 18 point lead is a direct cause of the poor officiating. Its also true the officials played a big part in our 54% effort from the line.

RAM67 · Unread post by **RAM67** » 8 years ago

I watched a paid stream of the game, so narr99 may have done the same. I won't comment about the rest of the comments, as I have a problem with the officiating in most games.

jmck · Unread post by **jmck** » 8 years ago

I think Dan should review some of his Wagner games for his sideline demeanor. I saw his team play at Bryant and get down 16 in the first half. He never screamed at the refs our the players. He stood the entire game, whistled our stomped his foot to get his players attention, and was no where near the point of taking his jacket off. They whittled the lead down a bit before the half and came back and won the game. When I watched the Stanford-URI NIT game last year, I swear that the ref said to him "I can't believe that you are getting on me for that call" and then proceeded to give Stanford the benefit of the doubt the rest of the game. I agree that he should cool it a lot on the sideline, but last nights game which I was at, those refs deserved every rant and rage that they got. They were horrible.

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