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Oooh! No Infowars? No Breitbart? No National Enquirer?
Come on!
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When we were arguing about the Danesh D'Souza "documentary" about Hillary Clinton in this thread 6 months or so ago, it should have been the canary in the coal mine for how primed certain types of people were to swallow any bullshit they were told as long as the people telling them were far enough outside the mainstream and the bullshit was sufficiently insane. Fast forward half a year and we have a president-elect who was carried to victory by people who believe nothing they read in the New York Times but everything they read on facebook, up to and including that Hillary Clinton was involved in a child sex ring operated out of a hipster pizza restaurant in DC.

I always felt like you could fool a lot of people with biased and subtly untruthful stories because I felt most people were just not that bright and too lazy to challenge and verify what they read or hear. But it turns out that I was greatly overestimating the intelligence of half the country, who are no longer requiring the things they believe to even be plausibly true on a basic level. It's one thing to be susceptible to specious nonsense because you're just not very bright, but it's an entirely different thing to believe "fake news" that seemingly isn't even trying to appear compatible with common sense. I would call that entirely different thing "active ignorance" but I'm open to suggestions.
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Unread postby rodfromcranston » 5 months ago

Well said, TP.
I think every day about what the country elected (or who had the most electoral votes).
and I just can't believe the utter stupidity of it.
We're already seeing clear indications of where this ego maniac will take this nation.
As Jack Reed questioned, are tRUMP's motives and goals
compatible with our nation's goals?
I think we know those answers to that question.
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Agree with you 100% TP. It just further highlights how dangerous group think and cognitive bias can be. The dissonance I've seen since this election is like nothing before. Some prominent examples I've seen so far:

Trump went after Obama for not attending all his intelligence briefings; Trump supporters go wild about it. It's now reported that Trump doesn't attend nearly two-thirds; Trump supporters say it is ok because Trump is smart (apparently the Harvard educated lawyer was not).

Trump rails against Hillary for her ties to Wall Street, specifically Goldman Sachs who he says "bled this country dry."; Trump supporters repeat that line time and time again. President-elect Trump announces two Goldman Sachs CEOs as cabinet members; Trump supporters go along happily.

Trump goes on and on during the campaign about Crooked Hillary, how she is a bad person and should be indicted. President-elect Trump announces no investigation of the Clintons and that they are "good people." Trump supporters proclaim that Trump has more important things to do.

Yes Trump supporters. This is how stupid you all look.
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Unread postby The Dude » 5 months ago

The election of Trump is so similar to how Hitler rose to power in so many ways. It's extremely concerning. It's also not a comparison I throw around lightly.

Both rose to power promising better times for the working man and being supported by national socialists and struggling working people who felt betrayed by their politicians.

Both used their platform/publicity to not only place blame, but to degrade and discredit certain people in government and in society. In Germany it was the German government and Jews. In the USA it was government (corrupt politicians), Muslims, immigrants, and the media.

Hitler denounced communism and social democracy, while eventually becoming a totalitarian fascist dictator (which is far worse). Trump spent his campaign denouncing political corruption and the millionaires/billionaires and lobbyists, while vowing to go to work for the average working class American, but now his appointees are either millionaires/billionaires or former lobbyists.

Even today Trump continues to use his Twitter account as a platform/bat-signal for his mindless minions to do his bidding when it comes to various people and institutions who oppose him.
Trump's attempt to discredit the media was, in my opinion, his attempt to lay the ground work for building a movement full of people that will be willing to hang on his every word and follow him blindly...similar to how Hitler built his movement.
I mean, Trump even went as far to have people raise their hands and pledge their allegiance to him at one of his rallies.

Trump is in a position to influence the U.S. in a way we have not yet seen in our lifetimes. There is a Republican controlled congress. He will be appointing at least one...and possibly one or two more supreme court justices during his tenure as President (they are getting really old). His appointees are full of the kind of people who have bought the politicians of this country and whom are responsible for why congress can't and won't do right by it's citizens. Economic policy, ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY (Clean air & clean water), and much more is going to shift in a dangerous direction.
It would not surprise me in the least if Trump tries to expand his powers as President, much like Hitler tried to do as Chancellor in Germany.

The most frightening thing isn't Trump himself, but the complacency and general apathy of millions of people who don't seem to be taking his threat, to our very livelihoods, serious enough.

This brief video, which is not my source of information for my comparison, actually describes Hitler's rise to power pretty well. There are many similarities.
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Unread postby spookydog » 5 months ago

The Daily Show could do one of these bits every day & I wouldn't tire of it.

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Dude is right on the money with his post.
Spookydog's Daily Show piece, clearly shows the ignorance of
tRUMP supporters.
Oh, Donny boy, you didn't "win big".
You lost the popular vote by a record amount for
anyone winning the electoral vote.
You do not have a mandate.
Do continue with rallies and tweets, watching TV,
meeting celebrities, and athletes.
All things which stroke your massive ego, but do
absolutely zero towards learning the job you were
sort of elected to perform.
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rambone 78 wrote:Rod, we have to hope it's only for 4 years.....what worries me is that the voter manipulation issues that we saw in this election could be magnified multiple times over by then....Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and their gang don't want to give up power.....and of course trump doesn't either....this could be the tip of the iceberg.....

Fair and free elections are at stake...the very core of our democracy......if that is compromised, than we truly are fucked......


We need to hope the Democrats take control of Congress in two years and can beat back some of Trump's worst policies. Can they do that with the massive amount of pro-Republican gerrymandering in so many states?
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Problem with turning the Senate is, the ones up for
2018 are mostly in solid red states.
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Unread postby theblueram » 5 months ago

I wouldn't trust California for deciding a presidential election. And would you want California to dictate who runs this country? Run the popular vote numbers for this election and exclude Cal. I would bet that Trump won. Then ask yourself why this might be.
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I'd prefer California to Texas.
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Fine. But if you live in San Diego, don't dry your clothes outside. Because they will be gone in the morning.
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theblueram wrote:Fine. But if you live in San Diego, don't dry your clothes outside. Because they will be gone in the morning.


Have you lived in San Diego?
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most certainly have. 1985. Seems not much has changed. San Ysidro is well, you know.
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theblueram wrote:most certainly have. 1985. Seems not much has changed. San Ysidro is well, you know.


So you are basing your opinion of all of California on one border town of 28,000 people from 1985? Sounds about right.
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adam914 wrote:
theblueram wrote:Fine. But if you live in San Diego, don't dry your clothes outside. Because they will be gone in the morning.


Have you lived in San Diego?


Have you followed theblueram on here?
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RhowdyRam02 wrote:
adam914 wrote:
theblueram wrote:Fine. But if you live in San Diego, don't dry your clothes outside. Because they will be gone in the morning.


Have you lived in San Diego?


Have you followed theblueram on here?


Ha, unfortunately yes.
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San Francisco is nice as well. Kate Steinly would agree.
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theblueram wrote:San Francisco is nice as well. Kate Steinly would agree.


Haha, you're a special kind of stupid.
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I belong to a majority of people (minus the state of California) who agree with me. So go chow down on some Alberto's, have a nice surf in La Jolla and let the "stupid" people run this country.
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theblueram wrote:I belong to a majority of people (minus the state of California) who agree with me. So go chow down on some Alberto's, have a nice surf in La Jolla and let the "stupid" people run this country.


So if thats how it works, then do I get to pick some states that just don't count to? How about people in other states, does everyone pick a state to remove from the equation?
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It just highlights the disconnect the state of California has against the rest of the United States. That's all. The rest of the United States unanimously elected Trump.
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Oh, and just a thought. If abortion is legal in every state, then the death penalty should also be legal in every state. just sayin.
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theblueram wrote:Oh, and just a thought. If abortion is legal in every state, then the death penalty should also be legal in every state. just sayin.


Oh this sounds like fun, let me try one! If driving is legal in every state, then murder should be legal in every state. just sayin.
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theblueram wrote:unanimously


I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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and why has no one ever in a murder trial said in their defense I aborted that person? Might work. What's the difference?
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The earliest born baby was born at 21 weeks. To date. The baby is doing fine and is now a human being. Maybe you are fine with killing a baby but I am not.
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theblueram wrote:I belong to a majority of people (minus the state of California) who agree with me. So go chow down on some Alberto's, have a nice surf in La Jolla and let the "stupid" people run this country.


I would like to see the "stupid" people try to run this country only with revenues from red states and let the blue states use our tax revenue how we want. California, who you want to dismiss or annex, produces by far the biggest share of our GDP and our federal tax revenue, which funds everything the government does. In fact, five blue states (California, New York, New Jersey, Mass, and Illinois) account for nearly 40% of our country's revenues. I wish we could just go off on our own - Red State America is a third world country without us. They shouldn't even get a say in who runs the country. Deadbeat, inbred, half witted rednecks.
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TruePoint wrote:
theblueram wrote:I belong to a majority of people (minus the state of California) who agree with me. So go chow down on some Alberto's, have a nice surf in La Jolla and let the "stupid" people run this country.


I would like to see the "stupid" people try to run this country only with revenues from red states and let the blue states use our tax revenue how we want. California, who you want to dismiss or annex, produces by far the biggest share of our GDP and our federal tax revenue, which funds everything the government does. In fact, five blue states (California, New York, New Jersey, Mass, and Illinois) account for nearly 40% of our country's revenues. I wish we could just go off on our own - Red State America is a third world country without us. They shouldn't even get a say in who runs the country. Deadbeat, inbred, half witted rednecks.


Looks like you can drop the "maybe" and the rest of that signature line - kind of a farce at this point. Not sure that even qualifies for "civil"....
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Looks like you can drop the "maybe" and the rest of that signature line - kind of a farce at this point. Not sure that even qualifies for "civil"....


Hey, I mean if somebody is going to infer that California is just a bunch of abortion loving illegals that murder people I guess gloves are kind of off at that point right?
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TruePoint wrote:
theblueram wrote:I belong to a majority of people (minus the state of California) who agree with me. So go chow down on some Alberto's, have a nice surf in La Jolla and let the "stupid" people run this country.


I would like to see the "stupid" people try to run this country only with revenues from red states and let the blue states use our tax revenue how we want. California, who you want to dismiss or annex, produces by far the biggest share of our GDP and our federal tax revenue, which funds everything the government does. In fact, five blue states (California, New York, New Jersey, Mass, and Illinois) account for nearly 40% of our country's revenues. I wish we could just go off on our own - Red State America is a third world country without us. They shouldn't even get a say in who runs the country. Deadbeat, inbred, half witted rednecks.


Exactly. The people in the red states complain about the size of government but ignore the fact that they're the reason the government is so big. If they could pay their own bills the government would be the size they prefer.
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Truth is an absolute defense to slander.

I will be kind and gentle to people who deserve it. I'm going to try not to insult anyone about basketball things, because basketball is just a game. Politics isn't a game. People's lives are on the line, so kindness and gentleness have to take a backseat to speaking the truth.
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adam914 wrote:
NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Looks like you can drop the "maybe" and the rest of that signature line - kind of a farce at this point. Not sure that even qualifies for "civil"....


Hey, I mean if somebody is going to infer that California is just a bunch of abortion loving illegals that murder people I guess gloves are kind of off at that point right?


I spose...if it's a contest to see who can piss off and disparage the most people at once...sure....
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TruePoint wrote:
theblueram wrote:I belong to a majority of people (minus the state of California) who agree with me. So go chow down on some Alberto's, have a nice surf in La Jolla and let the "stupid" people run this country.


I would like to see the "stupid" people try to run this country only with revenues from red states and let the blue states use our tax revenue how we want. California, who you want to dismiss or annex, produces by far the biggest share of our GDP and our federal tax revenue, which funds everything the government does. In fact, five blue states (California, New York, New Jersey, Mass, and Illinois) account for nearly 40% of our country's revenues. I wish we could just go off on our own - Red State America is a third world country without us. They shouldn't even get a say in who runs the country. Deadbeat, inbred, half witted rednecks.


You are going to get your chance.

I would prefer no tax. Not sure about you. The government is a farce. Along with the dem backed unions. The only solution they have to the education malaise in this country is "We need more money". Why, so you can increase the salary of the dolt teachers who don't give a crap about the students? You think that will make kids smarter? So you rail against Charter Schools. And Voucher Programs. Why? Simply because of unions. It is laughable. Along comes Charter Schools, who excel at what they do. The first thing dem govt's do is try and stifle success. Why? Because the money moves from union schools to non union schools. Don't try and lecture me. California has a great GDP. Most of the companies products are produced overseas. So they are profitable. We shall see how profitable they are once the tax on foreign imports are implemented.
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adam914 wrote:
theblueram wrote:Oh, and just a thought. If abortion is legal in every state, then the death penalty should also be legal in every state. just sayin.


Oh this sounds like fun, let me try one! If driving is legal in every state, then murder should be legal in every state. just sayin.


Murder is legal in every state. Abortion is murder. Hopefully soon to change with the next SCOTUS.
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Talk about a video....up close and personal......
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theblueram wrote:
TruePoint wrote:
theblueram wrote:I belong to a majority of people (minus the state of California) who agree with me. So go chow down on some Alberto's, have a nice surf in La Jolla and let the "stupid" people run this country.


I would like to see the "stupid" people try to run this country only with revenues from red states and let the blue states use our tax revenue how we want. California, who you want to dismiss or annex, produces by far the biggest share of our GDP and our federal tax revenue, which funds everything the government does. In fact, five blue states (California, New York, New Jersey, Mass, and Illinois) account for nearly 40% of our country's revenues. I wish we could just go off on our own - Red State America is a third world country without us. They shouldn't even get a say in who runs the country. Deadbeat, inbred, half witted rednecks.


You are going to get your chance.

I would prefer no tax. Not sure about you. The government is a farce. Along with the dem backed unions. The only solution they have to the education malaise in this country is "We need more money". Why, so you can increase the salary of the dolt teachers who don't give a crap about the students? You think that will make kids smarter? So you rail against Charter Schools. And Voucher Programs. Why? Simply because of unions. It is laughable. Along comes Charter Schools, who excel at what they do. The first thing dem govt's do is try and stifle success. Why? Because the money moves from union schools to non union schools. Don't try and lecture me. California has a great GDP. Most of the companies products are produced overseas. So they are profitable. We shall see how profitable they are once the tax on foreign imports are implemented.


Blueram, you literally didn't address anything TruePoint said. Your understanding of California's economic system is just straight up wrong. The economy is pretty diverse with a relatively decent amount of exports. The fact is, you economic vision produces nothing but a third-world hellhole.
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Wonderful. A major crisis looming with amateur orange moron taking over
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It's "Trump's fault that this happened in the first place"...I mean...it has to be, right?
It can't be that he walks into a bad situation that started under someone else...that just can't be...if it's something bad...he musta done it.
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NYGFan_Section208 wrote:It's "Trump's fault that this happened in the first place"...I mean...it has to be, right?
It can't be that he walks into a bad situation that started under someone else...that just can't be...if it's something bad...he musta done it.


What are you even talking about?
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BleedBlue87 wrote:
NYGFan_Section208 wrote:It's "Trump's fault that this happened in the first place"...I mean...it has to be, right?
It can't be that he walks into a bad situation that started under someone else...that just can't be...if it's something bad...he musta done it.


What are you even talking about?


The major crisis looming...
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Re: Let's Talk Politics - Election 2016

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Nobody is blaming Trump for the looming crisis. It's just that we are soon going to be relying on the judgment and steadfastness of the most unprepared, unqualified, inequipped and feeble minded person in recorded human history to take a position of such immense responsibility. And that is terrifying.
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Re: Let's Talk Politics - Election 2016

Unread postby rodfromcranston » 5 months ago

Not to mention, that he doesn't value anyone's opinion, except
Ivanka and Kellyanne Conway.
What they know about foreign affairs could echo in a thimble.
He's surrounded by retired Generals, who won't moderate hawkishness.
Bad situation, all around.
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Re: Let's Talk Politics - Election 2016

Unread postby BleedBlue87 » 5 months ago

"Donald Trump's sons behind nonprofit selling access to president-elect"

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/12 ... 21f59256af

I expect that Blueram and NYGFan_Section208 will be just as outraged over this corrupt organization as they were towards the Clinton Foundation... There is no way these two articulate Trump supporters would have a double-standard...right?
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Re: Let's Talk Politics - Election 2016

Unread postby NYGFan_Section208 » 5 months ago

BleedBlue87 wrote:"Donald Trump's sons behind nonprofit selling access to president-elect"

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/12 ... 21f59256af

I expect that Blueram and NYGFan_Section208 will be just as outraged over this corrupt organization as they were towards the Clinton Foundation... There is no way these two articulate Trump supporters would have a double-standard...right?


Whoa...wait a sec there...I am NOT an articulate guy...

Update, 4:18 p.m. Tuesday, Dec. 20:Trump's transition team emailed a statement from spokeswoman Hope Hicks. It reads: "The Opening Day event and details that have been reported are merely initial concepts that have not been approved or pursued by the Trump family. Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump are avid outdoorsmen and supporters of conservation efforts, which align with the goals of this event, however they are not involved in any capacity."
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Re: Let's Talk Politics - Election 2016

Unread postby theblueram » 5 months ago

TruePoint wrote:Nobody is blaming Trump for the looming crisis. It's just that we are soon going to be relying on the judgment and steadfastness of the most unprepared, unqualified, inequipped and feeble minded person in recorded human history to take a position of such immense responsibility. And that is terrifying.


Wait a second. So a community activist, freshman senator gets elected with a "Hope and Change" platform and he is the next savior, who accomplished really nothing that can't be deleted with a signature is uniquely qualified to be President and a lifelong business man who has run a multibillion dollar company isn't? Keep making up the lies. I love how he has his team asking the State Department how much they spent on International global warming or environmental endeavors. He is going to rip the the pork out of the spend. Oh, and it's interesting that the Littoral ships, which are a disaster, have upped the cost to just $2 million below the congressional mandate of $480 million per ship when the initial cost was less than half that. You think Trump doesn't see that? Hell, I could. Tell you what, I feel pretty good having a business man in the office.Especially one who will live tweet a Go F yourself to a senator, congressman, governor who is wasting our money.
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Re: Let's Talk Politics - Election 2016

Unread postby TruePoint » 5 months ago

If Obama's IQ is lower than 140 I will eat my computer.

If Trump's IQ is higher than 75 I will eat my computer.

Obama was a constitutional law professor, the EIC of the Harvard Law Review (about as high of an achievement and honor as there is in academia, for the uninitiated), a state Senator and a U.S. Senator. And yes, a community organizer - which means that when he left HLS and could have had literally any job in the legal profession he wanted - clerked for a SCOTUS justice, worked at the most prestigious firm on a fast track to partner and making more money he could ever spend, or become a US attorney in any office he wanted - he chose to go help poor people try to make their lives better by fighting against the powerful interests that opposed them. I don't know why stupid people think calling him a community organizer is sick burn; it actually makes him a goddamn hero.

On the other hand, Donald Trump - who claims to be a billionaire but could never find an independent auditor to support that claim - inherited a business from his millionaire father and drove that business into the ground numerous times, along with dozens of other businesses. He is an actual complete failure as a business person. What he has succeeded wildly at is being an unscrupulous con man who has sold his brand as a billionaire to dumb Americans that find his particular brand of uncouthness endearing. I don't find that to be a particularly compelling resume for a president. Not to mention that, even if he were a real business person like Mitt Romney, a country is not a fucking business, no matter how many blood suckers tell you it is.
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Re: Let's Talk Politics - Election 2016

Unread postby theblueram » 5 months ago

Did Trump go to an Ivy League school? Like Obama? Right. Maybe there are different requirements. I don't know.Maybe Penn only accepts idiots. Trump with an MBA from Wharton could have gone on to any number of jobs. Goldman Sachs, SEC, Treasury Department, etc.He chose to run his own business. So he got seed capital from HIS OWN FAMILY. Where did Obama get his money from? Trump is still living in a what? $100 million dollar penthouse in New York? Guess he didn't destroy the business. Just opened a huge hotel in DC. So any way, that contract, that was signed for the Littoral ships at $200 + million? You can guarantee going forward they are going to deliver those ships at that price or they are going to eat the cost. Or we will go to the next bidder to make the ships.
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