ramster wrote:On a breakaway Christion scored and was fouled. Refs said foul was before the shot.
Hurley was calling for breakaway foul, I agreed.
Very tough break in what would have been a 3 point play resulted instead taking ball out of bounds. Anyone see this differently?
One of the things that has hurt college basketball was the insistence on going away from an intentional foul to more of an NBA model with excessive contact. The only way to get the penalty is to have a clear-path foul, where you are chasing a player from behind and foul him. As long as you are in front of him, it's a standard personal, barring "excessive" contact. Lomomba had clearly positioned himself in front of Thompson, there was no disputing his positioning.
Also, there is no way the basket would have counted. Thompson took 5-6 steps after he was contacted. When Lomomba first made contact, Thompson was stepping over the 3 point line.
ramster wrote:On a breakaway Christion scored and was fouled. Refs said foul was before the shot.
Hurley was calling for breakaway foul, I agreed.
Very tough break in what would have been a 3 point play resulted instead taking ball out of bounds. Anyone see this differently?
One of the things that has hurt college basketball was the insistence on going away from an intentional foul to more of an NBA model with excessive contact. The only way to get the penalty is to have a clear-path foul, where you are chasing a player from behind and foul him. As long as you are in front of him, it's a standard personal, barring "excessive" contact. Lomomba had clearly positioned himself in front of Thompson, there was no disputing his positioning.
Also, there is no way the basket would have counted. Thompson took 5-6 steps after he was contacted. When Lomomba first made contact, Thompson was stepping over the 3 point line.
That call was correct. The one that killed me was the blocking foul on Garrett in the first half that was clearly a charge. Refs aren't perfect, but that was one of the more absurd calls I can remember in what was generally a pretty fairly officiated game.
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There were 4 PC fans sitting 2 rows in front of me.. There were 3 URI baseball players right in front of me. One of the PC fans was a big, ugly, mean and dumb looking asshole. Every time he left his seat to go to concessions/bathroom or whatever, he would stare them down as he was walking in front of them and putting a thumbs down fist right in their faces. This guy was begging for a fight. And if it is true that there was a fight at the Mews, why are PC fans there? Yes, they have every right to go there, but in my opinion, after a game like that, at a well known URI watering hole, they were there for one reason.
I feel like I'm watching the same game decade after decade ... a program of almost. Almost beat PC, almost beat Duke, almost beat Stanford. Coaches come and go and same result. The opposing coach praising how great our team played but lost by two points, blah, blah.
It's like the pre-2004 Red Sox, over and over. And less than 50 percent from the line? Ugh.
ramster wrote:On a breakaway Christion scored and was fouled. Refs said foul was before the shot.
Hurley was calling for breakaway foul, I agreed.
Very tough break in what would have been a 3 point play resulted instead taking ball out of bounds. Anyone see this differently?
One of the things that has hurt college basketball was the insistence on going away from an intentional foul to more of an NBA model with excessive contact. The only way to get the penalty is to have a clear-path foul, where you are chasing a player from behind and foul him. As long as you are in front of him, it's a standard personal, barring "excessive" contact. Lomomba had clearly positioned himself in front of Thompson, there was no disputing his positioning.
Also, there is no way the basket would have counted. Thompson took 5-6 steps after he was contacted. When Lomomba first made contact, Thompson was stepping over the 3 point line.
That call was correct. The one that killed me was the blocking foul on Garrett in the first half that was clearly a charge. Refs aren't perfect, but that was one of the more absurd calls I can remember in what was generally a pretty fairly officiated game.
Garrett's feet were definitely set. It may have fallen into the "grey area" where if a player is in the air, you cannot slide under him and try to draw a charge, it's a block. Bentil jumps in the air to collect a Dunn pass, and as he does Garrett gets position and stationary. As he comes down he hits Garrett. These were the points of emphasis put in place a few years back:
-Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul.
-Secondary defenders (help defenders) moving forward or to the side are also in violation and those should be blocking fouls.
It's about 24:25 in this video:
I don't know, it could have gone either way, but I think with those it's not as egregious as it may have seemed.
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ram1980 wrote:but you clowns and your coach are no saints (halfway out on the court one play) need to get off your high horse.. Sick of losing to you clowns
Are you kidding me? Your coach is on the floor every single play. Watch the first half, PC is running an offense and Hurley is very visibly standing on the court on nearly every possession. Here's a link: That made me laugh, because I'm pretty sure the one time Cooley was "halfway on the court," he was yelling at his own guys and the play was going the other way, URI was bringing the ball up the court. It made me laugh because the crowd got irate, but it's like, look at your own bench.
You'll find I don't condone much of what is said regarding URI (most of it is ignorant). But things constantly being hurled at fans and the team is over the line to me, especially at the end of the game when it began to rain behind the bench. Message board talk or stupid chants, who gives a crap? Difference between trash talk and physical action.
I would just like to say two things regarding your precious fans.
1). A couple who arrived late, decided that they wanted to annoy those around them by standing up and trying to initiate confrontation. They refused to sit down and verbally tussled with several people around them, and the female was threatening an older URI fan. The male had a PC shirt on and she had a Rhody Rukus shirt on. The way they were acting I don't believe she was a URI student. Security eventually escorted them out of the building a short time later.
2). While my wife and I were leaving 2 separate groups of young men with PC garb on were yelling obscenities about URI in front of couples and children. A sample was "Fuck URI, I hope this shit hole burns down." Being happy about the win is great, but deliberately yelling and making an asshole out of yourself is something I've heard only from PC and UMASS fans leaving the Ryan.
Let's face it there are obnoxious fans on both sides. I've been a fan for over 50 years, and had season tickets when we played at the Civic Center, and I can say that there has always been BS, and there always will be, but those two instances stuck in my craw.
Nothing like catholic private school kids with "class"
Since this is "just another game on their schedule" as opposed to our "superbowl" they must do that after every game!
I believe you lose the right to the moral high ground as a fandom when a relatively high profile Friars-related social media account mocks an opposing player's season ending injury.
And to an above comment, the Rams shot 9-13 from the line, which is decidedly not less than 50%.
That call was correct. The one that killed me was the blocking foul on Garrett in the first half that was clearly a charge. Refs aren't perfect, but that was one of the more absurd calls I can remember in what was generally a pretty fairly officiated game.[/quote]
He didn't give him room to land, if he is 6 inches deeper he prob gets the call
Frustrating loss.. I just shook my head at the end of the game
I just wanted to take a positive spin on this frustrating ending and share a few thoughts
1) left CT at 2:30pm and got to the mews at 3:50pm
2) had a great time w both PC and URI fans and watched 1st half of Alabama while sitting at the bar
3) mews pregame was a fun atmosphere
4) Ryan center crowd was electric
5) game had a "big game" feel to it
6) felt we played great, and the game was so exciting
7) whoever had the ball last turned out the winner
Thanks to all Rhody fans and the Mews for showing me a great time yesterday.
ace wrote:I believe you lose the right to the moral high ground as a fandom when a relatively high profile Friars-related social media account mocks an opposing player's season ending injury.
And to an above comment, the Rams shot 9-13 from the line, which is decidedly not less than 50%.
I was able to attend this game at the last minute and got a place on the suite level. It was a great game all around. Too many points in the paint especially by Bullock and Lomomba killed the Rams.
But we can all be proud of this team, the program, and the great school URI is. Once again the electric atmosphere at Ryan makes it one of the best arenas in all D1 basketball. We can be also be proud of our classy crowd and it was easy to spot the PC fans because most dress in black and look like thugs with behavior to match, especially the hey, "youse guys" comments.
Great defense at the end and the tip goes right to a PC player. Sucks.
This is a potentially very good team still that showed. A lot of balance. I thought for sure Four was going to make the game winner for his first points of the game. Didn't happen. Christion looks better and better every game.
Never seen so much slicked back hair and suit jackets with jeans. Need to go take a shower to cleanse myself of cornball.
I feel like I'm watching the same game decade after decade ... a program of almost. Almost beat PC, almost beat Duke, almost beat Stanford. Coaches come and go and same result. The opposing coach praising how great our team played but lost by two points, blah, blah.
It's like the pre-2004 Red Sox, over and over. And less than 50 percent from the line? Ugh.
Micheal_Phelps_22 wrote:Hearing there was a massive brawl at about 1230 AM over at the muse involving URI and PC fans but haven't been able to confirm that 2nd part. Awful if true and I hope that's not the case.
I was driving through campus when I was leaving. I had to turn around as students were frantically waving cars to turn around on Butterfield Rd. near the bottom of the elephant walk. There was already an ambulance there with some other emergency vehicles on their way. I was wondering what happened there. I wouldn't imagine there would be any PC fans on that part of the campus. Does anybody know what was going on there?
You drove right past me then. I was walking through campus right after the game.
A car went off of the road right in front me. Hit a stone wall and was stuck over a flight of stairs directly across from hope common.
A bunch of us ran over to check on the person but there was a ton of smoke so 911 was called.
We all thought it was a drunk student. It turned out to he an older man. When they dragged him out of the car he was not breathing and they preformed cpr on him for a few minutes in the middle of the street.
Not sure if he had a heart attaco while driving but they brought him back to life. Incredible job by the emt staff during a very scary situation.
theblueram wrote:I did not see One friar fan that looked to be in any way associated with a catholic college. not one. bunch of effin cretins
I sat next to two older guys that probably graduated from PC in the 60s, and they were nice guys. They are the exception to the rule, though. There were probably six other PC fans scattered around section 211, a few were students that were harmless enough (yelling obnoxious stuff, but that is any fan including me in the Dunk), and then there were these two clowns rooting for the Friars who clearly were not students. They looked a little too goofy to be actual drug dealers, but that is definitely the look they were going for. I don't want to insult anyone's town so I won't say exactly where I think they were from, but I know exactly what kind of kids these are because I knew kids like them growing up, and they are the exact type of clowns I think of when I think of "PC fans."
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Ram82 wrote:
As the turnout reflected, it was definitely our biggest game of the season to date, but getting to the NCAAs is will be based on how we fare during the A10 regular season and tournament. This was just one game, in a season that will run for several more months.
The team showed me a lot. Hopefully, it will spill over into the next game and beyond.
Bigger than Maryland?
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Micheal_Phelps_22 wrote:Hearing there was a massive brawl at about 1230 AM over at the muse involving URI and PC fans but haven't been able to confirm that 2nd part. Awful if true and I hope that's not the case.
I was driving through campus when I was leaving. I had to turn around as students were frantically waving cars to turn around on Butterfield Rd. near the bottom of the elephant walk. There was already an ambulance there with some other emergency vehicles on their way. I was wondering what happened there. I wouldn't imagine there would be any PC fans on that part of the campus. Does anybody know what was going on there?
You drove right past me then. I was walking through campus right after the game.
A car went off of the road right in front me. Hit a stone wall and was stuck over a flight of stairs directly across from hope common.
A bunch of us ran over to check on the person but there was a ton of smoke so 911 was called.
We all thought it was a drunk student. It turned out to he an older man. When they dragged him out of the car he was not breathing and they preformed cpr on him for a few minutes in the middle of the street.
Not sure if he had a heart attaco while driving but they brought him back to life. Incredible job by the emt staff during a very scary situation.
Hadn't see the pushoff on the tip in until tonight here on the message board. It kind of shocked me.
I have to say it was very blatant to me. It was really more of a complete shove with a forearm. I am
surprised that it wasn't called. I doubt that the refs saw it and chose to let it go. I think it is more
likely they were looking at the rim and missed it completely. I have to admit that watching on TV I
didn't see it live because I too was watching the ball. What a shame. The trailing ref should have
spotted it, but he must have also missed it. There is no doubt in my mind that it should have been called
a foul. You rarely can get away with such a blatant forearm shove like that no matter when it occurs.
Thought it was overall a well played game by both teams. Really hoping URI can duplicate their performance
in all of the upcoming games. If they do, they will win almost all of them. The pain of this loss is starting to
subside a bit, so now I look forward to Tuesday.
theblueram wrote:I did not see One friar fan that looked to be in any way associated with a catholic college. not one. bunch of effin cretins
I sat next to two older guys that probably graduated from PC in the 60s, and they were nice guys. They are the exception to the rule, though. There were probably six other PC fans scattered around section 211, a few were students that were harmless enough (yelling obnoxious stuff, but that is any fan including me in the Dunk), and then there were these two clowns rooting for the Friars who clearly were not students. They looked a little too goofy to be actual drug dealers, but that is definitely the look they were going for. I don't want to insult anyone's town so I won't say exactly where I think they were from, but I know exactly what kind of kids these are because I knew kids like them growing up, and they are the exact type of clowns I think of when I think of "PC fans."
First guess, Johnston. Second guess, sorry Rod, Cranston.
luke wrote:Hadn't see the pushoff on the tip in until tonight here on the message board. It kind of shocked me.
I have to say it was very blatant to me. It was really more of a complete shove with a forearm. I am
surprised that it wasn't called. I doubt that the refs saw it and chose to let it go. I think it is more
likely they were looking at the rim and missed it completely. I have to admit that watching on TV I
didn't see it live because I too was watching the ball. What a shame. The trailing ref should have
spotted it, but he must have also missed it. There is no doubt in my mind that it should have been called
a foul. You rarely can get away with such a blatant forearm shove like that no matter when it occurs.
Thought it was overall a well played game by both teams. Really hoping URI can duplicate their performance
in all of the upcoming games. If they do, they will win almost all of them. The pain of this loss is starting to
subside a bit, so now I look forward to Tuesday.
Agreed, it was obvious. ATP and I were furious....that on top of a bunch of other things I listed in an earlier post.
Rhody put in a great effort and got hosed...again...as usual by the black and white who give URI almost no respect. When it's PC it's always the same. Still remember Ty Sullivan getting his head taken off at the dunk. Kid gets floored and headband flies off and the officials looked the other way. In a year when there's more fouls than ever being called over "contact," a player who is in constant foul trouble through out the year and committing plenty of contact with push offs and grabbing some how ends up with just 1 foul. I don't see too many starters these days that can go an entire game with one foul in a rivalry game.
People may not agree with my perspective. That's fine. I went home and actually wasn't upset at all. I didn't expect them to win in the first place. In the grand scheme of life, it's just a game in a sport...not life or death, but that doesn't mean I'm going to look at the game with rose colored glasses either. Next year Dunn isn't walking through that door, but EC, Hass, and Garett will.
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The Dude wrote: Rhody put in a great effort and got hosed...again...as usual by the black and white who give URI almost no respect.
While watching the replay in slow-motion the foul seems obvious, but live and full speed and in a situation like that almost no ref would make that call. But yeah, I was also surprised that somehow Dunn only ended up with one foul that whole game.
The best refs are the ones you don't notice, and I didn't really notice the refs for most of the game.
On a sidenote, I believe that last year's game vs VCU was one of the worst officiated game that I've ever seen in sports history. Don't know if anyone remembers that but it was honestly ridiculous.
I was watching the game on TV, and didn't notice the push-off until the second replay, which is when I think Welsh brought it up as well. I don't know. In that situation, I almost think it's equivalent to a Hail Mary in football, where there isn't going to be a flag unless something blatant happened. To me, Bentil pushed off, but it's a call that's never made, and if it was on the opposite end (like, Hassan Martin pushing aside Dunn for a putback), I think we would have screamed bloody murder if the foul was called. I think the no-call on that was correct, given the game situation and what not.
Wow, its interesting that the commentator said it was an uncalled foul. They don't usually do that.
They played them close. I would like for them to feel defeat one year. PC's coaches all appear graceful and calm but they haven't lost a game so I would like for them to get burned at least once by URI.
Team needs to put together a run on the way into conference play. Keep getting better.
That play did determine the outcome though. I'm all for letting them play but if it determines the outcome maybe they blow the whistle and let them play OT.
Seawrightspostgame wrote:That play did determine the outcome though. I'm all for letting them play but if it determines the outcome maybe they blow the whistle and let them play OT.
I'd have loved if they blew the whistle, but keep in mind it wouldn't have necessarily sent the game to OT. Garrett would have had a chance to win it at the free throw line.
The aggravating thing to me is that Hassan was so careful in challenging Dunn on the play because he didn't want to get called for a foul in that situation and let them win it at the line, and Bentil took just about the opposite approach and assumed he could chuck a dude across the floor and they wouldn't call it in that situation. If Hassan had challenged Dunn half as aggressively as Bentil went after the board, the play may have unfolded differently. Not faulting Hass at all; he made the smart play and Dunn missed the shot, it just didn't end up working out because Bentil gambled and got away with it.
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I think the other thing to think about is the ref mechanics in that situation made it harder to get a call. The official who probably would have made the call in that situation is the trail official. Problem is in that situation, he's watching the ball & clock as he has the best view of the lights. That's typical official's mechanic, you can see from the Coxhub view that his eyes are up the whole time. Under normal circumstances, he's watching the back end of the play, not the lights. The official who would have had the best view is the side judge, in 3 official mechanics he was actually on the side of the court where the play unfolded. You can see very clearly that both the side ref and the ref underneath the basket followed Dunn & the ball, therefore there was no one really watching the back-end of the play.
Regardless of officials technique, it's like SG said, hail mary in football, you'd have to spear someone to get a call.
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In the realm of idiot PC fans, there was a guy behind the PC bench who drew the ire of a bunch of students for his lewd actions toward the student section. I saw an empty water bottle fly his way at the end of the game ...
I spent the past week prepping myself for an 8-9 point disappointing loss. The first half drew me back in and I began to think we could win it. I knew I didn't like how things were going with the poor 2nd half defense but my reasoning for us winning at that point was that eventually something good must happen to URI, right? and again I left in crushing disappointment.
Every time I think we can win a big game, I'm left disappointed
1) Anytime a poster complains about the officiating, you sound like a baby. Enough of the whining. Good calls, bad calls, 50/50 calls. It's part of the game. Deal with it.
2) Not sure how anybody at this point is thinking NCAA for this URI team. They better find some quality non-conference wins and they're running out of chances. A good A-10 record may not be enough. Otherwise, fuhagedaboudit.
The PC loss was only #3 for the most disappointing home game this season thus far for me.
#1 American
EC's injury was the biggest disappointment of the season. Was upset knowing what it might mean for the season as he could be out for the year.
#2 Valpo
FT shooting alone decided a game we could have won. This game confirmed for me what I feared for the season (see #1 above)
#3 Providence
Last second basket decides it right after we tied it up. Tough way to lose but the team played hard and for the most part played well.
PC game was awesome for this year's team. No doubt in my mind. The team was put in a place where they couldn't think.
They had to just play. GO GO GO! Hassan showed up big along with many others.
Just Thompson's length and 7-11 ppg I think he will be worth here on out will be huge. Don't be surprised if Akele starts to have his moments too.
It is disappointing to lose again and also have 3 L's this early. But losing EC was something people wouldn't even dare to make up in a story.
URI tapped into the mindset it takes on offense to be good Saturday night. You have to know what you can do and then seize every moment you can to do it. They all learned that.
If Bentil had been called for the pushoff, it would have been overtime. I'm pretty sure we weren't even in the 1 and 1 yet, if you can believe that. So, no Jarvis foul shots.
ace wrote:I believe you lose the right to the moral high ground as a fandom when a relatively high profile Friars-related social media account mocks an opposing player's season ending injury.
Could you please elaborate more and cite the source.
RI_Bred wrote:Oh and by the way, the a$$hat PC fan sitting right behind me kept yelling "NBA on the floor!" and "Best player in the country" whenever Dunn scored. Captain Obvious - hey douchebag, EVERYONE KNOWS HE IS A NATIONAL PLAYER OF THE YEAR CANDIDATE ALREADY!
What was he yelling when Garrett abused him over and over when Dunn was playing defense?
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