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Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 9 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:I wonder how safe Tom Crean is at Indiana?
It doesn't get much bigger than a legendary program
like the Hoosiers.
Money or not, Bobby would be a fool to jump into a situation
are bad as Depaul.
New arena or not. He's got a better program in Buffalo, and should wait for
something higher than the NBE to open up.

The speculation about Indiana, IIRC, is that Crean is on the hot seat, but, that they wouldn't make a move unless they were sure they had someone better for the gig. Like to me, Howland was the best "free agent" coach available, and I'm not sure if he's a big enough upgrade to warrant ripping up Crean's contract. (He's owed a bunch of money.)

Re: Bobby and DePaul, I can kind of see both sides of it. The job hasn't been a really good one for several years now. But, it's a major conference job, and Buffalo is a program that way more similar to Wagner than URI, to make the obvious comparison to another Hurley's thought process. Ultimately, when Bobby decide to leave Buffalo, he's probably deciding between a safer, 4+ year contract with a mid-major, or a high-risk, high-reward major conference job for two or three years (before he's expected to deliver results). Even with his ties to the program and the power structure of college basketball, it's hard to believe that a true marquee program like Duke would hire him if he only has head coaching experience at a Buffalo-level school.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 9 years ago

BH should fine tune his craft and wait for Duke to open up.

Any other course of action IMHO is silly. With continued success where he is the job at Duke will be waiting for him.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

Negotiating 101

http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015 ... by-hurley/

Rhody74 · Unread post by **Rhody74** » 9 years ago

As a casual observer, I would think Bobby and St. John's would be a good fit ....

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 9 years ago

I think Howland's success dwarfs Tom Crean's. What 3 FF's at UCLA?

Pitt seems to be tapering off the path he set it on. Perhaps Jamie Dixon had a bump from his tenure and then a few lucky breaks?

At UCLA he did a lot of good things. The way the program broke down has been speculated it was that one player that was a bully of epic proportions. IDK his name, tattoos, big guy, crazzzy crazy stuff he did in the locker room.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

Howland also had Bill Walton campaigning to get rid of him,
on every broadcast he did.
I think what helped grease the skids on Howland at UCLA was,
guys like Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook, turning into NBA super stars,
when they were only so-so at UCLA.
Feeling was that he never got the most out of his players.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 9 years ago

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 9 years ago

true, Love was over weight. The kids name is Reeves Nelson, just read the article again. Crazy stuff to read about. Paints a picture of absolutley no control.

He urinated on Tyler Honeycutt's locker because Honeycutt was thought to have told of Reeve's party plan. Tons of other stuff.

Still outside of Dwayne Wade and the recent Indiana team that was top ranked that won nothing. Not much Crean accomplished that matches Howland.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 9 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:I think Howland's success dwarfs Tom Crean's. What 3 FF's at UCLA?

Pitt seems to be tapering off the path he set it on. Perhaps Jamie Dixon had a bump from his tenure and then a few lucky breaks?

At UCLA he did a lot of good things. The way the program broke down has been speculated it was that one player that was a bully of epic proportions. IDK his name, tattoos, big guy, crazzzy crazy stuff he did in the locker room.

But it's not like UCLA and Indiana have dissimilar expectations for their programs. (Whether their aspirations are realistic or not, well, that's another matter.)

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 9 years ago

Goodman is saying that Bobby has not signed an extension with Buffalo and still intends to interview at DePaul. Who do you believe?

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:Goodman is saying that Bobby has not signed an extension with Buffalo and still intends to interview at DePaul. Who do you believe?

I believe Bobby. I mean, Adam.

Extension offered but not accepted.

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 9 years ago

Jeff Goodman
Bobby Hurley has not signed deal to stay at Buffalo, sources told ESPN. As of this moment, source said he intends to interview with DePaul.

Yeah, okay…big deal. Do you think BH, Jr. is going to play hardball with his AD/Duke buddy who gave him the opportunity to become HC in the first place?
Don't think so. He'd probably just say, "Hey, thanks for everything you did for us. Give me a chance to match. Hey, if not, I get it. No hard feelings, and all the best."
I also don't think BH, Jr. would ever take the DePaul job. He's not ready to someone else's doormat.
Also, DePaul's best player is the son of the assistant coach. "What-t-F!!!! My old man's not gettin' the job. We're outta here….."
Sort of remind you of a past awkward scenario????

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 9 years ago

DePaul would offer at least $2 mill; with ZERO expectations. Make the NIT and they might erect a statue.

You have to take the interview.

In life, you are crazy if you dont listen.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 9 years ago

I don't think Bobby Hurley would go to Depaul. It is outside his comfort area (east coast) and is not all that attractive a job. I would think he can take his time and wait for a much better job opportunity.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 9 years ago

Risky Sean, if he fails badly because of lack of experience he could blow the automatic " replace the legend " gig at Duke....

Agree tho, take the interview for leverage...a few more $$$ from Buffalo won't hurt makes sense to squeeze them.

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 9 years ago

seanmc94 wrote:DePaul would offer at least $2 mill; with ZERO expectations. Make the NIT and they might erect a statue.

You have to take the interview.

In life, you are crazy if you dont listen.

YOU wrote that last line???????????

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 9 years ago

hrstrat57 wrote:Risky Sean, if he fails badly because of lack of experience he could blow the automatic " replace the legend " gig at Duke....

Agree tho, take the interview for leverage...a few more $$$ from Buffalo won't hurt makes sense to squeeze them.

I kind of take the "he's destined for Duke!" thing with a grain of salt. Mostly because who the hell knows when Coach K is going to give up that gig? If it's two to five years from now, sure, maybe Bobby is in a position to replace him. But if it's 10 years and he's as successful as everyone expects, who knows? Also, Coach K's coaching tree is so immense at this point, and that job is so attractive, they're going to have their pick of candidates whenever the time comes. Agents for Billy Donovan, Brad Stevens, Calipari, they're at least going to take that call, at the very least to see if they can wrangle something for their current situations with just the threat.

The other thing - While the DuPaul job is risky to take, it's also probably not a career killer if Bobby jumped from Buffalo to there. Meaning, if things don't go well after three or four years and he gets canned, I'm positive he can find another Buffalo-equivalent job if he wants it.

PlayMikeMotenMore · Unread post by **PlayMikeMotenMore** » 9 years ago

The DePaul job is awful. All coaches know that.

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 9 years ago

Yeah, well coaches past and present have been crossing paths with Ace again….

I love Philadelphia. It's a tough city. Even walking down the street I feel like someone's going to take a charge on me.
about an hour ago
FranFraschilla

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

RF1 wrote:I don't think Bobby Hurley would go to Depaul. It is outside his comfort area (east coast)...

To state the obvious, Bobby is not Dan, which I guess is good if you're a Rhode Island fan and would like your coach to stay.

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 9 years ago

BH still in the mix in Depaul....interviewing Saturday....and maybe on the list at Arizona State....per twitter

Smokinjimit · Unread post by **Smokinjimit** » 9 years ago

PC coach is not going anywhere. This is his dream job.

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 9 years ago

PER TWITTER:

Coach Cal thinking about DePaul job……

Howland thinking about what did he get into?

Capel thinking about more undeserved Big Bucks

100s of transfers thinking their former coaches don't know Jack!

Goodman still trying to figure out relationship to Savon….

Cooley waiting for a call…..from Jim

St. John's waiting for big donors to get rid of Lavin…

Lavin still waiting for magic to happen at St. John's -- or -- respectable character recruits….or big-time donors…

Greenberg still waiting for a Pearl-type Resurrection…..

RIRed still waiting for Battleship Kelly to trek up to Smith Hill…..

RodfromCranston still waiting for 5-Star Big Man for URI…..

Rhode_Island_Red · Unread post by **Rhode_Island_Red** » 9 years ago

What are we going to do without Captain Obvious Howland on television next season?

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 9 years ago

ace wrote:
RF1 wrote:I don't think Bobby Hurley would go to Depaul. It is outside his comfort area (east coast)...
To state the obvious, Bobby is not Dan, which I guess is good if you're a Rhode Island fan and would like your coach to stay.

Perhaps Bobby has other financial pressure which affects his assessment of available positions.

Dan's base is $300k and it didn't change with his extension. Bobby reportedly has double that awaiting his signature in buffalo.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 9 years ago

In related news, Dan earned a $5k bonus for selction to the NIT.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 9 years ago

ASU now that would be tempting....Tempe good spot.....and that fan base is just waiting to beat up on zona.....if you can coach there should be success waiting there.

That gig could pay monster $$$ too.

(I guess I just did a flip flop)

Rhody74 · Unread post by **Rhody74** » 9 years ago

Rhode_Island_Red wrote:What are we going to do without Captain Obvious Howland on television next season?

Enjoy watching the games more? (Unless they hire a similarly ill-equipped color commentator ...)

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 9 years ago

Ace makes a good point.

What if Bobby were our coach instead of Dan?

Dan seems like he wants to stay a while. Of course he hasn't built the program to where he [or we] wants it to be just yet.

Bobby's on the fast track to the big time. How much more can he do at Buffalo? Time to move on and move up, maybe a year ahead of schedule, but if the iron is hot, strike if you have the chance.

Who will ultimately have more success as a coach, Bobby or Dan? I have my thoughts on that, but for now I will put them aside and wait for more results to roll in.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

Bobby's basically where Dan was three years ago, with more attention and way less coaching experience.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 9 years ago

Who has the higher ceiling? Tough question. Too early to answer that?

I'm going to leave it to the experts, for now....

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

I certainly have my thoughts on that, but for now, I'll just say that's an unnecessary question and that I'm happy for them.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 9 years ago

RF1 wrote:I don't think Bobby Hurley would go to Depaul. It is outside his comfort area (east coast) and is not all that attractive a job. I would think he can take his time and wait for a much better job opportunity.

Well, Buffalo isn't exactly east coast. It's gotta be 6+ hours to any east coast city. These guys don't care where they go. Ben Howland is in freaking Starkville, MS right now. Show them A.) Money and B.) The resources to win and they will go just about anywhere. Buzz Williams took the first train to Blacksburg, VA. Depaul puts him in the Big East which would make it easier to recruit his old stomping grounds. That being said, he does have most of his rotation coming back. So, it's not like he is looking at his best run being now behind him.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 9 years ago

Well if Bobby goes the NBE route, safe to say Dan won't join him in that conference....

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

He signed his extension. He'll be there at least another year.
Who cares about the NBE, like it's the Holy Grail of conferences?
Bobby's horse farm had left him in serious financial difficulty.
He never declared bankruptcy, so that means he still owes plenty
of money to people.
This is no secret, but it may give you an idea that his and Dan's situations
are very different.
Oh, in important news, our Hurley family is looking to buy a house in RI.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 9 years ago

Certainly could explain why Bobby left URI so soon....chance to make much more money and be a head coach....no brainer

In other breaking news....Dan's here for a while.......

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

Bobby's still no fool. He could have gotten a big contract from
Depaul and ruined his future big job possibilities.
He's smart. He didn't.
Good for Bobby. He's still young and like Dan, is a work in progress.
And yes, I'm happy Dan and family will be putting down roots
here in RI.
I know that his renting set alarms off with some.
He had a simple explanation though, but three years have passed,
so this is great.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Steve Lavin and St. John's are in the midst of hammering out a three
year contract extension.
Seton Hall signed a big recruit.
Gee, what will the hate mongers on Scout come up with for Dan's newest job?
Dan to Bryant?

woodennickel1 · Unread post by **woodennickel1** » 9 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Bobby's still no fool. He could have gotten a big contract from
Depaul and ruined his future big job possibilities.
He's smart. He didn't.
Good for Bobby. He's still young and like Dan, is a work in progress.
And yes, I'm happy Dan and family will be putting down roots
here in RI.
I know that his renting set alarms off with some.
He had a simple explanation though, but three years have passed,
so this is great.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Steve Lavin and St. John's are in the midst of hammering out a three
year contract extension.
Seton Hall signed a big recruit.
Gee, what will the hate mongers on Scout come up with for Dan's newest job?
Dan to Bryant?

Zags and Goodman reporting he is still going on the interview with Depaul. He also has not signed the extension yet not that it matters the way things are done today.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 9 years ago

Wasn't it Steve Alford, the day after signing a long extension, bolted to another school [UCLA].

I don't think Bobby would do that, but nowadays, you can't rule anything out.

Can't blame Bobby if he wants to explore his options.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 9 years ago

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-bas ... job/258207

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 9 years ago

Coaches don't just go anywhere. Many of them are regional. The national coach going everywhere is the exception more than the rule. There's like 350 teams. Just cause a few come to mind doesn't mean they all are that way.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 9 years ago

We should prob listen to Ace, she is much closer than any of us....Dan and Bobby are brothers but not the same people. I dont see Dan as someone who is going to "just take any national profile job" - I would be surprised to see him leave the mid atlantic area if/when he leaves URI.

In terms of Bobby, to me it would all be about how he thinks his roster looks for next year. If he thinks he can put together another NCAA season then I would stay put if I were him. Odds are there will be much more appealing opportunities than Depaul, which is the worst job in a non P5 conference. I dont think he has peaked at 41 - 2 years into his profession, no need to try and cash out and take a huge risk. What are there, at least 60-70 better coaching opps than Depaul. Arizona State, thats another story...if they were really interested and I were him I def listen real hard.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 9 years ago

Yea ASU big money$$$!

They also got their football coach from Pitt(ACC) and old Herb S. from NC State(ACC). Not exactly the MAAC.

Bob obviously is a name. Albeit I would say a premature name.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 9 years ago

I agree with that SPG, that job is highly marketable. I would think regardless of name they will shoot higher than a guy with 2 years of head coaching experience.

woodennickel1 · Unread post by **woodennickel1** » 9 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Bobby's still no fool. He could have gotten a big contract from
Depaul and ruined his future big job possibilities.
He's smart. He didn't.
Good for Bobby. He's still young and like Dan, is a work in progress.
And yes, I'm happy Dan and family will be putting down roots
here in RI.
I know that his renting set alarms off with some.
He had a simple explanation though, but three years have passed,
so this is great.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Steve Lavin and St. John's are in the midst of hammering out a three
year contract extension.
Seton Hall signed a big recruit.
Gee, what will the hate mongers on Scout come up with for Dan's newest job?
Dan to Bryant?

Could not disagree more he has pretty much hit the ceiling at Buffalo.Depaul has some talent on their roster like Billy Garrett Jr just have to get them to play some D which Purnell could not do. He gets them in to the top five of the Big East which is not unrealistic with St Johns losing their whole team.PC could also lose Dunn and have to reestablish themselves. If he were to somehow get them to the tournament next year he would be able to name his price for just about any big job that comes along. The Depaul job is a plum job for someone who can coach that young talent up.

sf2010 · Unread post by **sf2010** » 9 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote: Oh, in important news, our Hurley family is looking to buy a house in RI.

This just means that when Cooley bolts PC for St. Johns when the Lavin contract falls through, DH is off to PC. Obviously.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 9 years ago

while I agree Bobby ends up as coach at Duke, i think he does it towards the end of his career (like Roy Williams at UNC). Establish yourself at a P5 school for a while, then take your dream job.

you never want to be the man who replaces the legend. you want to be the man who replace the man who replaces the legend

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

Da_Process_Survivor is 100% right.
Following a legend is a no win situation.

reckless jake · Unread post by **reckless jake** » 9 years ago

LMAO... it what basketball universe is DePaul a "plum" job? Omly through the prism of rose-colored NBE glasses. Tge DePaul job is a coaches boneyard.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 9 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Da_Process_Survivor is 100% right.
Following a legend is a no win situation.

Maybe. But, let's be honest for a second, Bobby would walk on broken glass down to Durham if he was offered that job. You don't turn that down. The other thing that we forget is that all these guys have egos. It's part of what makes them successful. They don't view DePaul as a graveyard or Duke as "following the legend". They see them as platforms to get better players than they are currently getting. And, by the way, probably way more money.

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