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...backed by science or not...climate change will always be top-shelf joke fodder...if for no other reason than...way more people get totally wigged out about it than are willing to actually do anything about it.

When the climate changers all start sitting around under candle light in their houses and only walk, ride bikes and take public transportation to work...maybe they'll convince some people?
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Climate change discussion is important, but there are even more important issues going on in the short term.

Trump is assembling a rogue's gallery for an administration, the likes of which this country has never seen.....

When even Glenn Beck is warning about a guy like Bannon, you know the shit is about to hit the fan.....
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Jack Reed is certainly no jackass.
I've known him since we stood next to each other watching
JFK go by our school, another lifetime ago.
He's a straight shooter and a very smart guy.
A person of principle.
West Point, Harvard Law.
Army Ranger. Army middleweight boxing champion.
He's one Democrat I'll always vote for.
When my daughter was having a problem pregnancy,
I went to Jack Reed to try to get my then son-in-law
an extended leave from his deployment in Iraq.
Jack took it all the way to the top Commanding General
in Iraq. I still have the General's letter.
Jack Reed will always have my admiration and respect.
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Unread postby TruePoint » 5 months ago

Love Jack Reed. One of the true good guys and one of the few serious people left in Washington.

There is nothing funny about climate science. The problem is that people don't take it seriously enough. Nobody is telling people they have to ride bikes everywhere they go, but people should take care to conserve energy where they reasonably can. More importantly, we should demand that industrial polluters are held strictly to account. If we ruin this planet we aren't getting all of earth's creatures to the next one. It's an actual legitimate threat to our long term existence as a species. Only nuclear proliferation presents a similarly serious threat.
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I think we should be restricted to bikes, I hate road kill!!!! Have you ever noticed how many of God's beautiful mammalian creatures are splattered all over road ways? It's the most heartbreaking part of every day for me.

Also, with regards to the climate issue, I couldn't agree more that we have, have, have to hold industry to account. I'm not sure how many folks actually realize how it works with what they are calling 'carbon credits.' In most industrialized countries, essentially large companies that pollute at a high rate can buy 'carbon credits' from smaller companies for the right to continue their polluting ways. So the big boys get to crank up the heat, while carbon taxes on private homes are being considered in many places around the world. That's great, the folks that block the way for clean energy research and advancement get to drain the blood from the earth and pour carbon emissions into her lungs and we just keep paying their bills!
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I remember the Wampanoag Trail after it rained.
Always so many poor animals of all types, killed.
They seem to lose their bearings when it rains, plus drivers
can't see them.
They just don;t stand a chance against a car.
Saw a beautiful does on Rt.2. Sad.
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Unread postby ATPTourFan » 5 months ago

Just had 5 deer cross South Rd in front of me, one by one, this morning.

Ahhh. This is much more pleasant discourse than politics!
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On my drive from Hilton Head all the way up to my in-laws in upstate New York last Friday, I think I saw a total of about 30 deer. During the day, unfortunately they were all recently departed - probably about a half dozen on the sides of the interstate. Up in Pennsylvania just north of Gettysburg, after dark, we took a long corner on the interstate alone and about midway through I saw a massive buck approaching the road. I broke hard and swerved to the other side of the road to avoid it - luckily it never entered the road. I exclaimed to my wife as we went by "almost bagged me a ten pointer!" (I have never hunted, but many of her family and friends out in the sticks in upstate NY do, so the irony there should have amused her much more than it actually did.)

Winding through rural Pennsylvania and New York, I saw many many more deer than I did other cars. I saw them by the herd on the sides of the state highway. Luckily none tried to cross in front of me, but after 11 hours of driving it forced me to be much more vigilant than I felt like being. I am not a hunter and it seems a little savage to me to kill for sport, but seeing all the deer out there I understand it more. They are basically overrun.

When we lived down a dead end in Bonnet while I was at URI, we had a family of deer that lived behind our house. We used to leave leftovers out for them in the winter, and they came right up to the deck and ate it. I'm sure an animal person will tell me a reason why we shouldn't have done that, but it was my junior year and I was drunk the whole time so hopefully it wasn't too bad of a thing to do.
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Maybe we should have a Story Time thread? I like stories too.
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Unread postby rodfromcranston » 5 months ago

Geez, I may need help.
I'm starting to like TP.
Guess people can find common ground if they look for it.
I've found myself agreeing with people I never would have, before.
Also softening my viewpoint on many things.
I'd never imagined some of this could be possible.
Maybe, as I'm in my twilight years, I'm seeing things and feeling differently
about the world around me?
Guess it's never too late to change, eh?
I may even post on Rhody basketball again, one of these days.
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Unread postby ATPTourFan » 5 months ago

Rod, come back to the basketball light. Enough of this politics.
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Unread postby rodfromcranston » 5 months ago

My life since the summer of 2015 has been politics.
Working for Marco Rubio in several states.
Different than the years of working in campaigns as a hired gun.
Rubio was someone who inspired a vision of the future.
They asked me to go to Florida and work on his Senate
campaign.
Too many obligations to cut out for Florida. One of our women
went there for four months
Doing my #NeverTrump thing after Marco dropped out.
Anyway, I'm starting to come out of the political fog.
I gave up my season tickets, for a few reasons.
Yesterday was the first time I saw us play.
So different for me, than every year since I was a kid,
counting the days until basketball season began.
I'll be making my way back to Rhody ball soon.
It's just not my religion now as it always was.
Maybe that too, will change.
We're like the Cubs. Close a few times over the years, but frustration in the end.
Let's see where this year leads us.
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Unread postby Billyboy78 » 5 months ago

Totally agree. We need Rod back in the basketball threads!
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rfc..i keep looking over at your seat from last year and you're not there...it doesn't seem right...
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Unread postby TruePoint » 5 months ago

Rod - you're just starting to like me now?!

Definitely agree we miss you on the basketball side. Hope you get the bug for it back sooner than later.
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Unread postby rambone 78 » 5 months ago

We miss Rod for sure.....

Back to politics, it looks more and more like trump is totally lost........this transition could be a massive train wreck.....people I know are taking bets on how long he will last in office...my guess is not long, several months at most......of course the alternative isn't pretty either... President Pence? Ugh.

Obama by now is warning about trump's lack of any knowledge of the responsibilities of the position.....if his ties to Russia are proven to be true, which looks likely, just how serious they are could result in his impeachment.....
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Unread postby NYGFan_Section208 » 5 months ago

Let's pump the brakes and chillax for a week or two...doubtful one person is going to bring the country to ruin...last guy couldn't do it in 8 years, doubt this guy can do it in 'months'. lol.....More cowbell!!!!
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Pence won't release his emails. Oh, the irony.
Also, a requirement of being in the cabinet is
releasing tax returns. Oh, the irony!
Hitler was one man, too.
I don't see checks and balances on Mr. Know Nothing.
I would, however, love to see Mitt Romney as Secretary of State,
A dignified, good man, who knows the world.
Beats the hell out of Giuliani and Ramsey Bolton's uncle John.
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Who cares if Jack Reed was a soldier. So was I . His job is to pass laws that help RI. His approval of EPA protectionism against the fishing industry has severely impacted this state. I'm not talking about him personally. I've had interactions with the man. Nice guy, very intelligent. But he certainly isn't fighting for the best interest of the citizens of this state. And the other senator is just a flat out loon.
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Rod, Romney would be an excellent choice imo also.....just hope if he gets the job, that he's not hamstrung by trump and others......

They need someone with an extensive knowledge of foreign policy, because as of right now, they have no idea what they're doing.....
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Remember how the media trashed him when he said Russia was our number one global enemy?
So many things he said have come to pass since 2012.
Media painted him as a rich, soulless, stiff.
I know LDS people who could tell a very different story,
about a warm, generous, good man.
He was Bishop in the Belmont Ward, where was involved in
everyday people's lives for years.
A story that was never told, partially because Romney didn't
want to spotlight his personal life.
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I think Romney would be a good choice...if he ever felt hamstrung, I think he'd walk away and not be afraid to say why...
Strange because that would be a great quality there, but might also be a reason for him not being chosen?
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Trump is too stupid to consider Romney. Wait. What? He's considering Romney. Romney must be a xenophobe, or a racist. :roll:
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theblueram wrote:Trump is too stupid to consider Romney. Wait. What? He's considering Romney. Romney must be a xenophobe, or a racist. :roll:



Hello?!? Everyone that doesn't condemn him as the devil incarnate has to be one or the other... right?
Actually, that's not completely true, some are just homophobes or misogynists... :P
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The Trump Team.

A true Murderer's Row of misfits........
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rambone 78 wrote:The Trump Team.

A true Murderer's Row of misfits........


Said the Yankmes fan? (Just josh'n ya, RB ;) )
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Hey, we're both Giants fans.........just win the next one.......
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theblueram wrote:Trump is too stupid to consider Romney. Wait. What? He's considering Romney. Romney must be a xenophobe, or a racist. :roll:

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.
A stopped watch is right twice a day.
You get the idea.
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theblueram wrote:Who cares if Jack Reed was a soldier. So was I . His job is to pass laws that help RI. His approval of EPA protectionism against the fishing industry has severely impacted this state. I'm not talking about him personally. I've had interactions with the man. Nice guy, very intelligent. But he certainly isn't fighting for the best interest of the citizens of this state. And the other senator is just a flat out loon.


True. His job as a senator definitely requires him to prioritize one industry in his home state over conservation of a global resource.
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rambone 78 wrote:The Trump Team.

A true Murderer's Row of misfits........


Good one rambone. I referred to them as "the '27 Yankees of terrible human beings" on facebook earlier this week. I like where your head is at.
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Who knew that fishing was such a vital industry in RI?
Guess Jack is falling down on the job.
He only got, what? 84% of the vote last time he ran.
Being an Army Ranger and a paratrooper isn't like being a
regular enlistee.
This from his bio:
"Following graduation, he spent several years in active duty military service. Reed earned the Ranger Tab and was a paratrooper. He served as a paratrooper in the 2nd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division where he was a Platoon Leader, Company Commander and Battalion Staff Officer."
Do agree, Sheldon Outhouse is a dink. Like listening to
Sylvester The Cat give a mindless speech.
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Sheldon Nuthouse and the [ex gov] Missing Linc.....what a team........RI has their own cross to bear.......speaking of misfits...or nitwits

They aren't dangerous like the gang taking over in Washington.....just incompetent nincompoops.....
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Loved thug Buddy referring to him as Weldon Shitehouse. That's entertainment.
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Actually, fishing was once an actual industry in RI.
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Ah Buddy....the least popular mayor of Providence....said no one ever......
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RR, actually there aren't any fish left to catch......at least what is caught isn't radioactive like off the west coast.....
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theblueram wrote:Who cares if Jack Reed was a soldier. So was I . His job is to pass laws that help RI. His approval of EPA protectionism against the fishing industry has severely impacted this state. I'm not talking about him personally. I've had interactions with the man. Nice guy, very intelligent. But he certainly isn't fighting for the best interest of the citizens of this state. And the other senator is just a flat out loon.


You need to learn more about the history of the fishing industry. The protections are put in place to prevent over fishing so that these fisherman actually have fish to catch in the future. Without the licensing which restricts how much fish can be caught the population would be decimated and there would be zero jobs in the fishing industry. The goal here is to look at the long-term health of the industry not the short-sighted seasonal profit.

Just so you know there are some people, myself included, who think the best way to deal with climate change is not necessarily to alter behavior but to invest heavily in projects that can capture carbon on a mass scale and move towards renewables. I watched a PBS special awhile back of a gentleman who is designing what looks like fake trees that can capture carbon at decent rate. Problem is with the storage I guess. So no, I don't think everyone needs to ride bikes but I do think we should invest heavily in electric cars and such.
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So...if they're going to collect carbon...and store it...it seems that compressing it/keeping it contained for storage is what's needed. Won't the person or group that does that the best...be making....diamonds? :lol:

The electric car conversation is an interesting one...the GHG's emitted by building one are (or at least 'were' when this article was written) more for than regular cars. Also, the in-use emission of GHG seems to be highly dependent on local electricity infrastructure in the region where the car is used. While the idea of electric cars sounds great...seems that in some areas, they're actually responsible for more GHG than ICEV's...Seems like (to me) investment in the efficiency of the electric grid - at least in some areas - needs to precede that?

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http://berc.berkeley.edu/is-the-electri ... vironment/
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I agree. Investment in the efficiency of the electrical grid would be a great start. But... using Blueram's logic, we should make no investment in electrical grid efficiency until each of us decreases our personal carbon footprint.
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If life gives you carbon, make diamonds...and life will be all... like, "whaaaat?"
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Here's some interesting facts about the fishing industry for you:

Over 90% of the seafood consumed in the U.S. is imported from other countries around the world. This number continues to rise in order to meet consumer demand.The leading foreign suppliers of seafood products to the U.S. in 2014 were China, Canada, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia and Chile. About two thirds of the edible seafood imported into the U.S. came from these six countries.

I'm guessing the rest of the Ocean abutting countries aren't limiting catches on the fishing supply. Just the dumbasses in DC. I bet the Canadians love our restrictions. More fish for them.
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TruePoint wrote:
theblueram wrote:Who cares if Jack Reed was a soldier. So was I . His job is to pass laws that help RI. His approval of EPA protectionism against the fishing industry has severely impacted this state. I'm not talking about him personally. I've had interactions with the man. Nice guy, very intelligent. But he certainly isn't fighting for the best interest of the citizens of this state. And the other senator is just a flat out loon.


True. His job as a senator definitely requires him to prioritize one industry in his home state over conservation of a global resource.


I'm glad you agree. Now can someone tell him what his job is so he knows he works for the people of the state of RI and nothing else. Lest he thinks he has a bigger job than that. Which he doesn't.
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OK, so now we are getting somewhere. If you're just straight up saying that you believe that the immediate short-term interests of a niche industry that impacts only a very small number of people should take priority over the interests of not just the other 8 billion people on the planet but all the countless billions of people who will inherit this planet from us, then you're just wrong. Sometimes political differences are such that you can just agree to disagree based on competing legitimate priorities or philosophies, but in this case you're just objectively wrong. I think your fundamental misunderstanding about Senator Reed's (and all other government officials') responsibilities is the source of your anger about a great many things.

A few people's job doesn't override the interests of society as a whole. That goes not just for fishermen, but coal miners, ivory traders, gas and oil companies, and any other industry that is subject to regulation because of the deleterious effects of that industry on our planet or any of its occupants.

If protecting society's best interests make it harder for someone to earn a living in a given field, that person needs to live with less income or find another line of work.
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Pretty sure TP had tongue firmly in cheek on what you quoted from him.
Reed is a UNITED STATES SENATOR, not a city or town ward healer.
Senators are involved with national issues far beyond local minutia.
He's on the Senate Armed Services Committee as Ranking Member, Committee on Appropriations, and
Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs.
He also turned down becoming Secretary of Defense TWICE,
Just slacking on his job.
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Did anyone say PORK?
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Unread postby theblueram » 5 months ago

I know he did Rod. But if people think Jack Reed, Senator from Rhode Island, should make policy on the world then some are getting heady in their perceived power. Which is the problem with government.
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rodfromcranston wrote:Did anyone say PORK?



LOL! Rod...that is just brutal...brutal on the eyes, that is!
Man, I (and probably many others) so wish I could "un-see" that...
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theblueram wrote:I know he did Rod. But if people think Jack Reed, Senator from Rhode Island, should make policy on the world then some are getting heady in their perceived power. Which is the problem with government.


As was stated by someone else earlier, the biggest problem government could possibly present is a "tragedy of the commons" situation where everyone was only interested in the short-term needs of their own small constituency without anyone keeping their eyes on the big picture. Jack Reed is in Washington to represent Rhode Islanders, but Rhode Islanders are allowed to be concerned with the big picture, too. By acting in the best interests of the planet, he IS representing the best interests of Rhode Islanders. I am not a Rhode Islander anymore, but I want my Senators to be focused on bigger problems than some niche industry in Massachusetts that has global consequences. I'm not upset with my Senators for not bringing the whaling industry back to try to save New Bedford, for example.
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