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theblueram wrote:
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You education was still subsidized by the state through tax breaks, book costs supplemented by the government, etc. Sorry to break it to you guy, the state had a hand in your success.
I mean, where did I ever say anything about the state supporting me? I made a volatile, leap assessment of the state welfare system. It's corrupt, and it is designed to keep people down and feeding on the teet of the state.

But hey, the Chairman of the State Finance Committee is up on prostitution charges. I mean, it's appropriate. These democrats have been pimping this state for decades.
About two comments up you said the public finances 0% of your education. Just want to let you know that is not true for the reasons cited above :)
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ramster wrote:We do not have a revenue raising problem
We have a spending problem with considerable corruption attributes
Such a mistaken talking point. Is there waste? Yes. Enough to make any meaningful difference in the budget? No. Are people so quick to forget about Carcieri's failed "big audit". We absolutely do have a revenue problem. It's because our median household income is much lower than that of our neighbors which puts us in the terrible position of not being able to compete with services. It's a catch-22.
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BleedBlue87 wrote:
ramster wrote:We do not have a revenue raising problem
We have a spending problem with considerable corruption attributes
Such a mistaken talking point. Is there waste? Yes. Enough to make any meaningful difference in the budget? No. Are people so quick to forget about Carcieri's failed "big audit". We absolutely do have a revenue problem. It's because our median household income is much lower than that of our neighbors which puts us in the terrible position of not being able to compete with services. It's a catch-22.
I was going to say the same thing. This is a bumper sticker platitude, which also happens to be factually false. There are spending issues, and those issues do include some entitlement spending in terms of funding pension state pensions. That is a fact. But there is not much you can do about those obligations because they are real obligations that the state made. A much bigger problem for the state is revenues, not just in terms of tax revenues received by the state but the GDP of the state and the incomes of the state's residents, which lag way behind most well-run states because of decades of mismanagement and shortsighted policies with respect to investment in our state economy - of which the perpetual underfunding of URI is prime example.
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TruePoint wrote:Traffic on 136/114 in Bristol is already horrendous. Putting a toll there would be a disaster for residents. Better off just raising taxes by a couple bucks to raise the same amount of money. Tolls on interstate highways are a different animal, but on local roads it is too cumbersome for drivers.
Putting a modern toll gantry at one end of the Mt. Hope bridge wouldn't affect traffic at all. Modern gantries just read RFID tags and license plates from above. Vehicle traffic proceeds normally.

Remember, modern tolls have no people, no cash, no slowing down/stopping. It's all electronic.
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TruePoint wrote:Traffic on 136/114 in Bristol is already horrendous. Putting a toll there would be a disaster for residents. Better off just raising taxes by a couple bucks to raise the same amount of money. Tolls on interstate highways are a different animal, but on local roads it is too cumbersome for drivers.
Putting a modern toll gantry at one end of the Mt. Hope bridge wouldn't affect traffic at all. Modern gantries just read RFID tags and license plates from above. Vehicle traffic proceeds normally.

Remember, modern tolls have no people, no cash, no slowing down/stopping. It's all electronic.
Could you have that system with only one lane? What do you do with out of state vehicles with no easy pass?
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ramster wrote:We do not have a revenue raising problem
We have a spending problem with considerable corruption attributes
Such a mistaken talking point. Is there waste? Yes. Enough to make any meaningful difference in the budget? No. Are people so quick to forget about Carcieri's failed "big audit". We absolutely do have a revenue problem. It's because our median household income is much lower than that of our neighbors which puts us in the terrible position of not being able to compete with services. It's a catch-22.
I was going to say the same thing. This is a bumper sticker platitude, which also happens to be factually false. There are spending issues, and those issues do include some entitlement spending in terms of funding pension state pensions. That is a fact. But there is not much you can do about those obligations because they are real obligations that the state made. A much bigger problem for the state is revenues, not just in terms of tax revenues received by the state but the GDP of the state and the incomes of the state's residents, which lag way behind most well-run states because of decades of mismanagement and shortsighted policies with respect to investment in our state economy - of which the perpetual underfunding of URI is prime example.
Corruption runs rampant just pick up the paper
Firemen and policeman claim disability and retire to Florida
Double and triple dipping with pensions
Unfriendly for industry drives companies out and does not invite in
Schillings $75 million corrupt joke that we are all paying for
High state income tax
Young, high potential, well educated don't let the door hit them on the way out
School unions with great benefits and pay to where you best know someone to get a job or go out of state
Disastrous DMV with again unqualified people who did not compete to get their jobs
Tiny towns with their own mayors, city councils, fire departments, police departments, school systems, public works departments ........there are counties in the US that have school systems and the like close to the size of this state - here we have all these public jobs and administrations and generous retirement and medical plans
Wonder whose relative will land the cushy toll director job

Tolls equate to peeing on a forest fire
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TruePoint wrote:
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TruePoint wrote:Traffic on 136/114 in Bristol is already horrendous. Putting a toll there would be a disaster for residents. Better off just raising taxes by a couple bucks to raise the same amount of money. Tolls on interstate highways are a different animal, but on local roads it is too cumbersome for drivers.
Putting a modern toll gantry at one end of the Mt. Hope bridge wouldn't affect traffic at all. Modern gantries just read RFID tags and license plates from above. Vehicle traffic proceeds normally.

Remember, modern tolls have no people, no cash, no slowing down/stopping. It's all electronic.
Could you have that system with only one lane? What do you do with out of state vehicles with no easy pass?
I bet this is a major misconception that many have in RI feeding their distaste for the Tolling program.

Modern toll gantries use EasyPass and when that isn't available license plate cameras. Out of state drivers would just get a bill in the mail monthly telling them the exact times their vehicles passed under the gantry.

The gantry erected for the new Sakonnet River Bridge is like this. People didn't like the idea of 10 CENT tolls.

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TruePoint wrote:
BleedBlue87 wrote:
ramster wrote:We do not have a revenue raising problem
We have a spending problem with considerable corruption attributes
Such a mistaken talking point. Is there waste? Yes. Enough to make any meaningful difference in the budget? No. Are people so quick to forget about Carcieri's failed "big audit". We absolutely do have a revenue problem. It's because our median household income is much lower than that of our neighbors which puts us in the terrible position of not being able to compete with services. It's a catch-22.
I was going to say the same thing. This is a bumper sticker platitude, which also happens to be factually false. There are spending issues, and those issues do include some entitlement spending in terms of funding pension state pensions. That is a fact. But there is not much you can do about those obligations because they are real obligations that the state made. A much bigger problem for the state is revenues, not just in terms of tax revenues received by the state but the GDP of the state and the incomes of the state's residents, which lag way behind most well-run states because of decades of mismanagement and shortsighted policies with respect to investment in our state economy - of which the perpetual underfunding of URI is prime example.
No, our revenues lag because half this state is on welfare. This state is a perfect example of the shitstorm socialism will bring.
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Your post is the perfect example of the shit storm that happens when people don't know what the word socialism means
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:Your post is the perfect example of the shit storm that happens when people don't know what the word socialism means
An EZPass on that one.....
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:Your post is the perfect example of the shit storm that happens when people don't know what the word socialism means
Seriously? let me give you the definition:

"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

If you believe in socialism, well then there is not much to help you. I'm a capitalist. So is this country. Maybe France suits you better.
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theblueram wrote:
RhowdyRam02 wrote:Your post is the perfect example of the shit storm that happens when people don't know what the word socialism means
Seriously? let me give you the definition:

"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

If you believe in socialism, well then there is not much to help you. I'm a capitalist. So is this country. Maybe France suits you better.
Since when has France owned the means of production? Maybe some of us support a social market economy sort of like Rhine capitalism instead of laissez-faire capitalism. You apparently can't tell the difference because the word tax automatically means socialism to you...
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I wish I had split out this thread days ago...

Every time I see it light up with a new post, I get disappointed that nobody's talking about modern tolling technology and the challenges of supporting road infrastructure as vehicles use less gas/diesel fuel.
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I have lived in a city and a state where the tolling is all done electronically. It is pretty seamless after the structures are up. They also sent bills in the mail because I have RI plate and did not have the EZ pass of the state.

Not a big deal. Can be a headache if that is a route you use everyday in terms of $$. This state also has express lanes that have prices that move according to demand.
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ATPTourFan wrote:I wish I had split out this thread days ago...

Every time I see it light up with a new post, I get disappointed that nobody's talking about modern tolling technology and the challenges of supporting road infrastructure as vehicles use less gas/diesel fuel.
That's a really good point. Not one that gets brought up often. I wonder how much of a per capita decrease in fuel consumption there has been? A quick Google search didn't reveal much information.
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BleedBlue87 wrote:
ATPTourFan wrote:I wish I had split out this thread days ago...

Every time I see it light up with a new post, I get disappointed that nobody's talking about modern tolling technology and the challenges of supporting road infrastructure as vehicles use less gas/diesel fuel.
That's a really good point. Not one that gets brought up often. I wonder how much of a per capita decrease in fuel consumption there has been? A quick Google search didn't reveal much information.
That is exactly the RI DOT's point and the point made by other states who have come to the conclusion that the federal gas tax is no longer sufficient to cover road/bridge maintenance. The federal gas tax is not a % of the price of fuel, but rather just a fixed number of PENNIES per gallon no matter what happens with gas prices or vehicle fuel economy. It's stupid, but our elected officials are stupid.

The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel
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You've got to read Patinkin's article on this morning's Projo on the grants to the ILSR. Basically a total boondoggle. Unbelievable. Maybe someone can post it. I'm starting to agree with the folks that are against the tolls, if this is the way our money gets spent. This grant thing is all going to get exposed. Should be interesting. PS: And this is what Projo needs to be doing to stay viable, IMO.
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Taxi Companies must pay taxes
Uber pays no taxes
Taxi Drivers in RI get fingerprinted, investigated by the FB! Deep background check
Fair? No way
Why doesn't the state tax Uber? Because they are so far behind in everything they do
Simple source of revenue and a fair source since you are putting taxi companies at a disadvantage
Government has been so slow on anything related with e commerce
So long companies did not charge sales tax
Huge disadvantage to businesses in brick and mortar buildings
Amazing the inefficiency of government never mind the corruption element
Now airports around the country are talking strongly about privatizing TSA because of their poor performance
Toll Gantries are just another government enterprise -
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There is no need for tolls. Kill the legislative gimme grants = $13mill. Install line item veto and get a governor with some balls, sorry Gina you ain't got balls (but Obama says you can still use the boys bathroom if you want) and guaranteed $100-$200 million a year will magically appear.
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There are actually several bills currently being heard that would tax Uber and Lyft. There has been some sort of regulatory bill introduced for at leas the three past years. Also taxi drivers do not get a fingerprint background check in the state of Rhode Island though they probably should. It is only a state background check. As for the legislative grants, it's so easy to say "yeah let's get rid of them" until parents see the price of their kid playing in little league triples in cost or the old vet who visits his friends at the legion walks up and sees the place closed. I would encourage you all to take a look at where most of the grant money is going. Sure, there are some bad decisions but a lot of these are good things:

http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/SiteAssets ... Grants.pdf
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BleedBlue87 wrote:There are actually several bills currently being heard that would tax Uber and Lyft. There has been some sort of regulatory bill introduced for at leas the three past years. Also taxi drivers do not get a fingerprint background check in the state of Rhode Island though they probably should. It is only a state background check. As for the legislative grants, it's so easy to say "yeah let's get rid of them" until parents see the price of their kid playing in little league triples in cost or the old vet who visits his friends at the legion walks up and sees the place closed. I would encourage you all to take a look at where most of the grant money is going. Sure, there are some bad decisions but a lot of these are good things:

http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/SiteAssets ... Grants.pdf
I was in an Airport Taxi last week. He definitely said he has to provide fingerprints. Plus FBI Background check
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ramster wrote:
BleedBlue87 wrote:There are actually several bills currently being heard that would tax Uber and Lyft. There has been some sort of regulatory bill introduced for at leas the three past years. Also taxi drivers do not get a fingerprint background check in the state of Rhode Island though they probably should. It is only a state background check. As for the legislative grants, it's so easy to say "yeah let's get rid of them" until parents see the price of their kid playing in little league triples in cost or the old vet who visits his friends at the legion walks up and sees the place closed. I would encourage you all to take a look at where most of the grant money is going. Sure, there are some bad decisions but a lot of these are good things:

http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/SiteAssets ... Grants.pdf
I was in an Airport Taxi last week. He definitely said he has to provide fingerprints. Plus FBI Background check
Individual companies are free to set higher standards for employment than what's required by law. Regarding Uber and Lyft, I'd prefer that they have equivalent regulations to what's required of taxis, BUT, their success should probably trigger a lowering of the threshold and regulations on taxis, which are pretty horrible in this state. Unless you're in Newport or Providence, it's almost impossible to find one, and the reviews on Yelp aren't great, especially for the Newport ones. - http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ta ... ewport,+RI
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Kudos to the PROJO for doing the story on this and also for the editorial comeback today.
This is why I do not like giving the State more money such as from ideas like Toll Gantries
RI has a spending problem, a corruption problem
When will the State implement the Line Item Veto to prevent giveaways like this?
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Not sure this is completely related, but...what the heck...dealt with a lady at the Westerly DMV office that might just be the rudest person I've ever had to deal with in public....what a _____
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Not sure this is completely related, but...what the heck...dealt with a lady at the Westerly DMV office that might just be the rudest person I've ever had to deal with in public....what a _____
Not surprising to me. What happened? I thought they had some kind of customer service improvement programs in place.
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ramster wrote:
NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Not sure this is completely related, but...what the heck...dealt with a lady at the Westerly DMV office that might just be the rudest person I've ever had to deal with in public....what a _____
Not surprising to me. What happened? I thought they had some kind of customer service improvement programs in place.
Omigosh...she was so rude it was funny. Whenever I need to go to the DMV, I take a half day off from work and schedule no other anything afterwards...just to eliminate as much stress as possible - they can make me wait, they can make me go get whatever...I got the time. I also fill out all of the paperwork (to the extent I can) ahead of time. I needed to (finally) get RI plates for the car my daughter had been using for school. So, the lady starts out demanding to know "what transaction are you trying to do?!?!" ...and I explain what I want to do, and she cuts me off and says "ok, you have to tell me what kind of transaction you want to do"...only this time, she's yelling at me - and I've been in front of hewr for about 10 seconds so far. So, I try to explain it again and she cuts me off and yells at me, "Just put 'new registration!" and rolls her eyes and shakes her head. Had all I could do to keep from laughing. Then she would ask for stuff, like she was expecting me not to have it...whatever. So, at the end, I wished her a "great rest of the day and a nice long weekend"...and she just stared through me without saying a word (at which time I did laugh a little).

It did make me wonder tho...I'm responsible for a call center vendor relationship...and a big part of their evaluation is based on customer satisfaction and net promoter scores (from customer surveys)...wish I could have done one for this 'lady.'
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Just read this thread for the first time.
Subject didn't interest me at all.
Poor people....after my investigative career ended,
I took a promotional exam and became a Case Worker for
what is now DHS. This was in the early 80's.
I had many preconceived notions about the people I'd
be seeing on a daily basis.
What I came to learn is, yes, there is a subculture of those who fully milk
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Some of them could teach a course in it.
The other group were people who had come into hard times and
needed help.
Some of these were people with mental illness. Some were physically limited.
Some were drug and alcohol abusers, who couldn't hold a job.
Some just were a victim of circumstance.
My co workers also ran the gamut of bleeding hearts to heartless.
Some absolutely hated their clients.
I always wondered how they could come to work every day,
despising those who came to them for help.
Easily understood was resentment for the scammers, but
frequently, these workers treated everyone as such.
It's good that our society chooses to help those in need.
The ones who have made it a lifestyle give those who
truly need help, a bad name.
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I was hoping there would be talk about modern toll gantry technology today... pfft

Time for some Highway Toll Porn...

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Get ya Sun passsssss. I hate my sun pass transponder.
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Who is going to maintain theses gantries?
So, next they will have to toll something else, to pay for the maintenance for the gantries.
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Maintain them? These aren't concrete/steel overpass bridges that crumble.
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OBRAM wrote:Who is going to maintain theses gantries?
So, next they will have to toll something else, to pay for the maintenance for the gantries.
Just raise the tolls higher - simple
Plus have to pay the pensions, benefits, disability, vacation pay for vacation that never gets taken "wink wink" plus the new department head, advertising, marketing, the Rhode Island way
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ATP - is this what I saw driving out of MA on the pike today?


http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/ind ... oll_1.html
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Yes modern toll gantry.
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I believe the Mass Pike was built using State of MA funds only, and not any Highway Trust Fund money?
MA pike used to be one the best maintained roads that I ever traveled, at least 20 years ago. It does not seem to be as well maintained today, but I have
not been on in 4 years.
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I know NH's toll roads were in great shape as of a couple of years ago.
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Just paid tolls all the way to Syracuse and back, about $20. Roads are better than RI but that's not really saying much is it?
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OBRAM wrote: 8 years ago It will cost $43 million to put up the 14 toll gantries in RI. That's half the price of Studio 38, 1/5 the price of State buying and fixing over the Dunk, but it seems just like another white elephant as the other two.
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I heard this on one of the talk radios this week.
The reason RI can put up tolls on highways funded mostly by Federal money is that the Fed allows tolls on bridges.
The RI tolls are including highway overpasses as bridges, for me a stretch.

Is this true?
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Tolls were ordered shut down from a Wednesday ruling:
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Re: Toll Gantries

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Until the ORT gantries are gone I’m not believing this is over…

Otoh state could make money selling to a state looking to upgrade to ORT
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Re: Toll Gantries

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Wow! 6 years ago. Man I was pretty politically charged back then. Now I'm just looking for a good place to retire. But I was right in the end.
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Re: Toll Gantries

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Locking this one, since it was posted before the ban of non-URI related political and budget talk.
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